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SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS GROUP
PACE- -CONTENTS
3. Something For Everyone by Don Rhodes
3. The Conquering of the 4P by Gerald McKee
4. Model 4 Keyboards from Octug
4. Treasurer's report
5. Jammed Joel b> Editor
6. Do You Need More Room from LSI JOURNAL
8. 64K Chip Mystery Deciphered by Bernie Thompson
9. File Copy Programs by Chris Debracy from CSRA COMPUTER SOCIETY
NEWSLETTER
10. MAIL
SBUG meetings are held in the Cupertino library at 10400 Torre Ave.
Time: 7:15 - 9:30 PM
June 17, July 16, August 19.
7:30 to 8:00 will be for new members and to resolve questions asked by the nonexperts
amongst us. Led or followed by the editor as the case may be.
The unasumming editor will speak on PRONTO. PRONTO is Model 4's answer to
SIDEKICK. ERIC BREWER will speak on bulletin boards in July.
LOOKK>JOWBGAR0EZ!::Owti»j to ike loaaof oae Dyaaa ■■«fcnh— . w* are still ttytog
to fevltoHae Ike SIGS. Specifically , we wish to tone ■ saodrJ 100 giwsp. • CP/M group.
and • bBXK snap. CadtoJ ytmr brethren araaad yam sad **do yoor thing to get these
MEMBERSHIP
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MEMORIES", then send $18 (check or moneyorder) to the following address;
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MUST HAVE PRIOR WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE EDITOR.
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JUNE, I96S
YOUR STEERING COMMITTEE
SBUG-80
MEMBER USERNAME PHONE
Discussion Leader:
Wright Huntley (HUNTLEY)
Treasurer
Don Rhodes (DON)
Secretary
Lnc Brewer (BREWER)
Newsletter Editor
Joel Lee (EDITOR)
Librarians:
(disc) Bernle Thompson (BERNIE)
(tape) Gary Dixon (GDLXON)
(docs) Pete Fratus (FRATUS)
SBUG-80 Sy top:
Robert Byrd (SYSOP)
OTHER KEY INDIVIDUALS
Cover Arust:
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Host Computer:
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If the need anaes, feel free to give any one of us a cell.
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THE EDITOR'S BYTES AND BITES
Recently, the membership of the club shrank dramatically. The tendency of course
is lo believe thai this reflects Tandy's shrinking share of the market. It's logical to
believe that, but apparently, not correct. In perusing the newsletters from other users'
groups, I find that they too have shrunk-- and they are not all clubs limited to a specific
group of machines.
What is the reason, then? Some of our members drifted into computers from CB
radio. Ten years ago CB radio had a huge group of enthusiasts. Now It has receded into
the background, as It were. The hobbyists are still extant, but not nearly as numerous.
Computers are a little different. More and more people work with computers, own
computers, but many of the new users are as likely to Join a user's club, as they are to
join the Flat Earth Society. To them, computers are necesary, useful, invaluable, (as the
Individual case may be), but not Interesting in and of themselves, end in some cases,
mildly to thorougly disliked.
Our membership Is once more on the Increase, partly owing to the bargain cost of
the Model 4 P. Stick a double -sided drive in a 4P, and you've got yourself quite a
machine. (See my article In this issue)
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SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS CROUP
SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE
by Don Rhodes
Name Ext Sire Date Description
CAPITAL
PC
4608
05 -03 -84
-README-
DOC
512
05-03-84
WHATS
NEW
8960
03 -23 -85
RBBS-PC
DQC
119808
03-23-85
RBBS-PC
EXE
107392
03-23-85
NO MNP
RBBS-PC
BAS
49408
03-23-85
BBSF1LES
LBR
38144
03-23-85
ETC...
CONFIG
EXE
105472
03-19-85
REQUIRED
FUSRI24A
BAS
2816
03-19-85
VER.
UTILITY
OBJ
122
05 -03 -64
BDRIVEC2
OBJ
1664
03-23-85
PC-NET
OBJ
256
03-23-85
F1X4A-01
DOC
768
03-23-85
FIX4A-01
MRG
1024
03-23-85
ANSIEDT
LQR
41216
04-28-85
COLOR
CO LOR 2
TXT
3968
04-28-85
EXPLAINED
FILECOMP
BAS
1408
03-23-85
WATCHDOG
DOC
2460
03-23-85
WATCHDOG
COM
384
03-23-85
WATCHDGI
COM
384
03-23-85
BBS
BAT
256
03-19-85
DOS
STARTUP
BAT
1664
07 -28 -84
SECUREI2
DOC
2304
05-03-84
SECURE! 2
BAS
6605
05 -03 -84
FILES
CALLSTAT
EXE
24704
11-26-64
COMPAQ2D
MRG
256
11-13-84
DESK PRO
C0MPAQ2D
DOC
1560
03-19-85
VADIC
MRG
640
03-23-15
ACCURATE BUT IDEAS)
GOOD SOURCE OF FREES/WARL
A HELP
NEW FEATURES - READ WARNING !
I2.4AI VERSION DOC (SQUEEZED)
I2.4AI COMPILED BBSSOFTWARE-
12.4AI BBS IN BASICA
MENUS, HELP FILES, WELCOMES,
CONFIGURE OPTIONS VER 1.5 -
FIXES USERS FILE FROM PRE-I2.4A1
NEEDED IF LINKING BASIC VERSION
DOC FOR FIX4A-0I.MRG
MUST BE APPLIED TO VER 4A.BAS
COLOR GRAPHICS EDITOR FOR BBS
COMMUNICATIONS COLOR CODES
MERGE UTILITY SEE RBBS DOC
DOC
READ DOC
GIVES SYSOP REMOTE ACCESS TO
AID FOR STARTING BBS
CREATES PASSWORD FILES
PROGRAM TO CREATE PASSWORD
GIVES STATS ON RBBS ACTIVITY
RUN RBBS-PC ON COMPAQ OR
DOC FILE (UPDATED 3-19-85)
RBBS ON VADIC MODEM(NOT
EDITOR'S NOTE: The following should be softly chanted while "BLUES IN THE NIGHT"
plays in the background. A solo sax version would perhaps be best.
THE CONQUERING OF THE 4P
by Gerald Mc Kee
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JUNE
Yes. Bobby, the Model 4P CAN run NEV. DOS80! The funky way one has to start
up the Model 4P can cause some grief, but nothing like the frustration I experienced,
when ALL other D06s ran on the new 4P, except NEWDOS80! After soliciting help from
most every quarter, I managed to flger It out mysef!
Turns, out the big difference between Model 4Ps is the same general difference
between most Computers (beside price and brand name).
The one 1 brought home would NOT run a NEWDOS80 System disk, however, Jim
Mngr's Model 4P ran It Just fine! Initially, I thought I had • bad ROM Image disk, so Jim
helped me do a N"EW backup. (Didn't think to try running It on MY 4P at HIS PLACE!)
Nest 1 took It to Bob Byrd's house to show off. As one would expect of this sly
computer, It showed off. It still wouldn't work, not for me, not for anybody. Donkeys are
more reasonable. I was ready to give up! I'd already worked with SBUG s resident
GURUs (Uemie Thompson end Pete Fratus)l
Next, I headed for Radio Shack Bescom Avenue. I tried my stuff on their demo
and it didn't work there elthert Spoke to Kevin, the sales person who has helped me in
the past, explaining the problem. He suggested we try It on another Demo machine
(which I hadn't seen sitting on the next stack of boxes). When I tried that one, my
system disk came up (showing the Banner), but went Into a loop trying to finish the boot-
up!
The light dawned' I went to the nearest Model IV, did a backup of my system
disk, using 'TSK-2'. The Impasse was broken, the sun was In the heavens, the lark was on
the wing, the proletariat was eating caviar. The NEWDOS80 came right up, and worked
just fine. The reason It had failed on MY 4P was the speed of head settling on those
drives! I brought MY set in, to check it out. Just In case.
|| worked just fine, but I exchanged it ANYWAY, on the chance that a demo
might have had more chance to bum -in. Better grab one of these bargains while they are
hot!
MODEL 4 KEYBOARDS A BUMMER
(from OCTUG, Orange County TRS-80 User's Group via MICRO INFO EXCHANGE of
the CABKILLO COMPUTER SOCIETY.)
The newest Model 4 keyboards have keys that can't be replaced or repaired. If one
key go«2. bad, the whole keyboard must be replaced. Computers can be ordered with the
old keyboard featuring the old arrow layout, or the keyboard can be replaced with a new,
old type for $60.00
South Bay TRS User's Group
Financial Statement
Period ending April 30, 1905
Month of Cumulative % Budgeted
April Year-To-Date used 1984-1985
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SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS GROUP
Cash Receipts
Dues SBug
36.00
1,125.00
62
1,800.00
SBUG80 fees
25.00
100.00
16
600.00
Disk library
33.00
71.00
59
120.00
80 Micro
17.00
17.00
0.00
Documentation
0.00
0.00
264.00
Tape Library
0.00
0.00
5.00
Disbursements:
Printing/Copy
85.90
435.72
43
1000.00
Electricity
0.00
80.00
33
240
Postage
0.00
30.00
6
500.00
Post Office Box
0.00
26.00
50
52.00
Telephone
0.00
19.31
9
200.00
Disk Library
0.00
15.00
5
300.00
Bank Charges
0.00
8.00
26
30.00
SBUG80 Repairs
0.00
0.00
200.00
Miscellaneous
0.00
0.00
0.00
Disbursements total
85.90
614.03
22
2702.00
Receipts over(under)
Disbursements....
25.10
704.99
555
127.00
Cash balance beginning
of period....
Cash Balance at end of
period....
805.40
229.27
229.27
255 356.27
909.16 909.16
JAMMED JOEL
or
LAUDABLE LEE
or
You too can be an (almost) megacomputerist.
I am partners with a Model 4. The partnership works very well mostly, but from
time to time I say to my partner, (hereinafter referred to as Model 4), Why don't you
have more space on your disks? 180K Isn't much, you know. The most I ever got out of
that was a flicker of the CRT.
Then Bernle Thompson suggested to me that I have double-sided, half-height
drives Installed. There is a time In the affairs of each man and computer when the tides
are at full, the conjugation of the stars Is coincident, and die tea leaves read in a manner
never to reoccur.
The company has purchased a progam called APARTMENT MANAGER, which uses
3 drives. I have just purchased LITTLE BROTHER, a database program, which my
cursory reading of the manual tells me runs much better on 3 drives. The time was
obviously over ripe.
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JUNl.
Be nut- installed the two half -heights where drive one had been, and now the
•> are numbered from top to bottom as 0, I, and 2. It's a very tight fit, and some
r tutting and scraping was necesary.
There were some lesser problems, but everything Is working now and behold! 1
360 k
in drive
360K
In drive 1
I80K
in drive 2.
have:
900K total
Not quite a megabyte, but respectable. The new setup brings some problems and
aome convenience. The problems are minor, the convenience is enormous. First, there are
the programs I mentioned above, one of which MUST have 3 drives, and the other which I
believe would only hobble on two drives.
TRSDOS 6.2 is an excellent DOS, but as an excellent DOS will do. It takes up a
lot of room on the disk. Of course you can prune It to ■ bare bones system, or tailor it to
fit vanous jobs. All of us know what happens then. Anything you haven't got on the disk
immediately becomes necesary, and I mean vital. Not to worry with double sides. I have
ALLWR1TL, PRONTO (Model 4's answer to SIDEKICK) and IFC (a file copier) on dnve
with 67 granules left over.
All In all, there's a feeling of freedom. What are the problems? Currently I can't
run SUPERUTILITY. I can run COPYCAT and HYPERZAP. Bemie patched a TRSDOS
1.3 disk so that it will boot. With that in drive 0, I can run all my TRSDOS 1.3 programs,
even wlien a command file is In dnve 1 . For one 1 .3 program which requires 2 drive, I put
the bootable disk in 0, the CMD disk in I , and the data disk in 2. Runs fine.
NEW DOS is easier. After Bemie set the Pdrlve forme, I just copy back and forth.
6.2 programs are first formatted for double sides, and from there on there's no problem. I
did go through the majority of my disks and fix them for double sided dealing. This applies
of course to the DOSes, nothing has to be done with the data disks, unless you wish to.
One curiosity i I was getting a little tired and decided to see what would happen if I put
TALLYMAS1 ER in drive I with a NEWDOS system disk in drive 0. It works.
Vtnen copying data disks with any file or disk copier, the destination disk must be
in dnve 2 if it is not double sided. When going from 6.2 to 1.3, the computer must be
turned off for a full minute, else it usually refuses to work with 1.3.
My partner, Model 4, has been quiet about all these goings on, as a matter of
fact, more quiet than ever. I suppose he's satisfied.
Editor's note: I previously mentioned that TRSDOS 6.2 is crowded with system modules.
The following data from LSI JOURNAL will be of help to any of you who run that DOS,
and are not near millionaires like me.
DO YOU NEED MORE ROOM?
Another question commonly asked about TRSDOS is: What do I really need to run
m> programs? In other words, what is a minimum system disk?
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SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS CROUP
Thai information is covered in the Model 4/4P Technical Reference Manual, but
not In a very clear manner. Also, not everyone has this book (though you should...)
A quick summary is as follows:
All system disks must have the following
SYS I /SYS
SYS2/SYS
SYS3/SYS
SYS4/SYS
SYSIO/SYS
SYSI2/SYS
In order for the system disk to be bootable, the following file must also be present:
SYSO/SYS
If you wish to execute library commands, you need
SYS6/SYS
SYS7/SYS
SYS8/SYS
The contents of each correspond to the commands in Libraries A, B, and C, respectively
as listed In response to the LIB command.
For JCL, you also need:
SYS1I/SYS
To use DEBUG, you need:
SYS5/SYS
To use DEBUG (E), you also need:
SYS9/SYS
With 6.2, If you have defined a user system command, or an extended command
Interpreter, you need:
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SYSI3/SYS
Anything else Is an optional utility, driver or filter, and is not necessary for daily
operation. If the filter or driver b desired In your configuration, it may be installed and
then SYSGI.Ned. Once SYSGENed, the file itself is no longer Inecessary. This excludes
those things that cannot be SYSCENed, of course (e.g. the Spooler, mem DISK).
If the program you will be running Is in machine language (h will execute from
TRSDOS Ready, and have file extensions like /CMD or /CTL that's all you need. If you
wish to run BASIC programs, you also need:
BASIC/CMD
BASIC/OVI
The easiest way to make minimum system disks Is to use the command:
PURGE :n (S,l)
where V represents the drive Containing the diskette that is to become a minimum
system disk. Simply respond with N .enter > for the files you wish to keep, and Y<enter»
for the ones you wish to remove. Of course, you should start with a BACKUP of your
complete master system disk.
If you wish to make a 'worksheet' to help you with this procedure, the command:
DIR :n (O-N.P)
(where V represents the drive contallntng the disk in question) will give you a
hordcop) of the disk directory •" fie seme sequence that PURGE will list the files.
64K CHIP MYSTERY DECIPHERED
by Bernle Thompson
Since the last meeting and discussion about the 64K chips being added to the
Model 4P machines, I had an opportunity to Investigate farther which ones will and won't
work.
The key lies in the refresh required. Tandy used the I6K chip refresh on lines A -0
through A -6. Some chip manufacturers use A-0 through A-7 and these will not perform.
The data sheets tell whether they use 7 or 8 refresh lines either explicitly or In a hidden
form of either 128 or 2S6 refresh cycles. Those saying 128 sill work, those that require
256 will not.
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SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS GROUP
So far I have found that Tl INLMOS and NATIONAL are the bad guys, while
FUJITSU, HITACHI, OKI, AMD, TOSHIBA, MOSTEK, MOTOROLA, and PANASONIC,
(MATSUSHITA) are the good guys with part numbers of MB 8264, HM4864, MSM3764,
AM9064, TMM4I64, MK4564, MCM6665, and MN4I64, respectively. There are a few
more vendors which make this item but I did not have the data handy to evaluate. If you
run across other chips. Just check the data sheet before you buy. If you cannot find
them, 1 can help you, but it may cost just a bit more, $1.25 each.
I heard second hand that the NEC Is not compatible either. These chips are OK in
the TANDY 1000 or IBM machine because of the different processor and design.
EDITOR'S NOTE: The following article Is from the CSRA COMPUTER SOCIETY
Newsletter.
CP/M
FILE COPY PROGRAMS
by Chris Deb racy
In this article I'll review five different disk copy programs. One of the most
important things you must do with your computer Is make backups! With making these
backups a very umeconsuming job, this article should help point the way.
Two of the programs are Public Domain, 2 are commercial programs as supplied by
Kaypro, and the last is a commercial program by Dave Rand.
You'll see how each stacked up against the others In terms of convenience, speed
and flexibility. No single one of these programs is clearly superior to the other.
However, after reading this article, you'll have a much better idea as to which
program(s) would meet your Individual needs.
The programs reviewed are:
NSWEEP 2.07 by Dave Rand --Public Domain
SvYAPCOPY 2.3 by Steven L. Sanders --Public Domain
PIP by DR1- -Supplied with CP/M
IMAGE by ??? --Supplied with new Kaypro
COPY by Dave Rand- -Freeware
The tests were conducted on a Kaypro 10 with the standard 4 Mhf clock speed
and a Hitachi double sided/double density floppy disk drive. In each case, these
programs were tested four different times. Tlhey were used to transfer anywhere
from 22K to 278K in files. Files were placed on a floppy disk and then transferred to
the hard disk (Iwhere applicable) and then back to another floppy.
The times shown are approximate times only. Hardware and familiarity with
the programs account for some difference in transfer times. Cyt time in t for
NSWEEP and PIP if you're copying flies one way only.
NSWEEP 2.07 by Dave Rand Is probably the most versatile Me copying
program anywhere. Rather than go into all the features of the program, I'll just
suggest you get It if you don't already have it.
As far as file copying goes, NSWEEP allows exchanging of disks without
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JUNE
resetting and can copy from DS/DD to SS/DD diiks with ease.
SWAPCOPY 2.3 by Steven L. Sanders works on both the Kaypro 10 and the
new single drive Kaypro 2'i. It reads a file, places it In memory, and then prompts
you to swithch Hopples, where It then writes It to the new disk. Kaypro 10 owners
will never again have to PIP a large selection of files to their hard disk only to have
to transfer them back to a floppy. Single drive Kaypro New -2 owners now have a
quick way to backup a small selection of files without having to copy the entire disk.
PIP by DRI. What can I say about PIP? PIP it ok for small file transfers, but
not very efficient. While PIP may have quite a bit of built-in features, for Iplaln file
transfers, you can't do much worse.
IMAGE by ????. Supplied with single drive Kaypro New-2's. IMAGE is used
to copy an entire DS/DD floppy disk. It reads 8 tracks of the floppy Into memory and
then prompts you to switch ldlsks, and then writes those tracks to the new floppy.
While in theory it's a nice system, It's very alow.
COPY by Dave Rand. This program Is literally as fast as you are in swttclhing
floppies in and out of the drive. 10 tracks are read Ion to memory at one time. You
must format floppies with Dave's own version of FORMAT and VERIFY before using
COPY.
SIZE
#r
ILES
NSWP
SWCOPY
PIP
IMAGE
COPY
7:16
6:55
9:20
278K
n
4:20
2:10
I46K
s
4:00
3:35
4:45
4:20
2:10
62K
b
2:10
1:40
2:15
4:40
2:10
22K
2
1:00
:40
1:10
4:20
2:10
Note that IMAGE and COPY can only do the whole disk which is why the
comparison times remain the same throughout.
MAIL
-Message from IANWEBB atSBUG-SO 05/06/85 07:43:01 >
RE: Model 4P and - MANUAL FOR SALE (43 lines)
Read command :
The Model 4P Is a nice machine BUT be aware that:
1. Without modification the disk controller circuitry
will support ONLY 2 drives, (extra chips needed to
provide circuitry for external drives)
2. The Tandon TM50 drives In the machine are not highly
regarded as being top quality and reliable as other
brands.
3. I found that to use NEWDOS80, I had to first boot up
on TRSDOS (ugh!) or LDOS then reboot with NEWDOS80.
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SOUTH UAY TRS-80 USERS CROUP
ITbe internal circuitry will support double -tided drives
and I would suggest putting in 1 LAC FD SSB drives which I
see advertised lor as little as $89 from time -to- time. 1
had two in mine and the> worked fine as double -sided
drives and removed some of the problems of no external
drive support. You have to drill some new mounting holes
in the support bin since the FD -55B drive* have different
hole placement.
You can go to I21K with the 4P for about $15 or less these
days. Get the chips (stay away from Tl I am told due to
a refresh problem with the 4P... Japanese best!) and just
Instai them and change the shunt between US9 and U90 on the
board from Jumpering 12-13 to jumpering II -12.
I have FOR SALE a RS 4P Service Manuel for $25 local or
$27 postpaid since I no longer have a machine. Cost
$35 at RS plus tax.
BASIC conversion should be relatively easy. Machine Language
is the same as problems with Model I to III conversion.
One last comment... NEWDOS80 is NOT recommended on the 4 P
since It sometimes (some commands) will dump bytes over
the ROM image due to poor suck management!
Have fun!
Read command :
.Message from HOFFMAN at SBUC-80 05/06/15 14:42:25>
Read command :
Hello ALL, this is Terry Hoffman.
1 now have a Tandy 1 000 and desperately need a
program that will let me download binary files using
Xmodem pro local. The terminal software I have does
not support Xmodem protocal. Pleeeeaaese help me
obtain a terminal program that will support so that 1
may download software from BBS's.
Also, I am Interested In obtaining a 1200 baud modem.
I would like some opinions on what and where to get
one. I was told I could get a Prometheus from Priority
One, but where is Priority One?
Thanks,
Terry
Read command :
* Message from JIBBYTRM at SBUC-gO 05/06/15 16:27:14*
RE: 4P purchase
Read command :
Well, I did It II
I have 30 days to change my mind. I've tryed the newdosSO,
the newdosgO, and some of the modi /111 games and they all see
all seem to work. Sorry about the cutoff but
I'm using an 80 column terminal. I'll let you know
bow things work out. It sure takes up a lot leu room and
I like the little speaker in the system. Don't need
to go thru the HIFl anymore. This is a HELL of a buy
for the money. Imagine me still buying RS. Oh well
we will never learn will we.
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JUNE
Thanks for the help. I'll pass around your comments to
the crowd. I Kill give them as much software as I cbii
since software sucks you dry most of the time. Thanks
again.
Mc gee send me some literature on the modem J may buy eome
for work. Are they as smart as the Smartmodem ??
Address: 2050 K. Knox Rd.
Tempe, Az. 85284
Phone: 602-820-3945
Happy Trshacklng
Read command :
<Message from DON at SBUG-80 05/06/85 I7:05:!4»
Read command :
Using the Tandy 1000 with Epson printer In Ihe graphics
mode can be a problem. I tried to print a graph frwn
Lotus 1.2.3 and got extra line feeds... solution was
removing printer cble pin f 14 from the standard R/S
printer cable. It works great now!
My f ■ pstm is a r'XOO
For the Epson MX printer, I was told that It needs
a GRAPH -PAX chip for graphics (ROGERAND).
For HOFFMAN: I hlghl
y re using the QMODEM communications pac
package which has the Christiansen protocal
for binary transfers... Call me to arrange
a get together fo a copy or use XTALK and
download It from the IBM BBS. My number
Is (408) 996-1006 ...DON
Read command :
• Message from HER BACH at SBUG-80 05/07/85 22:40. 14 >
RE: VI 100 emulation (16 lines)
Read command :
Greetings to ALL.
The question about VT1 00 emulation on the model 4 was not
answered and I would like to offer a word or two.
The VTI00 has a aeperate keypad whose keys are used for
editing functions. The Model 4 cannot do rills since
Its keypad generates numeric codes and cannot be decoded
seperately.
On the other hand, there Is a KEYDEF operation In Montlzuma
Micro C/PM which allows definition of several keys as
direct, shifted, control, shift 'control, all of which
can be used to get most of the VTI00 special function
operations.
i don't know how to finish the picture I think this Is
the direction to go for a VT100 emulation. If someone
can come up with a useable method PLEASE document It and
put it on the board.
• Message from SYSOP at SBUG-80 05/08/85 20:46:46.
RF: 1200 BAUD...
Read command :
Still looks like It may be a white before anything
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SOUTH BAY IKS -80 USERS GROUP
happens with 1200 baud, Everyone might try bugging
Eric... How about ihe Idea of 1200 baud on Sat t Sun
and 300 baud during die week ? What, you say ? Yet!
This can be done now. If I get enough favorable
responce, I will Mart ASAP. Note: SBUG-80 can
currently run In both 1200/300 baud modes.. .but not
both at the same time. The schedule could be as follows:
Sat - Sun 1200 baud
Mon - Fri 300 baud
ok with everyone out there???
Rob... P.S. Please escuse the excessive down time.
SBUG-80 has a hardware problem which I have
not yet found.
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•Message from GLENN at SBUG-80 05/08/85 21 :09:3I >
RE: MISC RAMBUNGS
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I do not have a 1000 but am running an IBM-PC clone
that Is 100%. If the 1000 is close enough to the IBM,
I will be willing to upload any software desired (If
I can get It - I can get most stuff have 7Smb online
on a system that my company has) Just let me know what
is desired and I will do my best to get it here.
At (or 1200 baud I vole yes.
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-Message from ROGERAND at SBUG-80 05/09/85 16:09:26 >
RE: 1000 t MXM ft GRPHICS
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YES I KNOW ABOUT THE NEEDED GRAFTRACKS INSTALLATION
AND I HAVE HAD IT FOR SOME TIME.
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-Message from ROCERAND at SBUG-80 05/09/85 16:13:17*
RE: LOGOUT AND THE 1000
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IS ANY ONE ELSE Willi A 1000 HAVING PROBLEMS Willi
THE •LOGOUT COMMAND? IT GOES THROUGH THE
PROCEEDURE BUT NEVER DISCONNECTS.
IS IT MY 1000 OR SBUG? IF ITS THE 1000 MAYBE
SOMEONE CAN POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION
I AM USING THE DESK MATE TELCOM AAND A HAYES
300 BAUD MODEM.
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-Message from ROGER AND at SBUG-80 05/09/85 16: 18:30 »
RE: 300 vs. 1200 BAUD
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I'M NOT SURE I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING
CUTOFF FROM THE BOARD ALL WEEKEND.
BT, I CAN'T COMPLAIN AS THE 300 BAUD IS j
GETTING MORE THEN ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE
TIME.
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JUNK
CUTOFF FROM THE BOARD ALL WEEKEND.
Bl , I CAN 1 ! COMPLAIN AS THE 300 BAUD IS I
GETTING MORE THEN ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE
TIME .
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.Message from EDITOR atSBUG-80 03/09/85 21:24:55.
RE: PRONTO
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I have PRONTO the Model 4 version of SIDEKICK. Until
Pete Fratus helped me out with It I cooldn't use It. Now
It works fine. Briefly, it has a calender, a calculator,
a tickler flic, and a dialer, plus others, which may
be brought Into a window from any program, used, and
then you may return to the program. Once you get used
to It, you are apt to Bnd it Indispensable. How many
of you keep a calculator nex t to your computer? How
many timet have you had to go look at a calender when
you were writing a ret Mr? And to on. Like the sinfull
lady said to the teenager, go on try It, you'll like It.
As to 1200 baud, I Mk* the Idea, but have aome reser-
vations. It makes me feel like a bully, beating up on
the little kids, Just because I grew up quicker than
they did. Oh well, the World It full of Injustices.
.Message from SYSOP at SBUC-80 05/08/85 20:46:46.
RE: 1200 BAUD...
Read commajnd :
Still looks like It may be a while before anything
happens with 1200 baud. Everyone might try bugging
Eric... How about the Idea of 1200 baud on Sat & Sun
and 300 baud during the week? What, you aay? Yes!
This can be done now. If I get enough favorable
responce, I will start ASAP. Note: SBUC-80 can
currently run in both 1200/300 baud modes.. .but not
both at the same time. The schedule could be as follows:
Sal - Sun 1200 baud
Mon - Frl 300 baud
ok with everyone out there???
Rob... P.S. Please excuse the excessive down time.
SBUC -80 has a hardware problem which I have
not yet found.
Read command :
.Message from GLENN at SBUG -80 05/08/85 21 :09:3I
RE: MISC RAMBLINCS
Read command :
I do not ha"re a I00i but am running an IBM-PC clone
that is 100*. If the 1000 It close enough to the IBM,
I will be willing to upload any toftware detfred (If
I can get ll - I can get most ttuff have 75mb online
on a system that my company has) hist let me know what
is desired and I will do my bett to get It here.
As for 1200 baud I vote yes.
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