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tv   The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle  MSNBC  June 24, 2022 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT

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i'm stephanie ruhle, back with you for another hour of our
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special coverage of the supreme court's decision to overturn roe versus wade. the reverse nearly 50 years of abortion rights in this country. this will likely be a weekend, or possibly longer, of protests in the streets. which we have already seen coast to coast. >> complete and overjoyed that it was finally overturned. >> it feels like a betrayal. it feels like my country doesn't love me and appreciate my body as a woman. i can't even chance because i can't say anything. it just it hurts. >> i've had people in my family have abortions and they have felt the regret years and years down the line. and they're still dealing with it and facing the trauma today. >> going back to needles and the whole thing, i'm stunned. i don't understand. >> we cannot organize over it. we have to get organized. and just throw these people out.
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>> eventually we are going to die. women are going to die between now and when we can get legislation passed. >> this ruling automatically clears the way for abortion bans in 13 states. at least six states have already put them into effect. we have a lot to cover. so let's get smarter, and bring in our lead off panel, dahlia, senior member of slate and nbc analyst, barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. she worked at the department of during the biden administration. and a professor with a university school of law. john, a senior editor for politico. he broke the story last month. this conservative supreme court has been in the making for decades, and while today might be shocking, or jarring. should we be surprised? wasn't this a game plan? >> not only was this the game
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plan, stephanie. but it has been telegraphed at every term. this was so clearly decades in the making. this was an undertaking that goes back to the sort of revolution that we are going to lose everything else, but if we take the court. we will ultimately win and in a deep deep way. i think when donald trump took office saying, i will do one thing right for all the things i do wrong, and that is transform the courts. i think we should've believed him because this was all happening in plain sight. nobody should be surprised. >> josh, as i said just a moment ago. you are the reporter who broke the story when there was a draft opinion a month ago. this decision, how close is it to the leaked draft? >> it's almost identical, stephanie. maybe a few small changes here
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and there. justice alito released almost exactly to the draft that re-recorded about seven weeks or so ago. the only differences are he did add sections to this opinion. rebutting both the liberals as the justice for the liberal dissent. and judge roberts in his own concurrency, as he said, that will of course allow this mississippi law to take effect. but it's still left some form of federal prosecution guaranteed for abortion to be sorted out. so there were some solid issues. but i think in the lead off, maybe he really resented the fact that it was made public. because it seems like he went out of his way to really not change anything. >> chief justice roberts was incensed, infuriated, when that draft was leaked. when you got it. what has happened with that
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investigation that he launched? >> i don't know the answer to that stephanie, beyond saying that i know that they have taken steps and there have been things that they have done to advance the investigation. but precisely where it stands right at the moment? i'm not entirely sure. i think it's a tiredly possible that it comes in the last few weeks of the term. or before they go away for the summer. i think it is possible that after doing some initial work, on the investigation. it was sort of effectively set aside. and the question is going to be whether the court decides to pursue it in earnest. whether a significance source of their staff will be leaving over the staffers. [inaudible] >> and now it's been overturned, so the leak's history. barbara, let's talk about justice thomas. because it's not just overturning roe. he wants to now look at
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overturning other rulings. ever writes we have been granted. what does that mean essentially? i've mentioned it in the last hour. when you think about america's historical arc, we have been expanding rights to include more people. and now we are starting to take them back. >> you're right about that stephanie. i think one of the things that is so shocking about today's opinion, even though as julia said, it has been 50 years in the making. it is the first time that the supreme court has overruled an opinion that has taken away a rights that has been on the books for 50 years. and clarence thomas's opinion is very disturbing. because he suggests that while we are at it, we ought to take a fresh look at things like the right to contraception, and same sex marriage, and even intimate sexual relations between consenting adults behind closed doors. and the reason is, frankly, he's the only one willing to say it out loud. because if you look at the reasoning of the majority in
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this case, it is all about this idea that the word abortion does not appear anywhere in the constitution. and the idea of substantive due process, some rights are so basic, that they are protected in the constitution even though they are not particularly spelled out. if we're gonna go down that road, that is the foundation for abortion rights. it is also the foundation for all of those other rights. and so, if that foundation is gone, than the whole house of cards comes down. and so, i think he is really [inaudible] . >> but help me with this rationale, if one could argue that you have the right to bear arms to protect yourself. why wouldn't you have the right to protect your own body as a woman? >> i think you are reading the document it the way that it is intended to be read stephanie, in its entirety. you can't read one section of it in a vacuum and say that you don't look at the rest of it. that is the way, until
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originalism came along in the 70s, third justice of the supreme court looked at it. but now they would say, well, we pluck out the second amendment right here. we have the term keep and bear arms. so it's so factual right to bear arms. because the word abortion does not appear in the document, that is not the right, and we are going to pull roe versus raid. but i think a better way to look at the document is that you have to read the entire document. and when you think about, say the ninth amendment for example, rights that are not enumerated, still exist just because we didn't think to write them down doesn't mean it doesn't exist anymore. they want to believe it doesn't exist. and because the word abortion doesn't appear there, there is no such right. >> delia, we are seeing in some instances a court that is clearly at odds with the majority of americans. especially on issues like guns and abortion. but a moment ago when we were showing a clip of protesters, one woman says that we have to show up and vote them out.
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you don't vote for a supreme court justice. they are not going anywhere. so when people are protesting him saying they are going to take action. what does that look like? clarence thomas? he's not leaving that bench until he is in a grave. >> right, it is such a complicated question stephanie. because at one level, the impulse is just vote. if all those the people who didn't vote, voted, this could change. i think underlying that, we have to just sit for a minute with the uncomfortable fact that not every vote is equal. and that it is not actually a representative democracy because it was never meant to be a representative democracy. so you have to strip out the electoral college, the filibuster, you would have to strip outs a massively male portion. where you have a 50/50 senate. where one side represents 41 million more people. all of that stuff, all of that
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minority, majority rule stuff. that is baked into the way government works, means that just showing up and voting isn't enough. and i think one of the lessons that people need to understand when they think about, you know, 70 80% of americans hate this outcome. 70 to 80% of americans hates the outcome of a gun case yesterday. it is not a 1 to 1 correlation between getting out and voting. this requires massive, massive democracy reform. and it requires, kind of, staring at a supreme court that, in shelby county, in brnabic, in all the gerrymandering cases, vote suppression cases. and increasingly made it hard for every vote to be equal. so i always say, this is not a guns problem or abortion problem, it is a democracy problem. a structural problem. and i think until we really really start to think about,
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why is the filibuster getting in the way of voting rights reform? why is it getting in the way of the women's health protection act? because it was meant to. and that is the stuff that we have to think about. >> so how do you fix it? >> well, i mean, none of these things are unfixable right? i think that there is meaningful effort to reform the electoral college. i think there is meaningful conversation about figuring out why the filibuster has precluded having, reinstating the voting rights act. which was passed by, massive bipartisan agreements. until the court struck it down. i mean, every piece of this can get fixed. but i think in a related way. and i guess this is amalga's to what they are teaching us. if you live in alcohol marie or texas, you are always harder to get an abortion. it's always hard to get an
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abortion. but at the same token, there is never really one person one vote of fair democracy. this was never anything like what we think it is. and now is a really good time to reckon with that, and to say, how do we fix gerrymandering? how do we fix vote suppression? we can do this stuff. but it really requires thinking about [inaudible] . >> josh, come september. the pick ketanji brown jackson will join the supreme court, be on the bench. between now and then, are we going to see the conservative justices try to push a lot more of these types of rulings before she shows up? >> well, i don't think they're gonna have that many more opportunities. but they still have a bunch of cases, seven left to go, that we expect to get next week. including, as julia says, some things that might sound pretty
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wonky and boring. but a very important involving the powers of regulatory agencies. like the environmental protection agency. the conservative movement has always been a two-pronged movement. one on the social issues, and to, and trying to tear down the federal governments regulatory staying. and that project is still very much alive. and very much in the works. and, may even have more support at the supreme court. then the social conservative agenda. in that case, to be decided next week. and of course the case on the agenda for the fall, when justice jackson gets there. there are cases involving affirmative action. it might be the next big decision from the court that really grabs major headlines. >> barb, tell us a little bit about a case that is going to go on in your state. we're all watching michigan to see what happens with a lot there that has been on the books since 1931.
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what can you tell us? and why could it matter to the rest of the country? >> yeah, so in michigan we have one of those laws, sometimes referred to as a zombie law. not the same as a trigger law, which was passed after roe, to come into place if roe is overturned. it was already on the books, as you said in 1931. and it became moot in 1973 when roe was decided. but it was still on the books. and so, if roe is eliminated, it means that that law comes back to life. hence the name zombie. but the law was a subject of a recent lawsuit. planned parenthood, and our government, have each filed lawsuits challenging that under the michigan constitution. and so far, a judge has entered a preliminary injunction. saying that it appears that they may be likely to succeed on the merits. and holding it in advance until she can decide the case on the merits. and i think the lesson for the
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rest of the country is, this idea that these maybe need to be fought in the states. per hats there are states constitutional provisions to protect a woman's right to choose. it's not an explicit issue in the constitution but there are provisions, and equal protection clause, and the issue is about bodily on tony. the same one that was used, by the way, to challenge vaccines, and masking, and shutdown orders, earlier in the pandemic. so there may be a lesson there for other states. >> dahlia, even though before the ruling yesterday, the supreme court had the lowest approval rating. americans had the least amount of confidence in the court. that we had, since monitoring this, it may be a really negative number, which it is. but at the end of the day, doesn't matter? we don't have confidence in the court, but the ruling still stands and has a lot of power. >> it is a great question, and,
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you know, it is important to just stipulate from the get-go. we do not want a slate pop -- opinion. one of three or four justices of mass protections is because sometimes they have to do some hard things. fundamental rights are fundamental rights, it doesn't matter what the polling numbers show. all that says, i think, yesterday's case and today's abortion case. it is not just that the six justices in this conservative supermajority are speaking for, you know, 17 18% of the population that want these radical outcomes. but the justices are actually a part of this persistent effort. and they said, to shrink the vote. and the more you grasp vote
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suppression laws, the more you bless partisan gerrymandering, the more you say this is too hard for us, and therefore, states can continue to constrict the vote. the justices don't just become a sort of, minoritarian check. they can become part of reinforcing, consistency reinforcing minority rule. and i think that's what they're leaning into without entirely reckoning with it. that now we have a courts that is persistently making it harder for majority views and wishes and policies to be effectuated. that is not necessarily doing something for this constitution. it's raw power. >> judges, they matter. valley a lithwick, barbara mcquade, judge currency. and thank you for joining us tonight. i appreciate it. when we come back, the battle for abortion rights is deeply personal for people across this country. but for congresswoman jackie,
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it's even more. she's here to reflect on today's historic supreme court vote, and weigh in what's next for democrats. and later, some states are working to fight back and protect access to abortion if they can. but are they prepared for the increase in the patients? couldn't go anywhere! couldn't go anywhere this has nothing to do with the constitution. this has to do with a cabal of people who think that they can, i'm sorry, -- . who think that they, how do they have the right to tell me or any woman what's she can do with her body? with her body?
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pregnant with a child. i lost the baby. but for you to stand on this floor, and to suggest, as you have, that somehow this is a procedure that is either welcomed, or done cavalierly, or done without any thought is per prosperous. >> back in 2011, congresswoman
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jackie was the first woman of congress to share her own abortion story on the house floor. she and her husband wanted to see their pregnancy through, but the fetus was not viable. and the procedure was necessary for her help. since then, she has fought for the rights to end abortion. i want to welcome congresswoman gaby jackie speier. congresswoman, i said it before. thank you for sharing your personal story. it's important, valuable. i know you have been outspoken for the last ten years about your experience. what was your and reaction? what was this like for you today after the ruling? >> well stephanie, i went over to the supreme court's early. and, the only people that were there where the protesters who were pro birth and not pro-life. and i thought, they had been tipped off.
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i was disgusted by it. this is the greatest setback for women's rights in the history of this country. it pains me to think that i have had this right, and that my daughter won't have this right. i can't believe that we are at this point. and, your earlier commentator said that they were telegraphing that. will we thought, maybe it was going to be a [inaudible] , maybe it was just the roberts position that was going to happen. but to have a whole lot just dead is, it is a gut punch. >> can we go back to what you just said a moment ago. did i hear you right? when you went over to the supreme court this morning, you're saying antiabortion activists were the only ones there? you believe they were tipped off by the court? >> i think they were tipped off. because it was quite early. just right after the decision came out. we were going on the floor.
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i was just gonna run over. i thought, this is odd. there aren't any pro-choice people here yet. and these folks where there. so, i believe they were tipped off. i don't have any evidence of that, but, more importantly, the supreme court now has become a weapon of the far-right. these two decisions, when on guns, and one on choice, it really sets us back in ways that, i don't think that we can totally comprehend. one decision, this basically say that the states can't have this power. about conceal carry. so, everyone has the freedom to carry. on the abortion issue they are saying, we are going to send it back to the states and force you to carry. it's government mandated pregnancy. think about that. >> so if, what you're saying is, the far-right, or the right
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controls the supreme court. democrats have the senate, democrats have the white house and congress. what can you do right now to combat what is happening? >> so there is a number of things that we must do. first is to educate women throughout this country that medication, abortion, is fda approved. it is safe and effective. that it is used in 54% of the abortions that take place in this country. we have to get this out to them. it is uphill that you take and it terminates that pregnancy for up to 11 weeks. >> can you get access to that pill? hold on, can you get access to that pill in states like texas and oklahoma? >> i believe you're gonna be able to access that pill. , now you're gonna have to get into a doctor that is in our state. but they cannot interfere with the interstate commerce and the postal service. i believe. so there are things that we're going to have to do to shore up
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protection for health care professionals who want to do that. there are some of my friends who are now going to get licensed in texas for the specific purpose of being able to prescribe the drug. we have got to make it as easy on women as possible. reach out to the front francisco airport personnel to create clinics that are typically medical clinics at airports. maybe that's where we can beef up the ability there to provide those services. the other thing that we have to do, is we have to use the nuclear option on filibuster. and by that i mean, we have to be getting to more u.s. senators who believe as we do that choices important. that gun violence profession is important. get them elected to the u.s. senate. that will take us to 51 members of the senate that can overturn the filibuster.
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and then we can do things like pass the woman health care protection act. >> so that's something that you would look to do after the midterms. today, do you think you can get joe manchin and kyrsten sinema on board for that after a ruling like this? >> i don't have a lot of confidence in getting them on board, certainly joe manchin came out and said that -- and kavanaugh lied to him. these are two supreme court nominees, three actually, that took an oath. swore that they were going to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. and they sat down, and said that roe was some law. that it was precedent. and within two years? they have absolutely turned it on its head. so maybe that is making him think more willingly too maybe narrowly and the filibuster for this issue of women's choice. >> but, they don't face any consequences for being
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misleading in their confirmation hearings. joe manchin can say, i am mad or disappointed, they lied to me! but he can't do anything about it. is there anything that the president can do today, tomorrow, to protect women in this country? >> i think we have to galvanize support around the country. i recommended to the president, we should have a summit on women's autonomy and right to make these decisions on her own. do it in washington, bring women across this country together to talk about ways that we can guarantee that women have access. i'm sure the women military subcommittee, i'm deeply concerned about all the bases that we have in the south. that now is going to require our soldiers and sailors, and airman, to transport themselves thousands of miles away to get abortions. they can't get an abortion now at the military treatment
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facilities. but they can get it in the communities. now they are going to have to go many states away. it's going to affect readiness in the military as well. >> more talking and listening is very good. but decisive action changes things. the supreme court took decisive action today. and that is impacted women across the country. is there any action that you would like to see the president take immediately? >> while the president has looked at the options and i think he is determined that he does not have the ability, under an executive order, to do more than making sure that the fda has the medication, abortion, readily available everywhere. i think beyond that, we have to put our heads together and see if there's anything else we can do. and have the women in this country now, half of them are not going to have ready access to abortion services. because of this decision, and the states that have already
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utilized trigger laws. or will be passing laws that will prohibit access to abortion. so here we have one decision where you have the freedom to carry a concealed weapon, and another decision that is forcing you to carry a fetus to term. >> and what can be done about? it nothing? when the supreme court makes the decision, the decision is set. congresswoman. thank you. >> thank you. >> yes, that is an option. congresswoman jackie speier, thank you for joining us this evening. coming up next! how some states are working hard to protect abortion rights. we will be speaking to the attorney general of the state of california, about what is next for his fate. after the historic whirling when our special extended edition of the 11th hour continues! continues! sleep from the sleep number 360 smart bed? because it can gently raise your partner's head to help relieve snoring. ah. that's better. and can help you get almost 30 minutes more restful sleep per night. the queen sleep number 360 c2 smart bed is only $899.
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sign legislation to push back against those republican state legislatures and governors that seek to move forward with civil actions against people that want to travel to the state of california seeking their reproductive rights. and reproductive freedoms. >> that legislation signed today by california's governor protects anyone, anyone seeking abortions in california, from civil actions and other states.
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gavin newsom also repeated california's commitments to be a a sanctuary for those seeking reproductive care. with us, -- mister attorney general, unlike a lot of other states, you are not surprised. you saw this coming. you have been preparing the state of california. what is next there? >> we have a lot in the works. we have been preparing for months for this moment, of course hoping for the best but preparing for the worst. we had the view with the leaked docs. so we have the legislature, who have been incredible partners. we have 14 bills moving to the governors desk. most the governor signed today, the bill that prevents any cooperation or assistance from the state of california on civil actions against individuals seeking abortion. or of providers providing abortion. it's a bill that i am supporting, sponsoring. that will also prevent
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cooperation by law enforcement when it comes to criminal actions being brought against individuals who are seeking reproductive health care and an abortion in california. we have 100 $25 million in a proposed budget that will be expanding access to reproductive health care, expanding access to abortion. supporting women in california and from out of state. we also have another bill that i am supporting that makes it clear that we shall not criminalize pregnancy laws in the state of california. and meanwhile, the legislature and the governor are working on putting on the ballot for the state of california, in november, a constitutional -- right to reproductive health care, reproductive freedom and a right to abortion. >> for you in the governor it was not a question of if, it was a question of when they were going to overturn roe. and you just laid it out, you are well prepared for this.
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why do you think so many other states aren't? and we're hearing, we need to get ready, do something now. why do you think so many of them are surprised? >> i can't speak for them. this is part of who we are in california. and what makes a special to, which it is in our dna to stand up for our value to fight. and prepare to have care, and compassion for our people. to do everything that we can to have their back. and knowing that a threat was coming that was on the rise, we leapt into action. and we did it, and i'm very glad to say all hands on deck. from our leaders in the legislature and both houses, our governor, our california department of justice. my team, our california general. our advocates, and activists. in the nonprofit. world all working together. we had a future of abortion council created where we were preparing for this moment, starting months ago. because we saw the tea leaves, we saw what was possible.
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and of course we were -- >> then are you prepared for this massive influx of patients? of women that you are likely to see over the next few months? two californians want that? >> we are preparing for them. we are -- , when it comes to reproductive health care, a sanctuary. anyone who seeks reproductive health care, and abortion. you can see that in california. we have the right to an abortion's life and well. in california, it is untouched by the decision today. and we are a strong reproductive freedom state. so there will be many individuals, unfortunately, who are being hurt and harmed by the trigger laws that will ban abortion in the states, we anticipate 26 states will ban abortion and the woman and pregnant persons in the states will need somewhere to go and we invite them to come to
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california. it will be a huge influx but we are still preparing logistically and financially. we're not lurking alone as a government, we also have philanthropy. and our private sector also in support, of shared values here in california. so we will meet them the moment and rise to the occasion. >> you have your work cut out for you sir. attorney general rob bonta, thank you for joining us this evening. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up, she warned her fellow graduates, but she was just a high school student. about a war on her body, and a war on her rights! the texas valedictorian who sounded the alarm joins us next on the extended edition of the 11th hour as it continues! >> unfortunately, people are going to die. women are going to die between now and when we can get legislation passed. which is untenable, and i don't know how we've let it get to this point. it is just very disappointing! very disappointing! eve snoring.
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law in texas essentially banned the procedure around six weeks. now, with the demise of roe roe, texas is one of 13 states ready to take those restrictions even further. trigger laws expected to go into effect within 30 days, banning abortions across the board, even in cases of incest or rape. some clinics in the state worn, abortion services have already ceased altogether. with me now, paxton smith. she's the texas high school valedictorian who swapped her speech to speak out against restrictive abortion laws. paxton, thank you for being here tonight. your speech is more relevant today than ever. what is your reaction to the loss of roe? >> it's been incredibly disappointing. but i think the feeling that i'm feeling most's fear about what the future brings. as you know, i'm from texas, i still live in texas. and in my home state, they are going to criminalize abortion within the next 30 days, which
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means that abortion providers could spend up to life in prison now for providing abortion care. >> is that with the majority of texans want? you are a college student at you t. when you walk around campus, is that what your fellow students want? >> it's certainly not with my fellow students want, although granted ut austin is quite a liberal campus, but i would say in general, the majority of americans don't want roe v. wade overturned. the majority of americans want abortion to be safe and legal and accessible. >> the supreme court isn't going to change their mind, at least not today, tomorrow or the next day. so, do you think young activists -- young voters like yourselves -- in the state of texas are going to take action after this decision was made? and after these more restrictive laws are going to be put in place, very soon, in texas? >> i think so. and i hope so. i know that my generation is definitely going to be taking
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to the polls and is going to be voting for politicians that favor our human rights and will pass legislation that will value our human rights. when i'm really hoping for, though, is that people of my generation are going to take to the streets and are going to be consistent in their fight in the streets, because part of what we are seeing now is that people are going out and protesting for one or two days and then staying at home and waiting for the next big event. but i think what it's going to take this to get it right back, it's going to take it a lot more consistent and coordinated action from the pro-choice side. >> and what is the goal? protesting in the streets? you are not going to change the mind of the supreme court. so what is your goal? what do you want to happen, practically speaking? >> i know that we are not going to change peoples minds. we all have our beliefs and we are all set in our beliefs. but what i want to do is -- when i want to show, that people in these positions of power, that we are not going to stand for them taking away our rights. we are not going to stand for that at all.
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and what i want, when i envision, is people taking to the streets and demonstrating that. >> how about in texas? after you gave that speech, how did your high school take it? how did your town take it? did you get a meeting with governor greg abbott? >> i did not get a meeting with governor greg abbott. by the reaction to my speech was actually overwhelmingly positive. i received hundreds and hundreds of messages of support and of love, and since giving that speech, i received a lot of opportunities to continue my activism at the scale that i do now. and that's something that i do every day. >> you got those messages and that support from texans or nationally? what i'm trying to get at is, if you are voice, if your perspective is the future of your state, why does your state make the rules and restrictions that they do? and i'm obviously not accusing you of that. i'm trying to get inside the lone star state to understand why it is the way it is.
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>> right. well, politicians are not necessarily making legislation that reflects the views of the people in the state. that's not something that people of my generation can essay early control, especially since we are now just getting the right to vote. i just voted in my first election last semester, a few months ago. and i think -- west assured, people are going to be taking to the polls. people are going to be voting these people out of office, the best that they can. but right now, they are not working in favor of their constituents and in favor of their constituents beliefs. >> all, right paxton smith, thank you so much for joining us this evening. i appreciate you. >> thank you. >> coming up, the complex story of the woman behind this bitter national debate, that began half a century ago, when the extended edition of the 11th hour continues. >> we've organized fighters as well as medical professionals
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in the state of new york. we are prepared to represent individuals. we are prepared to train legal professionals, as well as medical professionals, in anticipation of individuals who might be prosecuted in their home state. we are looking at extradition, we're looking at subpoenas, we are looking at all of that. we are ready. we will not, again bow down to the radical right. we will stand up and protect the woman's right to choose, protect the 14th amendment. and not allow women to be treated like second class citizens. citizens
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decision is done, i said you three, i thought, okay, we are all safe and legal now. we can have control over our own bodies. >> the last thing before we go on this very late night -- knowing roe. norman mccorvey, better known as jane roe is a complicated person in our nation's divided history. when norman was just 16 years old she was already married and pregnant, divorced by the time the baby arrived, she gave up custody to her mother. a few years later, norma was pregnant again. she gave that child up for adoption. then, in 1969, when she became pregnant for a third time, normal was dealing with addiction and living in poverty. and she wanted an abortion. nbc news ron mott tells us her story. >> her quest began out as a movement for women's rights, but more simply, an unmarried
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22-year-old looking to end her third pregnancy in texas, with the procedure was illegal unless the woman's life was in danger. despite her ultimate victory in the case, she had her baby. the legal process pushing well beyond nine months. the landmark ruling eventually propelled the mccorvey mccorvey out of the shadows over pseudonym and into the spotlight of the country's most divisive social issue. four time she became the face of probation law rights, but later, in the mid 1990, she announced she became a morning christian and became an anti-abortion advocate, appearing in ads. >> i realized -- the biggest mistake of my life. >> it was not until 2017, just before her death, when norma mccorvey finally came forward with what she called the deathbed confession. she said, she was never really against abortion. she was just paid to say that she was. a reminder, a stark reminder of
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the very complex and very personal story of roe, a story that launched the bitter debate, one that tonight is clearly far from over. we needed a deep breath. and on that very heavy and very serious note, i wish you all a very good tonight. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with us. it has been a privilege to be here with you. n thanks to you all for being oaths with us this hour it is a big day. when the supreme court just handed down this decision with roe just 50 years ago, it was not like it was not controversial when it happened. they were definitely people opposed to the roe v. wade decision. in 19 three in particular the catholic church had always been staunchly


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