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Poster: pdm59 Date: Jul 12, 2012 9:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Curious as to which iconic Dead image is yours. The one that IS the band to you. No wrong answers unless differing from my choice of course.

While listening to Steal Your Face today I got to thinking about the relationship between the when, what, and how of our intro to this group shaped our outlook.

OK, many fantastic images associated with the band. Perhaps more than any other. Fantastic for all of us.

The one for me is the classic red and blue lightning bolt open skull Stealie. Short and sweet this represents how the music gets into my head and zaps neurons into expanding fractals of grey matter culminating in frothy ooze shooting out of my head (WT, SDH, William The Wordsmith type responses welcome).

Like I said there are no wrong answers but I will add that I am not fond of the Dancing Bears. My loss perhaps.
Dancing Terrapins fine, no problem, everyday experience. Dancing Bears, WTF?!?!?!

Next please.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jul 13, 2012 8:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Kinda funny story on this one, over at TA one of the members was talking about all the different SYF(Im paraphrasing here) and said something to the effect of "What's next, Hello Kitty Stealies??" I then could not help myself and came up with this. It coulda been huge in Japan. Photobucket
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Poster: sjanderson82 Date: Jul 14, 2012 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

just recently found this one and it delights my senses: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2590/4171260750_99bc7c9754.jpg
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Poster: pdm59 Date: Jul 16, 2012 2:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

This has been pretty cool. The responses brought out a lot of images. All of them great. Hello Kitty Stealie could use oversize anime eyes, more face to steal.

It does appear that our personal intro to the band does color, if you will, our choices.

The Blues for Allah skeleton playing the violin was accepted at faceless value cause it was cool. I never tried to figure it out or assign any meaning.

I also want to acknowledge Dead images in entirety: album art, posters, tees, ticket envelopes, even auto paint jobs.

Moving to Shakedown Street, I don't remember any Dead references appearing in Shelton's Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers though it has been ages since I have read them. Certainly a natural fit.

Thanks all.

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Poster: wineland Date: Jul 13, 2012 4:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Cats under the stars for me. Always paranoid about the SYF and getting pulled over. Subtle and it shows my love of JGB.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 12, 2012 10:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Oh boy! It’s Deadhead Pinterest Time! (Does anyone here do Pinterest? I don’t, but it sounds horribly addictive.)

Anyway, I’m not big on wearing skull/skeleton imagery … it just feels too macho for me, although I definitely agree that the skull emblem symbolizes the band infinitely more than the darned dancing fuzzy-wuzzy bears.

There’s so much amazingly great art from the band's visual universe, but in terms of single iconic images, here are my favorites:

http://www.live-grateful-dead-music.com/image-files/grateful-dead-mp3-terrapin-skull-cyclops.jpg

http://woodstocktradeco.com/mm5/graphics/00000002/MSM02BlueRoseMag.jpg

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Poster: cosmicharIie Date: Jul 13, 2012 5:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

I've always thought that cyclops scull rather creepy but love the rose pictured. Btw, pdm59, Having seen her photo a few years back, I think Dancing Bears is HOT! lol

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

"Having seen her photo a few years back, I think Dancing Bears is HOT!"

Roger that

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Poster: Mooding Date: Jul 13, 2012 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

I'd have to agree on the original Steal Your Face, though the Blues for Allah fiddler would be a close second, but I think the SYF is more immediately recognizable to more people.

I'd bet that (in the US) most non-fans have SEEN a SYF regardless of whether or not they know its significance.

And to clarify, the bears aren't dancing, they're marching. So sayeth The Bear

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 13, 2012 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

I use this one frequently:

Yeah, that's Jorma. We were hanging out at FloydFest last year.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jul 13, 2012 4:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

oh shit, I can smell JOTS from here. must be the oncoming
solar flare from our star in the aroura.

damn. need more opium...
gr8 pix

I use this one frequently:
thats what she said
(tell me when this gets old)

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: Jul 12, 2012 11:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

It goes back to when I 'enrolled'. I'd just bought 'Live/Dead' when, a few days later, 'Skull (Skeleton) and Roses' came out. I love the 'Live/Dead' cover (front, back and inner photos) but 'Skull and Roses' put down a marker that was never rubbed-out (at least for me). Maybe 'SYF' has superceeded it, but for us 'early boys' (not trying to score points 'cos I know hundreds of thousands beat me to it) 'S&R' is the one for me ..........
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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Gotta agree...though I had the first, that cover was mainstream.

After S&R, though, yrs later, going back to get Aox, I did it purely for the cover....

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Poster: Roselienjessie Date: Jul 13, 2012 3:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

i didn't die yet!

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: Jul 13, 2012 6:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Yup...skull and roses it is. Even saved up my nickles and dimes to purchase a Mouse overpainted one with his iconic signature. Kinda the centerpiece of my small collection.

Not sure why, but in my mind (a dark and dangerous place) St. Stephen is tied to the skull and roses emblem.

I would think that the syf is the most commonly associated image, but mine is s & r.

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Poster: Headstrung Date: Jul 13, 2012 3:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

I love the Blues for Allah skeleton playing the violin.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jul 13, 2012 4:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

no offense Hs, but I NEVER got that one.
The violin and skeleton? just didnt get it... I like it but.... I guess that would rules out roses then. hmmmm
Kind of like the prince albert-one eyed-monster skull thing that AR likes. ewwww
I get it, but to itch his/her own I guess (smell may vary)

Skobud has done it again would prolly be my point... ha!
Now... to my desktop :)

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Violin?

Hell I thought that was a fiddle.

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Poster: Headstrung Date: Jul 13, 2012 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

No offense that is why Baskin and Robbins has 31 flavors. You are right about it not making much sense and to user unknown one mans violin is another mans fiddle.

The do dah man from Shakedown Street is another one that is great. In college we had a giant one with his finger pointing straight at the bowl on our four foot bong. Those were the learned days.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jul 13, 2012 8:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

fiddle - faddle

nothing shaking on shake down street. used to be the heart
of town. Which one played the fiddle again?
oh this guy:

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 4:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1a/Aoxomoxoa.jpg/220px-Aoxomoxoa.jpg Aoxomoxoa: A palindrome. A divine feeling or transcendence gained by flying kites.
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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2012 7:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

For an album cover, definitely. But what part would you take out for a logo/symbol? I mean, you can't put the whole album cover on a patch for your jeans ...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Yes, you can...I had two t shirts w it...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2012 7:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

Yeah, but it's still not a symbol or a logo, like a Stealie or a Dancing Bear. It's just too intricate. (And hey, I said jeans patch, not t-shirt! Something sticker-sized. You could get the skulls and roses head on a patch, but not a whole album cover. Unless it's covering a really really big rip.)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 8:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

I think that other stuff just comes off as a simple symbol cause that's what it became...all of those items WERE parts of larger album covers ORIGINALLY, eh?

So, Bill & I r goin w the orig, full blown...

;)

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 8:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

+1

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2012 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

I think the Stealie predates its use on an album by a bunch of years. Wasn't it created by Bear to put on the band's equipment and keep it separate from other bands?

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

No more calls please. We have a winner.

""Steal Your Face" skull: Perhaps the best-known Grateful Dead art icon is a red, white, and blue skull with a lightning bolt through it. The lightning bolt skull can be found on the cover of the album Steal Your Face, and the image is sometimes known by that name. It was designed by Owsley Stanley and artist Bob Thomas, and was originally used as a logo to mark the band's equipment"

http://www.thebear.org/GDLogo.html

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

I thought there were no wrong answers...

Oh well, we screwed up again...Rose just doesn't realize that a jean patch on my ass is a double album cover worth...

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

"Rose just doesn't realize that a jean patch on my ass is a double album cover worth..."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 12:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: We win again...?

And, just to be "completely correct", that symbol was used on an album cover within the yr (well, at least the concerts were, eh?)...Whenever Bear's Choice came out, which was WAY before anyone used that symbol as an icon.

So see, they were all parts of albums...

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: We win again...?

Well "Bear's Choice" wasn't released until 1973, but the 1969 "logo' was a simple red and white circle split by the white lightning bolt. It really bore more of an resemblance to the Yin/Yang than to the "Stealie". http://www.thebear.org/toolbox1b.gif
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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: We win again...?

Sorry, I viewed it as "part" of the one on Bear's Choice...

?

Am I the only one that sees that?

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 13, 2012 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: We win again...?

Bear's Choice has the full "Stealie" that became the album cover for "Steal Your Face" in 1976.
http://home.frognet.net/~scott/BearChoice.jpg

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 13, 2012 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: We win again...? (Not so fast!)

I thought you were probably right until I found this, from before Bear's Choice: The label is "samedi mai 13 1972," from Lille, France. http://philippe.andrieu.free.fr/concerts/19720513/_thb_GD4.jpg But the early sticker on the gear is more embryonic. From 1970: http://images.wisconsinhistory.org/700009120003/0912000019-l.jpg
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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 14, 2012 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: We win again...? (Not so fast!)

Ah, what's this? The scientist and the artist meet half way?

;)

No, I insist you meet me at the 51% mark (my side).

I have conducted my multiple linear regression after Box-Cox transformations, and I have found that 83% of the variation in "logos/icons" can be ascribed to their origin via albums...

har, har.

Seriously, I think we sorta passed each other in the night. I was only really thinking that ALL (most) of the logos and icons started as album/poster art components since that was the art form (source) in the 60s, and the "small logo" style image of an iconic sort really is something that is part of the past 10-20 yrs, ya know?

So, you're right that something like Aox isn't what was being asked about, but the bears, the S&R, Jerry's hand (one of my favs, the clear one you put on car windows? Gets more questions than any other), and many others, all were originally album/poster parts, that's all.

But, you have the ONE that was originally produced for exactly what you were getting at: an easily recognized, reduced, barebones (har) essence--an iconic logo from start to finish.

As if to confirm my "album is all" essence, note that even it worked its way BACK into an album, not once, but twice?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's your Dead Emblem/Symbol/Logo?

That's one, but components of all others were generally used in other ways, albums primarily, right? Otherwise the answer is there's only ONE...