tv Charlie Rose PBS September 28, 2009 12:00pm-1:00pm EDT
>> ron: welcome the broadcast. tonight two remarkab young men have de on extraordinary job in what they do. they are nba stars, lebron james fir an then chris paul. (cheers and apause) >> is every part of e dream then rlized forou? >> i'm almost there. >> ronone big thing. >> one moreream. >> r: the nba chpionship. >> absolutely, you g it. >>on: and last yearhen yodidn't get it, how did that hit y? >> it hur
any time isaid i would go and, you know, i feel like just i can rch it, it's right there and it doesn happen t hurts. it hurts. >> ron: but tell mmore. so you were there and you saw the lakers take it. >> the lakers are, the championsh goes to l.a. now of course. but we feel like we were righthere and we didn't, yoknow, hold up our end of the bargain. so we got another season. we're looking forwardto thisne now. i ow i got a teammate minehat will help meet there. >> ron: by the ne of shaq. >> by thename of shaq. >> ron: wh does he add? >> he adds a low pulse esence that i haven't had. >> ron: so y go down the paint, youot a pce you cadrop it off. >>bsolutely. and phone i don't go dow the paint i can alsgive him the ball d let him go work also. he doe great. >> ronand you're to the worrd about himbeing pushed out of the way. >> if anyonean push shaq
out of the way, find him for me. >> looki, looki. find paul wit two, with one, paul forhe win. the competition is amazing. people aays ask me what is it le to play in the nba. and you know, everyone, you know, i alwa talk about how they cl college baetball because they feel guys in the-- from playi in t nba i can speak from experience there a no nights off. are yo pling against the most finally tuned athlete in the wld night in and night out. d if you don't bring your a game you will be barrassed. you wi be embarrassed pecially in our league. so inow there are so ny different things now that en i first came int was about how fa can i do . how fast i can do . and now is about h effient can i be. >> ron: lebronames, istopher bean and chris paul when we continue.
>> additnal funding for charlie ro was also providedy these funders. and by bloomberg, a prider of multimedia news andnformation worldwide. >> from our studio in new york city, this is captioning snsored by ro communications from our sdios in new york city, this is charlie rose >> lebron james and kristopher belman e here n 2002 belma began filming the varsity cityasketball team in st.incent, st. mary as partf a college court in documentary filmmaking. the assignment was to ke a
ten minute mov. sen yr later th moe is made into the featu fil "more than a game" and here is a look at the trailer. >> been bbed the chos run. >> lebron james. >> the best high school basketball player i ve ev seen. >> are you serious? >> you can see the lebron phenenon growing. >> this all arted i a little gym with a linoleum floor. >> ias about to coach the travel basketball team. i knew a very good player and his name was lebron james. when ep was young weame togeer as a team. >> drew wakind of a h head he didn'twantnybody to say anything about his se. >> we play ten games of one-on-o and not leave til i win. >> i wasn'very good. he was big but h wasn't very good. >> one thing that you need to be-- eat wheaties.
>> he d been through so much. >> he was just a little t more mure than the oth guys. >> i definitely learned a lot from my brher about saifice. that is probably the hardest time in hi life. >> i never thought basketball was going toe my future. i just wanted to play just because it gets you girls. >> lebn. >> he anhis mom had so tough early years. >> we opinionly moved 12 times. e hardest thing for me w eting new friend, going to new schools all the te. i wantedo finally have some bthers that i can b loyal to. i think we all kind of shared that bo. >> senior year there we five ous. hands on each other's shoulders, nothi going to stand our way, nothing is going toeparates. >> these are young kids and they started blowi tea out. >> 5-and-0, 15-and-0, 20nd-0. >> they codn't believe we are were stl winning. >> lebron james is in ineligible to ay. >> iwe were ever unifie we need toe more ufied today. the team was like a family.
you play your art outor your famil >> thiwas our last oprtunity to do what we had been dream beingince thfifth grade a thatas dointhe nation championship. >> i want yo guys to just for one mite try to grasp this thing, to be where you guys a at is ablessing that you guys wi only understand ler in life. >> so here we go. the hi school nationa champiship on the line. >> more than a game >>t will always be about more than basketbl. >> that lebronames is already one of t nba's greatest players. last season he was the league mvp. i am pleased toave christopher beln and lebron james at th table r the first time. welcome. >> thanks for hang us. >> appciate it. >> appreciate it. >> great to you haveere. >> appreciate it >> it's a goodilm. >> thank you >> thank you. >>even years ago. >> seven and a hal a long time. >> it lls the story of what in yourmind. >> i think it tellshe story of the amecan dream.
think it tells the story of overcominany obscles that get in soone away to go after sometng that you wa, you know. ese are four boys, eventually aifth one is added, five boys chasing something at a lot of peop would never even dream about becae it is such an unreachable goal. but tother they are able to achie that and ifoing so, theyorm a brotheood. th become men, you know. and they foe relationships that hav sted beyond an nba careernd probably will last the rest their lis. that is really at the film is about. >> that's , isn't it. >> exactly rht. >>he bond of friendship on a goal. >> that's exactly at it. you know, coach drew always sa use the game and don't let it use you. and when you are a kid you really don't understand what that meansntil you -- as andult i kind of unrstand like wow, we used the game and weidn't let it use us. and we used to create friendship, create loyalty, crte an opportunity for us to become bter as people
off the urt more tn just on the court. >> but they haveeen with beyond that which is rerkable. and you need theand they need you,ou know. d the bond as he said contins. >> absolutely. still to this day. >> and howoes it work out? >> maverick hanes the business end. >> yeah, maverk is a bi part of the business end. you know, the gs that i gr up with in high school, two of tm are ill playing basketball professionally overseas anher one is woron his masters and is arad sistant at the university ago ron. and the other one is still pursuing his nfl career. he is n playing at walsh university i canton, ohio. 's woron getting his degree also. so we alllike i say, are succesul. >> you got ts movie coming out. you are innother movie. what is it cled,fantasy.
>> ftasy. the next o. >>re you thinking about acng as your second career. >> i'm not sure. i think with the right opportuny i am gog to givet a good shot and i think the fantasy basketball mp is agreat opptunity. >> seven years tmake a film. you lived withheseuys. tell me about this y. i mean look at thi this is "time" mazine, "sports illustrad", here's "sports illustted" again. here'ssports illustrated" again and here with tom brady's wife. >> pie good buddytom. >> i me lebron, most peop know lebron as the athlete an they see him in the commercials. he's gng to be phenomenal as an acr because he isso natural in front of the cara but i thinwhat i learn about lron and i thinwhat the filmhows pele is just how authentic he ias a person. think i de know i guess i've ner really met someonthat is so comfortable with who they
are. you know, at such a young age i thin that cfidence anall thosethingsing a loof that came from a life perspeive and going through things that went through a child. it gav him a groundi and a big pture perspective where when adversity and things like that hit h later i life, he tes it stride becse he has already accomplied so many thin that most kids will ner have to go thugh. >> speak to at because it is true. i think of who am today is because of all the trls and triblationsnd hardships i went through as a kid. like. >> growi up in a single parent househo with just me and my ther and havg to grow up. having to come the man o the hous at a you age. at six a sevenears old an having okay, now, you knowi have to make sure that my mother is procted. that helps you ow up a lot faster. growing up in e inner city where you see a lot of things that you never want your kids to s. and it just humbled me. it humbled me and i tnk the city of ago rowhere i grew upvery day for giving mehose hard shims because basically set me up f
who i tod. >>s every part of the dream then realized for you? >> i'm almost there. >> one big tng. >> one more dam. >> theba. >> the nba championship, absolutely. you got it. >> and last year, when you didn't get it, how did that hit you. >> it hurt. any time said i would go and, you know, i feel like i can reh it and it like right therend it doesn't haen, it hurts. hurts. but tell me more. so you were there and you w the lakers takit. >> well, e lakers, aren't the ampionship goes to l.a. now of course. but we're -- weelt like we were right there and we didn't, you know, hold up our end of the bargain sowe got another season and we are loong forward tohis one now. i know i got a teamme of mine that ll help me get ere. >> by thename of shaq. >> what does he add. >> he adds a low pulse
presence that i ven't had. >> so you go down the pat. you got a place you can drop it off. >> absolutely. and even if don't go down the paint i can also give him the ball and let him to wk also. he's gat. nd you're not worried about hi being pusd out 69 way. >> if yone can push shaq out of the w, find m for me. the ralry with could bee, mean most look at the two of you and say ey are the greatest players playing today and the question , you know, who succeeds michael ashe greatest ayer in the ga today. without suggesting, would you have an opinion on that? well, i think no one can succeed michael. i mean youook at his resume it's unbelievabl he's done everything tt you can do as athlete, winning chpionships, individual accolades and everytng. no one can, he'sthe greatest basketball player that ever walked the face of the earth. >> and why is hehat, because of hisbility to win. >> absolutely. >>t the crucial moment.
>> absolutel >> you know, to be able to win this ia team sport and to be le to carry his team and win i the biggest leveno mater what level he was at, the biggest game, he always d that. >> and thedid that after the team was made comple by theoach putting togetherhe rightive guys or seven guys. >> absolutely. >> and you think are you there now wi the cavaliers. >> i think we the. >> you had a gd start last year. >> great start. great art. t a team neede one more solid guy. >> i tnk we havehim. >> is your game -- help me out. is yo game complete? i don't thi s i don't thk so. i feel at years old thers no way thatmy game can be complete. too much moreo learn. too much more to s. too much more to expience. and i feel le ieotten bett every year. >> well, take from the year before to th last year.
better in shootg. better in rebounding. better in team, undetanding the game. >> i think bettern leership. >> ldership. cally. making sure that m guy were always preped to go out and play the game of basketball ery night. >> you have to creat your own presence the for this. >>bsolutely. >> who are your heroes? >> my one heros myother. >> s has become familiar news her enright. >> she is taki more wards than me these da. >>ou can say this is leon and lebron can i speak to gloria. >> exactly. she is takg my phos. she was my numr oneero. >> becau -- without her. >> yeah there is no . >> tre was no fi rock for you. >> no way, n y. the rength that she showed, see, as a kid youind of, yo don't really undstand it uil you get old and you ha your own fily. and now meaving two sons of my own, i have no idea how she raised me or any kid
by herself and not being able to be financially stable. >> in a toughnvironment. >> very tough. >> howo you pay back her other than love? i didn'tean byaterial possessions. >> i just always give back to h by just showing that i appreciateer. don't takfor granted her being my mher. >> you look at all this and you say without her -- >> that's it >> you substitute my head for her head an future on a magazine. >> was there anythg you couldn't, didn't g with this film that u wish you could have gott or in seven years did you get everything you need to tell e story youanted to tell? >> i fl great about the finished product i, there nothinginhere, part of the great thing abt the fill some that it was a truly independent film. you ow,rom like the deepest see of the word it arted out as a school project. and these guys l me be a part of their life.
i ma a promiseo them that the goal ofhe film wasn't going to change no matter wha happened. so five d a half yea in i'm still ing by myself. i wa finally able to bring in some pieces to take it to the neck level. ing in some financi. starworking with a professional crew. that wasn't ing to change the focus of the fm just because this point lron is jt killing in th nba. that wasn't going to chang the focus of the filmat al i couldn'te more excited and proud of how the finished pduct was. it isexactly theilm i told these guys i was going to me seven and a half years ago. i wouldn't chae a thing. why is the tie more than a game. >> it speaksind of the movie speaks for itsel the game obasketball was just a vehicle that we us. i still believe -- >> to show these values. >> i stillelieve it could have been anything it could have been basketbal, it could ve been football it cod have been the chess ub it could have been a cheerleading team or guy, reman or nurs. it showshe camaraderie that kid had and these
group of kid, inner city kids having a dream. and all of tm putting their dreams togethern let's gure out we can mak this dream becomreality. an then havg an adult, which is cch drew, giving us opportunities to make that dream become reality. anwe took full advantage of it. >> i want toee a sce om the filmow and coach drew is encouraging you guys tell me about him. >> words c't explain what coach dr has done. >> it's st anmazing. he is an azing person. he never - he -- when you hear a coach you alway think okay, xs and o he rarely spoke about the game of basketball. it was all about how did he make us becomyoung men. how doese set us u for after the game of baetball. because bastball only last force so long when youan do it at a high level. anhe put it put us in a position to beble to sit down and talk to charlie rose or sit down in front of second graders and give them a speech >> or play golf with bill
gates. absolutely. >> by the way, how is your golf. >> my golf is getting better. i do it a lot better on the video games right now. >> but is it something y want to do, learn, play. >> yes absolute. absolute. >> you will ask warn and bill for a rurn engagement. >> ectly. you know, had that little wager we hado on out there too. >> i remember. take a look. this is coach drew, this remarkable coachho is at e centre of ts fm as well. here it . >> three seconds left. for three, he hason the first half of this basketball game. they have an 11-1 run in the last four minutes and ten sretaries. >> i'm tnking not again. not tw years in a row.
>> it is noabout the xs and os right now. it's n. ness i want you guys to just for one minu try to grasp th thing. have an opportunity that you guys have been gin look around the room, guy hey. let's be real about ts. somef theseuys, drew, will, you will never play another ga of baskeall. >> to be where you guys are at, it's just a blessing that youuys will only understand ler in life >> what's ppened because of to coach dw. >> coach drews still giving those insrational spches to the high schoo as a matter of fact, congratulate, theyust won the state championip this past march again so puts another state championsh under his belt.
>> butt ds say lot about leadership t in terms of derstanding that he couldn't play the game f you. the was no rategy toe bueed. >> wt it was was to understand the moment. >> understand the moment and respect the game and the game gives back to u. >>eah. compare how is with say e coach who coached you in the olympics. >> i think they are very similar. becae coach k is also on of those inspirational guys. , you know, h gets you fired up for the game. but he also allowed to you golay the game. you ow, he kind of sits back and he implements the blueprint and h asks you to go execute it. th is the same way coach drew was. >> taking the "sport illustrated" coverhis was february8th, 2002. all ght, you were a mere what, 17 years old >> 17 yrs old. did everybody there ow that this is where it's going to end up and -- that it w going to be what it isoday? were there just feeling.
i mean - i mean the future was to be had. >> yeah, i mean i can't speak for everyone, viously. but i thk there is the general sense within the communy as time wentn junior year, senior year i thk it was, you know t was inevitable okay, may will go to aop division one school. th was like as sophomore. as a juniori was like i don't think this guys going to college. >> when did youake the decision? >> i didn't me the decision until aft we won a national championship game. my senior year. >> right aer this game. >> right after thagame. >> you said i' going to the pros. an did you council anydy and say listen, i thk i'm ready do. think i'm ready or did lebron know and thats all he needed. >> lebron knew hwas ready. and i give allotted of cred to my motherecause any decision i always make e said, i told my mother she sa okay, at's the decision are you comfortle with. i said yes. she is lik go for it. >> tt is what she ss. if you know your heart, i'm with you. >> absolutely.
>>ut there, if you look back at everybody there, i mean it is, it says someing special also they stay together. >> it's unbievable. and that's the thing. that is thquestion i ways get are they really close to this day. andabsolutely. i meanhey're probly even closer geographicly they are furtr apart a lot of times and theyre all sousy like lebron id. they are allo succeful in tir own rights but when they are back, they are eithert his games. he gs to their games to tch the college games or whatever they are justs close if not closer because their lifes are becoming me full and now they are pa of each other's family life. is unbelievable. it is unique it is unique relationship and i don't think you sea lot of young men have and that isne of the things i found interesting. i thought e film cou look a and hefully break some stereotyp as fars male bonding especially amongst athletesin thing yodon't see a lot of times. >> one thing you need i'm sure you know and i'm not e to tell you but your ther has told you. you need someonehat will te you the truth. >> absolutel
>> if you have pple that have beewith you for t whole ri, they are me likely ttell you the truth righ >> thas right. that is absutely right. >> so the guys are not saying he' the meal tket. >> we call himesman, i ve no yesn around me. >> because they n't -- >> they doou knowood. >>o you know goo. >> a lot of the footage didn clue was the gs clowning each her, he was neveanything more. >> if i'm to theoing what i need to bdoing, they are one. they are letng me know you need to get yr stuff together. >> what did your mother say to you aft the last ge of the nba finals last year? >> well, my mother was at the game and she s just as up set as i was. >> up set because you didn' think you had done as ll as you cou or up set >> up set that we ha lost and our seon was over. because she wants me to continue to be successful. d she knows how hard i work and she know how much time iut into it. for the season to be cut short of what my expectation was, she was kd of up set about that. >> what is interesting about you two you haverawn nojust your classmates
om ago ron but alsopeople like warren buffetwho likes u, admires you, and a whole range of other people. tell me about warren and that friendship. >> warren is -- to be successfulas warren is and he's really successful, he is one of theost -- i think we get along becaus we're kind of like -- we're hum bld by our success we are not -- we don raise our head levelbove anybody with our success. the more successl you get, the more hule we becom ani think you know, u've been around him d i've be around him a lot. he's one of the post wn to eah guys i've ever met. when it cos to just living the life. i mean and you -- looking in you uld never think this y is worth this. anhe has all of this. and why do eed to be down to earth. heoesn't have to be. >> you seek counsel from hi
more than just simply busiss counsel. >>bsolutely. >> abo living and about -- >> it's all about knowledge. i mean he's beenon this world a lot longer than mylf. he knows the ins and outs. his knowledge is of self means more to me than a financiastatement or anything. just hisknowledge of life. >> what do you think the potential of basketbal is internionally? huge. >> it's just beginng. >> it's just begning. >> you have the dre team and this yr and you've got -- in many cases the seco most popular sport in the world, isn't it? >> yeah, yeah. besidesoccer, ablutely. i can remember just five years o going to china. and just recently being there a few weeks ago. the -- howhe game has just oadened and that just fi years. it's he. >>ou are the second most popular basketball player i cha. >> yeah, behin yao. >> i mean don't they
televise all the hston rocketgameback to them. >> yeah. >> telme your all-star am in the nba. >>urrent or all tim >> well, first current. >> my all-star tm current would be chris pl. he's your point guard. >>e's my point guard. >> why cis. chris paul is, he's a unique, he reminds me of my point guard in high scol, ew joyce. the he's too sma factor okay, well i'm going to use that a motivation. and now ris isthe best point guard we have in our league. i hav-- see i have a sit, my two guas between could bey bryant andwayne wade. >> thas hard. >> i d't know which -- so we go -- can't weake kobe a forward maybe. >> yeah, why not. >> let's do it. so dwae wade and kobe small forward. >> and me at the power forward. >> ande putshaq. >> the big guyn the middle. >> put t big guy in the middle. >> we could win some games.
>> with you the coac >> there youo. there you go. i will be the water boy. you be the filmer. we got it. and who would yochoose as a coach. >> w would i choose, so we are going to make you, you will be the generamanager. >> exactly. >> exactly. the coach we are goi to pick -- >> i want be the dan ferry or whatever. we both we to duke, ts coulwork. >> that could work. and the coach, we can -- i me with that team, i mn we can ha anyone with that team. i mean you know. >> we don'need a coach. >> may we don't. >> y we do. >> tell me why you need coac >> because the coach set the playe up to execute the gamelan. you always, you have to have a captain o the ship. and you know you have to have soldis butou have toave the capin to make sure those guys are going in the right direction. >>et's move to all time historical am. we clearly want magic. >> my all-tim storical team is see i'm going to chge roster spots again because i feel like these
ayer kos play any position. and iake magic johnson at th1. >> i would t. >> would michael jordan at the two. that's not bad. >> i will tak rry byrd at the three. >> that's good >> he's really good. >> unbievable. and i would take, s, now here goes the roster spots. i would take kareem abdul jabb. >> so where isy ban bill ruell. >> he's at the five. there you . there you go. there you go. >> that's a team. >> an james naysmith is my coach. the guy who invented e game of basketball. now suppose that team, and you didn't p yourself on, those ar historical. >> thateam playing the team tt we predicted first. who win approximates >> you know, no one wi win, you know why. >> no,he fans win. >> no one will win because if we beat that team,hey would not let us get off the curt and if they beat use wouldn't let tm get off the court we. woulplay all day, all ght. >> you gott. >> you got a lotto do and i don't want to take too much
time. i want to takone look at is segment from thi fm. roll tape. this youn your teaates talkg about the brotherhood that we ve talk about here. ro tape. >> wwere winning the way weere supposed to win. weere winning bydefense. my teammates is like my brothers. and you know, coaches like my brothers. you kn we allare big fans. >> the team seems like mor guys areetting into the mix. >> there is a chemistry. honest leigh last year we didn'tave. and there there is a coitment here to defend. we wanted bause we weng to. we won because we respected coach ew as a coach, a mentor, as a leader. and we have one goal, and that was t win a national championship. and we wouldn't let nothing stand in our way. >> jt want to show me clips and have both of them
speak to it. the next clip is coach k who admire greay as he knows and lebron adduirs greatly from playing for him. roll tape this is coach k on this shotalking about lebron's mind after watching m play cards in beiji. here it is. >> you talk abo him, lebron, just r a moment. >> love lebron. >> when hes playing cds 's always -- >> his mind is always woing. onhe first trip we were at saw him playing cards. they wer't playing for a lot ofoney but he knew what erybody had. what everyone t. an afterwards i told him i said you have a great mathematical mind. and i'm sure none in the world has ever told him that with his body at he has had a great mathematical mind. he ss i knows what's going on coach. and i said well i'm going to count onou -- >>here does that come from, coursense, knowwhat it is, where your teammes are. >>t just a love of the game. and that's anher thing coach drewlways said, i alys paid attention to deil.
i have always wanted to know not only for melf but my teammate, my opposition. i have aays been in te ke that ever since i was a kid. >> roll tape. this i magic johnson. >> i tell you what, this leon james, though, he s it. and he's special. and i think he goingto withe mvp this year. >> do you thk he will ever play for the new yor knicks? >> i tnk --hink think lebron james is denitely going to play in ne york. i don't know which team. but he is definily going to play here. from your mouth to my ears. >> so just tell us not whether are you going to come to income or not go somewhere el. because you ani were on the golf coursand you said me, i'm going to play this year and then look at all theptionsment i owe that to myself and my mother and pele who are a part of lebron's team. >> right. >> how will yodecide? >> well, i want to win. d i have always bee a
winner. and i feel likeleveland can n, also, urse. thout question i think dannand the gms and the ownership have been great. but at the sa time, you know, as an athlete and compitor you want to continue to be succeful at the hight level. so like said i'm looking forward to thi season. it's go stoc unbelievae d i'm not going to be distction for myteam abt the free agencynd anytng like that. but when that moment comes on, i'll be ready for it. >> you will be rey to make the choice when comes. >> absutely. but your goal is to do what cleveland has beood toou. >> been great. >> great to yo you like ohio. >> love it. >> glorijames lovsohio. right. she's even said -- (laughter) >> she saimore than that too but that isll they put out ere. >> what else did she s. >> i d't know. >> so anybody that tri to get you to say wre you are
going to go you cat say because you n't know. >> no, i'm very happy in clevand right now. >> an even hap that shaq's coming. >> absolutely. >>ll right. take aook at this and then i want to you plaex -- exain this and we will leave you. roll tape, one last thing from my friends overat 60 -"60 minutes," here it is. are you aplaceven remoly clo to your peak? >> i don want to say i got a long way to go. i don't think i got a long way to go. but it's ing to take a littlerocess. >> okay, sit down. are you gointo do anything with this. who, me? i' not -- >> you got. >>ow many times can you do that in row. >> on one take, baby, that's all. i'm just one take. >> of all the shots you've made -- aughter) >> lethat be known that sn't no digited, there was no eding. >> ask steve, you can can
ask steve. >> sve kroft will be here to ttify as it happens. >> absoluty. >> so luck o-- sll. >> skill. >> he did that in prtice all the time. that was like all the time. >> a little bit of skill. >> it's like roger federer between the leg did you see that. >> the you go, that w awesome. >> shooting stars lebron jame author of friday ght life and other very good books, a companionook or a becom also out this remarkable story of finding an oortunity and using that opportuni with frnds and through the goo guidce of aremarkable mother. to achieveomething very special, the intereing thing that the jrney continues and we'lsee how it happens. the movie willbe at your local theatres soon, i guess. >> oober 2nd. >> oober 2nd. >>hank you. >> tha you for having us. >> great tsee you again. >> thanka lot. a please.
>> we contue this evening with chr paul in an interview that iid before e conversion with lebro james and christopher be -- kristopher bel. here is the introductio and the conversation with chris paul. >> chris paul. >> chr paul is here growinup in rural nth carolina. he had the commodream of one day reaing the nban his sophomore yr in high school being less than fe feet tall, left little hope that he would even make the varsity team. today he is wily coidered to behe best point guard in the nba. in 2008 was runner-up to kobe bryant the leae's p. he wris about his improbableournalee in long shot, never too small to dreabig. i am pleas to have chris paul at the show for the firstime. weome. >> thanks fo having me. >> what townre you from in north carolina.
>> winston-salem. i'm fm louisville north carolina but eryonenows win stole salem. >> do you t home mh. >> during the summer as soon as the season i ov i'm back but never dung the season. >> both parent as live. >> yes. they mustove having -- having the oortunity to stay in the neighborhood. >> my pares are huge sports fatics and this he are my biggest fans and i love tm to death. >> how my brothers and sisters. >> one older brothe >> and he works withou as a kind of busine. >> yes, sir. >> tell me first abo what you wants tonderstand out long shot. >> yes, the namof the book long shot, never too small to dream big. and it ibout spreadingy story to kids. kidsre truly myassion. and what betteray than to write a book about t challenges that faced growing up >> how many pele said you would nevemake it. >> oh, man,f i had a dollar i -- i would be -- i would be rich. but it is so funny because those sa people are se of my bestfriends today.
you know, and i use that as motivation. owing up my older brother was alwa, you can't come. you're too small. his friends ld me that i s too sma. i was the carona fan growing up. i know are you a dukeie. >> no, i was carolina. everybody, if y weren't a rolina fan than you were -- >> ectly, exactly. so always said i wanted to go to colina. e of his friends mius el used to always tell me, e you too small. you'll neverbe able to go so to one day have a scholarship offer fr carona, it was so fulfilling. and i remember i told mike, i id listen i'm going to wake fort but i uld have went to carolina if i nted to. >> why didn't you go to carolina? >> we was just,it was a better fit nor measketbal basketballwise. it was closer to home. and it a great academic scol. >> tell me howid you it, ough. most of us lk at great odds and have great dreams. and so of us hieve those dreams surprisingly. >> right. >> my answer is alwa just hard work. you work harder than everybody se.
and that seems to b the answer for most people. >> right. >> what was it for you >> for me it was a mbination of the hard wk, but at theame time, i was disciplined. very disciplined and my parents -- >> purposeful work. yes, discipline. and my parents were very instrumental ithat. and i' very fortunate to have a mother and a father whhave always been there for me in erything that i . and it w,you know, i think it's what a 2.0 grade int average to be eligible forate let -- hletic sports. for me it was3.0. it wasn't abt what the hool said, it was out what my parent said. so we've always sethe bar higherhan average. and i ju alwaysave been determined, and like i said, discipline >> did you belie after ur high school, afr your college care that y would , you know, a leadg point guard in the nba. >> i hoped. i dreame, you know when i was in high sool my freshman and sophomoreear in high school i played jv basketball. you know everyone pls
always varsity i was the jv. so gng to wake, didn't know what to expect. di't know i was going to start. thstarting poi guard had an appendectomy beforeur first me. anhad that not happened, i may not have srted my first game inollege. so everything happens fo a reas. and u know, i thank god at i have been blessed with this wonderful opportunity to plaa game that i love. i think michael jordan di't make the varsity in his fresan year in high school. >> right, he got cut. >> he got cut. heot cut. so he had to ay -- >> wt does that say, physically you rentadn't co of age or what. >>ou know t is funny. cause pie brother is two ars older than me. so he was on the varsity team. and i rember my sophomore year, i was like man i want play varsity, i want to play varsi. and the varsity coach said that he could put me on varsitbut i wouldn't get in the game. so i was like , no, would rather play jv and g to practice. we went undefeated. >> what the difference in your game today when you enterethe nba. >> oh,an, when i see
pictur from me, my rookie year, i really loo like a lile boy, lika little lo boy. so i defitely have matured, you know physilly but more soentally. >> but help us understd what it kes to be in the nband how difrent the nba is than colle ball. >> it's very different. and when are you in clege, you go tolasses. the coachs are telling you wh to do and difrent things like that. when you get to the n it is a bunch of gro men. so you know, you come practice and dferent thin like that. but you know, they' not going to hold youhand. you have t do it yourself and i think that's what sepates the greatsrom ju the guys that are in the nba. the ys that are their leader, the elite work hard dain and day out and nev take that break. >> and howabout shooting. >> shooting, that is very, very key. you know with me being sma all the time, was usually a shootinguard onmy team. and then i just worked on my ba handling and tried to mbine it all. but if y can shoot th baetball, it's always a
spot on theeam for you, guarane that you. >> if you can put it in. if you can put it in that hole there ia spot on tha team forou. >> who dyou admire most, who e your -- the pple that i admirmost are my parents. certainly. >> my parents. >> thegave you what? >> ohy goodne, everything, everything. theyave me life. they gave me this opportunit i mn ad, me and my brher when we were growing up hspent his enre 40k) on me and my broer playing au basketball and different things like that. so thenot only gave us that but they just gave us that love d support that not everybody has. >> but you, when you went fr college you played two seasons,orrect. right. and you were nba rookie of the year. >> yes, sir. >> i mean so that was unexpected. >>ight. >> nobody, wn you went to e nba saidhris going to be the nba freman rookie
of the year. >> no, no. >> so how ishat? i mean why is it you constantly surpris people sm. >> imay be my work ethic. and it' all about situations too. i was blessed to go into a great situation. when i got drafted to the hornets there wasn a point guard so i was thrown in the fire. i had an oppounity to learn and play the same ti. you know whereas a l of guys come into tuations and yo learn from the bench. u know. there is a guy in front of you andhe coach is like you watch him, and then you learn. i got a chancto make mistakes and lea at the same time. >> so whats the possibility ofetting you and lebron to come to new york to play? >> i don't know. i know -- >>ou're having dinner wit him tonight. would you find out for us. >> iill see -- his contract is before mine. so -- it is up at the end of e yea >> yea yeah. >> and he clearly going to look the options. >> i'm se, i'm re. >> he said that me. he is going to looat the
options. >> yeah, exactly. so. >> b his parentshis mother thinkhe will stay in clevela. he wts to be close to ho. >> it's definitely posble. i could undetand that, you know. and thatas part of me th going to college wake forest, that was in my backrd. i was five mutes away om my andmother's cooking >> the best confence to playn too. >> you know it. you know it d wake forest is the bt school, rig. >> well, don't know that. although i have great admiration f it. it is just the big fou it is a hug place. >> yh. >> and great sense of competition inhe nba and i mean in north carolina. >> right. >> talk about skills, though. tell me about wh it iswe don't kno about basketbl at the pro level. the competition is amazing. people always ask me whais it like to plain the nba. d you know eryone, you know, i always ta about hothey love college basketball because they el guys in the nba take nights off and this like that. but from playing ithe nba i can speak from expernce, therare no nights off. are you playing agait the
most finel tunedthletes in the world night in and night out. and if you don't bring yo a game you will be emrrassed. you wille embrassed especially in r league. so i know there areso -- noce so many different thgs now. when i fst came in nowt is abo how fast can i do it, how fast i can dit. and nowt is about how efficit can i be. >> h efficient. >> that the difference tt separates the great is that you know, my rooe year i may have ten five shots and made two. now you need to make three four out of five. >> and are y shooting for five out of five. >> exaly, exactly. >> how do youractice, i mean tell mehat it is that, when you, when youant to improve the game in th way yohave, what's the routine. >>es, yes. and that's whai focused o most this summer was. >> this mmer preparing for is season. >> for this seas. is the intensity ofy workts. my wkouts, i made sure they are tough like almost about to die at the e of it. and that way whe i work out, the gam come easy.
>> yeah. >> if i g as hard as i can in the workout whence it comes the games,it will be a breeze. >> how much of it is natural ability and how much of it is simplyetermination, dedication, and hard work? >> ybe 30, 30, 40%. >> is natural. >> is natural ability but the other is hard work. and -- speed, hand-e coordination things like that. >> physicality. >> butajority of it is heart. >> and how muchf it is ing smart on the court. >> s thatee a lot of it. >> which kobe s and lebron has i'm sure and you do. >> right, right. >> and micha had. >> yeah, mjefinitely had. >> mj is the greatest player play the game. yeah, i think so. i'm a huge mj fan. >> and who's better, kobe or lebron. >> oh man. >> who would you choose, w would you choose? >> let me explain e table toou. i ask the questions and yo answer them. >> but you want me to tell
you that. >> it's like duke versus wake. >> i fortunate enough to have been on thausa team to where i didn' have to choose. hi ke on one wing and i d lebron. >>nd guess who the coach was. >> coa k. >> there youo. exactly. and he coming back think. >> yes,es he's coming back >> it is as good tas can get. >>efinitely, definitely. i've always said me scong 61 points ihigh school for my late grafather was the great east chievement i've had. >> 61 pots in high school for ur late grafather. myranted father was murdered by five teenagers. and the y after his funeral i scored 61 points. and he was 61 years old. when he died >> we you determined to do th when you worked on the course thanight. yeah, oh yeah, o yeah. the most high score before that w 34 points in a game. and before the game, my aunt sort omentioned it to me. and was like man is this really possible.
d you know t was two and a half minutes lt in the game and i had 59 points sced a sho and got fouled and that was it. >> how close we you to hi >> oh, very close, my granather nathanial jones. >> is the book that was myest friend. a lot of times kids have a teammate or something like that,. >> and how did you deal wi the sorrow, pain. >> grief. >> iwas tough. it was tough you definitely wanted give up, i didn't think uld play ball any more. but.grand dad wasie biggest fan. and ife was here right now, if he knew i was on the charlie rose show, you know, he would, he wouldn' believe it he woul't believt siously. >> he wod probablyelieve it look athe fierceness of the eyes there. talk about eyes playing basketball. >> it's another wod for me. and it's funny because jt about eryicture i ever d from me playing baskball, my face is --y face is alys crazy.
my girlfriend always says look at your fa. look at your face. and e thing is, is that wh i'm playinbaum i'm in another wod. i tell people m two totally differt people on the court and off the court. >>an i get back to the lebron kobe question. >> oh my goodness. >> just, because are youn the court wi them. >> right. >> sizup, how are they different. >> okay, i can answe that. beuse you can't go wrong with picng either one of them. >> exactly. >> y can't go wrong with pick either one of them. and both of them have strength. >> there is no real answer to the question. >>ebron is a freak athle. >> a freak athletes let. yes, yes, in that shall did --ou said that. >> yes, yes, i did and he knows it o. so -- >> in at he has what. >> he has everything that you you he know, he h the court vision thate and tony, jason kidd, allof us point guards haveness. >> he has that. the court vision. >> right. >> that jason h and parker has. >> he s all those differentype things. >> plus he has -- he has the
physique of a linebacker, you know, in e nfl. >> oa tightened b he is standing 6oot 8. and then ke jtad the killer itinct. >> so kobe has a bigge kill instinct than lebron and lebr has more athletic ability an kobe. >> lebron probably has more hletic ability than anybody, anybody. but it'a lot of fferent guys that have at killer instinct, you know, like to think do too. it's jt kobe goes, hs an asssin, you know, i mea the wa he sots th ball and diffent things like that. will make ahot, you kn, you like man that was a ugh shot but you know he prticed it. you know. >> exactly that exactly right. >> exact. >> it's like pple who can hit these really dficult golf sho like tig. you know tiger s practiced that shot 250,000 times. >> exactly. >> knowing that onday behind the tree,ou know, hooking the ball in the green would get hithere. >> i will have to put this
ball under this ca,ver this- and still it will go inhe hole. >> backeing a point guard. you bring the ball down the court. >> yes, sir. >> y're the guy. you are the quarterba for the team. >> yes >> you pay football in high school. >> yes >> did you want to play football ever professional football >> i did. i actuly played varsity football and jv basketball at one pnt. a little bit backwars. >> in western side high school. i loved it but during the summer i came bac the guys got too big, too strong. i walike listen you can have that. it was too hot dung the summers. and i was like l right, i'm done with football aft my sophomore year. >> you went fromlaying duke to syracuse arting quarterback. >> tt's pretty serious. mend gregg, actually, he was in 8th grade. >> gregg paul he lite bit ofligibility. >> he wain the 8th grade and pled on my team in micrll american camp when
i was a sophore or junior. >> but s that's interestin ke all-americacamp. the way baskeall works toy there are scouts that ha their es on young talent le you. >> right >>arly on. >> right, rig. and -- when was the first time you heard from somebody that you didn't know saying -- >> the summer before my juni year. >> jior year. >> summer before yr junior year. summer before my junior year. all my aeammates were getting letter from colleges. and i rememb i played in a big game i orndo. and all the coachs we there to see andre andall these guys fro illins tes. and my team was a young team and i score 34 points. i get back om theameto losville and the next week i get letters fm michigan state, uconn,ll these colleges tt say they saw me play one ge. i always tell people got colle scholarship off of one game. one me they saw me play.
>> uco is very good about at. >> they same play o game. >> did you reay want to go to duke? >> duke. >> yeah. >> no,o i was a carolina fan. >>ou went to wake. >> right, ght, but sll, you knowarolina and du, th's not going toix. that doesn't mix. >> i like carolin becae i like -- >> ias at carolina basketball camp. >> pook the tookheicture by the tree with the dean. >>t is funny when i playe withthe usa team eveone it pratt i how is it gng to bplaying for auke coh. you went to wake forest. en you play for the u, all that stuff i put way behind you. yoare playing for america. it's not about wake. ate not about duke. it's about winning thigold medal. what are all these illustrations out you. what should you say about them. >> the illustrations werso fun in creati the book because that is me and my other. that is my mother there. she used to we that shall di -- she used towear that
hair style. and 's really a good picture of a of us. my grandfather is here too. my gndfather is in e book look at this picturef me when i was a kid, with a charlotte hornets warp suit on. this is the last page of the book. >> oh, great. >> so this is nathaal jones re. >>ie grandfather. >> the most influential person other thayour moth never your lif >> yh, definitely, yes. he d the first rican-american owned service station in north carolina. >> the you go. >> this is a story abo family too, isn't it. >> it is, it is. >> great to you haven the program. >> thanks for having me. >> one last question i forgot to ask you about. newrleans, how is it doing? as a city. >> better. tter. definily doing bette. you kn, all the main attractions arthere. all the touris are coming back but the city definitely could ill use some help. >>he food is there, the t is there. >> i love it. >> some rts of the city builback. >> right, rightut there is still a lot of work that can
be done. rough my foundation and so many dferent things that we are trying to do, it's going to be back. >> have you met brad pitt. >> i haven't h an opportunitto meet brad yet. but i hopefully i will g to meet him soon. >> you know kevijune son. >> yes. >> he's a friend of mine. 's a good guy too, he's mayor. >> yes, the mayor of sacramen. >> i'm a big fan of kd. he was pretty damn good. >> i wh i could jump the way heid. i was actually here with him about a month ago at an event here inew york. >> yeah. well, list, it ia markable story. is a long shot and dreaming big is a b thing. >> y, yes. >> having having dermination to see those eams fulfilled and onef the thgs too tbviously a basketball book because pay bketball but t never too small toream big relates to anyone. >> the life. >> life, anythingit may not beasketball. it m be school or you are trying to work for any small business o anything like that, jt don't sl yourse short. >> thankou very much.
>> no problem. thank you so mh. >> y, sir. >> come over down to henderson and sees. >> definitely. >> we would welcome u. >> all right. >> all right. >> yes, s. >> chris paul, t book is long shot, neveroo small dream big, an increble story of an incrediblyoung man. thank you for joining us. see you next time. ptioning sponsored by rose communications captioned media accessroup at wgbh cess.wgbh.org