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thank you for watching "velshi" catch me next weekend from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. afternoon and jonathan capehart pakes up coverage now. ukraine pubs back, reclaims second largest city from russians but reports vladimir putin put his nuclear deterrent forces on high alert. reactions from senators amy klobuchar and chris coons. >> then the new supreme court nominee and gives a preview of president biden's first state of the union address. and donald trump can quit putin. >> the problem is not that putin is smart. which, of course, he's smart, but the -- real problem is that our leaders are dumb. >> i remember when republicans stood up to russia. i'm jonathan capehart.
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this is "the sunday show." this sunday ukrainian officials say they have taken back control of the secretary largest city of kharkiv from the russians. now the fourth day of russia's invasion. u.n. security council set to meet this afternoon, and according to russian state-run media, russian president vladimir putin ordered nuclear deterrent forces to be on high alert in response to the latest round of nato sanctions. meanwhile, ukrainian defense troops kept up severe resistance to maintain control of the capital preparing molotov cocktails while residents huddled in parking garages and subway stations. on the outskirts of the city, explosions and fire after a fuel depot was bombed. according to the telegram
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account, president zelenskyy and lou schenk oh met they will meet for talks at the belarusian border, lukashenko guaranteed safety of the meeting. earlier today, zelenskyy called russia's invasion "a sign of genocide" saying, "russia is on the path to evil." more than 368,000 ukrainians have now fled into neighboring countries. with some facing a 40-hour wait time to cross into poland. here at home after days of urging, the u.s. joined eu and other allied nations cutting off key russian banks from the system known as s.w.i.f.t. and added increased restrictions on russia's central bank. joining me from lviv ukraine, nbc news correspondent cal perry. cal what is the latest from your vantage point there? >> reporter: jonathan, you really have two separate stories developing in ukraine.
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in the eastern part of the country, fierce fighting. city of ker kyiv, in the northeast, the scene of street battles as we see video of russian troops moving in behind armored personnel carriers for cover. government reporting fierce fighting there and ukrainian forces remain in control. moving further west to the capital. the third night of bombardment for the capital. people still sleeping in bomb shelters but the mayor woke up this morning and spread word to the international community russian troops are not in the city. they have been stopped nap is partly due to a herculean effort on behalf of civilian defense forces. all males between age of 18 and 60 are barred from leaving the country as they want those folks to head to the front. we are seeing that, where i am here in lviv. i saw a number of military-aged males heading to the train station heading west towards the front why civilians continue to flow into the city. the city closer to the polish border than the capital in kyiv and becoming a staging ground what is quickly becoming a refugee crisis. you said, at least 365,000
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people already made their way out of the country. that number does not account for people, for example, are waiting along the border with poland to get into that country and it is a 36-hour wait. more than a ten-mile backup. some people are leaving there things trying to walk to that border. it is cold. snowing earlier today. it is raining. conditions are getting worse and worse and only get worse because, of course, while the president and defense mince sister tell you civilians are helping hold the cities, civilians will pay the ultimate price as they continue to flee the fighting. >> cal perry from lviv ukraine, thank you very, very much coming to "the sunday show"a and that report. joining me on-set, amy klobuchar, minnesota, member of the senate judiciary committee. senator klobuchar met with president zelenskyy last month in ukraine and in munich on relations east/west center. thank you for coming on the show. >> thank you. >> someone who met with pret
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zelenskyy give us your thoughts and reactions to how he's handled the war that's been unleashed on his country this week? >> i think he's handled it incredibly well. become a folk hero not in his own country but in the world. staying put. making clear that they're going to fight back. this is a big country, a country of determined resistance and he has captured that. secondly, he has made sure in very un -- very certain terms that the world knows he needs help, and you see ammunition coming in. you see stingers. you see javelins, germany breaking with precedent and now sending in some of their weapons. led by the biden administration, of course, but also other countries joining in. so much of this is an international effort at pushing back at a despot and a thug showing his own colors, but equally important, the people of ukraine are showing their colors, and that is one of blue
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and yellow, yes, but also of courage. >> you know, there's so much breaking news today coming out of ukraine. the other one being a meeting that's going to happen between ukrainian deegation and russian delegation on the belarusian ukrainian border. is that a hopeful sign could be a resolution? >> one never knows with vladimir putin. he says things that aren't true all the time, but has showed a willingness to talk through envoys, of course. always a good thing. always want to pursue diplomacy but we have to realize that this is a guy that was lying the entire time. lying about his intentions and if was only because of our intelligence. intelligence of great britain and other countries calming it out for what it is. that's important for what it is. because we did that, the world is with us. we have been able to grow this coalition even beyond nato. to countries like kenya, where
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the u.n. ambassador gave this incredible speech. new zealand, it's a joint world effort. >> one of the reports that came out last week was that the united states talked to president xi. an effort to get the chinese, hey, here. here's all the intelligence, and yet the chinese according to the reports didn't believe it, and actually called up moscow and hey, what's up with this? what do you make of this seeming reticence on the part of the chinese? on the part of president xi of china, to weigh in more vocally and forcefully especially when the chinese position is that borders and sovereignty should be respected? >> always -- always focus on this, and that's why i find this not just disappointing, but incredibly sad, that they're not standing up while a sovereign country is being invaded. but we continue to make connections. we continue to talk to them, that's important. we know vladimir putin is
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reaching out to them in big way. you keep negotiations open. i remind you, when you combine, secretary blinken said this. combine europe and usgdp. talk an banking industry and president putin. well over 50%. a lot of power here. >> sanctions. big news yesterday, some russian banks were pulled from the s.w.i.f.t. system. why not pull all of the russian banks from the s.w.i.f.t. system? >> well, again, we want to do this in concert with other countries, and that means in concert with germany. one of the key countries to give their consent here. because otherwise it's going to be meaningless. if we don't have countries involved like great britain. a lot of transactions occur. this s.w.i.f.t. system is a gold standard, very important what happens here. >> switch gears now and come back home. there is a, the president made a
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big announcement on friday. his nominee to the supreme court, judge ketanji brown jackson nominated. how concerned are you republicans will deprive the judiciary committee on which you sit, the quorum needed to pass the nomination out of committee into the fore for a full vote? >> certainly hope that doesn't happen, but anything could happen on the judiciary committee. that being said, i think that judge jackson has shown herself to the country in a very positive light. you have her personal story. a kid at 2, teachers near and dear to my heart. my mom was a teacher. the fact when they attack her on things like crime, i mean, who knows what they'll bring up? you have her brother, a police officer. her uncle, police chief of miami. and when he even question her experience, she actually has more judicial experience than four members of the current court. and one of only two including justice sotomayor with trial
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court experience. incredibly strong facts as well as bipartisan support gotten for every one of her nominations. going well. republicans voted for her in the past. some positive comments and let us move forward with all optimism on this nomination but eyes wide open what they will do. >> glad you brought ub republicans who supported her in the past. case in point, your fellow judiciary committee member lindsey graham. senator graham of south carolina, voted for her to the d.c. court of appeals, and now put out a tweet saying that -- the far left has taken over joe biden. you can see there. what he said on friday. what should we make of republicans who had no problem voting for her for d.c. court of appeals, three of them did, who now are either going as far as lindsey graham has done saying that the president's a captive of the far left and others
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saying, well, i have to waitened see? >> yeah, well, first of all, they should read the words of paw ryan, no knows her well as a member of his extended family. who had nothing but praise for her. and i think that judge, senator graham, you know, very focused on another nominee that he wanted. a very good judge, that plays in here and i think what you've got to look at again looking at this with optimism, two strong senators.wski and collins voted for her in the past, looking forward to meeting with her. every democrat in the senate voted for her in the past. i like at that as the major factor as opposed what i expect you're going to hear negative comments from a number of republicans misplaced, but we must move forward and get this done and it is historic. 150 supreme court justices, she is the first black woman to be
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nominated to the court. and that as well as her incredible background will bring her in to the u.s. supreme court and i can't wait to see that. >> make it plain. talking about racist, sexist and misogynistic comments and i trip the dare them to do it now that we have a name of a nominee. and the latest "washington post" poll at 37%. can, should the president use the state of the union on tuesday as a reset? >> i think he's going to use it as an opportunity to bring this country together and make very clear, one, that we stand unified on ukraine. that is, this is the moment for that statement. two, that we are getting through this pandemic. you can see what's happening around the country. the duluth mayor, see the lighthouse on the horizon and doing it together. three, that he's tackling the economic issues of our time, and this is a moment to not only go
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over what's happened but, to me, the most important thing is where we go from here, and i'm looking very much forward to his speech. >> senator amy klobuchar, from the great state of minnesota. my second home state. thank you very much for coming back to the "sunday show." >> thank you, jonathan. coming up, house majority whip jim clyburn joins me live to talk about president biden's nominee for the supreme court. first, senator chris coons of delaware up next to discuss the situation in ukraine and the massive humaneitarian event under way over there. stay with us. y over there stay with us. e, who uncover new medicines to treat mental illness. it includes the compassionate healthcare professionals, the dedicated social workers, and the supportive peer counselors we work with to help improve - and even change - people's lives. moving from mental illness to mental wellness starts in our circle.
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fight. i want to -- live on my earth, in my ukraine. in my peaceful ukraine, and i don't want to die our soldiers,
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our ukrainian soldiers as they are very brave and we all -- also are pray, as woman, pray for them, and i think that we'll be okay. we will win. >> even as some heated ukrainian president zelenskyy's call to return and fight, the unrefugee agency reports 368,000 ukrainians now fled the war. a number that will continue to grow. my next guest argued the u.s. must provide billions of dollars in aids for those refugees as they flood into poland and other eastern european states. now secretary of state blinken promising $154 million in humanitarian eleaf. and member of the judiciary and foreign relations committee and chair of the committee that funds foreign humanitarian aid.
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senator coons, thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." >> great to be with you today. >> the humanitarian relief announced by secretary blinken. great there's money there but is it enough to do what needs to be done? >> no. we all know it's not. samantha power very powerful head of usid is in poland right now and i'm actively dising with white house senior administration leaders what we expect to be about urgent reparation of about $6 billion for refugees and resources to target the oligarchs critical to putin's supporting russia and significant additional military support. president biden just released another $350 million weapons and ammunition support for the ukrainian resistance. that brings the total of u.s.
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support for ukraine military support to $1 billion over this last year. jonathan, this is vital to the stability, the peace, the security of western europe and the united states. this is the great test the west has seen since the second world war and i look forward to working in a bipartisan way to provide the kind of support the administration needs to deliver both humanitarian and military assistance to the ukrainian people. >> talk more about that, because you have blamed the current ukraine crisis on the west's lack of forceful response to russian president vladimir putin, even after he interfered in the 2016 election. now that russia has invaded ukraine, are you satisfied with the west's reaction so far? >> jonathan, i just spent a week in germany, in poland, in lithuania, and i've been strongly encouraged by the decisive steps taken by our british, french, european, nato
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and in particular german partners. the new german government under chancellor schulz made dramatic change. providing lethal assistance and joining the u.s. and other european partners imposing strong sanctions. exclusion from the s.w.i.f.t. system as well as blocking sanctions on major russian banks. our inability to come together in the 2014 to 2018 period and impose real sanctions in response to putin's interference both in crimea and our election were a significant part of why we didn't stop his aggression earlier, and what we're seeing today as a result of president biden's year of investment in diplomacy, strengthening our alliance is a swift, united response to putin's aggression. >> you know, senator, my "washington post" colleague sweeted belarusian banks should be added to the west's sanctions
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package. do you know if that's being considered? >> it is being discussed. frankly, that's one of the other big stories that i think isn't getting coverage it deserves. it's that by sending 30,000 russian troops into belarus, president lukashenko of belarus, who lost the election and faced tens of thousands of protesters and ultimately had to call on russian help to secure his control over belarus, his ability to be an independent leader of belarus now completely undermined. he simply is a puppet of the kremlin. that's the future that putin wants to impose on ukraine, and frankly we need to continue supporting the opposition in belarus and recognizing that belarus is now launching point for russian aggression. i agree with anne applebaum, considering sanctions against belarus. >> senator, given what you just said, how much credence or trust
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do you put in the news that's out of ukraine today, out of belarus today, that there's going to be a meeting between ukrainian delegation and russian delegation on the border between belarus and ukraine? should we even trust that? >> well, look, jonathan. i had a chance to meet with both the mayor of kyiv and the president of ukraine in germany. a week ago. i'm so impressed with their courage, their determination. president zelenskyy knowing that he is russian target number one. i would urge him not to go to the border with belarus. i suspect he's sendsing a delegation, but he, like all ukrainian people are showing real determination, real courage in the face of russian aggression. i don't know whether this latest effort at some negotiation will produce anything, but frankly the ongoing affective resistance of ukrainians of all kinds, the
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army and ukrainian civilians armed to push back guess russia's aggression is inspiring the entire world. look on social media under #standwithukraine, remarkable how broadly around the world humans are standing up against this brutal barbaric aggression and their governments starting to listen to constituents and citizens. i'm hopeful that there is yet a chance to turn back this aggression against ukraine. >> senator coons, two quick questions, real fast. one, how concerned are you about nato's future, given how many russian troops are now in -- in countries that border nato countries? >> well that concerns me greatly, and part of what president biden has been doing over and over in recent weeks is sending a forceful and clear senate of unity. he's deployed 12,000 american troops to nato's eastern flank. i had a chance to visit u.s. and
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nato troops in poland and in lithuania training together, and we will provide billions more in assistance to strengthen nato's eastern flank. the country of lithuania and poland are at the forefront being exposed and potentially at risk without the united states and the rest of our nato allies standing firmly alongside them, because of the number of russian troops that have now been moved to the very forefront of belarus and that have invaded ukraine. we need to be concerned about nato security, stand firm with nato and president biden has been clear-eyed and forceful in saying we will defend every inch of nato territory. >> and real fast. stateside the president mace made selection of a new supreme court nominee. how concerned are you republicans might deny the committee a quorum to have judge jackson's nomination proceed from the committee to the floor for a full vote? >> jonathan, this is an
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excellent and outstanding choice. president biden has nominated an incredibly qualified group of nominees for the 41 federal judgeships we've confirmed so far. that this is one of his most outstanding picks. i am not that concerned, because senator grassley of iowa, ranking republican, has publicly said he will show up. he will not deny a quorum for a hearing. given how republicans played the last three nominations, we shouldn't take anything for granted. it should be a swift, fair, clear process for her confirmation, and i look forward to participating in that confirmation process, and seeing an historic addition to the united states supreme court. >> senator chris coons of delaware. thank you, as always, to are coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you. next, how majority whip jim clyburn joins me to talk live about the historic nomination to the supreme court and the
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the newly minted supreme court nominee just ketanji brown jackson is spending the we're preparing to meet with senators ahead of his confirmation hearings. if confirmed, the first black woman on the high court. but there are already signs of republican opposition. as mentioned, senator lindsey graham tweeting her nomination meant "the rattedic's left won
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over president biden again." even though he voted to confirm jackson to the d.c. court of appeals less than a year ago. joining me now, graham's fellow south carolinian house majority whip congressman james clyburn. whip clyburn thank you for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you for having me. >> i will talk about senator graham in a moment, but whip clyburn you pushed president biden who promised to put a black woman on the supreme court two years and two days ago. your choice wasn't selected but how do you feel about president biden keeping his promise? >> i feel great about his keeping his promise. you may recall when i first offered that to the president as being a part of his platform to run on i didn't have anybody in mind. and didn't put in a name until i saw too many other names proposed and i thought, well,
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there's a young lady here in south carolina i think is a very, very qualified. so i blanked her name among all the others. and as you recall, there are a couple dozen out there, all of whom are highly qualified. and though my candidate did not make it to the end, she still is an outstanding person and the one who made it to the end is an awesome nominee. judge brown jackson is an incredibly prepared judge. she will make an outstanding jurist and i'm pleased that the president has put her name forward. >> and if memory serves, judge childs has been nominated to -- it's the, is it the d.c. court of appeals or district court in south carolina? >> she is on the district court in south carolina. been there for about 10 or 11 years. she has been nominated by the president for the d.c. circuit,
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which is the court that judge brown jackson currently sits on. her nomination was made and her confirmation hearing was postponed when her name came up for this consideration here. >> let's just remind everyone the d.c. court of appeals is considered to be the resting place for future nominees and future supreme court justices. whip clyburn, what is your reaction to senator graham? he voted for judge jackson the confirmation to the d.c. court of appeals and now saying her nomination means the president has been captured by the far left? >> well, i don't know anything about the far left. i'm often put to the far left by a lot of my colleagues. then i pick up some source and it says that i am not progressive enough. others say i'm moderate.
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i don't know what i am, but i know who i am. and i think that this is an outstanding nominee, and i would vote that my friend lindsey graham will come around to support her as he did before. >> uh-huh. all right. switch gears and talk about the state of the union on tuesday. the president goes in to his first state of the union with approval rating at 37%, according to the latest "washington post" poll. where the president's speech be the reset that he needs? >> you know, jonathan, i never keep this book far from me. >> hmm. >> this is truman. i keep the book around simply because i believe strongly that president biden, and i have written about this and i believe it. he finds himself in the same place. the same place truman found
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himself back in the 1940s. when this country was wrestling with states' rights led by strom thurmond from south carolina. wrestling whether or not to integrate, trying to put a black woman on the supreme court. these issues are being, in this country, under the head of critical race theory. so i would say to joe biden, stay true to yourself. you have demonstrated time and time again that you know what this country is all about, that you know who you are and keep pursuing the perfect union that all of us are permitted to. so these numbers, if you go back, truman's numbers were in the tank. now people looking back saying, harry truman. ranks among the best presidents we ever had, and i have always
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compared joe biden with harry truman when it comes to this. people talk about other former presidents. it's harry truman. i would say to the president, take a look at david mccullough's book, that i go to almost every day in adding so much of what you're doing today after what history teaches us was the case for harry truman. >> congressman james clyburn of south carolina. the majority whip for, of the house. thank you as always for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you very much for having me. and coming up, a new survey reveals just how much the world has changed for the lgbtq community. although the fight for equality continues, it's a whole new era today. my take, after the break. my take, after the break. .. ar. here. aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods.
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when i came out to my mother in 1990 her first words of advice were to not tell anyone. she said, being gay could hurt my career. the reaction was as pain fall as it was understandable. back then the world was a very different place where a 20-something lgbtq american. the age of today's generation z, being an identity that wasn't heterosexual meant living in a nation neither tolerant nor accepting's even in a gay mecca such as new york, the few out of the closet still seen as
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courageous. imagine my pride seeing gallup's new data showing more and more americans publicly embracing their gender identity. ten years ago 3.5% self-identify lgbtq. largely gen z leading the figure. reached adult meaning oldest among them is only 25. as an out gay sub saysive generations come out early, they face challenges only compounding my awe.
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in texas, transyouth now considering "child abuse" and governor abbott issued an odious directive to agencies investigate such "abuse." in florida, legislature pushing through an irresponsible measure dubbed the don't say gay bill forbidding discussion of genter identity and sexual identity in schools. lgbtq americans can still be fired. basic freedoms missing in 29 states for lgbtq plus americans. progress remains slow eastern grudging, but so much changed since i was genz's age back in the -- love has picture -- back in the '90s. same-sex couples can legally married. lgbtq work at all members of the federal government including the
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cabinet with pete buttigieg serving as our married with children partner. and i'm out. a columnist at the "post." a contributor to pbs news hour and anchor here at msnbc. i'm thrilled my mother was proved wrong, and so is she. perhaps the best thing today's lgbtq americans have that my generation didn't when we were 25 is public support. when the don't say gay bill mde news, the president of the united states, and tweeted to every trans kid in texas, you're amazing and belong right here in texas. of course, actions have always spoken louder than words, but this gen x gay man is old enough to remember when we in to fight hard as we could just for the
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words. the arc of our moral universe started to ban when we demanding acknowledgements and equal justice under the law. a world in which 21% of genz is comfortable as something other than heterosexual shows it's not just beginning either. up next, my conversation about this ray of hope and the danger it's facing in republican-led states with rashad robinson, president of the color change. robinson, pr the color change. th 5g. that's the one with the amazing camera? yep! every business deserves it... like one's that re-opened!
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nothing while that happens, members. >> the recent gallup poll revealing more adults than ever before identifying at lgbtq, level of entrenchment from lawmakers is disappointing but not at all surprising. leaders of florida and texas taking aim at lgbtq plus kidsporting policy criminalizing them simply for existing and then they other states signaling they won't suit. what will the future look like for generation j joining me, rashad robinson, president at color of change. rashad, great to see you. thank you for coming back to the "sunday show." how do you make sense of such encourages data about the numbers not identifying as something other than heterosexual in the face of rampant republican attacks to roll back hard-fought rights? >> well, this is often times, jonathan, how it all works out.
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right? that as social progress happens for any group, particularly groups that have been oppressed, we see the backlash and we see the pushback. so if we look at numbers of the sort of rising numbers of lgbt look at how that is impacting this backlash, this fear of adults, this fear from conservative forces and the right-wing. these retrenched forces to push back and stifle this progress. and we see it across so many different issues. so i think what we all have to think about is not whether or not the numbers of lgbt folks or people identifying as something other than straight is going up, but how are the numbers of people willing to fight for social change, willing to stand up and make sure their voices are heard. not just people who identify as lgbt, but people who identify across the spectrum. not just the number of people who identify with us, but the number of people who are willing to fight with us and fight for the type of social change.
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and across the intersection of experiences, recognizing that in order for lgbt americans to achieve all the social progress we deserve, we need to make sure that that progress is also extended to people of all backgrounds. >> um-hmm. you know, rashad, my friend on twitter, josh kruger, tweeted something that i want to get your reaction to. one of the things he says is i've been struck by the lack of coming out stories by generation z. they're never in. it's true. they're never in. so how do you think that will impact visibility? because -- i know i'm older than you. the act of coming out was a political statement. so now that it's less of a political statement, will the impact be less? >> i think the politics are changing. i remember ten years ago, 11 years ago when i was at g.l.a.d.
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when we had breakfast in the morning and they would ask people their coming out stories. toward the end of my time before i went to color of change, people didn't have coming out stories the same way. that's over a decade ago. so this has absolutely been changing. and so that i think is really important, that we can't mistake presence for power. and this does get back to power. how we are building political power, the type of power that absolutely changes the rules. so i think it's absolutely very different for me as a black man in america than it was for my grandfather, than it was for my great grandparents. it's absolutely different. that just means that along the way, we have to continue to feed and engage a base of people, to educate, to do the work, to help people understand where the fight still is needed, where we have to lean in together, where we have to build power, and who
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we have to hold accountable. all of that has to be part of the identity. when coming out was such a radical political act, and it's become more and more normal, what we can't lose is part of that process, a deep understanding that the rules are not fair, and in order to build power, in order to actually leverage power, we have to do the work to change the rules. and i fundamentally believe that when oppressed people win, when oppressed people across all sort of social backgrounds win, it adds up for all of us. the forces at times holding back lgbt americans are the same ones trying to ban martin luther king, rosa parks from our schools, are the same people that didn't want girls to learn math, that did not want evolution taught in our schools and we have to do the work to both expose those forces and build a much broader and stronger base of people of all backgrounds to fight for a better tomorrow. >> see, rashad, you're another
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welcome back to "the sunday show." i'm jonathan capehart. we begin this hour with the latest on the russian invasion of ukraine. the u.n. security council is set to meet this afternoon and is expected to vote to convene an emergency special session of the entire general assembly. only the 11th time it's done so. this is happening as russian president vladimir putin orders his nuclear deterrent forces to be on high alert after the u.s. and europe impose yet more sanctions on russian banks. today ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy agreed to hold negotiations with russia at the ukrainian/belarusian border in an effort to bring a diplomatic end to the war. also today, the u.s. announced that it will give an additional $54 million in humanitarian aid to the people of ukraine as the
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u.n. estimates that 368,000 people have already fled the country. amid all this breaking news, i spoke with white house press secretary jen psaki earlier this morning. jen psaki, thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." >> thank you, jonathan. great to be here with you. >> so, jen, the a.p. is reporting based on russian state owned media that russian president putin has put nuclear deterrents on high alert. how is the white house reacting to this ominous news? >> well, jonathan, this is exactly the kind of manufactured threats that president putin has been using since the beginning of this crisis to justify further aggressive action. what is fact here is that russia is under no threat from nato, has never been, is under no threat from ukraine, has never been. it is russia and president putin
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who are taking the aggressive action. so this is just an attempt, an escalatory attempt to justify itself. we need to be clear eyed and call this out for what it is. >> jen, can you confirm a report or an announcement made by ukrainian officials on telegram that ukraine has re-taken kharkiv from the russians? >> i unfortunately can't confirm any military developments on the ground, jonathan. but what i can tell you is that we have seen a courageous and bold efforts to push back on russian aggression from ukrainian military, from leaders on the ground. we've seen president zelenskyy stand firm and speak to the people in his country even in the face of a very challenging circumstances. so while i i can't confirm the military developments on the ground, i can assure you we've seen a great push back,
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courageous bush back from military and leaders. >> let me get your take on other breaking news out this morning, that is talks have been agreed to on the belarusian/ukrainian border on ukraine and russia. what is the white house reaction to that? >> well, this has always been up to the ukrainians to determine whether they wanted to engage in those talks and under what conditions. i believe there's been reports from russian media as well as maybe some ukrainian media -- i don't have any additional confirmation from here, but certainly it's been up to them to determine under what conditions and if they would pursue that. and the most important component here is we support and have the backs of the ukrainians at this very difficult moment in their country. >> has the president -- has president biden spoken to president zelenskyy today, sunday? >> not yet today, jonathan. the last time he spoke with him, what president zelenskyy asked
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for was additional assistance. that's what president biden pushed the team to deliver on last night and we announced an enormous security package that we are already starting to deliver to give the ukrainian people, the ukrainian leaders more to push back and courageously fight against russian aggression. >> one of the things that the united states and the western alliance did yesterday was to detach some russian banks from the s.w.i.f.t. system. this is something that a lot of people have been calling for. why not detach all of russia's banks from that system? >> well, jonathan, there's more that we can do as it relates to sanctions. though i will note, we have taken such significant sanctions, steps against president putin, against russian leadership. we have essentially cut off the majority of the russian financial and banking system from the global community. just to put this in perspective, the most comparable other country where we have taken these actions is iran. so it's that significant in
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terms of the steps we've taken. it's also significant because president biden rallied the world, europe, to take steps no one thought they would take a few months ago. the fact that europe, this is a european banking system, agreed to take this step is doing it in lockstep, is very significant and speaks to the unity among the global community against president putin. so, of course, there's more steps that can be taken and we will reserve the option to do that, but i just want to note the significance of this. we are already seeing the impact on the russian economy. the ruble is the worst performing money in the world. you're seeing reports of russian costs going up across the country. the inability to have access to the international banking system, we can build from there, but it's been very significant what's already been done to date. >> my "washington post" columnist colleague ann
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applebaum said sanctions are being considered. >> we reserve the option to do additional sanctions. what the president's focus has been from the beginning are three principles. one is ensuring we're unified with the europeans. that has been incredibly powerful. and, again, because of president biden's leadership, we have been able to far surpass what anyone would have thought possible in terms of the unified strong actions just a couple of months ago. the second principle, jonathan, is to ensure we are maximizing the impact on president putin and the russian elite. remember, we've also gone after oligarchs. we've put in place export controls, which means in plain english, it makes it very difficult for president putin to export in key materials to both help support his military, but also expand some of the industries that he wants to expand in russia. and the third principle is we want to minimize the impact on
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the american people and the global market place because at the end of the day, we're not trying to tank our markets. we're trying to keep them stable and try to minimize impacts like on energy prices for the american people and others. we want to do it through those three principles and that's how we're viewing this. >> has president biden spoken with president xi of china? >> he has not yet spoken with him recently. obviously he's spoken with him a number of times over the course of his presidency and long before that, jonathan. i would say what's interesting as we watch the global community right now is the chinese have implemented some of the sanctions or they have been abiding by some of the sanctions that have been announced out there. they spoke out against -- in favor of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of ukraine. last week at the munich security conference, and they abstained from the vote at the u.n. security council meeting. but this is not a time to stand on the side lines. this is a time to be vocal and
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condemn the actions of president putin and russia in invading a sovereign country. and, you know, this is really a moment for every country to decide what part of history they want to stand on. so certainly it could be president biden could speak with president xi. i'm certainly not going to rule that out in the future, but there's also important steps for the chinese leadership to look at themselves and really assess where they want to stand as the history books are written. >> you know, it really is significant to my mind just how relatively quiet china has been throughout the war over these last few days. i've got to get you on two more things, jen, before i let you go. >> sure. >> the president is giving his first state of the union address, and he's going into this address with an approval rating in the latest "washington post" poll at 37%. what can the president say, what will the president say to start the process of turning those numbers around?
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>> well, first, jonathan, i think the american people can certainly expect to hear from the president his assessment about the strength and the resilience of the american people. there's no question we've been through an incredibly difficult time in this country. whether it's covid, the economic downturn, and all of the challenges people experience every day. he's going to talk about his commitment to building up the middle class and ensuring that we are giving people the breathing room they need. but he's also going to talk about how he believes the best days are ahead. so that's part of what people can expect to hear in his speech, and his belief, he should never bet against the american people. i will note, jonathan, just for the history purposes, we're all semi historians around here, yourself included. when you look at moments when presidents have given state of the unions. when president obama gave his state of the union, it was during the worst financial crisis of our lifetimes. when you look back at president
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bush gave his state of the union, it was shortly after 9/11, the worst terrorist attack on our homeland in a lifetime. what presidents do is they lead during crises. they lead the world during crises, and that's exactly what president biden is doing. you can expect, the american people can expect to hear him talk about that as well, standing up against president putin, standing up against autocracies. that will be part of his speech. >> and real fast, squeeze this in, senator lindsey graham of south carolina who voted to confirm judge ketanji brown jackson to the d.c. court of appeals, now says that president biden, far left has won president biden again. donald trump yesterday at cpac said that she was a radical left zealot. your reaction to republican reaction to judge ketanji brown jackson being nominated to the supreme court. >> well, that just doesn't bear out in fact, jonathan.
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ketanji brown jackson, yes, she is a history-making nominee. but as the president was making the decision about who to select, who to nominate, what was so compelling to him about her, not only her impeccable credentials which are unquestionable and supported by democrats and republicans, but the fact that she is very much in the model of former -- of justice breyer, that she clerked for him, that that is the model she would follow. and she is also somebody who has ruled at times in favor of democrats and in favor of republicans. she has served under democrats and republicans. she is first and foremost an impeccably qualified judge. so i think the real question, and maybe senator graham will come on your show -- i'm inviting him on your show, jonathan. i hope that's okay. >> fantastic. >> maybe he will come on or other shows and answer the question, what exactly has changed for anyone since they last supported her? and what about her impeccable
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credentials and record and real record of ruling on both sides? brings anything to question. and i think she really deserves bipartisan support and deserves a shot at that. >> well, i hope senator graham takes you up on her invitation to my show. white house press secretary jen psaki, thank you, as always, for coming to "the sunday show." >> thank you, jonathan. coming up, remember that time donald trump was impeached for withholding military aid from ukraine while asking president zelenskyy to dig up dirt on joe biden? my next guest certainly does. don't go anywhere. t guest certas don't go anywhere.
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show up, however you can, for the foster kids who need it most— at the united states support for ukraine as it defends itself for russian invasion has included more than $1 billion in military aid over the course of the past year. lest we forget, it was military aid for ukraine already facing russian aggression that donald trump withheld while pressuring
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president zelenskyy to investigate biden's family in that so-called perfect phone call in july 2019. makes you wonder, what would this whole thing look like if donald trump were still sitting in the white house. who better to ask than congressman adam schiff of california. he led the prosecution in the first impeachment trial of donald trump. he is the chair of the house intelligence committee and author of midnight in washington. chairman schiff, thank you very much for coming back to "the sunday show." >> it's good to be with you. >> well, chairman schiff, you are never far from donald trump's mind. let me play what he had to say about you at yesterday's cpac, whatever that was. >> like adam shifty schiff, what do you need people for like this? he actually made up a story about my phone call with the president of ukraine who, by the way, is a brave man. he's hanging in. he's a brave man.
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>> now, chairman schiff, you're used to the name calling, but this idea that that phone call with president zelensky was a perfect phone call is ridiculous, isn't it? >> it is ridiculous. and as you say, just a reminder for folks of who that first impeachment was about -- first of all, it is important for people to recognize ukraine has been at war with russia for a long time. back during that impeachment, there were ukrainians fighting and dying every week at the hands of russians and russian-backed separatists donald trump was holding back military aid to ukraine to extort zelenskyy of ukraine to help him smear his opponent joe biden. he cared that little about the future of democracy to use that country, withhold its military support, to get that political
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help. and so if he were president today, you know, again, he would view ukraine as something -- simply a disposable tool in his hand to better himself with putin who he so admires. he would be calling putin a genius as he is today. god help the people of ukraine if he were the president right now. >> talk about how important it is to have the united states, the european union, and nato in lockstep in pushing back against russia, because that -- when donald trump was president, that was not assured. >> no, it wasn't at all. he was -- donald trump was busy during his four years denigrating nato, isolating us from our allies. it would have been a very different world if the united states right now wasn't able to rally nato and europe together to oppose this russian aggression. you know, i have to give hats off to the biden administration
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as jen psaki was saying, in persuading europe and our other allies to join and really unprecedented sanctions against russia, something that you would only have to point to iran as the only other example or maybe north korea of even stronger sanctions regimes, cutting them off their central bank and their other banks, employing the s.w.i.f.t. system and essentially divorcing them from that system with respect to a lot of their banks, the abundant military financial aid we're giving ukraine. it's really astonishing how the world has come together to oppose this naked aggression by putin. >> you know, not to -- another thing that donald trump said yesterday in that speech, he, of course, had to talk about the january 6 select committee. you are a member of that committee. he called you all a collection of, quote, unquote, thugs. he accused you guys of persecution. that's a quote from him -- of
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him and his family. he called it a witch-hunt. any of that true? >> of course not. but this is a continuation of trump saying that russia was a witch-hunt, ukraine was a witch-hunt, january 6 is a witch-hunt. look, he takes the position that the election itself was the insurrection, and that the january 6 attack on the capitol was somehow legitimate. in his upside down world, this is how he views things. but these are not disconnected, what's going on in ukraine and donald trump's presidency and his attacks on our democracy. we are in a struggle, a global struggle right now with the future of democracy. putin recognizes that as we do. ukraine poses a real threat to putin because ukraine is the potential of being a thriving democracy on russian borders, giving an example to the russian people why they don't have to live under the despotism of vladimir putin.
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donald trump was weakening the ukraine and the united states and our own democracy in this, in this struggle, this global struggle over whether we're going to be an autocratic rule or a democratic one. so these phenomena are not disconnected from each other. they all go to the future of our democracy. >> um-hmm. two quick questions, chairman schiff, before i let you go. as chair of the intelligence committee, how concerned are you by the news from the national archives that among the papers taken by donald trump from the white house were classified, some of them even stamped top secret? >> well, it's very concerning. and the fact that as has been publicly reported, some of those documents may be so highly classified, they may have been compartmented which means small numbers of people can see them and they can't describe them according to public reporting in a public document even in a veiled way. that's very concerning. and, of course, what really leaps out at you is the
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hypocrisy of donald trump for years attacking hillary clinton over her emails, and what does he do? he brings boxes of documents, some at the perhaps highest levels of classification. it just grabs you by the throat, the sheer hypocrisy of it all. >> and last question. as a member of the january 6 select committee, can you tell us when will televised hearings start? >> i think they'll start within the next couple months. certainly i hope so. what we're trying to do is have a series of hearings that tell the story of what happened on january 6 and what happened in the run up to that terrible day. all the multiple lines of effort to overturn the election. and there is a natural progression we'd like those hearings to take place in, but we want to make sure that we can get our interviews and our depositions largely out of the way before then so there's nothing to disclose publicly that would in any way undercut what we're doing in these depositions. >> congressman adam schiff, chair of the house intelligence committee, am ember of the
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january 6 select committee, thank you as always for coming to "the sunday show." >> thanks, jonathan. coming up, some republicans are actually praising putin, and all to appease the former guy. we have two great analysts who will dig into all that after the break. t analysts who will dig into all that after the break. even in a little seedling. which, when turned into fuel, can help power a plane. at chevron's el segundo refinery, we're looking to turn plant-based oil into renewable gasoline, jet and diesel fuels. our planet offers countless sources of energy. but it's only human
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moniacal dick terrorist, he'll take it every time. sadly what's more disturbing is the growing number of other allies vladimir putin seems to have here in the united states. >> democrats in washington have told you you have a patriotic duty to hate vladimir putin. it's not a suggestion, it's a mandate. it might be worth asking yourself since this is getting serious, what is this about? why do i hate putin so much? has putin ever called me a racist? >> very capable. i have enormous respect for him. i've been criticized for saying that. i have enormous respect for him. >> look at russia, can we have a round of applause for russia? [ applause ] >> yes. >> putin, putin. >> the whole reason this is happening is because joe biden is a weak president, now america is a weak country and our entire world is falling apart. we're seeing war erupt which did
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not happen under president trump because we had peace through strength. >> ah, y'all, come on. so, why is the party of reagan -- which one saw russia and communism as the evil empire now seemingly rooting for putin? joining me now to try to answer that question, here on set with me, charlie sykes, editor at large, and max, securities studies senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. okay, charlie, since you're here on set with me, your reaction to both what donald trump had to say on cpac and that montage of crazy we just saw, especially the chants of putin. come on. >> no, this is a disgraceful moment. this is not the party of league an any more, it's the party of trump. what you demonstrated there was the entertainment wing of the republican party is all-in on either being pro putin or
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anti-anti-putin. this is important because right now there seems to be a moment when most republic elected officials are reading the room and recognizing, you don't want to be justifying this aggression by vladimir putin and they're sort of sounding like they're kind of hawkish. but we have to remember that the entertainment wing of the republican party is still the dominant wing of the republican party. they are still the id of the republican party. these useful idiots out there may be looking bad at the moment, but don't, don't under estimate their ability to pull the republican party back at a trumpian direction. again, this is a very clarifying moment because you've been talking about all morning, this is a former president who has praised vladimir putin, who has appeased vladimir putin, who actually tried to extort the president of ukraine. if you ever wanted a moment of moral clarity of what strength looks like, what patriotism looks like, what betrayal looks like, it's right there. but, jonathan, we've been here
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before and we've seen how the republican party reacts. >> um-hmm. max, i would love your reaction. i'm just so gobsmacked by what we showed coming into this segment. but your reaction to everything that we've seen so far. >> well, my reaction would echo what senator romney said on another network earlier this morning. as you know, he is one of the few republicans of conscience left in this party where he said, it makes me almost ill. this is nearly treasonous what we're hearing from some of these pro putin republicans, the ones turning gop into the gang of putin. it is shocking, jonathan, and just underline the point that charlie was making, the entire world right now is united in condemning putin's villainy, his aggression against ukraine. this is a battle of good versus evil. we see where a lot of republicans stand.
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it's striking the most public political leader, donald trump, and the most popular republican broadcaster in america, tucker carlson, are both unabashed fans of putin. there are very few like mitt romney or liz cheney to call them out. this is a disgrace. it's shocking. i still can't believe somebody who grew up in the republican party of ronald reagan of 1980s when he was calling the soviet union the evil em pifer, i still can't believe this is where the republican party has wound up, but this is where it is. i keep hoping there will be some kind of re-calibration. i was hoping the republican party would end its infatuation with trump. that didn't happen. now i'm hoping after the invasion of ukraine the republican party, a lot of the maga base will end their infatuation with putin and authoritarian. sadly, i'll be disappointed in that regard as well. >> you know, max, i keep thinking back to a question that
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was asked of vice-president harris at the munich security conference after she gave her speech. from the president of the organization, who kind of put her on the spot by asking her to give assurances to the world and to europeans that donald trump wouldn't come back. i understand where that question comes from, because folks are worried. and tell me if i'm wrong, but our allies are worried that this moment that we're in is just an interregnum of what we had four years ago, a united states run by a president with ought oi karat i can tendencies who has more in common, feels he has more in common with vladimir putin than he does with nato, the eu and the allies who have been stalwart allies of the united states for more than seven decades. >> well, i wish i could say that those concerns are groundless, but i fear that they are, in fact, rooted in reality. i mean, if you look at it right
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now, donald trump is the clear front runner for the republican nomination in 2024. i would go so far as to say i don't think anybody else will even run against him if he throws his hat into the ring, and he could easily get the republican nomination. and then he could just as easily, i think, defeat joe biden or vice-president harris depending on the state of the economy. right now you look at president biden's approval ratings. they're under 40%. that's shocking. that's terrible news for democrats. they're almost certainly going to lose the midterm elections in the fall. and it's setting up a very tough reelection campaign in 2024. and guess what, donald trump is making clear that he loves putin, he called his invasion of ukraine an act of genius. said it's very smart. and so you have to be concerned, is donald trump expecting putin to help elect him once again as he did in 2016? >> charlie, i'm going to give you the last word here. >> well, i share the concerns
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because in a lot of ways this feels like january 7th. you asked about this before, where you had a moment where you realized how absolutely unhinged and irresponsible and traitorous donald trump was. but then republicans took a deep breath and decided they were okay with it. that may happen again. on the other hand, we do have this moment of clarity. the reason that vladimir putin did not invade ukraine when trump was president is because he was getting everything he wanted. he saw donald trump as the way to break up and undermine nato, and that's what's at stake now in trump 2.0. you bring donald trump back, and donald trump will destroy the alliance that we are now seeing standing up against vladimir putin. and quite frankly, i guess i do have some residual confidence in the american people they will not want to do that. >> i have residual confidence, too. y'all better not disappoint. charlie sykes, max booth, thank you very much for coming to "the sunday show." next, republicans have made
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it's been less than 48 hours since president biden nominated judge ketanji brown jackson to the supreme court, and we already know how republicans will try to tank her nomination, by painting her as a, quote, unquote, radical. what they don't realize as a black woman on the supreme court for the first time in 200-plus years is radical in a good way. joining me now, christina greer of fordham university and author of black ethnics. also with us msnbc contributor anna, and tim miller. professor greer, thank you for coming to "the sunday show." i've been trying to get you for weeks, and i'm glad you are here because i want to talk to you
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about this nomination, and what judge jackson, and basically what we in the country are about to witness now that we have a black woman nominee. senator john kennedy of louisiana, who went to oxford by the way, said before we even had a name, he said, number one, i want a nominee who knows a law book from a j. crew catalog. please, i know that's offensive. it's horribly offensive. but talk about that and how much more racism, sexism and misogyny we can expect as this nomination wends its way through the process. >> right. i think kimberly crenshaw and her analysis of inter sectionality will have to deal with in the next few weeks.
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whether you're working at the local fast food restaurant, the racism and sexism that will be on display, i want to sort of say to black women out there, this is going to give us a lot of ptsd in certain circumstances that we've had to deal with in our own professional careers. there is nothing radical about justice ketanji brown jackson. her skin color may be radical to some. the idea that a qualified, hyper qualified black woman will be on the bench is something that a lot of senators have already said that they can't justify and they can't digest. we've seen lindsey graham moving the goal post. this is all of a sudden going to harvard or yale is a bad thing. we saw this with obama having two ivy league degrees or michelle obama having two ivy league degrees from princeton or harvard. now we're seeing men who have degrees where she is too elite or too out of touch.
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she was a public defender, the first since thurgood marshall. her qualifications are longer than a cvs receipt. we're seeing so many senators trying to justify their own racism and sexism when they seamlessly voted for brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett where they are abysmal and embarrassing to a certain extent why they should be on the supreme court. i think we need to just hold tight for the type of attacks that we'll see on this very qualified black woman. >> christina, i burst out laughing over your cvs receipt comment because it's threw. her qualifications are huge. and, two, on the "washington post" editorial page today, the cartoon that we have there today shows exactly what you're talking about with judge jackson pushing all of her qualifications on that trolley with justice kavanaugh behind her saying, what, no beer? tim, what's the real -- what's the republicans' real fear with president biden's
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selection of judge jackson to the supreme court? >> well, to be honest, their own voters, jonathan, is the answer to that question. what's their real fear. i think that ten, 15, 20 years ago you would have had republican outliers making coded racist or sexist remarks or whatever. i think you would have seen an overwhelming confirmation of justice jackson. she's already been confirmed actually in the mid '50s, spot on the district courts. i think what you're seeing right now is in the trump era, there is this demand of republicans, republican politicians to put on this performative trolly cruel fight because they think that's what worked for donald trump. they think that's what attracted republican voters to donald trump. in a lot of cases they're right about that, so i think they feel
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if they move this confirmation through without, you know, putting on the performative fight, then there would be backlash among the voters. that's why you see senator kennedy, you pointed out, went to oxford doing his fog horn like horn routine and pretending that he's offended by her. it's all just a big show. but, you know, the consequences of the show are real and, you know a lot of times the voters that are hearing these remarks believe the offensive attacks that are being put forth by their politicians and so there is a kind of never-ending feedback loop of this cruel trolling. >> let's put our feet on the ground here. how likely is it, do you think, that judge jackson's nomination will be scuttled? she's got the votes to get out
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of committee. democrats have the numerical majority with vice-president harris as the tie-breaking vote. and thanks, mitch mcconnell, supreme court nominees can be confirmed with a simple majority vote. so not likely that republicans, even if they hurl racism, sexism, misogyny at her into the process, that they can scuttle her nomination, is there? >> well, look, i think if history is a guide, there's a couple of things we should point to, right, which is despite the comments you've seen from a number of republicans so far. to tim's point, really does seem like kind of reflexive republican push back this president largely as a messaging tool. the last confirmation hearing she went through last year, she had all 50 democrats support her and also the republicans to back her. that includes lisa collins, susan murkowski and lindsey
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graham. it is baffling for us remembering last year because it is a complete 180. he did say in his official statement he looks forward to a respectful but interesting confirmation hearing. so i think what you'll see moving ahead is a lot of republicans raising some of the same kind of hesitation or criticism, however you want to categorize it, they had before, looking at her own lived experience, what role she thinks race would play, specific cases from her past as well including her record as a public defender. and they'll go through those motions because, in many cases they have to. but the paper kind of speaks for itself, right. her qualifications are unmatched. and in this case, republicans may risk going too far if they do protest too much because on paper, she is a qualified candidate. that's why i thought it was incredibly interesting -- i was in the room -- in the hall, rather, when the announcement was made and president biden walked out with judge jackson
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and with vice-president harris, and most of his remarks, the overwhelming majority of his remarks were about her record and about her qualifications. and he also mentioned one keyword several times when talking about the fact that she got where she is, he said she got bipartisan support. so that argument has already been laid. we'll see what happens. >> all i can say is they better don't. that's all i have to say to republicans who might want to fix their lips to say something nasty about her. we're going to keep this conversation going, so don't go anywhere. conversation going, so don't go anywhere (swords clashing) -had enough? -no... arthritis. here. aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too soon.
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man is reckless, evil, and dangerous. there's two reasons why he could be doing this. one, because this war is not going well and he's being painted into a corner and he wants to be a stronger hand to try to negotiate a way out. the second one is, he's unstable, that he will literally try to have a nuclear weapon option going forward. at this moment in time, no country in the world should stand with putin. everyone should unite around the basis of what he just claimed to take in the last hours. >> whoa. wait, what? tim, help me understand here, doesn't kevin mccarthy want to be speaker of the house? doesn't kevin mccarthy want all those people to be on his side? everything he said there makes perfect sense and goes against everything that republicans seem to be saying about vladimir putin, including the guy everyone seems to think is going to run for president, donald trump.
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>> jonathan, i think there's this interest contrast right now within the party. look, far be it from me to compliment donald trump's little poodle most of the time, kevin mccarthy, and mitch mcconnell and the rest of the crew. but people who are in positions of responsibility, people who don't just have to speak to the entertainment wing of the party, as charlie sykes said in the last segment, people who have actual jobs, they're saying mostly the right things, right? it is the guy who's living down in mar-a-lago and doesn't have any job who is the one sucking up to putin. it's the television hosts on the rival network who are doing it. i think it's important to use this opportunity to point out how aberrant donald trump is, how dangerous donald trump is, and to try to further wedge him away from, you know, the small, i guess, remaining rational elements of the republican party. so that's basically how i assess
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what's happening, the conflict between mccarthy and trump. >> tina? >> i would add kevin mccarthy actually reads, unlike donald trump. kevin mccarthy understands the danger, an insecure man being painted into a corner is a threat to the entire world, especially someone like putin. when you have someone like donald trump, who doesn't care about anyone but donald trump, who doesn't care about a larger european war we might be pulled into, that doesn't concern him, he's thinking about his own attention and how he can make more money off the situation. it will be interesting to see how this shapes the republican party in the months going forward, especially if putin continues to double down, because there's a real divide between republicans who care about the country, but also don't want to see a worldwide incident especially with someone with nuclear arms, and then the other faction of the party
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that's consistently growing, the donald trump wing, where they're just so interested in xenophobia and following along with whatever rhetoric donald trump is saying, they fundamentally don't understand the danger putin poses. >> tim, there is a divide within the republican party on this, but there doesn't seem to be any daylight between the united states and the alliance when it comes to pushing back against putin. and that, i think, to my mind, is the more important relationship to pay attention to. >> i think, jonathan, it's important to look back, before the invasion began, it was easy for opponents of the president and republicans in particular to criticize and use praise of putin or how putin has managed the situation to criticize president biden. once the invasion happened and over the last four days of fighting, the calculation has
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completely changed. as professor greer has pointed out, as tim has pointed out, it's a different world we live in now. it's now one of those which side of history will you stand on moments. republicans who have familiarity with the rest of the world works are saying what they need to say at this moment in time. but yes, the u.s. has led the way and now there's very little daylight between the u.s., uk, nato allies. japan is joining the support to sanction those russian banks and cut them out of that s.w.i.f.t. banking system, which is an enormous devastation for the russian economy. that's huge, that's all the g7 leaders now on the same page about that. president biden has messaging this too, over the last four days, as putin has continued to escalate, and it has been putin leading escalatory measures, the
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united states has responded with a more unified response, more sanctions, more eu and uk partners, and more g7 leaders rallying behind. the momentum is there, the unity is there. that flies in the face of everything putin has working towards. it also, on the u.s. domestic political side, makes it harder for republicans and critics of the president to say he's not leading in the moment. but it's a tenuous situation, four days of fighting, it's still ongoing, we don't know what will happen next. >> that is right, we have to keep that in mind, this is war, and war is serious and goes a whole lot longer than anybody wants it to. thank you all very much for coming back to "the sunday show." and we'll be right back. > a.
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