of hate crimes in the us are committed by white perpetrators and there have been those three recent incidents that we mentioned so does don lemon actually have a point no i don't i really don't things don't because you can't eugenio you can ignore finnish and you know you can't write jr you can supposedly. do you know you can take in all those statistics that i gave you know they're also from earth from a respectable part of the us today the trains are still going. to cruise you'll soon the department of homeland security in their statistics ok but you know these these statistics do state that the majority of hate crimes in the us are committed by white perpetrators so did don lemon have a point. i honestly i don't i don't believe that to. know what you're not going to say but at the the very end what's actually being classified as a hate crime what i'm talking about is terrorism terrorism intended to kill americans is being carried out out of almost
a three or three out of every four clip by people being born outside of the united states or what he's trying to the far end was a domestic terrorist a standard you know middle of the country white american that is a force. but terrorism is not just about the actually it terrorism is also about trying to submit fear into people with the pipe bombs that were just sent did not kill anyone but they were still acts of terrorism and you can't deny that the person who was caught by. donald trump supporter is a don which from supporters and if we are being honest really but here's a grudge and there is there is there is information it doesn't matter because it's going to suck your dick right you've got only if we can read it is because alex is up a bunch of different ways you can sit there in julian's him and state that he specifically and donald trump supporter of he was inspired to do that by donald trump that that's not actually in. donald trump has been stated say. beat them up i
will bill you out of jail i will pay your legal fees we have to be right you know it all and we also have a. certain are you asserting thursday let's go and so they really. let me saturday somebody gentlemen let me carry out and that means that i can play live both of you with. it's been carried out by radical islamic terrorist junior i'd like to start mentioning about not hard working working class white americans julie i look at the i'm going to have to ask both of you can i step in please and say well i'm going to look at i'm going to look at the other side now whether or not don lemon was right and i would like you to listen to each other and the ones we've got now you speak. quickly and i could then running out of time all statements like this unhelpful or do they you know are they adding to racial tensions because they're all ready huge racial tensions in the u.s. so should a public figure like that be saying things like. right i mean i think that he was
just speaking truth to power because we have to be honest right now the first organized score of terrorism in the stolen lands norn as north america is white supremacy period we have to be honest about that we have to be honest about post reconstruction white terrorism against black people in places as far away as oklahoma greenwood oklahoma otherwise known as white wall street and these were black people who were successful ok and white posses came in and destroyed that's how the deaths of three hundred people in one thousand left homeless so we're not being honest about that we're not going to get to the root of the problem white supremacy found in the united states of america white supremacy exists in the united states of america and white supremacy is rising across the world in brazil with their recent elections we know there is a white supremacist vacuum that's going to be opened up with the departure of angela merkel so far ok say that there is white supremacy is just also and he has
to be honest about this the president of the united states that i am a nationalist that has visceral reaction implications and i ended that anthony and his sorry guys we've run out of time thank you both hillary mérat one and i'm julie rajan right and thank you both for coming into the fight about it thank you two minutes a lying what do you. that's all i need for now sean thomas will take over the top of the hour with more but first they are naughty and well it's ati's peter lavelle interviewing alastair cook. i have the honor to once again the interview i was to croaky is a former e.u. diplomat and founder and director of conflicts forums and of course we're going to discuss little leagues i was sure it's great to have you back in moscow and i think continued the conversation we had about seven months ago because everything we
talked about the months going still going on there i want to i want to mention istanbul for politicians and one country in that country obviously in syria we had this meeting with miracle to want putin krohn in istanbul the u.s. wasn't there would you take away from the i think it's very symbolic first of all i mean it says very clearly that the whole political process has moved away from geneva from the united states to sochi to a stand to rusher in the leaves and know the very important symbolic event of two european leaders being president patted participating i don't think much substance came out of this meeting but the importance was that the europeans took part and they're starting to engage with a sad and with president putin and that is very
much the key thing and it's really part of what we see happening to i think also quite striking with the images coming from the u.n. general assembly where we saw. while leading whilom the foreign minister of syria actually being congratulated by certain arab states. voiding him like the plague. and sort of congratulating him so i think there is a shift taking place so the shift is in europe. finally taking place and a shift also in the g.c.c. . one that is leaving was even at the general assembly leaving thirty arabia and the a slightly isolated and of course they are probably feeling great deal more icily well then you have exactly where i want to go with the question the story the
saudis change their story a number of times it looks quite obvious to anyone that is following in that area one is playing a game maker here he's basically determining the cost of what the saudis are going to have to cough up. to keep that audiotape in video from the public and of course we have the united states oscillating not very good optics from donald trump when it comes the story here how does this affect saudi arabia's position in the middle east right now and is the crown prince going to stay i think i think. it's actually you know it's not just because from saudi arabia. president one is looking for a cost from the united states and i think this is a negotiation that is being going on and we don't see all of it and i don't think there's been a strategic deal reached. he has called some elements probably that he wants
and those are clearly lay off with the tories and yet they're. released so they can help in the financial continue to support financially and i expect he told the americans and then to the financial war. so perhaps those are already there but it seems that the big thing he is keeping his some of his cause behind away and i think that what. the head of cia who sent in the last days to with the president it seems that she really. he gave a counter threat and said well listen you start leaking those and we will leak things about canal project corruption. and then that project was postponed what is really odd is a human fit into this because you know i've often often said that when you hear
about saudi arabia in western mainstream media it is it's the message the saudis want you to hear this over the last few weeks this is a totally different narrative coming out very harsh. of course in the united states is being used for domestic political purposes against donald trump. but there is there is pressure and there's pressure in the american congress for the u.s. to. somehow withdraw itself from its engagement with saudi arabia of these and be yemen i think i think you're absolutely right i mean why why did this particular killing because of course this isn't the duction of the princes or rather by saudi arabia but i think it caught the moment and part of that was. you can see in congress and in the senate has been an incremental soldering on saudi arabia really from nine eleven but yemen has really. gathered steam in congress and
they are getting very uncomfortable that the country is on the point of starvation half the country is and a terrible tragedy is happening there and that the the united states whose income is complicit along with the u.k. and so they were i think there was a mood to to to look and say well look what is the benefits of this relationship we need really to have a reset relationship with saudi arabia because all this stuff and in washington everyone knows you know the one hundred ten billion of them stands most of those. well follow through from the obama time possum lot of very non-binding right to make it up so i don't think the talk about sort of a million employees sort of going on the dole in america was taken seriously in
washington it's fine for the media but it's also true for takes it seriously in a way i mean it was his first visit to broad and this trip to saudi arabia and it to israel. and it seems at least up until this affair that a lot of people were aware of the mind that trump was some kind of outsourcing a lot of american policy to the israelis and to the saudis because well donald trump wants to build his wall and he's more worried about tariffs and things like that how does that play into it i mean is there do you think there is a possibility for a real reset if there is a reset what does it look like ok you know i think i think it really was i mean i think he like so many americans falls and his foreign in love with. monica and saudi arabia i don't know asking why but maybe maybe my new. role in my mind is part of it quite clearly but it is small amount they are three love it i mean you know. flattery sort of guilt sort of goes dancing around the palace as i've
just never understood but you know but then you know being british i have a sort of different view on it so i think i think it was a part of that he's had a good business relationship but it was all about and here where i do think he's always been serious about helping israel exactly it's been fact it's been been a constant think you know he's always said that he wants jewish tenants in these buildings and that he's employees are like that and when you look to the ceremony for the handover of jerusalem the embassy mood when it was inaugurated the language. used by the american pastor. was very symbolic and talked about in the thick and in terms of intense religiosity and those was chosen by trump and his family and ivanka so i think very much there is
that and that saudi was seen to be special because moment been thelma and seemed to be ready to normalize and recognize israel and they thought this is great in bergen yes and in and in a sense it was to be sort of like a real estate deal in new york that you could i mean you know people joke about it but. one official put it to me and said you know if you have a big real estate deal and you have a problem with you know the tenant that just won't give in and accept the deal and get out of the probity you know what do you do first will you cut off the electricity and then you send in the rats and then you denigrate them publicly in the press so that's what the u.s. policy towards palestine you have. these are the you know all good tenants that need to get to a deal quickly with the the developer but i think now so where are we going with us i think in
a sense trump will clearly trying to keep his iran policy he seems to have a thing about in your reading my mind because it's really the the axis of tell of the in riyadh is the two most important pieces and particularly for a man that's very close to don't run now john bolton has always found he ran some yes it's always about iran and i think they're trying to going to try and keep it about iran and i think this is a real danger in this period ahead because once we go through the mid-term elections until we start the presidential kind campaigning there's only twelve months and really i think you know. prime minister netanyahu will be quite uncomfortable that all this attention is on saudi arabia when he would like it on iran iraq and so how do you get it back on the iran and i suspect that the gateway to doing that is through syria and the so-called iranian forces
that are in syria and when i say that just let me be clear i want to of course through iranian advisor but i don't believe there are any formal arabian units as military formations of. evidence have been is gone they've gone they're not there and they've even left before the airport that is israel how much of the russians have to do with that do you think or later and the russians hear this because they then put in there as three hundreds in the next day so there was clearly an attempt by iran to help pressure if you like in its discussions with the united states they were in with israel and with this room but i do think that what's going to happen i think that trump will try and is succeeding to keep m.b.'s in place moment in selma. and one of the reasons probably is because there's
actually no more any effective rival or challenger candidate that could take. that you make sure of that so there isn't any varial of it and i think the family is in disarray but the other reason is i think now when we see what's happening in the financial markets the united states doesn't want any more instability in terms of financial instability in saudi arabia could just be enough to tip the markets into something more serious so i think we will see. a gathering around washington sort of so-called wise heads saying ok. but what we need to do is put some breaks in the system because what we've seen so clearly in the spirit is serial stupidity and there's no one there to say stop think you know is this a sensible way and maybe even before we go to the break here maybe but on top of it
i'm president it's generally disinterested these actually outsource a lot of this here ok i want to jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion with alister steak tartare. ok let's continue our discussion with alastair cook let's switch gears here and be a lot more broad brush here what is the relative standing of the united states in the middle east now because i think most people in the regions the the war in syria being wound down now there are some threads out there that definitely have to be dealt with the kurds with turkey's position is going to be moving forward and of
course we have the presence of american troops even legally in syria but for the most part i think the perception is that conflict is wound down it doesn't mean it can't be blown up again. overruled there's been a huge shift in pa in the spirit we've seen contiguity that is both physical but also political and agility goings through from iraq to iran syria to lebanon big change taking place politically the balance of power is moving away from the gulf south and to the north of what is absolutely crucial in the question of the united states is the question of does israel and the west retain superiority over the no he's already heard in a previous interview and the exact changed things have changed and now it's quite clearly that they certainly they may have some maybe they don't know how much
superior to see if any they have all the have been a t. to operate but that's changed and without superiority israel come on in snow it's not the army of forty eight it's a different on the it can't operate so this is a really point of inflection for the whole for israel for the united states there they are facing a different no than the goethe is weakening and being weakened more by what's happened with. you would have made it even more isolated within that and we've seen that from the changes taking place we just spoke about so what. is israel going to do either going to go for broke and try and change the situation in its favor through some military action or are they going to try and come to terms with the situation. in the in the region and i think that much of this hinges of course
on iran and in a sense why is america come back to the middle east to stop well in the sixty's and seventy's it was here. security of energy supply of oil supply actually they've come back this time for energy insecurity. sanctioning iran putting the squeeze on iraq trying to please me so anybody else is wiser while in order to try and say to everyone look energy insecurity whereas liquefied natural gas from america so yes it's more expensive but then there's a premium on the middle east because of its insecurity. to balance it all off and i don't think this is going to work i don't think it's going to work with russia so i think overall we're going to see a much weakened american position in terms i don't believe that iran.
production will go to zero i think it will it may deploy a little bit but they will sell one way or another through various means most of their oil because the iranians are traitors and they'll do it in their very experienced being sanctioned for so many years. and i was at a meeting lows in london where all the big oil traders were and they were well on you going to do a back deal with iran and they said no no no we were doing that and someone got up and said but you know but you know there are going to a lot of be a lot of asian trade is a going to get very rich. so i'm sure it will happen so i think the balance is has already changed it in the region and what is happening now is trying to. trump continues and then congress starts putting sanctions and actually paradoxically magnitsky sanctions are likely to be applied only a u.s.
ally in this case one of these in need is a thing to do is it the same with energy here is that the u.s. is essentially. destroying its own turf. z.-y. weaponized thing it i mean we have again going back to that picture and in istanbul when you have the europeans and russians chinese others getting involved in creating an alternative to swift i mean then the dollar position allor is something that will be sort slowly turned into an artifact. actually coming to it in a different way in the sense that central banks have stopped buying u.s. debt. europeans count afford it because of certain technical reasons that have made buying u.s. treasuries too expensive compared by buying german debt and only americans of that pickup the debt and the oceans are going well and we had a really significant event that was not much noticed in august when i actually
when the total of interest payments on american debt that the treasury was having to pay plus entitle me the automatic payments that you have pensions exceeded all the revenue from taxation for that month tipping point tipping point and this year the treasury has to sell more than one point two trillion of debt new debt and rollover perhaps over the next couple of years seven hundred seventy of short term debt and this is at a time countries like russia getting rid of all of their treasuries is coming in a time when trump is suggesting he's ready to start an alms war with russia or in china but the reality is you know i think the the federal reserve increase in interest rates which are likely to become it is going to take the whole market is going to be in the you'll find actually twenty nine thousand a diminished u.s.
because you want you want to have the chinese there are running the military. america needs equivalent of three china's one china because china has about. one point one trillion treasuries and it's more than that the financing requirement of the u.s. for the next three years each year the same more than a trillion every year so i think we are reaching a certain different sort of limitations to. us our inability maybe that's why they're in such a hurry what i want to take a look at now we talked about. the u.s. is relative position in the middle east but again going to back to the photo op in istanbul the russians of come back in in a i would say to relatively big way here i mean when we look at the relationship the russia has with obviously with syria but with iran well implicitly does have
relationships with everybody virtually everyone else in the middle east is russia replacing or is it becoming a key player in the middle east as the u.s. somehow in some way withdraws yes but in a very different way to the to the united states and also you know i think that because i was in afghanistan in the early period i know that russians have no intention of getting over overreaching in the middle east because they're getting their food put through print is syria was very very small so i don't think there's any question of any sort of you know that they're going to fill a vacuum and maybe play the roles of whoever exactly they are doing you know they are becoming the diplomatic center of the everyone comes to the russians are playing this very cleverly they have relations with everybody and everyone comes and sees them and it's true that they only diplomatic service that exists in the
classic sense of having a diplomatic service that actually goes diplomacy no one else does all roads lead in this sort of these roads lead leads but i think it's more than those. i think this would probably be a surprise some of your russian view is but i think you know there are there is a shift in values taking place more white not just the sense of. community coming back the sense that a state needs to be in charge of community but different sense of sort of so verty so over intake. is not just about borders and border police so over and t. is is about thinking so foreign and being sought from and when i heard mr putin talk about you know we are robust we will not give in it's the difference between the even a state which is not as well on doors rich as its opponent can still prevail
because its people. and alert and thinking as opposed to a state that may be richer but who sent its people to sleep a long time ago and that makes a difference it's a different sort of self and a different sort of idea in the winds up with the region is an important change you know the post modernist thought is really invaded in the even into an international relations because of the there there are those who believe in borders and those that don't believe in borders and we have political elites that are not thinking in terms of borders and when you don't think in terms of borders you don't think in terms of sovereignty either and and that's why i say that you know in the west they have a post-modernist foreign policy or postmodernist view of the international system but russia is very very modern which is where russia gets it exactly right because you can't think so over and over and unless you have the backing of a history culture a sense of
a legacy of and of an intellectual depth to which you wouldn't. have even if it's you know it's not all good you know it's a mix of this and it may involve other people as well. well without that you are just a global nothing and so i think these things all going to change and now having an impact in europe as well where we see the sense of the need to go back to having some sort of cultural basis to sovereignty and that without that you come to really be so over an active in a so over way so these ideas and the eurasian one way you don't view the world simply as having a single meaning that iran is a terrorist bad act and nothing else you see you know you look at room a look at it philosophically the international the intellectual tradition has been sin. all of these philosophers and of course who have.
some sort of money to these part of iran and a very popular part of iran but russia is able to sort of say you know well we can deal with this aspect with iran the that we may disagree with them on their relationship with israel i don't know listening to russian relationship with turkey for example exactly exactly but that's the sort of essence of eurasian ism as i understand it is that you know you respect the people have different cultures but you also understand it's multi led culture it's not just a single in westernized idea of mono valence of a single value that you give to here you see it in the western one of these always is the one liner here of north korea or iran for grass airport china. or against us and so those ideas which i think are emanating out of russia
and because russia had a particular experience of you know the worst of all worlds in the recent history i mean of total liberalism economic new liberalism. stalin ism before that is really quite. back in its keep it always to this is all the time we have here went way too fast i was too quick thank you thank you so much for talking to r.t. thank you. donald trump said national security adviser john bolton says that the u.s. does not want to harm allies that trade with you.