June Ne w^sMter
Volume 4
June Meeting Wednesday 29th
Issue 6
^ The CEBBS meets monthly at the Beavercreek Library, 3618 Dayton-Xenia Road A short business meetin^^ is
t ollo^^ed by a prepared program of general interest of Commodore 64/128 users. At it's conclusion, membe/s may
enjoy various services, such as the Public Domain Sof f^^^are Library. Visitors are aH-^ays velcomft and
membership is open to the general public. All Commodore Systems are supported. Come join us for a fun
experience. Doors open at 6:30 pm on meeting nights. Membership Dues are $12.00 per vear. Come Join Us^
President John Feigleson Vice President PMlLongo Treasurer Michael Dornbusch
Senior Board Member Vacant junior Board Member Fred Middleton
The meeting wf^s called to order at 7:30 pm. Old
business T/as the prices T/ere increased on the software
that was demonstrated the month before. There were
handouts from CMD. and an article from the newspaper
that was discused and handed out. There will be no more
request for help in the library. There will be a survev
about the commercial library for the final time. New '
T>usiness discused was phils wife's trip to England.
Seems that the first magazine stand she visiTed had seven
magazines on the Amiga. She contacted a local users
group on the base she visited. Seems Germany has
produced their years last run on the 64. Maybe they will
improve the next. The CD32 (Amiga 1200) seems to be
making a big hit. Commodore has been sold lock, stock,
and barrel. There will be (planning) a CD32
demonstration at the August meetitiig. Doti't miss it! John
will be out of the hospital soon. Gary Ganger will be the
guest speaker at Mays meeting. Meeting closed at 8:46
pm.
The Mexi Meeiing
The next meeting will be held on July 25.. 1994 at 7:00
pm ¥ednesday at the Beavercreek Library, located at
3618 Dayton-Xenia Road. Commodore 64/128's are always
present. If you are having problems, want help with,' or
just want to see software demo's, please stop in and see
us. Guest are always welcome. ¥e support the 64, 128,
Amiga, and limited MS-Dos machines. There is BBS
support for 64/128, Amiga, MS-Dos on "Die Schwarse Eatse
BBS". Home of the "Eight-Bit Boosters"
MeSehw^MfzeKMi^eBBS
This BBS serves the members of the CEBB as well as
the general public. ¥e are running two BBS for the
Commodore 64/128, and one for the Amiga, and MS-Dos
machines. These are there for your enjoyment and
use. ¥e are in the process of upgrading all three of
the bbs's so please bear with us. Newer Software and
games are comming. If you need help getting started
in the world of telecommunication please feel free to
attend one of our meetings. There we have Public
Domain terminal programs for all machines. There
'^'ill be someone there to assist you in selecting, and
using a terminal program. The contact number for
the bbs is 237-0268.
Please tafce a moment to remember a
Charter Member of tlie "Eight-Bit
Boosters" Mr. Paul Peters, May 15 and his
Wife Theresa, June 4. Yon will be missed
by us all!
Meeting starts at 7 PH
Of ficers Reports
Old Business
Me^ Business
Close Meeting
GiTe-a ways/Surprise Demo
Welcome Back
¥e (I) VDUld like to -Felcome back., and out of the
hospital John our president. ¥e sure missed you at
the meetings, (and I am sure tired of filling the
editors posilion) and hope you get back in the s^ang
of things, (next ne-^'-s letter)
Time Omi
¥e are at the peak of summer (21 June) and I know
you have a million things to do. Its time to have a
little break from the yai^d work., and enjoy some time
doing a little R and R. Come to a cool evening of fun
and relaxation at your club meeting.
Spam fyr Rent
Yes we still have membership spi^ces for rent.
They are still priced cheap for $12.00 per year. See
your Eight-Bit Boosters treasurer.
By Phil Loss^o
Si/// W^/i/iig
I told ya at the last meeting and newsletter that my
writes trip to the U. K. "T/'ould get us some contacts -^''ith
people (users groups) and commercial sof t'?;''are and
hardware sources. ¥ell, I ain't got anything yet Got
fingers and toes crossed.
¥e have new letters from other users groups to pass
around at the meetings as well as hand outs from
previous meetings of demos., info, sources of software,
and how to stuff and dos cheat sheets.
W^&slefiP
At the end of the meeting last month, I went to give
the hand out of door prises and "Phuuth you was gone".
So, only one was given out to Pat Collins and thereTwere
no C128 users left. I am offering a C128 (c.p.u.) dust cover
at the next meeting for any of you interested, (you
must be a member "in good standing).
A hearty thank you to Gary Ganger for coming to
our meeting on such short notice. Gary gave a
historical account of CPU's and their evolution in
computers with humorous origin data. He has worked
on computers from the time of their scientific
implementation and is a S.I.G. officer of D.M.A. (Dayton
Micro Computer Association)
{fr&m Mays Meeting}
This meeting, we intend to do a real quick review of
last meetings CPU history and finish up with the CPU
formats and do buss arc. for those who wish to
participate.
Hardware for you Upgr aders
Turn back the clock to fast forward because
"Uuestronix's" a 64 package V.3 will let all your C64
software run on the Amiga. This package comes with a
small box (to connect your C64 drives and such) to the
Amiga, software and a 104 page manual. It is "GEOS"
compatable and will emulate the C64 even with a R.ETT
(ram^ expansion unit) from 128E to 2Megs of memory.
The A64 tool conversion utility will transfer and make
this setup worth the price alone if vou have anv stuff
m files in 64/12&ycPM formats. Other features include a
utility convert program to go from C64 into fast 68000
machine-language monitor. To check price and
availability, check with Merical Computers or get on
benie or Internet at Questronix @ genie, geis. com.
Where d/dM//ihe M&miors GeP
Ref : Sunday morning, 30 May 94, The Haven Show,
hosted by Joy Philbin, 1-800-521-HOME (4663).
An interior decorator segment used a computer (off
screen) to arrange furniture and then color it to
coordinate the decor. It was fishy at first, then a full
view of the monitor was shown. It was a 1702
Commodore monitor! It must be assumed that it was
setup for use from the rear panel and someone out
there is buying up these monitors and adapting the
input from this undisclosed computer sources. I guess
this shows how boaring my Sunday mornings are.
Ah?
No more details other than Commodore, U. S. only, has
sold off all liquid assets, plus as far as inventory land
office furniture. Only about 5 people left in PA.'
Same as last month, but stronger that Nu-Tek, a
unnamed movie studio in California and Samsung are
in cahoots to make a offer for, at least, the technology
if not for the whole of Commodore International.
Samsung is being the principal player for the group,
but as of late, the bid was not accepted. This might
indicate another player (big guy) going for it! "
W/io/?M Thunhi
I, like many of you, had thought that the C. E. S.
(Consumer Electronics Show) or ComDex (the computer
only industry show, U. S.) was the largest on this planet.
I found out I was very mistaken. The "CeBit", in
Germany, is by far the largest or larger than those
earlier mentioned. Facts: It has 1.2 million people over 8
days; 3733 exhibitors from 52 nations; they have their
own train station, internal bus service; 25 halls some
being the sise of 2-3 football fields and multi-storv plus
ya can't get a hotel room for a 50 mile radius. You
guessed it, I got CeBit 94 report from the Commodore
slant up n^iit
CeBki994
Commodore is alive and very well in Germanv. Sales
figures in this region alone of the A4000 was 1*^^.000 and
for the A1200 was 115,000. The new MPEG module for the
CD32 took off big with 30 movies and more than 1.000
karaoke titles. CD32 was not as successful as hoped but
still managed to actually sell, not lust stock, 25.000 units
More on the CD32 later in this news letter.
Germany v^^ just now saying farewell to production
of the C64 even though the demand is still there. The 64
itself is still making money, but the 5.25 in. format disk
drive is just too expensive to produce and cost more than
the C64 itself, (nothing new about that here) So, they
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The following items are for sale or tra^3e as
indicated. You may call and make offers on
the items listed here, (o) is make offer.
Tandy Model DWP-210 printer (o) 236-5528
Vic-1515 printer (o) 236-5528
Commodore 64/128, 1571, 80 Column monitor
Okidata 120 printer, games, software, |oy
stick (275.00) 236-5%l
C-64, 1541, Okidata 120 printer (no monitor)
($130.00 or offer) 2784136
Okidata UA83a wide carriage for the IBM
($70.00 or offer) 236-5528
C-64. 1541, 1701 color monitor joystick,
software ($120 00 or offer) 356-2330
Slanted Geopublisli manual or geopublisli
that isn't working with manual 236-5528
lor help in the following areas contact after
>pm evenings the following:
BBS Michael Dorn1>usch 236-5528
Library Phil Longo 237-8768
Software Fre^J Middleton 252-9624
Jeos John Eeigleson (at saeetings)
aard^are Fred Middleton 252-9624
Repair Michael Dornbiasch 236-5528
Mews letter John Eeigleson or Michael
Oornbiisch at the meetings. Yon can Yolnnteer
rour time answ^ering questions by subiaitting
four name to the editor.
A£?i?&i iMsMew^s/eiier
About this ne^s^sletter. This neirsletter i?as
produced on a Commodore 64/128D using Ceo"s
fieopaint, a 1581 drive, an REU and a 9 pin dot
Imatrix printer. It ^as produced by the
^treasurer from his notes and input from the
iTice President. The errors and misspelling iras
put there by the treasurer for your
^entertainment. There vill be a pop quiz at the
meeting on the number of errors!
M!?resp&iiseMlkti&/
There has been no response to the letter that
yas sent to '¥eird Stuff Inc." They are located
in Sunnyvale Ca. and are supposed to have all
types of software at lo^ prices. I sent them a
letter requesting -srhat they have for the
Commodore 64/128 machines. According to Gary
Ganger they have sof frare for all machines.
¥hen and if I receive the information, I
;^ill distribute copies at the meeting. As usual
if you kno^ w^here to obtain any sof tirare
harevare support please jot it do^n and see
mat ^e get it. It will be published right here
m the ne'w^s letter for everyone.
Our than&s goes out to Gary Ganger, irho
^as the guest speaker at the May meeting. I
found it quite interesting and Gary I hope
you have all that stuff irritten do^n for
historical records. It w^ould prove to be
interesting reading. Bravo Gary!
Sw^Mp TMMe
Yes folks the s^s-ap table is still active in
the club meetings. I guess most people have
cleaned out the closets. The table will ali^ays
be there for swap or for sale items. You can
list them in the letter or bring them to the
meetings.
There is going to be a surprise demo this
month by John. I talked to him and he said
that he was working on it. Being you the
users out there never request demo's, we are
running out of ideas. ¥e need your input!
Ariiehs for Mew^s Mier
If you have a favorite software program,
hardware item, or just want to chew the fat
so to speak, you can submit your legible
notes to the editor for print. Heeded items are
software reviews. You can check out
programs that are in the library for review.
It is large and there are many there buried
that w&^4 to be sorted out, reviewed and with
a good programmer modified for more
flexibility. Mot every program has it all.
You get a program and modify it to suit your
needs. There are some good ones in there so
lets dust them off. Get your review in print.
Computerfest i9Hi
¥e have applied to the DMA (Dayton
Microcomputer Association) for three tables
this year. Last year we obtained three and
it was a lot of fun. The main purpose for
this is to introduce the Eight-Bit Boosters to
the general public. There was a lot of
surprised people that thought that the
Commodore groups had dissolved. That is by
far not true. There are a lot of potential
members out there that need real support.
This is one of the ways to get the word
out. It also serves the purpose to the
membership, where they can get rid of the
excess equipment, software, and other stuff
that they found in the closet. As the time
grows nearer you will hear more about the
event. Its a show that is worth seeing from
the other side of the table, (usually I am
manning the table at the event)
('cona'j-m^-^ffwm previous psg-e;}
claim that 1994 vill end production of the C64 equipment
1981-1994.. R. I. P. .. 13 production years?
Commodore shoved their confidence in the CD32 at
the sho7/ by going head to head vith Sega CD and MS-DOS
/486-50 vith CD Rom. all running "Microcosm"
resulting in the CD32 veil in front of the MS-DOS/CD
machine and leaving the Sega CD in the dust.
The rumors of an A5000 and AAA chip set said to be
possible shov stoppers maybe at the Autumn ¥. 0. C.
(¥orld of Commodore) shov in Cologne. Germany and or
at the European ¥. 0. A. (¥orld of Amiga) show in
¥embley, England 18-20 Nov. 94.
Ah?&iiheCD32
If you come to the meeting in August., you -^dll get to
see a machine that can do great video and audio,
games, photo CD's, audio CD's and up to 74 min. films/
moYies. Plus, you can later expand it to be a full Uzwm
Amiga 1200 by adding a keyboard, I/O interface and
external drive. Then, other stuff ^all hook right up
from there on, like printers, modems, and all the me^^a
sof t^^are that runs on kickstart 2.0 up. , along with an
AG A video chip set and 2 meg of memorv. over 120 CD
titles available and hookup to about any video displav
on this planet plus Hi-Fi Stereo. You got to see this and
ask your self, Tall commodore, or ^'-ho ever takes them
over, ever market this stuff? For nov, check it out, and
hang on.
Note: They have been selling in Europe for 2 vears and
1 year in Canada. At C. E. S., a very lov key intro •^•-as
done. I love this thing, I sure v/ish they v/ould set off
their asses. You can do it all or just a little and it v/ill
nov break the bank anyis-ay ya go. For all the details,
see ya at the meeting.
Ok you hardT'-are freaks, ya wmut to compare ra^'-
video povz-er ^sdth your neighbor, here goes:
Present level at the store, not in a book is the A4000T
at 25 meg hs. 68040 C. P. TJ. comes vith 6 megs of ram
expandable to 16 megs on the mother board^'but up to 2
gig bytes of ram in the ram slot that is directly
addressable, 5 ea Zorro 11 or III card-slots, tv^'o video^ots.
three PC/AT slots, and a 200 pin processor slot. A built in
IDE and 16 bit SCSI-2 controllers (12 devices) both PAL
and NTSC standard video support built-in wth Dos 3.1..
kickstart 40.70 and the usual 3 1/2" built-in disk drive
?/ith basic 880k ^i: 2 meg format compatible. Standard
video chip set to support only, 1,600 x 1,300 pixels vhen
hooked up to a 14-17 in. monitor. Hi-Fi stereo is
standard.
Nov/ for the basic software package "¥B" buys:
A 500+ meg hard drive, clip makerT genlock, the
communicator, C. A. V. E. (computer aided video editing),
DR-3150 personal animation recorder card, AD-3000
realtime video capture card (typically betveen 3-5
min.) and the video toaster II to do direct NTCS standard
tv production or 35 mil. film standard at 30 frames per
second wixl'i real time dump. Nothing on the planet even
comes close for 5 times the monev.
The give a-^^ays this month are:
Grand prise Issue 119 of Loadstar disk (2) four sides.
(donated by "Loadstar")
Second Prise C128 dust cover
Third Prise Erasable ink pens (ball point)
Fourth Prise Magasine
Die Hard Magasine had a Commodore survey in their
.joaagasine. A space for names and addresses ^--ere left
out and there, ^^ere no responses. If you send a post
>oard addressed as listed belov/ you v/ill be entered for a
free subscription dra-^dng. These entries must be dated
xm or before 31 August 1994. (Post Marked)
On one side: Your name and address.
On the other side address as f ollo-^-'s:
Die Hard _
Subscription Drawing
P. 0. Box 392
Boise.. ID.
83702-0392
This should get you entered into the drav/ing. If
not you i:dll surely get on their mailing list.
Ye have made every effort to mail the ne'^s'-sletters
to members and other clubs. Please take the time to
TBYiew your address and if it is not correct, please
call us, mail us a card, or let us kno*^'' at one of the
meetings. This includes the last four digits in the Zip
Code. If you don't kno"F it please check ^'ith your post
office or check your other mail. Soon you will have
to start using them or the mail vill not be delivered to
your box. (treasurer)
(Treasurer)
¥e are going to try for a trial period to mail the
ne^'sletters in envelopes. Seems that some of the
membership is receiving them torn, black ink -Fhere
they jammed the machine, late delivery, or not at all.
¥e are paying first class postage and receiving
second class service. ¥e therefore v/ill mail the
tieis'-sletters out at least 5 days before meetings.
Please note the date that you received your
ne^'sletter in the mail. ¥e need this information to
better serve you by mailing the letters on time.
Report any errors, or delays to the editor, or treasurer.
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