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SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS GROUP 
PACE- -CONTENTS 

3. Something For Everyone by Don Rhodes 

3. The Conquering of the 4P by Gerald McKee 

4. Model 4 Keyboards from Octug 

4. Treasurer's report 

5. Jammed Joel b> Editor 

6. Do You Need More Room from LSI JOURNAL 

8. 64K Chip Mystery Deciphered by Bernie Thompson 

9. File Copy Programs by Chris Debracy from CSRA COMPUTER SOCIETY 
NEWSLETTER 

10. MAIL 

SBUG meetings are held in the Cupertino library at 10400 Torre Ave. 

Time: 7:15 - 9:30 PM 

June 17, July 16, August 19. 

7:30 to 8:00 will be for new members and to resolve questions asked by the nonexperts 
amongst us. Led or followed by the editor as the case may be. 
The unasumming editor will speak on PRONTO. PRONTO is Model 4's answer to 
SIDEKICK. ERIC BREWER will speak on bulletin boards in July. 

LOOKK>JOWBGAR0EZ!::Owti»j to ike loaaof oae Dyaaa ■■«fcnh— . w* are still ttytog 
to fevltoHae Ike SIGS. Specifically , we wish to tone ■ saodrJ 100 giwsp. • CP/M group. 
and • bBXK snap. CadtoJ ytmr brethren araaad yam sad **do yoor thing to get these 



MEMBERSHIP 

If you wish to become a member of SBUG and start receiving our newsletter "DYNAMIC 
MEMORIES", then send $18 (check or moneyorder) to the following address; 

South Bey TRS-80 Users Group 
P.O. Box 60116 
Sunnyvale, Ca. 94088 

or come to one of our meetings. If you also wish to communicate with our bulletin board 
system (SBUG -80) then include an additional $25 (a one time fee) for an acount on the 
system. You must be a member of SBUG to have an account on the system. Please include 
your address and phone number. 

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COPYRIGHT (C) 19«5 SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS GROUP (SBUG) WORLD RIGHTS 
RESERVED. NO PART OF THIS PUBLICATION MAY BE REPRODUCED WITHOUT 
GIVING CREDIT TO THE AUTHOR AND SBUG. REPRODUCTIONS MAY ONLY BE 
PERFORMED BY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. PROFIT MAKING ORGANIZATIONS 
MUST HAVE PRIOR WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE EDITOR. 



-I - 



JUNE, I96S 



YOUR STEERING COMMITTEE 

SBUG-80 
MEMBER USERNAME PHONE 



Discussion Leader: 

Wright Huntley (HUNTLEY) 

Treasurer 

Don Rhodes (DON) 

Secretary 

Lnc Brewer (BREWER) 

Newsletter Editor 

Joel Lee (EDITOR) 

Librarians: 

(disc) Bernle Thompson (BERNIE) 

(tape) Gary Dixon (GDLXON) 

(docs) Pete Fratus (FRATUS) 

SBUG-80 Sy top: 

Robert Byrd (SYSOP) 

OTHER KEY INDIVIDUALS 



Cover Arust: 



Wright Huntley 



Host Computer: 

SBUG-IO (EVERYONE) 

If the need anaes, feel free to give any one of us a cell. 



(408)248-5905 

(408)996-1006 

(408)996-3791 

(408)926-3999 

(406)967-7455 
(406)262-6937 
(406)258-6369 

(408)945-9990 



(406)946-2286 



THE EDITOR'S BYTES AND BITES 

Recently, the membership of the club shrank dramatically. The tendency of course 
is lo believe thai this reflects Tandy's shrinking share of the market. It's logical to 
believe that, but apparently, not correct. In perusing the newsletters from other users' 
groups, I find that they too have shrunk-- and they are not all clubs limited to a specific 
group of machines. 

What is the reason, then? Some of our members drifted into computers from CB 
radio. Ten years ago CB radio had a huge group of enthusiasts. Now It has receded into 
the background, as It were. The hobbyists are still extant, but not nearly as numerous. 

Computers are a little different. More and more people work with computers, own 
computers, but many of the new users are as likely to Join a user's club, as they are to 
join the Flat Earth Society. To them, computers are necesary, useful, invaluable, (as the 
Individual case may be), but not Interesting in and of themselves, end in some cases, 
mildly to thorougly disliked. 

Our membership Is once more on the Increase, partly owing to the bargain cost of 
the Model 4 P. Stick a double -sided drive in a 4P, and you've got yourself quite a 
machine. (See my article In this issue) 



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SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS CROUP 

SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE 
by Don Rhodes 
Name Ext Sire Date Description 











CAPITAL 


PC 


4608 


05 -03 -84 


-README- 


DOC 


512 


05-03-84 


WHATS 


NEW 


8960 


03 -23 -85 


RBBS-PC 


DQC 


119808 


03-23-85 


RBBS-PC 


EXE 


107392 


03-23-85 


NO MNP 








RBBS-PC 


BAS 


49408 


03-23-85 


BBSF1LES 


LBR 


38144 


03-23-85 


ETC... 








CONFIG 


EXE 


105472 


03-19-85 


REQUIRED 








FUSRI24A 


BAS 


2816 


03-19-85 


VER. 








UTILITY 


OBJ 


122 


05 -03 -64 


BDRIVEC2 


OBJ 


1664 


03-23-85 


PC-NET 


OBJ 


256 


03-23-85 


F1X4A-01 


DOC 


768 


03-23-85 


FIX4A-01 


MRG 


1024 


03-23-85 


ANSIEDT 


LQR 


41216 


04-28-85 


COLOR 








CO LOR 2 


TXT 


3968 


04-28-85 


EXPLAINED 








FILECOMP 


BAS 


1408 


03-23-85 


WATCHDOG 


DOC 


2460 


03-23-85 


WATCHDOG 


COM 


384 


03-23-85 


WATCHDGI 


COM 


384 


03-23-85 


BBS 


BAT 


256 


03-19-85 


DOS 








STARTUP 


BAT 


1664 


07 -28 -84 


SECUREI2 


DOC 


2304 


05-03-84 


SECURE! 2 


BAS 


6605 


05 -03 -84 


FILES 








CALLSTAT 


EXE 


24704 


11-26-64 


COMPAQ2D 


MRG 


256 


11-13-84 


DESK PRO 








C0MPAQ2D 


DOC 


1560 


03-19-85 


VADIC 


MRG 


640 


03-23-15 



ACCURATE BUT IDEAS) 



GOOD SOURCE OF FREES/WARL 
A HELP 

NEW FEATURES - READ WARNING ! 
I2.4AI VERSION DOC (SQUEEZED) 
I2.4AI COMPILED BBSSOFTWARE- 

12.4AI BBS IN BASICA 

MENUS, HELP FILES, WELCOMES, 

CONFIGURE OPTIONS VER 1.5 - 

FIXES USERS FILE FROM PRE-I2.4A1 

NEEDED IF LINKING BASIC VERSION 



DOC FOR FIX4A-0I.MRG 

MUST BE APPLIED TO VER 4A.BAS 

COLOR GRAPHICS EDITOR FOR BBS 

COMMUNICATIONS COLOR CODES 

MERGE UTILITY SEE RBBS DOC 

DOC 

READ DOC 

GIVES SYSOP REMOTE ACCESS TO 

AID FOR STARTING BBS 
CREATES PASSWORD FILES 
PROGRAM TO CREATE PASSWORD 

GIVES STATS ON RBBS ACTIVITY 
RUN RBBS-PC ON COMPAQ OR 

DOC FILE (UPDATED 3-19-85) 
RBBS ON VADIC MODEM(NOT 



EDITOR'S NOTE: The following should be softly chanted while "BLUES IN THE NIGHT" 
plays in the background. A solo sax version would perhaps be best. 

THE CONQUERING OF THE 4P 

by Gerald Mc Kee 



-3- 



JUNE 

Yes. Bobby, the Model 4P CAN run NEV. DOS80! The funky way one has to start 
up the Model 4P can cause some grief, but nothing like the frustration I experienced, 
when ALL other D06s ran on the new 4P, except NEWDOS80! After soliciting help from 
most every quarter, I managed to flger It out mysef! 

Turns, out the big difference between Model 4Ps is the same general difference 
between most Computers (beside price and brand name). 

The one 1 brought home would NOT run a NEWDOS80 System disk, however, Jim 
Mngr's Model 4P ran It Just fine! Initially, I thought I had • bad ROM Image disk, so Jim 
helped me do a N"EW backup. (Didn't think to try running It on MY 4P at HIS PLACE!) 

Nest 1 took It to Bob Byrd's house to show off. As one would expect of this sly 
computer, It showed off. It still wouldn't work, not for me, not for anybody. Donkeys are 
more reasonable. I was ready to give up! I'd already worked with SBUG s resident 
GURUs (Uemie Thompson end Pete Fratus)l 

Next, I headed for Radio Shack Bescom Avenue. I tried my stuff on their demo 
and it didn't work there elthert Spoke to Kevin, the sales person who has helped me in 
the past, explaining the problem. He suggested we try It on another Demo machine 
(which I hadn't seen sitting on the next stack of boxes). When I tried that one, my 
system disk came up (showing the Banner), but went Into a loop trying to finish the boot- 
up! 

The light dawned' I went to the nearest Model IV, did a backup of my system 
disk, using 'TSK-2'. The Impasse was broken, the sun was In the heavens, the lark was on 
the wing, the proletariat was eating caviar. The NEWDOS80 came right up, and worked 
just fine. The reason It had failed on MY 4P was the speed of head settling on those 
drives! I brought MY set in, to check it out. Just In case. 

|| worked just fine, but I exchanged it ANYWAY, on the chance that a demo 
might have had more chance to bum -in. Better grab one of these bargains while they are 
hot! 

MODEL 4 KEYBOARDS A BUMMER 

(from OCTUG, Orange County TRS-80 User's Group via MICRO INFO EXCHANGE of 
the CABKILLO COMPUTER SOCIETY.) 

The newest Model 4 keyboards have keys that can't be replaced or repaired. If one 
key go«2. bad, the whole keyboard must be replaced. Computers can be ordered with the 
old keyboard featuring the old arrow layout, or the keyboard can be replaced with a new, 
old type for $60.00 

South Bay TRS User's Group 

Financial Statement 
Period ending April 30, 1905 

Month of Cumulative % Budgeted 
April Year-To-Date used 1984-1985 

-4 



SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS GROUP 
Cash Receipts 



Dues SBug 


36.00 


1,125.00 


62 


1,800.00 


SBUG80 fees 


25.00 


100.00 


16 


600.00 


Disk library 


33.00 


71.00 


59 


120.00 


80 Micro 


17.00 


17.00 





0.00 


Documentation 


0.00 


0.00 





264.00 


Tape Library 


0.00 


0.00 





5.00 


Disbursements: 










Printing/Copy 


85.90 


435.72 


43 


1000.00 


Electricity 


0.00 


80.00 


33 


240 


Postage 


0.00 


30.00 


6 


500.00 


Post Office Box 


0.00 


26.00 


50 


52.00 


Telephone 


0.00 


19.31 


9 


200.00 


Disk Library 


0.00 


15.00 


5 


300.00 


Bank Charges 


0.00 


8.00 


26 


30.00 


SBUG80 Repairs 


0.00 


0.00 





200.00 


Miscellaneous 


0.00 


0.00 





0.00 


Disbursements total 


85.90 


614.03 


22 


2702.00 


Receipts over(under) 










Disbursements.... 


25.10 


704.99 


555 


127.00 



Cash balance beginning 
of period.... 

Cash Balance at end of 
period.... 



805.40 



229.27 



229.27 

255 356.27 



909.16 909.16 

JAMMED JOEL 

or 
LAUDABLE LEE 

or 

You too can be an (almost) megacomputerist. 

I am partners with a Model 4. The partnership works very well mostly, but from 
time to time I say to my partner, (hereinafter referred to as Model 4), Why don't you 
have more space on your disks? 180K Isn't much, you know. The most I ever got out of 
that was a flicker of the CRT. 

Then Bernle Thompson suggested to me that I have double-sided, half-height 
drives Installed. There is a time In the affairs of each man and computer when the tides 
are at full, the conjugation of the stars Is coincident, and die tea leaves read in a manner 
never to reoccur. 

The company has purchased a progam called APARTMENT MANAGER, which uses 
3 drives. I have just purchased LITTLE BROTHER, a database program, which my 
cursory reading of the manual tells me runs much better on 3 drives. The time was 
obviously over ripe. 

-5- 



JUNl. 



Be nut- installed the two half -heights where drive one had been, and now the 
•> are numbered from top to bottom as 0, I, and 2. It's a very tight fit, and some 
r tutting and scraping was necesary. 

There were some lesser problems, but everything Is working now and behold! 1 



360 k 


in drive 


360K 


In drive 1 


I80K 


in drive 2. 



have: 



900K total 

Not quite a megabyte, but respectable. The new setup brings some problems and 
aome convenience. The problems are minor, the convenience is enormous. First, there are 
the programs I mentioned above, one of which MUST have 3 drives, and the other which I 
believe would only hobble on two drives. 

TRSDOS 6.2 is an excellent DOS, but as an excellent DOS will do. It takes up a 
lot of room on the disk. Of course you can prune It to ■ bare bones system, or tailor it to 
fit vanous jobs. All of us know what happens then. Anything you haven't got on the disk 
immediately becomes necesary, and I mean vital. Not to worry with double sides. I have 
ALLWR1TL, PRONTO (Model 4's answer to SIDEKICK) and IFC (a file copier) on dnve 
with 67 granules left over. 

All In all, there's a feeling of freedom. What are the problems? Currently I can't 
run SUPERUTILITY. I can run COPYCAT and HYPERZAP. Bemie patched a TRSDOS 
1.3 disk so that it will boot. With that in drive 0, I can run all my TRSDOS 1.3 programs, 
even wlien a command file is In dnve 1 . For one 1 .3 program which requires 2 drive, I put 
the bootable disk in 0, the CMD disk in I , and the data disk in 2. Runs fine. 

NEW DOS is easier. After Bemie set the Pdrlve forme, I just copy back and forth. 
6.2 programs are first formatted for double sides, and from there on there's no problem. I 
did go through the majority of my disks and fix them for double sided dealing. This applies 
of course to the DOSes, nothing has to be done with the data disks, unless you wish to. 
One curiosity i I was getting a little tired and decided to see what would happen if I put 
TALLYMAS1 ER in drive I with a NEWDOS system disk in drive 0. It works. 

Vtnen copying data disks with any file or disk copier, the destination disk must be 
in dnve 2 if it is not double sided. When going from 6.2 to 1.3, the computer must be 
turned off for a full minute, else it usually refuses to work with 1.3. 

My partner, Model 4, has been quiet about all these goings on, as a matter of 
fact, more quiet than ever. I suppose he's satisfied. 

Editor's note: I previously mentioned that TRSDOS 6.2 is crowded with system modules. 
The following data from LSI JOURNAL will be of help to any of you who run that DOS, 
and are not near millionaires like me. 

DO YOU NEED MORE ROOM? 

Another question commonly asked about TRSDOS is: What do I really need to run 
m> programs? In other words, what is a minimum system disk? 

-6- 



SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS CROUP 

Thai information is covered in the Model 4/4P Technical Reference Manual, but 
not In a very clear manner. Also, not everyone has this book (though you should...) 

A quick summary is as follows: 

All system disks must have the following 

SYS I /SYS 

SYS2/SYS 

SYS3/SYS 

SYS4/SYS 

SYSIO/SYS 

SYSI2/SYS 



In order for the system disk to be bootable, the following file must also be present: 
SYSO/SYS 

If you wish to execute library commands, you need 



SYS6/SYS 
SYS7/SYS 
SYS8/SYS 



The contents of each correspond to the commands in Libraries A, B, and C, respectively 
as listed In response to the LIB command. 

For JCL, you also need: 

SYS1I/SYS 
To use DEBUG, you need: 

SYS5/SYS 

To use DEBUG (E), you also need: 

SYS9/SYS 



With 6.2, If you have defined a user system command, or an extended command 
Interpreter, you need: 



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JUNE 
SYSI3/SYS 

Anything else Is an optional utility, driver or filter, and is not necessary for daily 
operation. If the filter or driver b desired In your configuration, it may be installed and 
then SYSGI.Ned. Once SYSGENed, the file itself is no longer Inecessary. This excludes 
those things that cannot be SYSCENed, of course (e.g. the Spooler, mem DISK). 

If the program you will be running Is in machine language (h will execute from 
TRSDOS Ready, and have file extensions like /CMD or /CTL that's all you need. If you 
wish to run BASIC programs, you also need: 

BASIC/CMD 
BASIC/OVI 

The easiest way to make minimum system disks Is to use the command: 

PURGE :n (S,l) 

where V represents the drive Containing the diskette that is to become a minimum 
system disk. Simply respond with N .enter > for the files you wish to keep, and Y<enter» 
for the ones you wish to remove. Of course, you should start with a BACKUP of your 
complete master system disk. 

If you wish to make a 'worksheet' to help you with this procedure, the command: 
DIR :n (O-N.P) 



(where V represents the drive contallntng the disk in question) will give you a 
hordcop) of the disk directory •" fie seme sequence that PURGE will list the files. 

64K CHIP MYSTERY DECIPHERED 

by Bernle Thompson 

Since the last meeting and discussion about the 64K chips being added to the 
Model 4P machines, I had an opportunity to Investigate farther which ones will and won't 
work. 

The key lies in the refresh required. Tandy used the I6K chip refresh on lines A -0 
through A -6. Some chip manufacturers use A-0 through A-7 and these will not perform. 
The data sheets tell whether they use 7 or 8 refresh lines either explicitly or In a hidden 
form of either 128 or 2S6 refresh cycles. Those saying 128 sill work, those that require 
256 will not. 



-6- 



SOUTH BAY TRS-80 USERS GROUP 

So far I have found that Tl INLMOS and NATIONAL are the bad guys, while 
FUJITSU, HITACHI, OKI, AMD, TOSHIBA, MOSTEK, MOTOROLA, and PANASONIC, 
(MATSUSHITA) are the good guys with part numbers of MB 8264, HM4864, MSM3764, 
AM9064, TMM4I64, MK4564, MCM6665, and MN4I64, respectively. There are a few 
more vendors which make this item but I did not have the data handy to evaluate. If you 
run across other chips. Just check the data sheet before you buy. If you cannot find 
them, 1 can help you, but it may cost just a bit more, $1.25 each. 

I heard second hand that the NEC Is not compatible either. These chips are OK in 
the TANDY 1000 or IBM machine because of the different processor and design. 

EDITOR'S NOTE: The following article Is from the CSRA COMPUTER SOCIETY 
Newsletter. 

CP/M 

FILE COPY PROGRAMS 
by Chris Deb racy 

In this article I'll review five different disk copy programs. One of the most 
important things you must do with your computer Is make backups! With making these 
backups a very umeconsuming job, this article should help point the way. 

Two of the programs are Public Domain, 2 are commercial programs as supplied by 
Kaypro, and the last is a commercial program by Dave Rand. 

You'll see how each stacked up against the others In terms of convenience, speed 
and flexibility. No single one of these programs is clearly superior to the other. 
However, after reading this article, you'll have a much better idea as to which 
program(s) would meet your Individual needs. 

The programs reviewed are: 

NSWEEP 2.07 by Dave Rand --Public Domain 

SvYAPCOPY 2.3 by Steven L. Sanders --Public Domain 

PIP by DR1- -Supplied with CP/M 

IMAGE by ??? --Supplied with new Kaypro 

COPY by Dave Rand- -Freeware 

The tests were conducted on a Kaypro 10 with the standard 4 Mhf clock speed 
and a Hitachi double sided/double density floppy disk drive. In each case, these 
programs were tested four different times. Tlhey were used to transfer anywhere 
from 22K to 278K in files. Files were placed on a floppy disk and then transferred to 
the hard disk (Iwhere applicable) and then back to another floppy. 

The times shown are approximate times only. Hardware and familiarity with 
the programs account for some difference in transfer times. Cyt time in t for 
NSWEEP and PIP if you're copying flies one way only. 

NSWEEP 2.07 by Dave Rand Is probably the most versatile Me copying 
program anywhere. Rather than go into all the features of the program, I'll just 
suggest you get It if you don't already have it. 

As far as file copying goes, NSWEEP allows exchanging of disks without 

-9- 



JUNE 

resetting and can copy from DS/DD to SS/DD diiks with ease. 

SWAPCOPY 2.3 by Steven L. Sanders works on both the Kaypro 10 and the 
new single drive Kaypro 2'i. It reads a file, places it In memory, and then prompts 
you to swithch Hopples, where It then writes It to the new disk. Kaypro 10 owners 
will never again have to PIP a large selection of files to their hard disk only to have 
to transfer them back to a floppy. Single drive Kaypro New -2 owners now have a 
quick way to backup a small selection of files without having to copy the entire disk. 

PIP by DRI. What can I say about PIP? PIP it ok for small file transfers, but 
not very efficient. While PIP may have quite a bit of built-in features, for Iplaln file 
transfers, you can't do much worse. 

IMAGE by ????. Supplied with single drive Kaypro New-2's. IMAGE is used 
to copy an entire DS/DD floppy disk. It reads 8 tracks of the floppy Into memory and 
then prompts you to switch ldlsks, and then writes those tracks to the new floppy. 
While in theory it's a nice system, It's very alow. 

COPY by Dave Rand. This program Is literally as fast as you are in swttclhing 
floppies in and out of the drive. 10 tracks are read Ion to memory at one time. You 
must format floppies with Dave's own version of FORMAT and VERIFY before using 
COPY. 



SIZE 


#r 


ILES 


NSWP 


SWCOPY 


PIP 


IMAGE 


COPY 




















7:16 


6:55 


9:20 




278K 


n 


4:20 


2:10 














I46K 


s 




4:00 


3:35 


4:45 


4:20 


2:10 














62K 


b 




2:10 


1:40 


2:15 


4:40 


2:10 














22K 


2 




1:00 


:40 


1:10 


4:20 


2:10 















Note that IMAGE and COPY can only do the whole disk which is why the 
comparison times remain the same throughout. 

MAIL 

-Message from IANWEBB atSBUG-SO 05/06/85 07:43:01 > 
RE: Model 4P and - MANUAL FOR SALE (43 lines) 
Read command : 
The Model 4P Is a nice machine BUT be aware that: 

1. Without modification the disk controller circuitry 
will support ONLY 2 drives, (extra chips needed to 
provide circuitry for external drives) 

2. The Tandon TM50 drives In the machine are not highly 
regarded as being top quality and reliable as other 
brands. 

3. I found that to use NEWDOS80, I had to first boot up 

on TRSDOS (ugh!) or LDOS then reboot with NEWDOS80. 

-10- 



SOUTH UAY TRS-80 USERS CROUP 

ITbe internal circuitry will support double -tided drives 

and I would suggest putting in 1 LAC FD SSB drives which I 

see advertised lor as little as $89 from time -to- time. 1 

had two in mine and the> worked fine as double -sided 

drives and removed some of the problems of no external 

drive support. You have to drill some new mounting holes 

in the support bin since the FD -55B drive* have different 

hole placement. 

You can go to I21K with the 4P for about $15 or less these 

days. Get the chips (stay away from Tl I am told due to 

a refresh problem with the 4P... Japanese best!) and just 

Instai them and change the shunt between US9 and U90 on the 

board from Jumpering 12-13 to jumpering II -12. 

I have FOR SALE a RS 4P Service Manuel for $25 local or 

$27 postpaid since I no longer have a machine. Cost 

$35 at RS plus tax. 

BASIC conversion should be relatively easy. Machine Language 

is the same as problems with Model I to III conversion. 

One last comment... NEWDOS80 is NOT recommended on the 4 P 

since It sometimes (some commands) will dump bytes over 

the ROM image due to poor suck management! 

Have fun! 

Read command : 

.Message from HOFFMAN at SBUC-80 05/06/15 14:42:25> 
Read command : 

Hello ALL, this is Terry Hoffman. 
1 now have a Tandy 1 000 and desperately need a 
program that will let me download binary files using 
Xmodem pro local. The terminal software I have does 
not support Xmodem protocal. Pleeeeaaese help me 
obtain a terminal program that will support so that 1 
may download software from BBS's. 
Also, I am Interested In obtaining a 1200 baud modem. 
I would like some opinions on what and where to get 
one. I was told I could get a Prometheus from Priority 
One, but where is Priority One? 
Thanks, 
Terry 

Read command : 

* Message from JIBBYTRM at SBUC-gO 05/06/15 16:27:14* 

RE: 4P purchase 

Read command : 

Well, I did It II 

I have 30 days to change my mind. I've tryed the newdosSO, 
the newdosgO, and some of the modi /111 games and they all see 
all seem to work. Sorry about the cutoff but 
I'm using an 80 column terminal. I'll let you know 
bow things work out. It sure takes up a lot leu room and 
I like the little speaker in the system. Don't need 
to go thru the HIFl anymore. This is a HELL of a buy 
for the money. Imagine me still buying RS. Oh well 
we will never learn will we. 

-II- 



JUNE 



Thanks for the help. I'll pass around your comments to 
the crowd. I Kill give them as much software as I cbii 
since software sucks you dry most of the time. Thanks 
again. 

Mc gee send me some literature on the modem J may buy eome 
for work. Are they as smart as the Smartmodem ?? 
Address: 2050 K. Knox Rd. 

Tempe, Az. 85284 
Phone: 602-820-3945 
Happy Trshacklng 

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<Message from DON at SBUG-80 05/06/85 I7:05:!4» 

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Using the Tandy 1000 with Epson printer In Ihe graphics 

mode can be a problem. I tried to print a graph frwn 

Lotus 1.2.3 and got extra line feeds... solution was 

removing printer cble pin f 14 from the standard R/S 

printer cable. It works great now! 

My f ■ pstm is a r'XOO 

For the Epson MX printer, I was told that It needs 
a GRAPH -PAX chip for graphics (ROGERAND). 
For HOFFMAN: I hlghl 

y re using the QMODEM communications pac 
package which has the Christiansen protocal 
for binary transfers... Call me to arrange 
a get together fo a copy or use XTALK and 
download It from the IBM BBS. My number 
Is (408) 996-1006 ...DON 

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• Message from HER BACH at SBUG-80 05/07/85 22:40. 14 > 
RE: VI 100 emulation (16 lines) 

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Greetings to ALL. 

The question about VT1 00 emulation on the model 4 was not 

answered and I would like to offer a word or two. 

The VTI00 has a aeperate keypad whose keys are used for 

editing functions. The Model 4 cannot do rills since 

Its keypad generates numeric codes and cannot be decoded 

seperately. 

On the other hand, there Is a KEYDEF operation In Montlzuma 

Micro C/PM which allows definition of several keys as 

direct, shifted, control, shift 'control, all of which 

can be used to get most of the VTI00 special function 

operations. 

i don't know how to finish the picture I think this Is 

the direction to go for a VT100 emulation. If someone 

can come up with a useable method PLEASE document It and 

put it on the board. 

• Message from SYSOP at SBUG-80 05/08/85 20:46:46. 
RF: 1200 BAUD... 

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Still looks like It may be a white before anything 

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SOUTH BAY IKS -80 USERS GROUP 

happens with 1200 baud, Everyone might try bugging 
Eric... How about ihe Idea of 1200 baud on Sat t Sun 
and 300 baud during die week ? What, you say ? Yet! 
This can be done now. If I get enough favorable 
responce, I will Mart ASAP. Note: SBUG-80 can 
currently run In both 1200/300 baud modes.. .but not 
both at the same time. The schedule could be as follows: 

Sat - Sun 1200 baud 

Mon - Fri 300 baud 
ok with everyone out there??? 
Rob... P.S. Please escuse the excessive down time. 

SBUG-80 has a hardware problem which I have 

not yet found. 

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•Message from GLENN at SBUG-80 05/08/85 21 :09:3I > 
RE: MISC RAMBUNGS 
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I do not have a 1000 but am running an IBM-PC clone 
that Is 100%. If the 1000 is close enough to the IBM, 
I will be willing to upload any software desired (If 
I can get It - I can get most stuff have 7Smb online 
on a system that my company has) Just let me know what 
is desired and I will do my best to get it here. 
At (or 1200 baud I vole yes. 
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-Message from ROGERAND at SBUG-80 05/09/85 16:09:26 > 
RE: 1000 t MXM ft GRPHICS 
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YES I KNOW ABOUT THE NEEDED GRAFTRACKS INSTALLATION 
AND I HAVE HAD IT FOR SOME TIME. 

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-Message from ROCERAND at SBUG-80 05/09/85 16:13:17* 

RE: LOGOUT AND THE 1000 

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IS ANY ONE ELSE Willi A 1000 HAVING PROBLEMS Willi 

THE •LOGOUT COMMAND? IT GOES THROUGH THE 

PROCEEDURE BUT NEVER DISCONNECTS. 

IS IT MY 1000 OR SBUG? IF ITS THE 1000 MAYBE 

SOMEONE CAN POINT ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION 

I AM USING THE DESK MATE TELCOM AAND A HAYES 

300 BAUD MODEM. 

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-Message from ROGER AND at SBUG-80 05/09/85 16: 18:30 » 

RE: 300 vs. 1200 BAUD 

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I'M NOT SURE I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING 

CUTOFF FROM THE BOARD ALL WEEKEND. 

BT, I CAN'T COMPLAIN AS THE 300 BAUD IS j 

GETTING MORE THEN ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE 

TIME. 



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CUTOFF FROM THE BOARD ALL WEEKEND. 
Bl , I CAN 1 ! COMPLAIN AS THE 300 BAUD IS I 
GETTING MORE THEN ITS FAIR SHARE OF THE 

TIME . 

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.Message from EDITOR atSBUG-80 03/09/85 21:24:55. 
RE: PRONTO 
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I have PRONTO the Model 4 version of SIDEKICK. Until 
Pete Fratus helped me out with It I cooldn't use It. Now 
It works fine. Briefly, it has a calender, a calculator, 
a tickler flic, and a dialer, plus others, which may 
be brought Into a window from any program, used, and 
then you may return to the program. Once you get used 
to It, you are apt to Bnd it Indispensable. How many 
of you keep a calculator nex t to your computer? How 
many timet have you had to go look at a calender when 
you were writing a ret Mr? And to on. Like the sinfull 
lady said to the teenager, go on try It, you'll like It. 
As to 1200 baud, I Mk* the Idea, but have aome reser- 
vations. It makes me feel like a bully, beating up on 
the little kids, Just because I grew up quicker than 
they did. Oh well, the World It full of Injustices. 
.Message from SYSOP at SBUC-80 05/08/85 20:46:46. 
RE: 1200 BAUD... 
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Still looks like It may be a while before anything 
happens with 1200 baud. Everyone might try bugging 
Eric... How about the Idea of 1200 baud on Sat & Sun 
and 300 baud during the week? What, you aay? Yes! 
This can be done now. If I get enough favorable 
responce, I will start ASAP. Note: SBUC-80 can 
currently run in both 1200/300 baud modes.. .but not 
both at the same time. The schedule could be as follows: 

Sal - Sun 1200 baud 

Mon - Frl 300 baud 
ok with everyone out there??? 
Rob... P.S. Please excuse the excessive down time. 

SBUC -80 has a hardware problem which I have 

not yet found. 

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.Message from GLENN at SBUG -80 05/08/85 21 :09:3I 

RE: MISC RAMBLINCS 

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I do not ha"re a I00i but am running an IBM-PC clone 

that is 100*. If the 1000 It close enough to the IBM, 

I will be willing to upload any toftware detfred (If 

I can get ll - I can get most ttuff have 75mb online 

on a system that my company has) hist let me know what 

is desired and I will do my bett to get It here. 

As for 1200 baud I vote yes. 



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