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eighty five percent well you want to be ultra rich with six percent market so thirty percent your mom with four hundred to five hundred three first struck at first and we rose to twenty thousand dollars. china's building two point one billion dollars industrial park but don't let the numbers overwhelm. the only numbers you need remembering one one zero you know or to me that was his promise ok so he's flipping it here. we had iran russia and turkey meeting in. everyone puts a nice face on it but it was a disaster it was a car wreck well i think well the very fact that turkey russia and iran walked on something together for the first time when i think three centuries you know if you look at the history of conflict we never could you know agree on something in common you know who's the odd man out i think in this time where it's of course
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president this time. but it's very unfortunate because basically when i talk to syria and so they all agree that the war is a war there was should be all would be quiet should be but it looks like it's going to be reignited in a really big way the problem is that their position has exhausted its potential i mean it's clear that syrians want want peace in the country is exhausted everything is more or less clear you know and the syrians they simply have no guts no desire for forty continued war so they're really irritated by this continued uncertainty about ok ok that's ok that's exactly what we want to get you're absolutely right but they're not so exhausted that they're not going to and they are doing it as we speak right now yeah liberating the city what we've actually seen so far is just the claiming of the low. hanging fruit the real wars are yet to come and they could
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potentially be much much more significant i where the regards to the strategy that the u.s. is deploying in syria i think the moon of alabama blog we would if we were just looking at it eloquently here it is here you are on this literally and this thing is here u.s. military illegally stays an occupied syria dot dot dot underpants dot dot dot what would be wrong to. leave syria and the syrian government falls i mean that's the even if you know anyone reading the same article here glenn who is there everyone has to all foreigners have to leave syria except for the united states so that turks will that remains to be played out here and but there seems to be a move to create in effect a partition right now i mean the u.s. wants to create some kind of state autonomy semi-independent it will be dependent on the western powers primarily the united states no one in the in the region wants
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that may be israel. so. i think that it's going to have to appreciate the situation to the united states in at the moment in terms of what their initial objectives costs of course when they went into syria first supporting this. list. this is what i write whatever you want to call it is however it we want to call it but of course the victims were somewhat clear you get rid of assad which is an important ally of iran you do consider annoyance to. and of course the reestablish u.s. mainly the regional of syria thought differently apparently prettily that. but i'm guessing now we have the opposite the iran has more influence there than it had in the past the u.s. a spin largely discredited in the region and of course russia. security provider so you know if you do if you're from egypt or jordan if you want to. within the region
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from now on you have to also book a flight to moscow so i think that. everything that went for has gone the other way and that's not necessarily a good thing because when you have this winner takes all situation and other side more historically the more you look into i guess the dissenting celine's david ignatius is interview with a high government. white house official about creating quagmires in syria. usually the term strategic patience is applied to the united states in dealing with north korea but the russians have been strategically patient in syria you could tell in turn around blood amir putin is beginning to lose his patience with his partners and with the situation on the ground again the syrians i was in their patience with the war and of course the russians including the argument. in their patience with the so-called international community i mean i watched the. session chaired by a victorious new went on syria and i was just disgusted you know. any reason
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why i mean example the fringe the french said that russia's was the main responsibility for the possible humanitarian catastrophe. prompts warmth cvo france was never invited there it is a former colonial power the french killed hundreds of thousands of syrians in the plaintiff's aintree and now they say this is all our responsibility there was. a north herself who just recently said russia was never going to be america's friend you remember and now she says she's calling on russia in the end of her speech where quote in order atia walk with us walk with your no we're never going to be our friend but walk with us you know and let me decode that means listen to us and do what we say here more that we have this not just a very important very quick the united states has been warned about bad consequences in syria new riyadh in mali the former bro. just over iraq said that
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the civil war would spread to iraq they said no and that's it did spread their african union. african union warned the united states that offer to cut off the falls there is going to be and migration disaster is going to be you know they didn't have the thousand to me there was no isis in iraq and there was no isis in syria has more of we here humanitarian catastrophe we've heard this many many times before look what happened with aleppo when it was liberated was there a humanitarian catastrophe no it was completely forgotten ok for the same thing the humanitarian forces of al qaeda were completely driven from the city. i mean this coming from the united states is simply rise of bull right no one cried about a humanitarian catastrophe when the u.s. was bombing the iraqi cities of. salt or uninvited the syrian cities of rock go bonnie man be when they were
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driving jihadists in this case isis out of western iraq and eastern syria and in fact in enter agency u.n. team and amnesty international on the ground in rocca after the u.s. offensive said it was the most destroyed city in the syrian conflict seventy to eighty percent we go to markets kind of broaden this out and i think kind of look at the interests and positions of some of the characters in this beyond donald trump go ahead i think probably the most important from the very beginning has always been turkey and erdogan i mean without the turkish border none of the u.s. saudi supplies jihadi shipped around the world would get into syria and their role in that as as the base i mean the u.s. bases in turkey for illegally arming training and cellaring the jihadi.
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proxies for regime change in syria were literally euphemistically named the moslems sensors and these were. centers in turkey. in the austin aughrim and this has always been kind of a geopolitical dance if you will imagine putin and erdogan waltzing across the chessboard with daggers poised at each other's back they both of interest russia was trying to exploit the split of you know the disagreements between erdogan and the u.s. and nato especially over the kurds and so on you know and paying lip service to turkish interests in there but what he was really trying to do is cut the other backers of regime change in saudi arabia qatar the u.a.e. the u.s. u.k. france israel out of it right because he could deal with turkey he knew that supply lines you know the open border it was always about turkey in in this latest austin
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summit in tehran we saw the gloves come off and we saw the reality that it's been all along one of the things are going to mean it seems to me that turkey is the ending of isolating itself it is it has kind of a tepid cool relationship with the us what would happen to the turkish lira the situation with nato obviously iran and russia or it with plans he doesn't want to see fall he's the odd guy out here and it's probably not a good position to be in preparing long no i agree and i think that is a limited everyone now from the european to americans russia. have course serious well as well as the iranians don't trust him fully but i think. at this improvement of relations between russia and turkey if the smart pointer can be a bit deceptive i think that this rift between the americans and the turks definitely have given russia some flexibility but at the end of the day as we saw in the in this meeting the. interests are quite different to russia and turkey have
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mutual interests ok i don't call them partners in syria. no i think actually that's the irony of the whole thing that is serious where their interests would clash the most in other areas their interests are you much more aligned so i think that the split was the us and also other interests in terms of turkey considering leaving more to the east i think. weapon sales i think there's a lot of work in there and i think that the gun perhaps was trying to use this is a real real cause of this is the kurds ok because the u.s. continues to support them but people on the ground do you not want in northern syria in northeast syria they don't want to be ruled by. turkey. you know what would you call them they're all their assets ok and then at the same time they don't want to be ruled by these arab tribes that want to be ruled by the kurds so i mean it's kind of a hopeless situation there and then the u.s. is in the middle of a battle well when their u.s.
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moved in and when the destabilized the situation in syria the destabilize the situation in iraq before the consequences were unpredictable it's like starting a chain reaction you know and i'm not to ensure the united states is really guided by interests in this war situation because it will look at their resolves the results are abysmal for us interests the united states failed to pull pull not even then and i western president president assad was not anti western and mildly disagree he was called the reformer yes and the result is that they was they basically lost a very important ally which is much more important than syria in libya they moved in or gay they didn't like he was killed now they have a civil war in libya migration current crisis in europe i see is so great in libya so if we judge the situation from the position of interests a bomb a should be declared the most disastrous bread. and in u.s.
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history you know simply because he's actions were against against the long term us and so. is this just refusing defeat i mean this is double down and keep trying what we've been doing before i mean it explains of rationality isn't just the empire isn't missy on a commune with these ideas right i mean if it's interested in where the results i mean the result side of the ledger is pretty thin yeah i mean they of course refused to see that you know the increased iranian russian influences is obvious blowback to what we all saw at the beginning of the conflict they have an inability to see that and they also have an inability to admit defeat to russia that would have huge geopolitical import you know representatives of russia russia russia on our ground the world they simply can't allow it so what the neo cons have been doing is all along since trump took office they've been planning to use the sea ron spin to make to convince trump to become more active in syria not because of
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russia but because of iran and that has played out in what the u.s. has announced as their new strategy i.e. they are never leaving their illegal military occupation of syria unless iran leaves all their troops home which is a matter between syria and iran. and the syria syrian government that is acceptable to the international clinton so we're not interested in regime change but we're not leaving until we get a government that is acceptable to the international community which means the washington consensus here glenn. we've talked about this subject so many times on this program here but really the issue that we have players like turkey that are unpredictable but one country that is absolutely predictable in all this is iran in iran has made it very very clear that will not allow the current government the political political. arrangement in damascus to be forcefully overthrown that is
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their red line and that's what the us cannot accept not agree with that and do it would also be reasonable to suspect that they might be next in line once it was there from syria so i think it's just help to self-defense as well in addition to looking after an ally but i think their interests are clear because they clearly defined and been following it throughout the whole thing and they were invited here wanted their yes which is was slightly ironic to the americans to set up an occupation so now in syria are calling for the iranians to pull back which obviously one they didn't appreciate they're actually invited to stabilize the country so it's also i mean if there is going to be a permanent presence here then it tells me that we will never get to. a period of peace i mean this goes back to the quagmire comment which i think it was probably bolton or palm pale that said is it because they don't have a end game that they can achieve just keep stirring it up and i've kind of liken it
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to like a roulette wheel you know you throw the wheel you start spinning and then you throw the ball and you don't get the number you want let's spin it again that seems to me the strategy here which is very dangerous well i agree i think that a quagmire as well the setting up the occupation of solace more indication of an absence of a strategy because what they're saying essentially for a look at sishen. we're not sure what we want it or how we can get it but it will delay and see what opportunities comes in the future and we can negotiate with this quagmire so it's expensive. creates tensions and a lot of it lead russia and iraq just like we did in afghanistan by supporting the move just a point to point b. well i mean that you compare it to a rule that i compare it to history i like compare it. will be reverse time but i compare it to the ideal world devolution that really bolshevists the basically a you know spread on the ball i don't it's not historical this idea absolutely i
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mean like we tried them can agree we failed doesn't matter who trading we would try again in germany in germany ok ok about your idea period after the first of the worst of all what russia was a radio ideological bolshevism was really in its early stage were active and believe in itself so in the same way it all reminds me of the is ok we failed in iraq you know iraq is a law and now you rainy and misguided report accidents reported that the next to their israeli territory doesn't matter we'll try again in libya we failed in libya there's a method there you would you cannot be wrong you know people can be wrong individuals can be wrong we picked out the wrong candidate hillary clinton she was to do these if we would have a better one next time but we couldn't feel we couldn't really use the idea. he is a wrecked their ideology is correct so in the same way. this document united nations they're active on the. paramount us and principles of us to see you get
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their idea of the document is that there should be no un eight to reconstruct syria all until there is a political transition or maybe to this little maybe to the little statelet they will get. you know mark one of the things i find fascinating going back to the internal politics of the united states is that this is throwing the dice but if it fails will strops fault isn't it it's his administration well i mean we could have completely ignore that it was obama who actually launched the proxy war on syria if we want but i don't really i don't really see it that way because we see broad bipartisan support you know whether it's adam schiff. and. nancy pelosi doing meet and greets with the mujahideen you know video messages and so on there is broad bipartisan support the the two party war party came here to
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say this is mccain consensus is fully behind you know the u.s. stepping up their aggression against syria no but instead. it was if he stepped down they would blame the other three status has many fathers but failure is a bastard ok and i think this is you know in a there's a bipartisan support at the highest levels against president they want to see him fail on everything ok even if it's in spite of me in spite of the interest of the united states in the world are going to the last word well i agree with what mark said in terms of this a bipartisan interest in this in continuing this what is essentially a failed mission but the same problem i would point out of a lot of people in washington are noticing that this. here the in a polar moment is retracting and there is a vacuum and opening thing feels if you aren't aggressive in its allies yeah but even though recognize that this no one who will have a good answer while what now want to transition to the next go see the point that
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out there that would like to work with russia as long as russia dos what is told so it's not really quite sure what will come next and i think i do. think they should transition to building a wall on the southern border as all the time the kind of gentlemen many thanks to my guests here in moscow this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk. show seemed wrong. just don't call. me. yet to say proud disdain become active. and engaged equals betrayal. when something find themselves worlds apart we choose to look
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