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>> i'm 0 for 2 on those shows but i hear great things about both. ben tiller with severance. i'm in the middle of "we crashed" which is the series about we work, the rise and fall of the ceo there. jared leno, anne hathaway stunning performances. if you haven't seen "we crashed crashed", it is on apple tv, check it out. >> and i haven't seen that yet. but that will be my next go-to. but apple tv, doing we crashed, doing slow horses and apple tv doing severance. pretty good run. >> okay. good. glad you guys could watch all of that. >> and the padres. three in a row. they're looking good. >> we're going to dive into the news now. we are at day 65 in the war in ukraine. and ukrainian authorizes are reporting intense fire and new attacks in the east. this morning a ukrainian presidential adviser
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acknowledged russian forces have seized some towns and villages since the assault began last week. however, he said it is come at a high cost for russian forces. insisting that their military has incurred, quote, colossal losses. president zelenskyy said his government is planning a new effort to evacuate civilians from the steel plant in mariupol. russian forces have surrounded the factory for days. rapping 2,000 soldiers and a thousand civilians. mostly women and children. inside. in a message overnight zelenskyy said the operation can work but only with u.n. assistance and russian cooperation. meanwhile, renewed bombing overnight struck a field hospital in the plant killing and further injuring dozens of wounded soldiers being treated there. that is according to the ukrainian ministry of foreign affairs which posted this video
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appearing to show people in hospital beds covered in rubble. a seen u.s. defense official said some russians forces are starting to pull out of the city. although others remain in place. >> meanwhile, at least one person has died after new missile strikes rained down on the capital of kyiv. that is the first since russia retreated from that area several weeks ago. it set a 25-story apartment building on fire also striking a nearby factory. it struck just a few miles from where president zelenskyy was meeting with the secretary general of the united nations. it is an attack to hume ill a yit the u.n. >> the lend lease act of 2022 has passed through congress and now heads to president biden's desk for signature. it will allow the biden administration to supply ukraine with weapons on loan. the legislation invokes the original lend lease act passed
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in 1941 that helped the united states to arm british forces fighting nazi germany. president biden also was asking congress to approve a new $33 billion aid package for ukraine as quickly as possible. the bulk of that proposal will pay for military assistance, although it will you cl includes humanitarian aid and on top aide approved just last month. joe, so a lot going out of the door from the united states to ukraine. just as president zelenskyy has been asking. president zelenskyy expressing his thanks. it is the volume and the kind of material that he's been asking for. and now a big bet by the united states on what they believe will be the winning side in this conflict. >> well, and willie, you brought it up throughout the morning and so has mika. this aid package really echoes. it puts into play exactly what secretary austin has been talking about, what other american officials are now
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beginning to talk about. and that is doing more than just helping president zelenskyy survive, doing more than just stopping ukraine from being overrun. they're now talking about winning. and that is the sort of thing that could make that possible. to at least push the russians back to where they were when the war began two months ago. let's bring in michael mcfaul, director of the institute for international studies at stanford and an nbc international affairs analyst and also with us money american hero, retired army four star general barry mccaffrey, an nbc news military analyst. general, let's begin with you. let's talk about the aid package and how it changes the realities on the ground between ukrainian forces and russia? >> well toss two things. not just a continuity of the biden administration which will provide resources for about
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another five months. but also the conference that secretary lloyd austin pulled together in europe with 41 some odd nations. so if the ukrainians can absorb and put into action the military and humanitarian aid that is headed their way, you could argue we're going to approach near parity in ground combat power. russias still have an overwhelming advantage in the air. given ukrainian leadership and courage and the tenacity of which they've opened this battle, this is good news and desperate situation for the russians. combined with these economic sanctions. so i think we're moving in the right direction. >> a desperate situation for the russians in general. as you pointed out, the more desperate things get for the russians on the ground, the crazier vladimir putin is
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talking about nuclear war. idiots on state tv in russia talking about nuclear war. it is as if they've forgotten about mutually assured destruction and if they've forgotten by the fact that the united states has almost 1500 nukes deployed right now. are they really going to kill a couple hundred thousand ukrainians and begin a world war that would end up killing, well, everybody. not just the ukrainians, but russians, americans, everybody. >> well, it is incredibly chilling, listening to these conversations on russian state tv. but it is buttressed by the foreign statements that lavrov and putin himself, they understand what is at stake. and in a strategic nuclear ex change, there are no winners. it is ridiculous. we could absorb a first strike on the u.s. nuclear capacity and
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the subsequent retaliation in the next couple of days would end russia as an organized society. why is he talking this way. so you have to assume it is a bluff. but it is so irresponsible and destabilizing, not just for the united states, but the other two nato nuclear powers, france and the united kingdom. i think mr. putin is desperate, he sees his options as limited and in the long run he's going to lose this conflict. >> so general, let's talk about he's moved towards, as we move towards the conflict and the end whenever that may be, and putin, he just can't keep up with american fire power or keep up with nato fire power. it is not possible. i'm sure he'll be talking more and more about nukes. so if he wants to talk about nukes, i guess we have to talk about nukes.
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what happens if russia launches atactical nuclear weapon in the ukraine, what happens if 100,000 ukrainians are killed by a russian nuclear weapon? what is the response of nato, what is the response of the united states? >> well, putin's problem is he doesn't know and neither do we. it is completely unpredictable. if he struck kyiv and killed a quarter of a million ukrainians, at a minimum he should expect that the outcome would look like coatal conventional war against russia inside of ukraine and potentially take down all of his naval assets in the black sea. never mind the possibility that we could respond with tactical nuclear weapons. right up the coast here, the u.s. submarine ballistic missile fleet has a significant number, there are two loaded with
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tactical nuclear weapons. we could respond in 30 minutes. so it is a -- it is an outcome that no one really wants to talk about. it is unthinkable. one would hope his generals would say, we're not going there potentially our families will be vaporized along with your survival instincts. so he doesn't know. we don't know how we'd respond, but it would be an armageddon outcome if we weren't careful. >> ambassador, mcfaul i want to get your take on the new aid package on the $33 billion and i'm also curious because i've watched you engage online in dialogue with people you know inside of russia making these wildly irresponsible comments. very casually on television. about nuclear war. as general mccaffrey said. if we have a mutually assured destruction, we'll go to heaven
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that is that. who are these people. are they to be taken seriously. is the threat of nuclear war on the table for russians. >> well the people i've been engaging, i've known for 20 years, they're putin propagandaists and every night they seem like their increasingly unhinged. it means that they're losing the war, right. as just as you were just discussing with general mccaffrey. you don't see these things when you are winning, you say these things when you are losing. and i think it is very irresponsible because they're scaring russia people about a nuclear war. they're talking to the russian electorate, talking to russian citizens on those tv shows. my own view is that we should disaggregate some of these effects. with respect to strategic nuclear weapons, i think that is a low probability event. at the beginning of the war, putin said some things about
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putting his weapons on alert. but we know he didn't do anything and from senior pentagon officials they didn't change the alert and secondly he's had some officials, former president have gone on television including the pbs news hour, by the way, so that is a message to us, to say they will use those weapons if threatened, existentially. the good news is we're not threatening russia. so i think don't that i that is a real outcome. i think it is not. what i do worry about is what you were just discussing about a tactical nuclear weapon, if russia is losing the war for donbas, and let's call it the battle of donbas. because i think they've already lost the war of ukraine. but the battle of donbas which is raging now. it is a huge, horrible war with long range artillery and could go on for a long time and a lot of people will die, if they lose that, some speculate that putin would try to use a tactical
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nuclear weapon to try to end the war. that i think we need to be concerned about. but also remember that this is not japan 1945. ukraine does not feel like they're losing this war. they think that they are just in this war. and i think to assume that the reaction of a tactical weapon, tactical nuclear weapon in ukraine would be just like it was in japan in 1945, is in correct. that is a false analogy. i think the ukrainians would fight even further should putin strike with a tactical nuclear weapon. >> certainly they've shown the will to continue fighting through a lot. and ambassador mcfaul, this new package of $33 billion from the biden white house, what do you make of it? it is obviously a big number. we've seen big packages the last couple of weeks. but this takes things to another level. what is the impact? does it change the course of events in the donbas? >> i'll let general mccaffrey
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answer that question. i won't answer that with a four-star general on tv. but i will say a couple of things, i've talked to senior pentagon official this is week and i've talked to senior ukrainian official this is week. what i think it signals is a big shift in terms of the american strategy. we're going to be sending in much more heavier equipment. we're going to be sending in american equipment, not just old soviet equipment and to me it seems like we are helping the ukrainians to try to win the battle of donbas. before it was always about stalemates, stopping, slowing the russians. this feels different. and just to put the numbers into perspective, it is $30 billion, $20 billion in military assistance, the entire russian military budget last year was $61 billion. >> so, general, i'll let you take a crack at that. the ambassador yielded his time to you on the military question. what is this new money mean to the fight in the don bass?
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>> well no question it is good news. and the by the way, uk and france, and this coalition of the willing are providing additional extremely capable high-tech military equipment. one question that is the rate at which you could absorb this. putting together counter battery artillery forces of the magnitude we're talking about along with the radar and anti-artillery systems is very difficult. so ukrainian is going to have to bring this stuff aboard and get into a fighting hand and understand how to maintain it and operate it. and having said that, it seems to me that decisive battle as ambassador mcfaul points out is in the east. and it is not a battle just for terrain. to grab a few square kilometers to justify a cease-fire on the russians' part, it is also a notion of can the russians destroy the ukrainian elite forces facing them in the
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donbas. that is really the russian objective. it is not just, you know, land grab, an the jury is out. this war has not been decided. the russian air power is a significant fact or. grinding down and destroying the cities of ukraine as a terrible burden on the people. the refugee situation as you've discussed earlier in the program is a hugely destabilizing factor on the economy of ukraine. so they have a tremendous challenge in front of them. i also want to remind people, at the height of the iraq operation, we had 150,000 u.s. and nato forces in iraq, we were spending $9 billion a month. this is a bigger war. so the u.s. has to be prepared to shoulder this burden along with our allies for a year or more. that will discourage putin and
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the russians. >> all right. ambassador mcfaul, there was the prisoner swap this week with russia bringing more attention to other american who are being held in that country. paul whelan has been in russian custody since december of 2018. the marine veteran was in moscow for a wedding but was arrested on espionage charges. which he and his family say were fabricated by russian intelligence. in june of 2020 whelan was convicted of spying and sentenced to 16 years in prison. president biden released a statement following the release of trevor reed on wednesday. in it he mentioned whelan. and another high-profile american was not included in that. wnba star brittney griner who was arrested on drug charges at moscow's airport back in february. there has been very little information about griner since she was detained. and an official with the state
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department met with her last month and said the two time olympic gold medallist was in good condition. she has a court date coming up next month which could determine when her state goes to trial. the state department is focused on the release of both griner and whelan. and ambassador mcfaul, what do you make of these type of negotiations going on during a hot war like this. i guess is it a good sign? >> any time an american gets out of russian prison, it is a good sign. so it is great to see trevor reed out of russia. it doesn't mean necessarily that they'll be a similar deal for paul whelan or brittney griner. although, just as you've been reporting. >> think they are working both of those cases behind closed doors. and in different ways. especially brittney griner is in a different place because she hasn't been convicted with these
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long, year long sentences. she's still early on and that gives me cautious hope that that there might be a way to get her out before she gets on the list that paul whelan is on. i've looked closely at paul's situation and britney, i don't see any justification for why they'll be being held and i hope our diplomats behind closed doors could get them out. >> general, finally, as you know we've all seen this war has gone in phases. the biden administration, and nato has marched lockstep through most of the phases. we know the germans stepping up and bringing heavy equipment there. a lot to be grateful for on how nato is coordinating this. let's look around the corner, the next corner. because we know there is going to be, we're going to move forward to another phase. if you were advising president biden, what would you tell him to be looking for right now? and how do we prepare for next
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month? >> boy, that is a terrific question. first of all, i think in the long run it is good news. nato has been revitalized. there is a potential for sweden and finland to join the alliance. they had zero military capability. i think in very short order they'll be the principal ground combat power in europe. so, from putin's perspective, the longer run from is a disaster for him. the other questions that remain are the degree to which the economic sanctions and being a pariah state will effect the people of russia. which ambassador mcfaul has spoken to before. it is quite clear to me that in the long-term, russia's military capability will be severely did he graded by economic sanctions. again, a disaster for putin. in the short run, however, i
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think that the whole situation is show something peril. we don't know how the war of maneuver in the east will turn out. can the ukrainians absorb high-tech advantaged military technology. we don't know. but the situation from our point is we ought to be very proud of what biden and lloyd austin, the secretary of state, the secretary of treasury and our allies have done. it is a remarkable reaction. >> all right. retired four star general barry mccaffrey, thank you for being with us and thank you as always for your service to america. we are grateful. the same with you, u.s. ambassador to russia. michael mcfaul. thank you for being with us. >> up next we're going to the white house for the latest reporting out of the biden administration as the president prepares to speak with his mexican counterpart today. plus, with the battle over
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ukrainian aid now in the hands of congress, we'll speak with a member of the house armed services committee about whether politically could get in the way. and later elon musk sells billions in tesla stock after his offer to buy twitter is accepted. it his quest to own the social media giant putting his other ventures at risk? we'll also have our daily look at the front pages at the stories headlining newspapers across the country. and the must read opinion page is including one that is looking at what happens when the republican party adopts russian's authoritarian playbook. >> not good. >> we'll be right back. >> not good at all. >> not good at all allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.
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sun is up over washington. the wall street judge writes a piece entitled, congress's turn to step unon ukrainian. the biden administration on thursday rolled out a $33 billion request for assistance for ukraine. and let's hope congress doesn't suddenly plead poverty. vladimir putin seem set on a long war. and the investment in defeating him will be clean if it succeeds. the risk, as ever, is that mr. biden's ukraine funding becomes a hostage in congress. mr. biden's thursday letter to congress mentions his request for $22.5 billion for more covid-19 aid, immigration fights, also threatening to derail the bill, but voters understand these are separate matters and lawmakers can sort out their differences accordingly. let' bring in white house correspondent and co-author of the playbook, eugene daniels and a "morning joe" senior
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contributor. and i'm curious, are lawmakers going to be able to sort out their differences accordingly. >> reporter: it is possible. it is unclear. you have chuck schumer and the president talking about wanting to tie this money to the covid relief funds that they've been wanting to get and they say that need. and the republicans say that is no go. they don't want to see any more relief money and tied to this. and if they do that, if democrats do go through with that, they promise to have title 42 which is the pandemic related immigration order to that bill as well and the white house doesn't want to see that. so their in a tricky spot. because like that editorial said, it is very clear that people watching who aren't here on capitol hill all of the time, they see these things as separate and here on capitol
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hill they see them as must pass so they want to tie them together and that could doom failure for the bill. but the administration and congress, they're under a lot of pressure from ukraine, from the international community, and from folks in this country who have been seeing what is happening in ukraine. to actually do more. we've gone a lot. but they want to do more, especially as it seems that vladimir putin is getting more desperate. >> as congressman adam smith told us in the last hour, there is near unanimous support, they have to work out the domestic questions. eugene, i want to ask you about tomorrow night's white house correspondents dinner where the president is still scheduled to make an appearance. we just got news that his communication director kate beddingfield has tested positive for covid. her last contact was socially distance with a mask on and the president is not considered a close contact. but when you put into the mix vice president harris who announced earlier in the week she has covid, there is certainly covid around this
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president. is there any question, any second thought about his going into that big ballroom on saturday night. >> they've been having this conversations and having them for weeks as they work to decide whether or not the president was going to go. and what they've kind of settled on is that every american in this country has some level of risk. and that they have to make their own decisions. so when you talk to jen psaki or any of the other aides up here, they say they will continue to try to do what they can to keep president biden safe. they push that he has everything that he needs. both as president and as just someone in this country, if you were to get covid, but that is raising a lot of questions. you have anthony fauci, the chief medical adviser to the president backing out because of his own concerns. and we saw what happened at gridiron dinner. i was there. i didn't get it. i got lucky. but there is a lot of people maskless and talking and eating. the president is not there or the eating portion but the program portion where they get
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to make fun of him and he gets to make fun of us. so we'll continue to see how this shakes out. but the kate beddingfield news adds another wrench into who is going from the white house because she's communications director and speaks to a lot of folks here. >> all right. "morning joe" senior contributor eugene daniels reporting live from the white house. thank you so much. and we've talked about it before, does -- it doesn't make sense for me for him to go to this dinner. >> maybe if they hold it outside. just why -- >> away from the courtyard or something like that. but again, why do it? >> it seems like when willie goes, everybody is jumping on him and so we can't let him go. >> it is outside of the ed sullivan show. >> no, it is late elvis. the white house correspondents association is a great organization. truly. and as we sit here today we
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appreciate the support for journalists. i don't see personally as we've said the risk/reward here. you could still send a message on video. why risk it. we'll see, maybe it will change in the next 24 hours. >> all right, up next, a look at stories making headlines across the country including a rare out of state appearance by florida governor ron desantis. we'll tell you what he is doing. >> is he attacking six flags over georgia now. >> and willie, what do you planned for sunday today. >> i have one of the most original artists in all of music. nominated for eight grammys, her name is johnell monay. they were wearing the thing when we sat down so i then had to get up and just put on a blue blazer just to kind of take it down a little bit. janelle monay, so talented and so smart. the outfit is eye-popping and extraordinary and it will make sense when you hear the interview about her new book. come upping up this sunday on
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all right, 35 past the hour. a look now at headlines in the morning papers across the country. first to oklahoma. where the tulsa world reports the republican led state house and senate have passed new anti-abortion bills. the house legislation bans the procedure after about six weeks of pregnancy. that bill now heads to the desk of republican governor kevin stit who is expected to sign it into law within days. the arizona republic featured a front page report on schools in the state trying to fight learning loss from the pandemic. the decrease in enrollment and increases in chronic absentee rates have resulted in significant losses in learning for all students and has exacerbated an achievement gap along latinos.
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to utah where the salt lake city tribune is talking about the skyrocketing cost of homes. prices in salt lake county has doubled as new listing lag. the median price has jumped to $629,000 to buy a home. >> it is a trend happening across country. in california, the "san francisco chronicle" highlights how many eligible californians are not getting their second covid booster shot. only 15% of the 6.5 million eligible residents, 50 and over have received the shot so far. a lack of urgency and low key messages are seen as factors behind the low rated. to nevada, a visit from florida governor ran desantis to las vegas. he's making a rare out of state appearance to stump for adam
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waxality. and stoking widespread speculation about desantis's only presidential 2024 run. and across the country, the first round of the nfl draft held last night in las vegas. commissioner roger goodell received his traditional greeting from nfl fans but that was the only thing normal. there were boos in case you didn't know. for the first time in over 30 years the top five picks all defense players. the yag wars took trayvon walker with the first pick before detroit followed in record time quickly taking hometown product aiden hutchinson from the university of michigan. no team drafted a quarterback until the 20th pick and there were nine draft day trades, most with the eagle by trading for all pro wide receiver aj brown. it kicks off tonight with the
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tampa bay tom brady now on the clock. and georgia entire defense was drafted ftd first round. they had five guys from the national championship team, one of the best defenses ever in college football, five guys from the georgia defense in the first round including that first pick trayvon walker. >> i've been so distressed by the boston red sox and of course following how tight the national league west is, i haven't paid a whole lot attention going into the draft. you have read anything about the logic of defense playing such a key role in the top draft picks this year? and also quarterback not being drafted until the 20th round. i just don't remember that happening in all of the years that i've followed the draft. >> you know, there just wasn't that marquee quarterback in this draft. the last few drafts you've had trevor lawrence, joe burrow, baker mayfield and there wasn't this guy. kenny picket out of pitt went to steelers with the 20th pick. there are some other guys on the
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board that will go today. but they're just filling needs and some offensive lineman, my giants got an alabama offensive lineman as well. so it is just what the teams needed and in the absence of the big name running backs and quarterback this is year, that is the draft that we have so far. >> all right. >> up next, elon musk tweeting overnight calling democrats extremists. after the left criticizes his proposed purchase of the social media company. congressman ro khanna who represents parts of silicon valley joins us next on that. and if we need an american version of the e.u.'s digital services act. perhaps. >> oh, yeah. >> plus one writer is asking if musk is risking his business empire for twitter. calling it a bottomless money-sucking pit. >> i don't really understand why he's spent that much money for twitter. it is just -- i don't get it. we'll talk about that coming up
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all right. the markets just opened with the dow dropping after a big week for tech working and we're keeping tabs on elon musk after he sold $4 billion worth of his company's shares just days after twitter accepted his bid to take them private. he wants to cut costs at the social media giant by cracking down on pay and find new ways to monetize tweets that -- and he might need to. because a new column inside "insider" said that musk is making a -- by acquiring
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twitter. it reads in part, twitter is not even close to being able to service the kind of debt that deal will bring down musk's entire business empire. in a moment we'll speak to the author of that piece. but first let's bring in democratic member of the house the oversight and armed services committees. congressman ro khanna of california, he represents silicon valley and is the author of the new book entitled "dignity in the digital age, making tech work for all of us." what would we learn from europe about bringing accountability and safety to social media and big tech? >> well europe with the digital service acts that done some very kplon sense things such as banning adds that are targeted at children. such as making sure that these companies disclose their algorithms. so we know if facebook is targeting eating disorder as to teenagers, they have to disclose that and those practices should
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be banned. such as banning ads targeting people based on race or religion. there are efforts in congress to do it. frankly we have been asleep at the wheel too long. we need to get to done and we should look to the digital services act. >> so what is the possibility of that happening? this sounds like a one of these deals that a lot of people talk about, suggesting that they like it. and then nothing ever gets done. what is the chance it could pass the house, a version of it could pass the senate and president biden could sign it? >> i appreciate and understand your frustration. and skepticism. you've been talking about this for over a year. there has been progress. president biden spoke about it as something bipartisan in the state of the union. senator blumenthal has a senate and i'm working with representative schickowski on a companion bill. this needs to get done. it has bipartisan support. and we need to get it to the president's desk. there are movement over the last few months.
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>> congressman, do you have any thoughts, concerns just reaction to elon musk buying twitter? >> well why would he want the job. why would anyone want to be running twitter where half of the country is bo -- is going to hate you no matter what. and my advice is learn from zuckerberg when he was making all of the decisions. he got into trouble. now he has this oversight board, it is still not fully independent but it is better than nothing. when jeff bezos bought the wash -- "the washington post," you're not making the decisions at very least. >> congressman, you also sit on armed services this, $33 billion package rolled out yesterday by the white house coming with a few political complications as we've been talking about all morning. i know democrats want some covid relief in there, republicans want title 42 to remain in place as part of the deal. are you confident that at least
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the $33 billion will get where it needs to go when it needs to get there? >> yeah, we need to do. it look, russia is going to have a brutal -- look at what they did in syria. they're not going to disappear. they're engaged in sieges and bombardment, out there nor possibly months and years. so we have to recognize their brutality and the threat and get the ukrainians the aid they need. we also need to do the covid relief. i'll be blunt, i was back home in my district and someone came up and said, congressman, i'm concerned about the midterms, i said i was too. and he said you guys are out there talking too much about ukraine you're not focused enough on my needs, on prices going up on covid. so i think we have to do the $33 billion on the ukraine relief but we also have to focus on making sure people have vaccines and boosters and that we're tackling prices and meeting the domestic needs. >> all right, congressman ro khanna, thank you very much. we appreciate it. let's bring in the author of the
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piece that we quoted from about twitter being the bottomless money-sicking pit that could bring down elon musk's entire empire. lynette lopez joins us now. so how -- what do you think the challenges are balanced sheet, as cash or profit. and twitter's balance sheet, 630 million last year. e, lon is going to have to figure out how to pay people, without paying people in stock. you know, twitter will be a private company, and a different
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company. it will have $13 billion in debt on its books after this deal. it will have to service a billion of that a year. that is a lot. >> it seems like he made one mistake after another getting this. we have guests who like to talk about e, lochb being all knowing. he waived his right to see twitter's finances. i am not the richest person on the planet, perhaps i shouldn't be asking these questions. again, it seems to be a vanity play. he didn't look at the expenses. it has been called an over leveraged clown. what is his biggest risk? >> the biggest risk is that he can't make it profitable, and keeps throwing his own money n
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the cost-cutting will come on the side of twitter moderators. 90% of twitter revenue comes from ads. if advertisers don't want to put their ads against unmoderated content, tell lose money. he talked about giving people subscriptions, getting taylor swift to tweet more, i think she has better things to do. it is unclear what the turn-around plan is. the fact that wall street bankers finished this deal so quickly, and the board finished this deal so quickly, after taking that poison pill, make you wonder, who is holding the bag here? i tl you, wall street is taking its pound of flesh. elon took out a loan with enough interest to make your eyes
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water, if telsa stock falls below $400, they will start to sell telsa stock. he is changing the world with big idea, he wants to colonize mars, he changed the way -- >> i am not going to mars, but okay. >> you don't have to go, i guess. twitter feels like small ball for him. you know what i mean? this place for people who work in the media and politics yell at each other all day. what is it about twitter that interests him? >> everything that you said. he loves attention. he is loving this will you, won't you. he loves to talk. he is very small person on twitter. heieled at me on twitter. he yells at all kinds of people on twitter. for him, this is the most fun thing.
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he didn't have yachts or cool houses, and i mean, this is where he has a good time. do i think it is a vanity play? yes, do i think he is putting telsa at risk? absolutely. do i think it will be difficult to turn twitter around? sure. >> telsa wasn't profitable for 15 years, they could tap into public market, twitter won't be able to do that elon is going in alone, nobody else wants to touch it. it looks like he is a bag holder. >> wow. small ball, want only attacking you a week ago, he got suckered into publishing a five-year-old story. or he is a liar.
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>> one more must read opinion page for you. for the l.a. times, when the republican party adopts russia's playbook. anyone wondering how far today's republican party, to achieve the vision of so too, about the big lie, joe.
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>> we have been talking about the crack pots in the republican party, i know there are sane, rational people, they are not calling out the crack pot, they have to do that if they want to save their party. >> denying things that are on tape. this is the week that kevin mccarthy was caught on tape, went out with a straight face and said none of that happened. not sure what you do with that. >> that does it for us. jose picks up msnbc live coverage after a quick break.
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