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abortion. new polling released today shows that 41% of americans approve of the supreme court decisions, the 59% of americans disapprove. a number that is telling, 67% of women surveyed disapprove of the ruling. in that same poll, 52% of americans to get overturning roe v. wade is a step backwards for america. and earlier today on meets the press, governor officials from both sides of the aisle express their view about the decision and he would impacts. >> whenever you're looking at the decision to save a non-born child, that is the rare circumstance, in this case, they use the power of the state to say, unless the health of the mother is at risk, let's carry that child to term. so when you are saving a life, that is an appropriate role of the state. >> forcing woman to carry pregnancies against their will, that will kill them. it will kill them. especially in the state of arkansas, where there is a very little to no support for life
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after birth. in terms of health care, in terms of childcare, and in terms of combatting poverty. >> also today, new details on what is next for the january six committee's public hearings. committee lumber adam schiff telling nbc news earlier today, what to expect when the hearings pick back up following congress's july 4th recess. >> the next couple of hearings will cover the run up to january six. the marshaling of this mob that appeared on the mall that day, that attacked the capital. and then, the final hearing will cover with the president was doing, and more importantly when he was not doing, as we're being attacked. >> president biden on the world stage with a g7 leaders in germany today. is your summit focusing on the global economy and the war in ukraine. >> we have to stay together. putin is counting now from the beginning, and somehow nato and the d seven would splinter, but
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we haven't and we aren't going to. so we can't let this take the form and has, and get away with it. >> much more on that coming, we begin with a seismic shift, the escalating emotional political upheaval brought on by the supreme court abortion ruling. joining us, now nbc's lauren barrett, stephanie stanton is in austin, texas. mora, what can you tell us about the, crowd the mood there today? give us a sense of what you are seeing and hearing? >> chris, more than 48 hours after the decision came down on friday, we are not seeing as much of a visual representation of the anger that we saw on friday. more than 2000 people here outside the supreme court, some positioned among two groups of protesters, probably argued with each other. today i'm going to take a walk with you, just to get a sense of the couple hundred people that are here. their emotions are still very high. we have a crack here. you can help hear the crowd
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chanting, pro-life is a lie. you don't care if women die. there is a lot of conversation happening. chanting going on. but just before this morning we did hear a lot of individual speakers talking about their experience with abortion, and how scare they were for that to happen. it is something that was necessary for their health. a lot of conversations about health care being a human rights. we were talking about this at the top of the show. the percentage of americans that support the rights to an abortion, that is the representation that we are seeing here. there is only been one or two people that oppose the rights to an abortion. so it is interesting to see that physical representation here, and while i was here on friday there were a lot more young people and women. today it is more multi generational, and there are more man here. i want to show you a conversation that i had with an older gentleman, who is a very personal experience with abortion. >> i have $2. one of whom will be with us later. i had a neighborhood hides from
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a abortion in 1954 or 1955. my mother is a republican leader, but she is a woman's rights hard ass. she has been with the cause since. then we will keep out, it and we won't get quite, because too many women are dying. >> bruce made the point that men need to be part of this conversation, to. anybody that knows anybody that has a uterus needs to be coming this way. he told me. and there has been equally a lot of concern about debt coming from state houses, to see if they will enact a change. same veteran congress putting this into federal law. chris, this coming on the anniversary of the day that game eric was legalized, by the supreme court seven years ago. a lot of concern about clarence thompson's opinion, where he suggested the ruling on gay marriage, and rulings on contraception, should no potentially be up for fair game
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to review those decisions as well. chris. >> concerns are bringing those protesters in big numbers, thank you. meanwhile, 1500 miles west in texas, several thousand abortions rights protesters filled into the streets of austin, saturday evening. and today, more protests are expected in relation to a trigger law that could ban abortions in those states in just weeks. 70 states in austin for us. abortion will become a felony in texas. what more can you tell us about the law and how it is impacting texas today and going forward? >> good afternoon to you, chris. as you, said part of something going on here in, austin texas, all weekend long. they are expected to continue. texas is one of a dozen so-called trigger states. what that means essentially is that the states have laws in place that will make abortion illegal. with the exception, here in texas, of the mother's life being in danger. that is expected to happen as soon as the supreme court enters this decision into an
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official judgment. that popular start. and that will happen 30 days from that point. now, many women here told me that when they first heard this decision by the supreme court on friday, they broke down in tears, fearing for themselves, their daughters, their granddaughters. many of the pro-choice marchers here says this is not really about abortion. for, them it is about bodily autonomy. about making decisions about their own reproductive health, without government interference. again, thousands took to the streets yesterday, marching through the streets here in austin. we talked to some of those women, who shared some of their stories with us. take a listen. >> it is 2017. my partner and i ended up having an unhealthy pregnancy. and i had to go out of my way to find the abortion care. and it ended up -- at the time we went through every antichoice law, and i just want them out here to remind people that abortion is
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treatment for unhealthy pregnancies. it is an issue to stand with a woman and direct them to resources >> that will empower them to make informed decisions. and, say hey, i know you are scary right. now i am with you. your life is not over. >> and, something else worth noting. they are about 80 district attorneys around the country who have come out, including the district attorney right here in texas, who have come out in support of abortion rights for women, saying that they will not prosecute anyone who was involved in abortion care. another message that these pro-choice marchers want to get out there is that this will in no way stop abortions. it will only change the landscape. they say that abortion tourism will likely happen. people going to other states to receive abortion care. we are already seeing, companies chris, as you know, coming in and saying that they will support travel for women
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who need to seek abortion care. now, the protests here in austin, they will continue coming up this evening there will be a big rally for reproductive rights. that will include gubernatorial candidate bidar o'rourke. that happens a 5:00 local time. >> we'll be watching for that, thank you. joining me now president of the pro-choice organization near all. thanks for joining us. i want to start with, they have all this anger and fear in people taking to the streets, but what is next. 34 senators are calling on president biden to take bold action. from where you are sitting right now, what does bold action look like in this moment? >> i think the president and the vice president, secretary gore sarah and others made a good start, and a very strong public statement. there's new website, reproductive rights dot org, and -- with the fda to protect important drugs like the abortion pill. and really clear direction to
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ensure that the medications like contraception's and the abortion pill are available. public education is very important. that being said we do hope that in the coming weeks we will see a more robust response from the white house, in addition to the really meaningful work that they've done in the last few days. i know that our friends in the house have asked about a public health emergency being made, being called for, and utilizing national authorities is one option. bottom, line the white house, i will say this, and the gender policy council, have an incredibly close allies to the movement. they've been meeting with, us meeting with providers, secretary sarah was on a planned parenthood clinic when the news came out. so we know they are hearing from folks, and i have full confidence they are going to do what they can. >> let me look at this one 30,000 feet, if i can. it much the same way as they have for decades, the anti abortion movement has used the time since the dropped
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continuously to formulate a strategy. and i want to point it was mallory carroll, of the susan b anthony list, told me on friday. >> we have been talking to governors across the country, saying them as the real consensus builders having to leave the conversations in a lot of these states. , that is one of the first option is going to be. and we are expanding our team to replicate the success that we have had at the federal level, to leverage politics, and policy. to stand up with people who say they are pro-life, we want to protect children and women. you want to pass consensus legislation at the state level, to defend them politically, work with them once they are elected. and hold them accountable for the promises that they have made. >> so, a reality check. how formidable of an opponent do antiabortion activists remain? president biden says that this is not over, but obviously they don't think it is either. >> yes, the fight really pays to the states where it is,
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always frankly, ben. but now we have lost roe it is even more so. look, our opponents are incredibly emboldened right now. they are seeing unprecedented levels of funding. dark money funding. but it is a funding on the last. we take them very seriously. on our side, we've been hearing this since this, moment since 2016 election with donald trump became pregnant, we knew we were in risk. where was under, risk under threat. so we are working aggressively, we have announced a significant partnership with planned parenthood. 150 dollar 1 million electoral spent. working with the party committee, working with candidates. and we are getting out the message. the good news is, as a polling you just shared shows, the vast majority of americans are with us. there is incredible outrage. we believe the extremist gop monolith factually party has overstepped. the court has overstepped. and it has really deemed illegitimate at this point. we have a real opportunity. but is going to take a lot of organizing, a lot of engagement, a lot of public education, a
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lot of get out to vote. >> there has to be money behind the messaging. is it a fair criticism of the antiabortion forces have not just been patient and strategic, but real on the ground action, they have a better prepared to capitalize on the moment. they have been very involved in state legislator races, for example in, a way that even on the ground democratic folks will tell you they have not. >> you know, i think they've been paying playing a 50-year -long game. the minute they were lay of the land, they were working diligently to undermine it. we got here today because of the success of local targeted restrictions on abortion provider legislation. that is, what's essentially, the mississippi bandwidth it was being argued in court. it is no question that they had a really organize game. but i will push back and say, we are ready. we are prepared. we have the vast majority of americans on our side. if we can be focused on this
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issue, and we can continue to drive the momentum, which i believe, strongly, we can. this is an incredibly motivated issue for our, base not just for women but for men too. as you're on coverage has shown. we will could really make a difference in this election. >> let me ask, you finally, when you think the average person can do? they are out, there they are protesting. are there, folks for example, taking the names of people who may be registered and getting them to vote. are you seeing a difference in your fundraising, in very real terms, turning that enthusiasm -- anger, frustration, fear, into something more actionable than just protests? >> absolutely. we are seeing that. i will say, as a movement we are really pushing funding to abortion providers in abortion funds on the frontline, providing access. but yes. on the political action side, all of our organizations are seeing a bump in registrations and saunders. we have 100 members on the merchants ecologist hours after
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the decision was released. i lived in philadelphia, seven withdraw shapiro. who has a really important race for governor here in pennsylvania, against an incredible anti-towards extremist doug mastriano. we had an incredible crowd, great energy, and the local party is doing registration and turnout. we are partnering with them. there is a lot of opportunity on the ground. we are seeing a lot of an issue by candidates in these races. and then all of these governors races are going to be critical to holding the line for us. so i think the front answer is yes. mini timmaraju, think so much are taking the time to talk to us today. we appreciate it. -- and the concerns that gay marriage could be next. take a look at this, the new york city pride parade. we are going to go live from there. you're watching a special sunday edition of christensen reports. f christense reports.
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breaking news, this is a live look at the third day of protest outside the supreme court in the wake of their abortion ruling. also today, this is in cities across america, pride activists are gathering to march in what is normally and affirming gathering of lgbtq americans and their supporters. but today, those celebrations kick off under new fears, brought on by clarence thomas is writing in the abortion case. suggesting the right to same sex marriage could be overturned next. in fact, there's a cbs poll released today, it finds 57% of americans believe it is likely that the supreme court will limit same-sex marriage. only 43% say that is unlikely. jonathan kaye part is on the root of the game pride parade here in new york city. it's good to see you, my friend. look, 57%. does that poll numbers surprise you? and what are the conversations and concerns you are hearing where you are there? >> the poll numbers does not
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surprise me. especially given what supreme court justice clarence thomas wrote in his concurring opinion of that ruling that said that roe v. wade was overturned. where he said that he wanted to go -- believe the court should reconsider cases chess as griswold, lawrence and obergefell. obergefell being the right of same-sex couples to marry. like me. so when you read a supreme court justice, and not just any supreme court justice, the senior justice on supreme court saying that those cases should be reconsidered, it is understandable while people think the supreme court will make a move on it. a lot of high-profile democratic politicians are there. you interviewed many of them for your show just a little earlier. sought leaders. i wonder if you are feeling a little better today, a little more positive about the strategic plans that are being had. i just, like, when we spoke on friday, i mean, and i think most of our viewers know that
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you are married to nick. and the threat that potentially poses to your marriage. i am wondering if you feel any better today haven't spoken to people. do they have a plan? >> we didn't talk about specific plans. would i do know is this, chris, there is anger. and the anger is fueling the energy to get out there and to ensure that there are politicians who are elected or reelected who will affirm the rights of american citizens. whether that is women, and giving them the ability to have an abortion if they need it, wherever they so truth. and that means stopping a federal effort, potential federal effort to ban abortion. also, ensuring that the rights and dignity of lgbtq americans are respected. they all saw the concurring opinion from justice thomas as a warning shot. and as a galvanizing moment to say to the base, quite frankly,
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you have to get out there, you have to go do more than demonstrate. you have to go door to door. you have to go to the ballot box. and then you have to kee kate a, the president and ceo of glaad, the lgbtq avocation so ca shun said, quote, we will never go back to the dark days of being shut out of hospital rooms, left off of death certificates, refused spousal benefit, or any of the other humiliations that took place in the years before obergefell. but realistically, jonathan, given the makeup of the court. how big, how difficult is the fight, as you see it shaping up? >> it's huge. there is a conservative super majority on the supreme court. six conservatives. three liberals. and this is especially significant because that means chief justice john roberts, who is trying to be a moderated force, is now sidelined as we have seen in the overturning of
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roe. which is why the president when he spoke to the nation earlier in the week made the point of saying that one of the ways to counter this, it's for people to go to the ballot box in november and implicit in that messages, make sure that the democrats maintain their majorities in the house and the senate. and not only that, to increase them, so that you have -- you put the congress in a position to pass laws that would codify roe versus wade. that will protect the rights of lgbtq americans, and get them on the presidents desk for his signature to turn them into law. >> we are out of time, but i have to acknowledge the noise and the size of the crowd behind you. i mean, for the concerns that you understand very personally, it does seem like the turn now in that heat, by the way, it's very hot in new york city today, it's almost like people came out and said, here we are, and we are going to show you. it feels like from here a show a forest, of the feel like
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there? >> yeah. oh, absolutely. this march has always been a festive moment in new york city. the last sunday of june is always the pride march in new york city. as you can tell, there's lots of excitement, lots of folks on floats like this that are going by. people waving rainbow flags. but you know beneath the celebration, chris, there is worry, there is thanks, there is anger. but i also, i dare say, it also energy. these folks, for the first time, a lot of, them have seen a constitutional right taken away from fellow american citizens. and also have learned from another justice of the supreme court, that he is going to go after their rights to. so, don't be fooled by this celebration back here, by the merriment back here, there's seriousness behind these cheers. these marches have been going on since the stonewall riots in
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1969. and i think now there's a sense of urgency behind these cheers that i don't think we have seen in a very long time. >> jonathan, i want to let people know they should be sure to watch pride of stage and screen with jonathan kaye part. it's a special tonight ten eastern on nbc, and streaming on peacock. jonathan, thank you very much. justice clarence thomas did layout clearly the possibility of the erosion of other constitutional rights when he writes, alone, in his concurring decision, we should reconsider all of this courts substantive due process precedents, including griswold, lawrence and obergefell. these are the cases establishing the rights to contraception, same sex consensual relations, and same sex marriage. joining me now are msnbc legal analyst, barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney in michigan. and charles coleman, -- it's good to see both of you. barbara, with the justice thomas's comments portend for
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the future do you think? >> i think he said out loud what justice alito would not in his majority opinion. and that is with -- if you look at the logic, it says abortion is not mention in the constitution. this idea of substantive due process can only last if it's part of our history and condition -- in this country. but because abortion is one of those things, it's not protected by the constitution. the same argument can be made about those are the rights. contraception, consensual relations between people in the privacy of their own bedroom, or same-sex marriage. all of those same arguments can be made about those things. and so although the dots cases focused solely on abortion, the same argument can be extended to those other rights. i think people are right to be concerned with those rights will be next. >> charles, when judge alito writes in the majority decision, i'm going to quoting here, nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedent that did not concern abortion. do you find that reassuring it'll? >> no, chris, i, don't i think
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that's a thing about the supreme court the people have to understand. they are not always -- the right because they always last. would i mean by that is, they have the opportunities to, as they have in this case, go back and change their position on different things if they so see fit. and so i don't find a level of comfort and justice alito's comments in this case, despite the fact that he tried to be limiting in terms of discussing the scope of with this opinion covered. >> let's talk about the specifics, barbara. for example, what is the likelihood of legal battles to water now two key points of discussion, abortion pills and going to another state for health care? could those things be criminalized? >> i think so. because for abortion pills, it depends on the language of the statue. but if the statute talks about, as michigan does, causing a miscarriage in a pregnant person, then a prescribed of pills is guilty as anyone who
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performs an abortion. as for travel, at the moment, that appears to be lawful. but we know that some states are actually exploring criminal laws that would make it a crime to leave the state for that purpose. justice kavanaugh addressed this in his concurring opinion, and said that would be unconstitutional as an illegal restraint on travel. but i think someone's gonna try. it will be tested before the court. and the same court will be the one that gets to make the decision about it. i don't have a lot of confidence in justice kavanaugh's prognostication. >> we're seeing some of the strategies being put to place, charles, vice president kamala harris met with state attorney general from seven states, highlighting the role they are going to play in making -- decisions if roe is overturned. for example, i think it was the wisconsin attorney general said he will not enforce the law that bans nearly all abortions. that went into effect yesterday. what power do state attorney generals and local prosecutors have going forward? and is this largely going to be far in the states, at least in the short term?
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>> i think immediately what you are going to see is just that. there is going to be fighting in the states around -- and what that looks like. i think you're gonna have some prosecutors who will make the decision not to prosecute. speaking as a former prosecutor, it's important that people understand the decisions the prosecution -- is made by the attorneys and -- general. not by the public. and so [inaudible] the prosecutor is ultimately the one who makes that decision. now, it's important to understand, i think one thing that may end up happening, this may set up some civil suits in court by people who do not believe that the district attorney in certain jurisdictions is enforcing the law as written. it will be interesting to see how that ultimately plays out. but you are correct in the general sense that a lot of what we are going to see is going to play out on the state and local level, in terms of what prosecutors decide to do around forcing these new trigger laws. >> we also know is gonna be
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some action in congress on the democratic side. one interesting thing, barbara, this senator elizabeth warren suggested, along with frankly 25 other -- they're calling on the biden administration to open abortion clinics on federal lands inside of states with abortion bans. could that be viable? >> i think it actually could. under the supremacy clause states can't tell the government to do. it's the same reason that sovereign native american nations are able to host casinos on their land, even when it violates a law. if there was a federal installation somewhere, va hospital for examples, state laws could not apply to those facilities. so i think it's a really interesting work around. and i think it's one that has illegal potential. i don't know whether there is the political will by president biden to do that. but i think it is a potential work around. >> barbara mcquade, charles coleman, many more conversations to be held in the future. thank you for his both for
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to set tencent sent tens of thousands of americans out of the streets. biden is here at the g7 summit along with other world leaders putting more pressure on russia than vladimir putin. -- is in tel aviv, austria for us today. what is the plan, what are the conversations about? >> hi, there chris. it is so good to be here with you from austria. the focus on this g7 summit is russia's war in ukraine, and really pressuring russia to try to back down and maintain unity amongst the allies early today. the u.s. and its global partners here announced a ban
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on russian gold. that is significant, because gold is the second largest export next to oil. so that could really pack a punch. the only goal here is staying unified, chris. the wars entering its fifth month. there are concerns that, given all these countries are focused on big issues inside their own borders, including and especially inflation on the economy, that the war will start to fade from their focus. president biden's goal here is to make sure that doesn't happen. i think that when he was winning with the german chancellor, he addressed that very issue. >> we have to make sure we have this, alston to get the other. continue working on economic challenges. getting through all of this. we will be much stronger. >> chris, as you know from covering these international summits as well, one of the things that we look for is these unscripted moments
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between the leaders. we got one today. when they seems to joke about russian president vladimir putin, in the context of some of those images that have been released of him, strapped. you see this tooth is none photos that showed him bare-chested, riding a horse? they seemed to poke fun at that. a little bit of levity. but really underscore that common goal of staying unified against putin. now, all eyes will be on tomorrow. presents a lucky set to address the g7 leaders remotely. we will be listening quite closely to what he says. what he asks. for wheelies been asking for more heavy weaponry. more aid to ukraine. as this battle, again, enters its fifth month. i traveled with biden when he attended an emergency nato summit in brussels. that was two months ago. that was when the war witness infancy. i think the challenges that these leaders are facing. from here, president biden will head to spain for the nato
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summit. ukraine will be the top issue there, as well. we expect to hear from president zelenskyy at that summit. he's going to address the leaders, again, remotely, when gathered there. that is the focus. but it is worth considering the split screen that president biden is facing. he is dealing with these challenges on the world stage, at the same time dealing with the u.s. in turmoil in the wake of roe v. wade being overturned. and of course, a number of democrats trying to turn up the pressure on biden to do more to protect women's reproductive rights. dealing with those dual challenges at the same time, chris. incredibly serious business. >> kristen welker, thank you so much for your reporting there. let me bring arizona congressman lagoon by ago, member of the services committee and u.s. marine combat veteran who served during operation iraqi freedom. it is good to have you on a sunday. on the first day of this g7
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meeting, you just heard the report from christians, more reports on ukraine. banning russian imports. u.s. providing another 400 and $50 million in weapons this week. but as you well now because you live it in your district both, political and economic realities, in all of these countries, is likely to test the resolve of the united states and the g7 countries in the coming months. so with that force, the state of this war, on the concerns that some folks are way are waging on vladimir's game, could he win? >> let's be clear. this is the only plan that's putin has. he cannot win in any other regard. whether military or diplomatic accomplishments. the fact that finland, sweden, are now joining nato. and it was going to expand that we stronger because of this action, has already created one failure there. the fact that it is all hinging on ukraine is another. and what's putin is really
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hoping is that in the meantime, he is going to be able to wear down economically, the west. to the point where we give up and he can accomplish his military accomplishments. because if you have enough time, you can receive the weapons and the training. there will be a way to push russia and its territory. but it is a waiting game. when the president and our other g7 leaders where they want to focus on being able to do two things. number, one accomplish the foreign policy objectives that they need to make sure that we have a stable role. number, to deliver for people that are hurting right now. and i think there are a lot of ways that we could be doing that. which i just don't believe is occurring right now. >> what we like to see done? >> well, look. i think that it is very easy to explain to people right now that we are having a inflation that is being caused because of this ukraine or. there is nothing that we should not be able to look at. for example, right now, there are billions of dollars of
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c.a.r.e.s. act money, money from covid, that is just sitting in the state coffers. if we turned around move that money right now is give rebates to every citizen, at least beneath the income of $100, 000, to help them start some through the summer in the high gas taxes, i think we should be trying to figure out worlds we can make savings terms of gas prices. figure short-term alleviation in terms of barrels, bringing down inflation when it comes to retail. anything we can do, really, to help every day working class people get through the next couple months. that is going to be really important. because of, not we are going to lose both a domestic policy side as well as a foreign policy side. >> meantime, let me ask you about the supreme court decision to overturn roe v. wade. because in particular, in your state of arizona, -- i think nearly all of the abortion clinics of stop arriving sore services because there is legal confusion about whether or not the law banning abortion dating back to 1901 is now in effect. there are protests at the state capitol in phoenix, they have
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gotten intense. law enforcement officers deploying tear gas on abortion rights protesters. tell me about your level of concern about the impact of this ruling on your state. >> it's a huge concern upon the impact in my state, but across the country. we basically just all the women that they have no control over their bodies. that the government now controls their very private decisions, private medical decisions. this is an awful thing. and we need to recognize it's an awful thing. women are going to hurt, women are going to die, some women are going to, unfortunately, be scarred for life. because six justices, many of which were appointed by an unpopular and legitimate president, has decided that they know better than what women want with their bodies. we can do it -- we need to do everything we can to overturn this decision. that includes the senate, they need to get rid of the syllabus there and passed the roe v. wade protection that had passed
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out of the house. >> what do you think the chances are? >> i think the chances are as strong as we are willing to push. and i think the american public right now needs to be pushing on some of these reluctant senators. such as senators sinema, and senator manchin. for them to understand this is a serious situation. we should not allow a old law from -- to take away the constitutional rights of 50% of the population of this country. so right now, if you're out there, call manchin, karl sinema, asked them to break the glass. it's an emergency. break the filibuster. and pass a roe v. wade -- that we passed up the house. it's not even expansion. it's just what we have understood as roe v. wade for the last 50 years. >> congresswoman -- then gallagher, we appreciate your time, thank you. more than 48 hours after roe v. wade ruling, how far the decision -- was decade in the mix -- and weather will really motivate voters to go to the
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abortion ruling to energize their voters, new polling today shows the challenge for them. a cbs new -- yougov poll says just 19% feel things in america today are going well. 81% say things are going badly. joining me now, adrian elrod, democratic strategist and former senior aide to the biden harris campaign, it's great to see, you adrienne. look, i think it's a key question for democrats. how do you motivate voters to rally around an issue like abortion? and maybe some of the subsequent tighten issues like gay marriage. even one that significant, when the economic outlook, inflation, war, overall exhaustion from the partisan divide have folks so focused elsewhere? >> you know, chris, we certainly never seen anything like this before. i think we all knew when donald
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trump won in 2016, he was able to put three conservative justices on the supreme court, that overturning roe was a real possibility. to now actually see that happen, it's a whole different level of motivation for democrats. we're seeing younger voters get more energized. do you guys have played a lot of clips of younger voters who had met the supreme court saying voting is all that matters, that's where focuses. in a lot of ways, this truly is energizing the base. i do think is gonna be difficult anytime the white house -- one party has full control of the white house and congress, it's hard in the midterms to have the full control to hold on to both chambers. but i think something like this is certainly going to, especially a key races in the presidents poll, who made it clear today, he looking at some of those very tight races where this, row being on the ballot, not just, row but also, as you mentioned, marriage equality being at risk, this is something that's going to make a big difference to some of those extremely marginal seats. >> i think exactly to that point, a common complaint, frankly, and you know, this adrienne, about democrats by
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democrats, is messaging. and congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez tweeted this, i'm gonna read it from her to. democratic leaders must tell voters the plan. what's the actual need? which specific seats are we focused on? what votes do we need and where, what's dates and races? and what is the return? what is biden congress actually willing and able to do at 50 to 60 states. be honest. details motivate. does she have a point? >> she does. i have to say aoc's tweets in the last 36 hours have been spot on. she does have a really good point. and there is a collective apparatus coming together. the dnc, the democratic center -- so democratic congressional campaign committee, emily's list, of course which works to elect pro-choice women. there's a collective apparatus that's been anticipating this. and it is now motivating their donor base. motivating voters across the country to focus on those races. chris, as you mention, that are very key and some of the states to making sure roe is
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protected. or choices are protected in those states. you look at michigan, for, example we have to hold on to the governor seat michigan. north carolina is one of only seven states where you can still, at this, moment access and abortion. we have a democratic governor. we have a very, very small morgue in the senate. we have to hold on to the senate in north carolina. virginia, you, know we have a republican governor in virginia. but we have to hold on to the democratic senate in virginia. so you will see, chris, over the next few weeks a very specific effort, i think, that is going to have national scale where you are motivating voters across the country to pivot to the states, to focus on those key races, those key 2025 races that are going to make the difference in those states in terms of protecting a woman's reproductive choice and not. >> let me ask you about people protecting other -- get motivated. this is making waves and pop culture. celebrities have been speaking out. i was seeing how the pop singer, olivia rodrigo was at the glastonbury festival. she called out the five justices by name. saying, i am devastated.
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and her a little allen dedicated the performance of ellen song f you to those justices. i think, if i'm remembering, right you work with some celebrities on the clinton campaign. how do you use that kind of influence, the celebrity factor, how do democrats harness that? whether it's for fund raising, voter registration, could that help here? >> absolutely. i think sometimes when celebrities use that voice, it hasn't always worked your favorite. but in this case, it does. because celebrities, influencers, people with platforms who have millions and millions of followers, who are maybe not people who are always watching, with all due respect, msnbc on cable news all day, who are out there living their lives. if olivia rodrigo post something on instagram, if make the stanley and post something, that does alert those supporters, those followers. that fan base to get more energized. and that's why think it is important in this case in particular, that anyone who has
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a platform, whether you're a celebrity, and influencer, whether you have a voice in whatever way. if you're someone who's influential your community, this is the time to use that platform and activate those voices. because they can raise money. and they can just energize a whole new audience does not always following politics on a day-to-day basis. shocking the people aren't all watching us right now. but for those who aren't, perhaps. live an our on, seriously, appreciate you coming on the program. my next guest said you would never forget the sound of a gunshot just outside the house on january six. next, congressman jason crow and the biggest surprises so far from the hearings. you are watching a special edition of chris jansing reports. >>n of chris jansing reports. reports. omizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. (emu squawks) if anyone objects to this marriage, speak now or forever hold your peace. >> (emu squawks) (the crowd gasps) no, kevin, no! not today.
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explosive testimony a new revelations on the events leading up to and following the attack on the capitol. as a result, there are new questions. but with another partner justice will indict former president donald trump. here is adam schiff earlier today on meet the press. >> i think it is a very difficult decision. but i do not think it is a difficult -- that is, to prosecute. but it is not a difficult decision to investigate. and i think the worst-case scenario is not that donald trump runs and wins. but that he runs and loses. and they overturn the election. because there is no deterrent. because there is no effort to push back. >> colorado congressman jason crow joins me now. a democratic member of the house intelligence and armed services committee, and a former impeachment manager. it is good to see you. obviously there are two sides to this question, of whether or not donald trump gets indicted. and that is a legal one and a
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political one. since you are a lawyer, let's start with a legal part of this. from what you are hearing so far, do you think there is a case to be made, and one of the holes you think money to be filled in over the next couple of hearings? >> well, hi chris. i don't think there are two sides to this. there is only one. that is a legal standard. that is whether or not there is a case that would show that donald trump and his closest associates violated federal law. and should be indicted. there is no political analysis, there should not be a political analysis. and i don't think that there is. i think that is the sole question here. in the united states of america, no man or woman is above the law or below the law. regardless of, title regardless of job position. it doesn't bother whether the president of the united states or you are working at the local grocery store. if you violate the law, you should be held accountable. that is the standard. that is with the committee is trying to find out. they will present that evidence at the end of the committee process. and the department of justice
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will have to determine whether or not that is adaptable via a grand jury. >> i think i know now, having heard you say, that the answer to that question. but the political part of this for a lot of folks, and maybe this is a flawed analogy, but of course that is president ford who pardon nixon for any of the crimes he might've committed in watergate, essentially to spare the american people. in your mind, are there any pros and cons towards a possible prosecution politically? especially the cons of potentially a criminal indictment against donald trump? >> i think the only pro or con is not upholding the rule of law. let's put it this way. on friday, the supreme court just overturned roe v. wade. which is something that the vast majority of americans disagree with and is completely out of step with the values of this country. completely out of step with people's fundamental rights. it is the first time in the history of this nation that the supreme court has taken away a fundamental constitutional protection. from americans. from tens of millions, hundreds
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of millions, of a woman. they have done that despite the fact that our society has moved way beyond where we were 100 years ago. now, the republicans in congress, if they win, they have been very clear. very clear. they are going to institute a federal abortion ban. now, they can't do that if over 70% of americans disagree with that. they cannot do that on a level playing field. so they're going to try to break the elections. that is with this committee process is about. trying to look back and see how they tried to do it before, to try to prevent them from doing it again. to bring it to light. to say, this was actually a vast conspiracy involving a lot of people. it was intentional, it was deliberate, it was over a very long period of time. in many people kept their mouths shut until they were forced to come before a committee, under oath, and tell their stories. what is shocking about the testimony of bill barr and others is not what he said, to me. what is shocking is that he did not say it before.
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he only said it when he was forced to say it under sworn testimony. that is crazy. that is dangerous. and i'm really glad the companies going through the process to bring that to light. >> we only have, literally, less than a minute. but i do want to ask you what you are going to be looking for in the two hearings. maybe they could have a third or more to come. >> well, we have to know who is involved whether playing was and how bra this conspiracy wise. there is no doubt in my mind that there was a conspiracy to overturn a right and well run election in the united states of america. we need to know who is involved, when they try to do. and we need to stop it from happening ever. again our democracy, as he saying goes, is one generation away from extinction. i'm going to make sure that this generation is not the one that allows it to die. we need the information, we need to bring it to lie to prevent it from happening. >> congressman jason crow, thank you so much, we appreciate you coming with us on the sunday. that is gonna do it for me on this sunday edition of chris jansing reports. i will see you again tomorrow
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at 11 eastern. alex is back next saturday. and up next, yasmin vossoughian with more live coverage from outside the supreme court. here on msnbc. here on msnbc.
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hey everybody, good to see you again. good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian, coming to you live from outside the supreme court. protesters continuing to gather with the weekend full of -- passion weekend, to the decision to this and to over turn roe v. wade. i talked a woman her daughter-in-law fiancée. gotta play the conversation for you. >> we brought you are here yet today, joanne? >> complete and utter disappointment in scotus's decision. it's a step backwards. and what a shame. i never thought i would see the day where my granddaughter has


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