tv Morning Joe MSNBC June 28, 2022 6:00am-7:00am PDT
>> we're fine. >> what does it look like in practice? because i think a lot of people have come out of covid like you thinking it is time for a re-set. they've realized they didn't like the whole set up of 24/7 in offices that necessarily didn't work for us. but what does it look like in practice in self-care. how could people do it. >> catty, it is good to see you. one of my book endorsers as well as at that than we are because they're socialized differently. but when ask you yourself those questions, what do i want, it forces you to change some things. and so if you talk about practical self-care. >> i'm not talking about going to the beach or spa, that is respite. that is great. i'm talking about doing the hard work of dealing with those things from past, your family drama, the things you vchbts resolved or still want to do to
wander and to wonder in this life, to still have a child-like sense of the possible. and i this we've lost that. and think what i'm saying to people is, is that you've got to get back in touch with you. because a happy mika, a happy sofia and a happy katty, means everything else in our life is happier. spouses, children, our relationships are richer because we're fulfilled and most of us just are not. we just drudge along, we're exhausted, we're tired, and we just accept our fate in life and we have to stop that. >> sofia nelson, thank you so much. the new book is "be the one you need, 21 life lessons i learned taking care of everyone but me." and she has a new piece about the book up on know your value.com right now. and katty kay, thank you as well. starting super early this morning. we really appreciate it. it is now the top of our fourth hour of "morning joe." 9:00 a.m. on the east coast,
6:00 a.m. out west. we have at lot to get to this hour including the last-minute hear called by the january 6 committee. the one only and witness cassidy hutchinson aide to chief of staff mark meadows. what could she tell the committee today that she didn't already reveal in her 20-hour deposition and why did the committee need to rush back from recess to hear it. >> what is so interesting, mika, the january 6 committee, i think, they've done a master ffl job of getting the information out to americans and doing it in a way that is extraordinarily compelling. they never over play their hand. i do wonder, though, we're talking about this emergency hearing getting back, blockbuster information, people are saying that her testimony may be -- she may be the january 6 committee's version of john dean. that sounds like somebody is overplaying their hand.
maybe this time tomorrow i will go wow. because every one of the january 6 hearings have been compelling. i think to all americans who love this democracy, who believe that politicians should be held accountable. that people trying to overthrow an election should be held accountable. so who knows. maybe it is this compelling. but my gosh, really interesting. that they called the committee back when congress is in recess. for this emergency hearing. >> that raises the stakes. this is at 1:00 eastern time today and of course msnbc will be carrying it live. especially coverage. also this hour, judges in two states block an abortion ban from going into place. at least temporarily. and voters in seven states will head to the polls today. steve kornacki will be here to break down the races to watch. willie. >> but we do want to start with new detail this is morning. just coming in about the surprise january 6 committee hearing set to take place in just a few hours now.
committee members will hear witness testimony after briefly saying that they would take a break until mid-july. three sources familiar with the matter telling nbc news, cassidy hutchinson is the witness testifying before the panel today at 1:00 p.m. eastern time. hutchinson is a former top aide to former chief of staff mark meadows. to date, the nine-member committee has held five hearings this month on themes including then president trump's pressure campaign on vice president pence, on justice department officials, and on state and local officials. let's bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent and the host of msnbc "the beat," ari melber and tali weinstein. good morning to you. tali, i'll start with you sitting here with me. what do you expect to hear from cassidy hutchinson today. we've heard from her in taped testimony earlier. listing by name members of congress who asked for pardons
she said. she had close for mark meadows and in the room for so much of the discussion in the oval office before leading up to and on january 6. >> well, willie, i expect her to tell us something new. you know, this is what like a trial and just like you never want to tell a jury as a prosecutor that you're going to tell them something really interesting and important and then not deliver, i expect that all of this will not have happened, this emergency hearing unless she had something different to say. but the clues as you said are there. and in what we know about her. that she was around really interesting people. she was around meadows. she was around trump on january 6 and in the days around. and that she also knows a lot about meadows' contacts with congress. so it is quite possible that it will be an expansion of what we've heard before. >> and of course the concern is we're also hearing reports there is concern for cassidy's safety.
one of the reasons why they may be rushing this hearing along. and the mere fact that we have to say that shows again. >> why we're here. >> how the violence and the threats of violence, how fascist rhetoric has inflamed a lot of people and made public servants lives and other people's lives, put other people's lives at risk. so ari, when you look at cassidy hutchinson, look at her prior testimony that we saw, had to do with members asking for pardons. but mark meadows was in the middle of everything. during that time, there were reports that we may actually here testimony that donald trump was cheering on the rioters and perhaps get some testimony regarding mike pence and the hanging of mike pence and whether that was something that donald trump actually supported. >> that is right, joe. i think you and each of your guests thus far here at the top
of hour are emphasizing there is an open question about what exactly is so urgent here. certainly at this moment it is not clear why this witness who has been on tape with these depositions would be so urgent. having said all of that, yes, she was definitely in the room where it happened. we know from those videotaped depositions that she had good what we call primary information. not secondhand but her being there and at the meeting in the doorway to the meeting and people walk in and out of the meetings so they could get state of mind and information and, yes, maybe she has testimony about encouraging and extorting some of that alleged violence. >> john eastman, lawyer and ally of former trump, that is a name we've heard a lot of around the hearings. he said in a court filing, federal agents seized his phone last week in new mexico according to earlier january 6 hearings he urged then vice president pence to overturn the
2020 election results. did so in that infamous memo. eastman send an email to rudy giuliani requested to be on the pardon list after the january 6 attack on the capitol. so, tali, we've been focusing on these hearings and we'll hear more today but there is also the doj side of things. what does it tell you that eastman's phone was seized and some of the other steps requesting of documents from transcripts and depositions, other pieces to this investigation of what doj may be looking at here. >> well, willie, the important thing is that the part of the justice department that took eastman's phone is the inspector general of the justice department. and that is an agency that is supposed to look for fraud and misconduct at doj. so that tells me that they're investigating not john eastman, but people at doj. maybe jeffrey clark who is -- who where a search warrant was executed on his house. >> the same day as the phone was taken.
>> exactly. and we only learned about the eastman known now because he made the motion to get his phone back. which is a really hard motion to win. so it really, what he did is just disclose that he is involved. he made the exposure that he's involved in this investigation at doj. but i don't think he's the target. >> and mika, there is not a lot of mystery around what john eastman did, we saw the memo chapter and verse of what he wanted and expected vice president pence to do to not certify the results of the election. >> i think it is a bad time for him that they have his phone. so developing this morning, judges in utah and louisiana have temly blocked abortion bans in their states following last week's supreme court ruling that ends a national right to the procedure. and clinic doors that closed on friday are now temporarily open again to help patients. nbc news correspondent stephanie
gosk has more. >> reporter: just days after that landmark supreme court decision, many states across country still coping with the aftermath. some seeking abortion facing uncertainty. abortion is now illegal in 7 states. and at least a dozen more are expected to ban or restrict the procedure in the weeks ahead. in both louisiana and utah, judges have issued temporary restraining orders, preventing state's abortion bans from going into effect. abortion rights groups are suing the state of louisiana. argue that is ban violates the state's constitution. >> all of this is a bit of whiplash, though, right? for you and also for the patients, isn't it. >> we've gone from the lowest of the low, to a temporary high. and i would only say to our patients, it is worth it. >> but in most of the states where those bans were in effect, women who want an abortion will have to cross state lines to the 20 state where's abortion is legal. something the group texas right to life is hoping they could stop by putting social programs
in place to help. >> we really want to pay attention to making sure that we're protecting pregnant students and pregnant workers. >> abortion rights supporters say that is not good enough. vice president kamala harris vowing the administration will fight to make sure abortions remain available. >> we will do everything within our power to ensure that women have access to the medication they need, and at which has been by the way fda approved, and they will have freedom of travel. >> tali, we've been talking about the legal chaos that could ensue between states. where maybe texas has a law that criminalized across of state lines to get an abortion in another state. that other state, say it is california, will do whatever it can to have a safe zone for abortion there and you may actually have one state refusing to cooperate with another state. a lot of legal conflicts that i suspect will also end up in the
u.s. supreme court. >> joe, that is right. for the foreseeable future, the big practice cal and legal questions are going to be what could women in red states who need abortions do to get help from blue states. how could people in blue states help those women. and, you know, in this sense it was really, i think naive for the court to say that by giving this issue back to the states they were really going to shut down controversy and litigation. there is just so many novel questions that are spinning out on this. you mentioned some of them about women physically trying to go into abortion providing states, running into wait times and backlogs and security problems. but even for those who are trying to get medical abortions, which is abortions by pill, which are the majority of abortions even now in the united states, in their home states how could they do that?
19 states have already passed telehealth bans saying you can't consult with a doctor in another state to get what you need. merrick garland has raised the question whether some of this is preempted by federal law. so we're going to see a mess of litigation and i think a real chilling effect if people don't know what they can and cannot do. >> and ari, it is hard to follow all of the laws right now because there seems to be a race to the bottom or at least a race to pass this extreme legislation and get it signed into law as possible. where you have in many states a teenager that could be raped or a victim of incest, that of course will be forced by the centralized tate to carry the rapist's baby to full term. and then you have states talking about arrested anybody that cooperates in helping a child --
a teenager get an abortion. so if a 14-year-old daughter is a victim of rape and a parent is trying to take that child out of state, can the child be arrested? can the parent be arrested? how extreme could this get? >> those are the right questions. i think legally it could get very extreme. justice alito made many attestations in this ruling and we're going to see now whether they are true. he said as tali alluded to this would resolve abortion debates in the country. it would peacefully return to the states and that would be better for everyone, and it would be calm and remove the supreme court from the controversy and we're seeing in lower courts that is proving false because there are many issues that still have to be dealt with. he said he's going to provide a racial basis review standard, that is the supreme court jargon for anything goes for these restrictions now because he said
it is no longer a constitutional right and we're going to restore integrity, the medical profession, that is not limited government, that is not conservative with a small c, it was a breathtakingly arrogant claim from a nonmedical professional as he referred to doctors as abortionists. we're going to live in a society now, we're in a different society this week than we were last week. because -- >> yes, we are. >> go ahead. >> no, i was just going to say, arri, and i want to touch on it because i think you're probably, you and tali, should speak to this, you look at thomas' concurring opinion and for lay people who look at alito going, hey, listen, we understand that we've just ripped the foundation out of the right to abortion, the right to contraceptives, the rate to marriage equality, the
right for adults to -- consenting adults to do what they do in their own homes and in their own bedrooms, i know he said, well it doesn't pertain to abortion so don't youy about that. but there is really legal basis at all. it makes absolutely no sense. it is a distinction without a difference. so how do you explain to lay people who may not study the law like you, that actually all of those rights now are in dire jeopardy because any court could look at the legal reasoning and say, okay, well, this legal reasons that supported griswold, it is gone now. the supported loving of interracial marriage, it is gone now. the supported marriage equality, it is gone now. the supported the right for consenting adults and this is so radical, the right for consenting adults to have
privacy in their own bedrooms, that is also been effectively, that right has been taken out of the united states constitution by this decision. >> absolutely. i mean, you mentioned that line of cases. you talk about contraception, that is completely open season now. and alito, for all of time he had to write the draft and watch the leaked version of it go around and decide to revise it, he leaves in there one claimed distinction. is he said, well, the other cases, they don't involve, quote, prenatal life. and the state's interest potentially and potential life. well, a lot people think contraception does. and if we're going to do this by religion, and i respect people of good will have different views about how to conduct their lives according to god and their views. but if we're going to do it by religion at the government level which is typically not how the united states has tried to resolve these matters, then
people do think that and people do have ideas about that. you mentioned sex, justice thomas writes in the same concurrence that he wants to go back to a time where you could jail people based on the intercourse they had. you could jail in that he picks, people that happen to have same sex intercourse and put them in jail for this. he's not joking and this is not a drill and the court has proven that in contrast to most of modern history, with rare exceptions, they're changing the standard for overturning precedent, stare decisis, when we get enough justices on the court, it is not like they waited, this the first big abortion case since they've had three trump justices and they are shredding what were right until last week and the court's legitimate as my along the way. >> we have live pictures of president biden touching down in madrid where it is just after 3:00 in the afternoon. getting ready for the nato summit there.
where the subject will be ukraine as the headliner along with many other topic as well. and so tali, back to ari's point, which is there are a lot of senators in that room during confirmation hearings who took then judge kavanaugh and amy coney barrett who said roe v. wade was settled precedent. now they're willing to take that step and overturn that. why wouldn't they now look at contraception, why now wouldn't they look at gay marriage and you could rest assured that there are people conjuring cases right now in lower courts hoping that they rise on those vieh issues to the supreme court. >> i think that is exactly right. we've talked about the upheaval and the chaos from the opinion as it is written. but there are a lot of off shoots. justice thomas said let's go there. right. and so that is an invitation for these questions around the protection of -- contraception and this opinion said that you
could prohibit abortion from the amendment of fertilization which covers a lot of contraception. so we are already there. and it opens the door to lots of other attempts and i read this opinion in the way this is the most concerning about it, i read it to say that states might even be able to prohibit abortion even when the life of the mother is at risk. and that has all been a red line. that no one has ever wanted to cross but the dissent calls out the majority opinion saying it is baked into the logic of what you wrote. that a state might say, well we think fetal life is as important as the mother's life. no one has done this before. but i do think it is important to take seriously that the logic of the opinion can unfold in that way. and so there is just a lot more to come. >> all right. msnbc legal analyst tali weinstein, thank you and ari
melber, we'll be watching "the beat" week days here on msnbc. thanks for coming on. and still ahead, we have more on today's january 6 hearing that was added just yesterday. we'll speak with a congressman who helped other members put on their gas masks and escorted them out as the insurrectionists stormed the capitol on january 6. arizona congressman ruben gallego will be our guest. plus china takes a major step in easing covid lockdowns. andrew ross sorkin will be here on how that could impact the price you pay for everything. we'll be right back. price you y pafor everything we'll be right back.
there's a reason comcast business powers more businesses than any other provider. actually, there's a few... comcast business offers the fastest, reliable network... the protection of securityedge™ and the most reliable 5g network. want me to keep going? i can... whether your small business is starting or growing, you need comcast business. technology solutions that put you ahead. get a great offer on internet and security, now with more speed and more bandwidth. plus find out how to get up to a $650 prepaid card with a qualifying bundle. every search you make, every click you take, every move you make, every step you take, i'll be watching you. the internet doesn't have to be
duckduckgo is a free all in one privacy app with a built in search engine, web browser, one click data clearing and more stop companies like google from watching you, by downloading the app today. duckduckgo: privacy, simplified. live look at los angeles. at 25 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." just days away from the july 4th holiday weekend. airlines and passengers are both
gearing up for more delays and cancellations this travel season has already seen some post pandemic highs in passenger volume. it comes after more than 800 trips were canceled. >> just crazy. >> why? >> every day. >> airlines cutting more than 500 flights, are people going to get where they want to go. >> no. no, let's just ask our executive producer. >> well he made it -- >> alex courson. alex, your story, what happened to you yesterday, is what happens to everybody i know. when you get to the airport, and it doesn't matter what airline it is, you get canceled. they push you to another flight. sometimes the flight gets delayed until the next day. >> you fly elsewhere. >> do we have alex? >> yeah. >> and in voice only. i don't know about visual.
>> what happened yesterday. >> i was supposed to fly back at 3:00 and then it was 4:00 and then it is fully cancel sod i scrambled and got another flight. but five, six hours later, you're scrambling and so i've got some more travel womaning up in the next week and a half, we'll see if i get there. >> a lot of luck. let's bring in right now co-anchor of cnbc squawk box, andrew ross sorkin live from the as pen ideas festival. when you book a ticket now, and i can't believe this, i can't believe our airlines are run this way now. but we have to book a ticket. and then we have to book a back-up flight because we know that first flight, chances are pretty good that that first flight will get canceled. you're at the aspen ideas festival. what is the big idea to fix this problem? >> well there is a couple of things going on and i think one of the things to understand and it is the worst part about it is
that in the past when flights were canceled, it really actually oftentimes meant that it was a delay. meaning you get canceled and rebooked on something an hour or two later. if you look at data coming out now, when you get canceled, you're now really canceled and can't get on a plane, 24, sometimes 48 hours later. what does it mean? what you're starting to see in washington is a new conversation about what kind of regulations we're going to start to see that may turn out to look more like what happens in europe when there is compensation and it is much more complicate and difficult for airlines to cancel you or delay you and if they do, they actually have to pay out. that changes the entire calculus for the airlines. there is a lot of finger pointing right now about why this is happening, of course the faa pointing at the airlines saying that they have not properly staffed, especially in the wake of this pandemic. and the amount of money that taxpayers paid out in bailouts specifically for the airlines.
this was bailout money that was not paid back. this is unlike, by the way, in 2008 with the banks. the banks ended up paying that money back. that was part of the deal. with the airlines, we just gave them the money. and so there is a lot of finger pointing there. however the airlines are now pointing the finger back at the faa saying you don't have the staffing to actually properly maintain what is going on in the air. so you're going to see a lot of -- a food fight i think. and i think all of that will lead to a secondary conversation around mergers in the airline space. there is a big headline happened today, jet blue announcing that they're trying to buy or raising their bid for spirit. this is frontier trying to buy spirit and there is a three-way thing going on. but the truth is the government unlikely to approve any of the deals because they'll say what gives, folks. prices are going up any way and now you guys are canceling flights every other second. >> and by the way, the recommendation is that if it is
under 7, 8, 9 hours, just drive to your destination. which makes sense. but the trap is, gas is $6 a gallon in a lot of places. $6.50 so that gets expensive too. so let me ask you about kline. lifting some of the quarantine limits for international travellers to come into the country that have been in place for more than two years. what are the new rules and why is that significant? >> well, the reason that this is a significant story is the quarantine restrictions are going to get a lot easier. but the larger piece of this story is not just about travelers coming to china, it is the expectation that the zero covid policy in china may shift. that we're starting to see a slow shift from the government there around what that zero covid policy means. which means, potentially, if you think that they change that policy in a larger sense, across the country that a lot that the issues we're seeing in terms of
inflation, in terms of product costs, supply chain problems, that they could slowly start to get resolved. now we're not there yet. but directionally, the market in you're starting to see it in the stock market today, is a function of the traveller restrictions or the lifting of those restrictions. there is an expectation that some of the restrictions may come off in other places which means that more workers will be able to come back to work and be able to make products in which case the supply problem could get resolved. how quickly any of happens is still anyone's guess and it still depends on china easing up on their policies more broadly. the common thing that made it about the restrictions and relieving people of restrictions suggests they want to start to balance the issue of covid with productivity and that is what people are focused on this morning. >> andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much for being on this morning. and coming up on "morning joe," it is primary day across the country. we're watching several big races including a senate race that
could reshape the balance of power and a key governor's race in new york state. steve kornacki will break it down at big board. plus with the january 6 committee warning about future threats to american democracy, some democrats want to boost far-right candidates to make them easier to beat in november. >> that is playing with fire. >> we'll take a look at that strategy and trend. >> i mean, republicans are already picking people like dr. oz. i mean, how much work do they need? seriously. >> we'll be right back. need seriously. to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about
going to strangle my business. when we got the quote back from pie, it was a sigh of relief. we did it online, and it was done very quickly. we saved about 30% when we switched to pie. working with pie was extremely easy. i can grow my company while not breaking the bank. ask your agent, or get a quote at easyaspie.com.
so they shoot it. hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. just then our hero has a breakthrough. "shoot it, camera, shoot a movie!" and so our humble team saves the day by working together. on miro. welcome back to "morning joe." beautiful shot of the denver big dome. the denver e-commerce cryptocurrency. what is that dome. >> they change so much. i don't know. but nothing captures the beauty of the rockies better than that shot. boy, that is denver. just gorgeous this morning. >> the pets.com -- >> pull it together. my mother is watching.
>> dome. i don't know. they change them. it is mci center, the pets.com center. it is all -- the world com center. so, willie, i'm a little concerned, maybe it is budget cuts but i want the tj cam. i want the acorn cam. let's put it up. >> what going on in there. >> everyone is in masks and their in boxes. >> is this boy in the plastic bubble. should we bring some bubble wrap. >> interesting. >> and coffee shops. you don't have to be in a bubble in coffee shops or nightclubs or bars or restaurants or sporting events or in the e-commerce matt damon crypto carrier dome. so what is going on here? why are you guys still -- i don't understand. i don't understand, willie what, we're looking at. like they're all in boxes.
they don't that in nightclubs. why is that that we treat our office space differently than airplanes, coffee shops, nightclubs, what is it? is it -- did germs accelerate in the work space. >> this is the control room, joe. >> oh, tj is in there. is that the difference? >> no. this is a control room. the show is five hours long if you include way too early and so this is their exposed for five hours to each other. >> to tj. m come on. >> i think it is overkill. >> and we don't put people in plastic containers. hey guys. wave to your family. they're very worried about you. you all look like john travolta in boy in the plastic bubble. we're true going to try to
liberate you soon. if you drive to new york city and see every restaurant is packed and every coffee shop is packed, every broadway play is packed and every sporting events is packed and every nightclub is packed, every consent is back but drive up and down 6th avenue, talking about 6th avenue freeze out. people are walking outside, just nobody is working inside. because oh, we could get covid. oh, but hold on. wait a second. can i call you back. i have to go to the gym. >> don't know. >> and you should see alex and tj at the nightclub. they're up in champagne in the vip rooms. and in this shot they look like defendants in a war crimes trial, don't they. at the hague. in those plastic boxes. but they're staying safe in there and i respect them. >> they are staying safe. i respect you guys. i respect you guys. it is safe in there.
>> i expect a lot of people to be shocked. i expected a lot of people to say, joe, how you could do that? and they're typing away, you know, because they take their computers to coffee shops and nightclubs and they're typing. i am shocked, aren't you? don't you have any respect? i shouldn't have to come back into the office. hold on, i have to go to another nightclub. hold on, i can't works. i condition go into the office. because another -- hold on. i have to go to a bar. hold on, i have to go to a concert. >> joe. >> i'm just saying. >> just stop. my mom is watching. >> hi mom. i just got in trouble, mom. i'll get over it. willie. maybe -- nobody wants to talk. let's go look at the boys in the plastic bubble again and that is a good segue and willie will say now to the next news story. >> here is whatly say about this
group that you're looking at. they've been there since the beginning of pandemic. coming into work. >> from the beginning. >> a team. we love our team. >> and we are grateful and we want them to stay safe and healthy and what their springing champagne in the vip room at the nightclubs. >> well exactly. exactly. keep the resittance up. >> let's get to a maskless vaughn hillyard in denver. >> how about the nightclub stuff. you stay safe. >> at 11:00 after the show, they're not packed with people and maybe that is why it is safe. i don't know. >> >> for everybody that i've just offended, you know, i quote crusty the clown, i kid, because i love. >> willie what, do we have next. >> let's get back to the news. we have several primary races in several states that could show us a little bell weather for what is going to happen in the fall. joining us now from denver, and nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. good to see you this morning. what are looking at there in
colorado? >> hey, good morning, guys. here in colorado, we're looking at-excuse me, we're looking at a primary. >> he's got covid. >> as much as colorado has -- we need -- >> you need to put your mask on if you're going to cough all over the cameraman. come on, let's go. what is wrong? are you feeling okay? >> poor vaughn. >> three, two, one, go. >> i think i could make it through the next five minutes with you guys. we'll see. okay, look, we're looking at a senate primary today. this is republican primary. to take on michael bennet. and the colorado senate seat here. as we're looking at map here across the country, we're looking at a reality that democrats are trying to defend a great number of democratic held seats. colorado is one that we look at as a blue tate but that is not kept democrats and democratic lines of forces from weighing
into this primary here. and i want to let you watch one campaign commercial here because there are two gentleman that are running for the republican primary for the u.s. senate. you have joe day, who is a ceo of a construction company. somebody who has suggested that the federal government should codify limited abortion rights and then on the other side you have ron hanks. who is a state lawmaker who was outside of the capitol on january 6 and he's put up a campaign ad in which he is shooting up a mock dominion voting machine. those are the two men going at it. well democrats have come in and put millions of money to lift up the candidate of john hans and knock down joe o'day. take a look. >> joe o'day is not who he said he is. he wanted to reign in government spending but supports biden senate bill and before running as a republican, he supported
democrats and even gave money to michael bennet, o'day also donated to john hickenlooper even after he signed new gun safety measures in law. no way, o'day. colorado deserves a straight shooter. >> now to that election denier, hanks, he's raised over $30,000 but now millions of dollars have lifted him up and tried to take down john o'day. take a look at what i asked john o'day what he thought about the democrats into the race. >> it seems ridiculous that they're in the middle of our primary trying to make sure i'm not on the ballot. i'm humbled by it but it is fantastic to figure out that i'm threatening michael bennet right now. i'm going to run against the democrats twice. here in the primary, they financed a campaign for a person that can't get elected here in colorado, thinking they would knock me off the ticket. ain't going to happen. >> but you're also seeing that democrats are putting millions of dollars behind election denying republican candidate for governor.
here in colorado, as well as lin election denying gubernatorial candidate in a trump backed candidate darren bailey in illinois. >> the conspiracies start to get twisted in your mind when you're using a gun to shoot the dominion voting machine that you said was controlled by an italian satellite. vaughn hillyard in colorado. thank you so much. let's turn to the big board. that is where we find correspondent steve kornacki. steve, good morning, what are you looking at today. >> well vaughn said it up there. i think with the marquee race is the republican primary here in colorado. where you have ron ranks playing it outsider role running against joe o'day, colorado has trended very blue over the last ten, 15 years or so. but this is one of those races that republicans think that they could have a shot at this november if the kind of red wave they think is out there materializes. but the key republicans believe at least nationally to their
hopes is getting o'day through this primary and vaughn talked about how democrats are really trying to prop up hanks in this race. you have a clear contrast here for instance on this question of abortion. that has suddenly emerged in the wake of the supreme court ruling last week. o'day is running saz a pro-choice candidate. he's saying there are certain abortion protections he would like to codify into law. hanks on the other hand, has a state legislator in colorado, actually backed a bill that would have outlawed abortion in all cases. no exceptions for rape, incest, danger to a mother's life. interestingly here, you have a back drop here of what happened to get michael bennet in the senate in the first place. the winner of this takes on michael bennet. if you go back to 2010, 12 years ago, big red wave republican here and this is when michael bennet first got elected to the senate from colorado. note how close the race was. bennett defied the national trend that year toward the republicans. why? because the opponent he drew in
that election ken buck was seen as out of step, too out of step with where colorado voters were particularly on the topic of abortion. buck had a similar platform on abortion as you now she with hanks so that is why democrats are spending so aggressively on behalf of propping up hanks in this primary. that is how bennett got elected in the first place. he drew a weaker opponent in 2010 and what was overwhelmingly a republican year in 2010. michael bennet got himself elected to the senate barely. they think that is how he could survive this year. if they could knock joe o'day out of the race today. and the other big theme, we're going to see at least two house incumbents lose their seats today and the number could go significantly higher. let me take you through a few of them quickly. two we're going to see, one incumbent is going to lose this race in illinois. they blew up the map. here is two incumbents pitted
against each other, democarie n. and her campaign in 2020 to get the house, it was abortion. she defeated in 2020, one of the final remaining pro-life democrats that was dan lipinski, newman now in a primary with sean castion. one of them will lose and one of them will be in congress. and also if illinois, this one republican. mary miller, rodney davis,er runs with trump's ep dorsment. davis voting for the establishment of the january 6 commission. voted to certify the 2020 election. miller said those votes were stabbing trump voters in the back. interesting test here. this is very different political terrain for both of these candidates. but again, one incumbent is going to lose here. also, mississippi. unfinished business. they had their preliminary a few weeks ago. hooer is the republican primary in the third district. here is where things stood coming out of that.
the incumbent trailing the challenge now cassidy guest. they have a runoff today. guest could lose his seat. also many mississippi, the incumbent in the fourth district held to 30% in the preliminary. he's go-n a runoff are mikey zel. he's a sheriff in mississippi so we'll keep an eye tonight on lauren boebert in the third district. there is a lot of democrats registered as unaffiliated for a chance to vote in this republican primary in colorado. so there could be a number of incumbents in some trouble tonight. >> all right. steve kornacki, thank you so much. we will see you again tomorrow. and following these races. let's bring in democratic congressman ruben gallego of arizona. he serves on the house armed services committee and is new jersey iraq war veteran. very good to have you on board with us this morning. i know -- >> good morning. >> i know you have quite a story to tell about january 6th. and i'm wondering what your
thoughts are about the committee adding a last-minute hearing in the middle of a recess. >> well, i mean, i have no more information than you do. but i think the last time something like this happened was during watergate and that is when the president's watergate when the president's secretary announced that she had tapes of the president talking about watergate. hopefully it has that level of importance. i think the committee overall has done extremely well to lay out what happened, how it happened, who was involved to a point that many of us have been shocked by it. >> i'm shocked by how effective it's been. most congressional committees as you know very well you have people logged on for five minutes. it is horrible. this is something. >> -- cover us. >> yeah. i want to commend you for saying
something i thought for sometime. democrats too often they'll go around and act shocked and stunned and deeply stunned by the trump administration. they're freaks. they're weirdos. they're insurrectionists. i think democrats -- you have said this. democrats should call a weirdo a weirdo. call a freak a freak. these people are freaks that most americans would not want at their home on thanksgiving. >> yeah. i think the problem democrats have is there's a difference between republicans and trump supporters. may have voted for trump but not carrying flags and boat parades and having statues of trump. my point also is anybody that is that enamored with a politician
republican or democrat is weird. don't be enamored of politicians. they're humans and sometimes worse than most humans. it is odd to see trump flags everywhere. the guy lost. you have a life. go live your life. don't base your life on this guy that doesn't give a "f" about you. >> what's the best approach for democrats? i would say, hey, just based on my own ideology, democrats should go toward the center. do what they can to get voters in ohio, pennsylvania, wisconsin. i don't think it's ideological. you look at sherrod brown in ohio. democrats have been wiped out.
that guy, man, he is a powerhouse in ohio why you look at pennsylvania. fetterman, the same there, too. what is it? is it more personality? how people connect with the voters? is it ideology? what's the path forward for democrats to push back on the extreme trumpists? >> you have to go where the votes are. because you see a district full of 80% white people doesn't mean you shouldn't campaign to them and sometimes we go where there's 80% democrats and don't go to republican areas and let them be mad at me and us for what we have not done. we need to fight. i think part of the problem that we are losing now is a lot of times people don't feel like
democrats are feeling for anything. they don't identify us as fighters and people disagree with politicians and political parties but know they are fighting for something they trust them more. the reason they do well is they are authentic. sometimes we are snobby and out of touch. the base of the democratic party is working class. sometimes the politicians don't match the base. >> amen. >> i think that's a clearest challenge for the party is reaching out to all democrats and a lot of them are working class and they're interested in major issues. guns and abortion. they're definitely interested
just like everybody erls in the economy. in "usa today" actor matthew mcconaughey celebrates the signing of the new gun law saying it will innocent lives from those hijacking the second amendment and writes in part yes we will have a mental health issue in the country to address and we need to create guardrails to keep guns out of irresponsible hands. both are true. neither is mutually exclusive. the success of one even relies on our responsibility to the other. the bill is an example of the bipartisan meeting of the minds and hearts that can lead us to reclaim true democracy in america. we each have a duty to protect the freedom and the rights and an opportunity to make more responsible choices as we move forward, ones that serve others and ourselves. let's have a look in the mirror to make the choices that are on us and only us.
we are each in a position to lead in this great country we call america where i have the freedom to be me. you have the freedom to be you and we all have a responsibility to be us. one of the challenges here, though, congressman, is that i think that there are some parts of the american population that are focusing on a different truth. i mean, there are candidates running on the big lie because a lot of people believe it and hard to accomplish a bipartisan success when truth is on the ballot. >> i think this is something that's happening in this country for quite a while. it just -- the problem is that trump took advantage of the situation. there were many politicians who lived and succeeded off misinformation. i remember back in the day when
i was just going door to door and meet nra voters and they would tell me i'm not voting for democrats because they'll turn over the guns to the new world order and the nra calling them up saying you need to renew the membership because you will lose the guns to the new world order. i was an nra member and they try to pass that bullshit and i stopped being an nra member. they used to use it as a voting base. trump started to use it as a tool and then once they used it as a tool it showed other politicians there's value to this, especially unfortunately republican politicians. what we need to do to fight this and something i have seen from ukraine fighting the misinformation is overwhelming truth that's strong and
authentic will fight and win against the misinformation and one area that democrats and republicans, people that believe in democracy in general really need to continue to be unabashedly authentic in the belief that this is the best country in the world and we need to fight back for democracy. >> reuben of arizona, thank you very much for being on. >> thank you so much, congressman. always great talking to you. before we go, tj, can we see the room one more time? >> no. >> no. i want to thank everybody. if you love the show, this is the big reason why we are on every day. they have been going in there every day. >> special coverage. >> since the start of covid. extraordinary. >> that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage in 90 seconds. in 90 ss
every search you make, every click you take, every move you make, every step you take, i'll be watching you. the internet doesn't have to be duckduckgo is a free all in one privacy app with a built in search engine, web browser, one click data clearing and more stop companies like google from watching you, by downloading the app today. duckduckgo: privacy, simplified. we've been streaming all day from every room. the power and speed of this super-sonic wifi from xfinity is incredible.
mom! mass speeds was my idea, remember? get minion net, with speeds of up to one minion bite per hour. [ low screaming ] but that was an epic fail. with xfi we can stream, share, swipe, like... impress your mom with super-sonic wifi. it's unbeatable internet for a more unbeatable gru. i mean, you. good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern. i'm jose diaz-balart. a devastating human tragedy. at least 50 people found dead inside a tractor trailer in the sweltering texas heat marking the worse case of migrant deaths near the border in recent history. we'll get an update from the mayor of san antonio. the house january 6 committee will hold a surprise hearing featuring