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>> that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. lawrence, rough times. >> yes, ali we're going to continue the breaking news coverage of the situation with the united nations tonight. but there are other things happening today. we will be covering the latest developments in the life of defendant trump. and there are important ones. more about with president biden is working on tonight in addition to ukraine, involving his supreme court nomination. >> i'm glad you're doing that, because we had hoped to have had that conversation. i'll be tuned in for that. >> listen, ali, your full hour on ukraine was very important coverage. i was listening to every word of it. i'm very glad that i have that
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as a basis for where we depart from now. >> thank you, my friend. have a great show. >> thank you. tonight, the president of ukraine told the people of ukraine we are on our own land. we are not afraid of anything or anybody. ukraine then requested an emergency meeting that the united nations security council tonight, ukraine requested a security council meeting actor let him or putin said russian troops will conduct so-called peacekeeping exercise in the donbass region of ukraine, which putin today formally recognized as independent. here's the united states ambassador. lindathomas-greenfield at the security council tonight. >> putin wants the world to travel back in time. to a time before the united nations. to a time when empires ruled
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the world. but the rest of the world has moved forward. it is not 1990. it is 2022. >> vladimir putin signed a declaration today recognizing the donetsk people republic and the mintz people republican called by putin anyway. recognized by independent, when in fact they're part of eastern ukraine, but have been revolting against the government of ukraine since russia started supporting that revolt in 2014. in a rambling statement to the russian people today, which was televised around the world, vladimir putin said, let me emphasize once again that ukraine for us is not just a neighboring country. it is an integral part of our own history, culture, spiritual space. over 190,000 russian troops massed at the 1200 mile border with ukraine, vladimir putin said if he does order those troops to invade ukraine, quote, the complete responsibility for the possibility of a
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continuation of bloodshed will be fully and holy on the conscience of the regime ruling the territory of ukraine. at the united nations tonight, ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said this. >> president biden issued an executive order today, that will prohibit new investment, trade and financing in the silk all dpr and lpr regions. tomorrow, the united states will take further measures to hold russia accountable for this clear violation of international law, and ukraine 's sovereignty and territorial integrity. but we and our partners have been clear that there will be a swift and severe response with russia to further invade ukraine. >> a white house statement said listen executive order is distinct from the swift and severe economic measures we are
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prepared to issue with allies and partners in response to a further russian invasion of ukraine. we are continuing to closely consult with ukraine and with allies and partners on next steps and urge russia to immediately de-escalate. the president of ukraine spoke with president biden by phone tonight. president biden also spoke with french president emmanuel macron, and german chancellor olaf schultz. -- president walensky said, we're calm. we're grown-ups. we've been ready for this for a long time. there is no reason for your sleepless night. what will happen next? we want peace. we are dedicated to diplomatic means of solving this issue. we're not reacting to any provocations. our borders are secured. as soon as we see escalation, we will let you know. heading off our discussion, our foreign affairs analyst and
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opinionated columnist for usa today -- host of the deep state radio podcast. a social professor of clinical science and contributing writer to the week. and eugene -- associate editor for the washington post. he's an msnbc political analyst. eugene, you've seen many emergency meetings of the united nations security council. but here we are again tonight. and the issue once again is the behavior of russia and this time, as an oppressive force over ukraine. >> yes. let's be clear what just happened. russia once again invaded a neighboring sovereign nation. ukraine. they did it in 2014 when they
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seized crimea which they've annexed- now they have seized this eastern donbass region, were part of it. i don't think this is over. i don't think -- the bulk of the russian army on three sides of ukraine, just to take this very small corner of ukraine. i'm afraid that we will see more of the same in the coming days and weeks. >> david, i want to give you an open microphone to react to the day's events. >> i think they're extremely serious. putin's speech was more angry and more unhinged, frankly, than many people expected. he not only decried the history that took place during the post soviet era, he decried the history that took place during the soviet era. he said that russia should sort of revert back to the view empire that it had during the -- period over 100 years ago. he also said he does not care about sanctions.
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he does not see any reason for further negotiations. he posed a threat, not just to ukraine, but to anything that was part of the soviet union. anything that was part of russia. and so those states, the baltic states, poland, czech republic, slovakia, etc, all must look at this and say, this is deeply threatening. i suspect all of them look at it and say we are glad we are part of nato. and the challenge for the administration is going to be, how do you respond to this in a way that actually gets putin to step back? because we cannot concede what he has seized today with a piece of paper, much as we did concede crimea or georgia in 2008. that's going to require collective effort of the united states and all of the eu, all of our allies will have to work together on that. i'm looking forward to much tougher sanctions from them tomorrow.
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>> professor faris, does vladimir putin understand the threshold that he is on? he must understand that russia does not exactly have a stellar record of successful invasions of countries that don't want russian troops there? >> no, i think putin knows exactly what he's doing, but i still think that he is making an enormous strategic mistake, here. if this is about nato expansion into ukraine, i think that this could end up having the precise opposite effect. this could spur new discussions in finland, sweden about joining nato -- this could spur increased defenses in europe. it could spur a movement away from dependence on russian natural gas in europe. in other words, the ultimate outcome here could be a worsening of russia's strategic footing.
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and that's because war is costly and it's a failure to resolve differences by other means. it's incumbent on the u.s. and its allies to make russia feel as much pain as is possible here without getting into a shooting war. because again, i agree with david, that the speech today was completely insane. and it suggests that he views the settlement at the end of the cold war and all the constituents -- walked away with their borders intact. he wrote -- he regards it as legitimate. he intends to continue this campaign on his borders indefinitely, until someone draws the line on the sand or someone stops him. so, i think he thinks he could get away with this and he probably has reason to believe that given the recent history, but i think things are different now. i think there's a lot more attention on ukraine than there was, and a lot more interest among the u.s. and its allies and putting a stop to this, finally. if nothing else, then really
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making russia feel an enormous amount of economic pain, particularly russian elites. >> eugene robertson, vladimir putin's speech was not targeted to us. it was targeted to the russian people. he knows we have access to other information, but he is trying to make sure that the russian people don't, and what the russian people know about this as would let a mere putin tells them and what he tells them today. and so to the extent that it was a desperate case, it was a desperate, contorted case that he was making to russian people, who as of today, he was acting as if they may not be convinced that russia has to do this. >> indeed, they may not be convinced that russia needs to do this, because if ukraine, if ukrainians are our brothers --
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russia's brothers and sisters. they are the same people as putin keeps saying, then why are you attacking them? why would you attack our brothers and sisters rather than sit down and talk with them and work out arrangements whereby their rights are fully protected, etc. so he has a selling project to do with the russian people, i suspect, but as you pointed out, he lets them hear what he wants them to hear. he has successfully done away with most independent media in russia, and as we know, unfortunately propaganda does work. say it out loud and say it again, so you keep repeating this message and sadly often, it's effective. and successful. but we will see if this drags on, if the sanctions really bite.
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then it might be a different story. >> david --, did vladimir putin make the case to the russian people, or enough of the russian people today? >> i guess is he made the case to estimate for the day, he doesn't need anybody else's permission. i think what happens in the long term however, it's gonna be how they feel, much as americans do, about kitchen table issues. russia's economy is in bad shape. if we institute the sanctions that have been talked about, sanctions that hit his friends, the oligarchs, hard, they make it hard for russian industry to compete, because we keep them from getting chips and other essential technologies that they need. if that makes the russian economy falter more, makes it harder for them to -- their energy at some point, well he's already got a democracy movement there. that's a problem for him. he's had leading generals speak out against going into ukraine even before he has gone in,
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which is very unusual. of course, we need to remember that when russia went into afghanistan and that turned bad, that was one of the things that contributed to the downfall of the soviet union. i think putin is aware of this but he seems to be proceeding anyway, and if ukraine mounts a resistance. if russia goes in and this lasts a long time, and it's costly for them, it could turn difficult for him on the domestic front in a way that his past incursions have not. >> the russian ambassador is speaking at the united nations now. if the control room can pick up with the ambassador is saying, let's see if we can listen in. >> there is no translation available right now. no live translation. professor faris, to the point we were just making, this case is now being made to the
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russian people to the extent that this is being covered, anyway. at the united nations, the ambassador knows that he has to speak to the russian people while he is speaking at the united nations, and i suppose in russian media they can simply exclude everything else that is set tonight at the united nations? >> sure. they can tell the russian people whatever they want. i think what was missing from putin speech today of course that on what's being said right now, but it's preparing the russian people for hardship that might result from this decision. that is, crippling sanctions on russian banks is not something that's just gonna be felt by the wealthy, but it could affect all russians. the economy moving forward. and there was nothing on the speech today that suggests that he is prepared for things to go badly. invasions do not always go as planned. whatever his ultimate war aims are here, we still don't know whether he plans to stop in
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these two provinces or whether he's going to create a territorial quarter to another breakaway region in maldova the, or whether he tends to overthrow the democratic regime in ukraine. all of these things are pretty unprecedented in the post world war ii era. i think, i'm not sure that here the russian people are prepared for the ultimate outcome here, which could be having to install some kind of public regime in kyiv and rule over a broken and hostile country. i don't see the upside there for russia. i think that putin is acting capriciously here and i don't know there's anything you could say to the russian people, ultimately, if this goes south on him. i agree, it could destabilize the authority chambers in moscow. >> david faris, david -- and eugene robertson, thank you very much for contributing to our coverage. coming up, yale university history professor timothy snyder will speak about his response to the history of ukraine as taught to the
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nations is speaking right now to the united nations security council. let's listen to some of that for the outcomes of the decision to invade. recognition of the occupied parts of the dumbas region of ukraine may be considered as unilateral -- by russia by the minsk agreement. disregard of the decisions taken in the framework of normandy 4. this snap undermines peaceful efforts and ruins the existing negotiating frameworks. by the decisions adopted today, and those that may be adopted tomorrow, russia legalizes the presence of its troops, which have actually been in the
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occupied areas of donbass since 2014. a country that has fueled the war for eight years is not able to maintain peace as it claims. what will happen next? . we want peace, and we are insistent in our actions. today the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine has sent a request on the basis of the budapest memorandum to the guarantors of ukraine demanding immediate consultations. the meeting of the un security counter and the special meeting of the oh ac -- >> joining us now is timothy sanders. timothy snyder, sorry, a professor of history at yale university and author of the road to an freedom, russia, europe, and america. professor snyder, i want to get
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your reaction to the situation as it is breaking at the united nations tonight. what we just heard from ukraine's ambassador, coming after this very historic day for this country. >> i will start with what the russian ambassador was saying. i realize you didn't have translation, but what he was claiming was the russian aggression today is a result of the ukrainian provocation, and that is a very important word in the russian military vocabulary. provocation. when they try to do is get the other side in some way to expose itself. if the other side doesn't, as ukraine is not, it says it has done so anyway. it turns that is of course a completely false, and i'm struck in listening to the ukrainian ambassador, how calm he is, which is a contrast, not just with the mendacity of the russian ambassador, but also with the hysteria of president
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putin's speech earlier. today. he was very wide ranging rhetoric to explain what he was doing. >> putin today said modern-day ukraine was full and on whole created by russia. he basically gave the russian people a history lesson about ukraine. what would you, what are your comments on that history lesson? >> it was surreal for me. i actually was taking part, as mr. putin was speaking, in the examination of a doctoral dissertation by a young retrain cranium historian. it's very strange, when you're surrounded by the reality of ukrainian history to hear distant tyrant declare that it doesn't exist. obviously he's wrong. not the soviet union, ukraine, opposite is closer to the truth. the soviet union transform it did, that, is as a union of republics with national names, precisely because the founders
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of the soviet union knew that there was a ukrainian question a knew they had to address it in some way. ukrainian actual movement went back 100 years before it -- the soviet union. the elements of ukrainian history go back to the middle ages. yeah. he's got it completely wrong, but it's more important politically, what he's doing. when you deny that another nation exists, you are making a claim that it is okay to destroy that other nation. this kind of language, that another nation doesn't exist, is something we have to pay attention to, because usually precedes to a atrocious actions. >> vladimir putin also talked about his belief, or the way he said it, he believes the united states would find a way to sanction russia no matter what they did, even if they did nothing in the ukraine. and he said the purpose is single, to keep russia behind, to prevent it from developing, and they will do it before,
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even without any formal pretext, just because we exist. we will never give up our sovereignty, national interest, and our values. what was your reaction to that? >> russia is the biggest country in the world. the west does not threaten russia in any material way. the problems that russia has with this development have to do with the fact that its wealth is highly concentrated in the hands of a few man who happened to be the same men who run the country. those are the problems that russia actually has. the rhetoric that mr. putin is using today is designed to flip the story so that the men who are incredibly wealthy and powerful can portray themselves as victims as of an international conspiracy. the question is whether enough russians would go along with that.
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putin has a real problem here. his first told his people that there is no way he's going to invade ukraine. now he has invaded ukraine without any kind of provocation whatsoever. i think russians are going to have something to think about in coming days. >> we'll russians see this as an invasion of ukraine? our reporting so far rip reports that there is no russian movement beyond where they already were in certain separatist areas of ukraine. >> i think what mr. putin is trying to do, at least at first, is to go step-by-step. as your viewers will know, russia invaded and occupied part of ukraine in 2014, and it is what mr. putin did today was to recognize or offer russia's official, quote, unquote, recognition to two breakaway republics on the territory of the ukraine, and now he can send troops to those republics on the logic that these are existing sovereign entreaties, which they are not. that muddles the picture, but the fundamental story, the point of international law is,
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russian troops, russians say more russian troops are illegally entering ukraine. you're right from the point of view of concerns of russian media, this may not seem like a tremendous change in the status quo, but what from what i am reading, from perceptive russian observers, they recognize the something faith shameful has started. >> that's vladimir putin look across the border at ukraine and think, okay, this is a low cost, cheap, easy win for me. i can invade ukraine, do it quickly and easily, and have a big win. >> i think what you are describing very well is mr. putin in around the years 2008 to 2014, tactical putin, there has always been tactical putin and ideological putin, but under the impression of the last few weeks, especially this speech today, it does seem like ideological putin is gaining the upper hand and that perhaps this version of the russian
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president is less concerned about the costs that an ordinary leader might be concerned with. >> professor, before you go, talk about the history of suffering in ukraine, which could be an area where we are going to see a great deal of suffering very soon. >> this is the heartbreaking part about it. here we have a country that has been independent for 40 years and by fits and starts, a couple of young generations are making their way towards having a normal life. that has been interrupted by the war 2014. it's terrible to think it will be interrupted again, especially against the backdrop of their parents, grandparents, great grandparents, having lived in a country which suffered so much during the 20th century. ukraine was at the center of suffering in the stalinist soviet union. millions of people died by famine. tens of thousands more by a great terror. and then ukraine was at the
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center of hitler's worldview, the center of nazi war planning, so that horrific numbers of people in ukraine, ukrainian jews, but also non jewish ukrainians, died in horrible numbers during the german occupation. between 1933 and 1945, when both of those horrible rulers were in power, ukraine was the most dangerous place to be on earth. ukrainians have a right to interpret that history. i think they have a right to ask for a future that is better than that passed. >> professor timothy snyder, thank you for joining us on this important night. we appreciate. it >> thank you. and coming up, defendant trump. a ruling by federal judge could bankrupt donald trump at the same time the prosecutors in new york and georgia are conducting criminal investigations of donald trump. that's next. my doctor recommended eliquis.
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program before, 75 year old donald trump is going to be a
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defendant for the rest of his life. the appeals process alone and the massive cases of civil litigation in which he's already a defendant, as well as the possible appeals process of any cases in which she might become a criminal defendant, will easily last at least ten years from now, and possibly longer. in the new york daily news, pulitzer prize winner david cay johnston, summarizes what it feels like to be defendant trump tonight. the headline expected -- ahead i expected indictments in new york and george, i can dissing 20 civilized, it's massive legal bills and keeping a payments on 1. 3 billion dollars of debt as his businesses struggle. his three golf resorts in scotland and ireland have lost
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more than $100 million in just seven months, he must refinance his 100 million dollar trump tower loan. and, his accounting firm has dropped donald trump as a client just when he needs them the most. the biggest thing at risk for defendant trump is money. if donald trump is convicted of crimes, he will not spend any time in prison, because it would be functionally impossible to incarcerate a former president along with his full secret service protective detail, and so a judge would simply order the secret service protective unit to in effect take custody of donald trump while he serves any criminal sentence in home confinement. in other words, his life as a convicted felon would look exactly the way it looks today, without the rallies. it is the loss of money that donald trump has to fear the most, the largest amount of
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money at stake for defendant trump is what a washington, d. c., federal jury could order him to pay. in civil lawsuits filed against donald trump for, in effect, inciting the attack on the capital. on friday, federal judge ahmed meta, denied donald trump's request to dismiss the cases completely. in a 112 page ruling the judge explained why donald trump will now have to submit under oath questioning in the civil lawsuits about the attack on the capitol. quote, president trump's january six rally speech was akin to telling an excited mob that corn dealers starve the poor in front of the corn-dealers home. he invited his supporters to washington, d. c., and directed them to march on the capitol building. the metaphorical corn-dealers house, where those very politicians were at work to certify an election that he had
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lost. the judge said that the lawsuits contained quote, numerous examples of the presidents communications being understood by supporters this direct messages to them and, in the case of the january 6th rally, as a call to action. the court well understands the gravity of its decision, but the alleged facts of this case are without precedent. joining us now, daniel goldman who served as the house impeachment inquiry majority counsel for the first impeachment trial of donald trump. he's a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and an msnbc legal contributor. daniel, i'd like to begin with these massive civil suits filed against donald trump for the attack on the capitol, and what the civil liabilities could be in those cases. >> yeah, there's a lot of liability for donald trump in
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those cases as well in a potential civil enforcement action by new york attorney general letitia james, and an additional order from a judge last week, ruled that donald trump had to sit for a deposition in that investigation. so on the civil front, i agree with david cay johnston, that the walls are really closing in. when you combine those two judicial orders with the mazars accounting firm, essentially withdrawing from its representation of donald trump, his finances and the finances of the trump organization are as much in jeopardy as they ever have been. there's a very different story right now and what is going on on the criminal front, and whether donald trump would be indicted for any crimes when those investigations appear to be going slowly, if at all, in the case of the coup attempt. >> and when you look at the
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criminal side, there's a criminal investigation in new york, there's a criminal investigation in georgia, the investigation in georgia seems very clear. we all know much of, if not all of, the evidence in the georgia case. the most important evidence being donald trump's taped phone call. we don't have anything like that kind of insight into the real evidence in the new york criminal investigation. >> the new york criminal investigation is going to be very similar to the civil investigation. it's a financial investigation that i suspect is examining whether or not donald trump or others in the trump organization intentionally misled banks, insurance companies, tax authorities, by misrepresenting and evaluation of properties and other issues, to essentially defraud them into giving donald trump more money for reducing his tax
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liabilities. that's a very hard case to make. and it is because you really have to show that donald trump knew that he was misleading these insurance companies, and for someone who does not email and does not text it's very hard to find that proof as a prosecutor. you would need a witness who he spoke with and explained how he wanted the scheme to run and right now it's unclear whether there is such a witness that would cooperate against him. the standard in the civil case though is a lot lower. you don't have to show that criminal intent that you do in a prosecution, so donald trump and the trump organization could very much be on the hook for very similar evidence but just in a civil context where
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money is at stake and frankly, the existence of the trump organization, the attorney general in new york who dissolved the trump organization if there's a pervasive fraud. so the same conduct is the issue in the civil investigation, but it's a lot harder to make a case in a criminal investigation. >> to go back to the january 6th lawsuits, judge -- made the point, made a real distinction between donald trump junior who has been named as a defendant in those civil lawsuits, and rudy giuliani also named as a defendant. he did dismiss the cases against them and kind of surgically removed their words that were being used against them and then put context around them to say, in the case of giuliani's public comments, he didn't say to specifically go up to the capital right now and do something in the way that donald trump did.
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the judge made a very important distinction about donald trump saying they should all go in the capitol and fight like hell. donald trump even himself saying he was going to go with them. >> that's true. and i think the other thing that really motivated judge meta is the pattern and practice of donald trump's call and response to his supporters. when he said, as you pointed out, stand by during the debate and the head of the proud boys, said standing by, sir. when he said that people should go and protest in arizona shortly after the election, the election facility was surrounded by angry protesters. the list goes on, and i think that the impeachment managers in the second impeachment did a really good job of laying out how donald trump had to have known the impact and import of his words, and when he did ask his followers to do something
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or did mention that they might want to do something, they went ahead and did it. if it happens one time where they said i didn't know he was going to do it, for example, russia if you're listening it would be great to find hillary clinton's emails, and five hours later russia did that, well that was in 2016. now by 2020, he's done it, in 2021, he's done it so many times. he's seen the reaction. he cannot claim ignorance anymore when he says that. that differentiates him from don jr. and rudy giuliani and some of the others. >> daniel goldman, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> my pleasure. >> coming up, we're going to go back to the united nations security council meeting. we will have more breaking news on the united nations meeting about ukraine. that's next. a quote today.
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-- after the security council meeting and said, just now my russian counterpart made assertions without evidence that demonstrate their efforts to create a pretext for conflict. and it is alarming, it is revealing, and it is shameful. every un member state has a stake in what comes next. joining our discussion now is tim o'brien, senior columnist for bloomberg opinion, and eugene robinson is back with us. and tim, we have the beginnings today of sanctions by the biden administration, based, first, on vladimir putin simply recognizing, as independent, the rebel controlled areas of ukraine. there are more sanctions to come. what can we expect to see in future sanctions? >> i think one thing the
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russians learned, lawrence, from the sanctions that were imposed after putin invaded and annexed crimea in 2014, was that they had to insulate themselves from the dollar. russia now has massive currency reserves on order of 630 billion dollars, very little is dollar denominated, it's gold. the state budget has been pared back. so putin and his regime have gone very far to protect themselves from the kind of sanctions that the west imposed after 2014. what is being considered now is much more dramatic than what was imposed in 2014. there is considerations about cutting off russian banks from the international banking system and going much more aggressively after assets controlled by the coterie of
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oligarchs surrounding putin. that is not going to have an immediate effect and probably little will have an effect on putin himself. a lot of speculation about how much money putin has and where it is stored. the reality is, he can steal money from the russian state anytime he needs it. it's going to be hard for any western power to get to putin personally. it's going to be hard for sanctions in the near term to have an immediate impact. russia has braced itself. but over the long term, what the west is considering to do will cripple the russian economy. they are not going to be able to insulate themselves from that indefinitely. at the same time, it could also have a boomerang effect on western economies. russia is the second biggest producer of titania in the world. german manufacturing relies on russian natural gas. to power, one of the biggest manufacturing engines in
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europe. so any of these sanctions will also bounce back on the west. i think what you're going to see is a tightening of the economic news around russian economy and a game of cat and mouse to see how long that can last. >> let's listen to what president obama said about the russian economy in 2016 in one of his last discussions with the press in his presidency. >> the russians can't change us or significantly weaken us. they are a smaller country. they are a weaker country. their economy doesn't produce anything that anyone wants to buy accept oil and gas and arms. they don't innovate. but they can impact us if we lose track of who we are. they can impact us if we
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abandon our values. >> we know that that kind of accurate description of the weakness of the russian economy is the kind of thing that drove vladimir putin crazy. the russian economy is half the size of california's economy. i don't have a single thing in my house or anywhere that i own that was made in russia. not one part in my car was made in russia. not one part of anything and not one piece of it was made in russia. this is a failed economic arrangement that vladimir putin has led into just permanent failure. >> yes. that's fine with vladimir putin. this is where he is, and he is satisfied with it, happy with
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it. in addition to having what is, in many ways, a failed economy. who was it who said if russia was a gas station with a nuclear weapon, and yes, he has nuclear weapons and he has a much more modern, better equipped army than he had ten or 15 years ago. and so, russia is a force on the world stage because of that. rather than because of the things that make other nations great, like china and germany and these roaring economies. russia doesn't have that. putin doesn't care. >> here is more of what ambassador linda thomas-greenfield had to say tonight. >> tomorrow the united states will impose sanctions on russia for this clear violation of
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international law and ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. we can, will, and must stand united in our calls for russia to withdraw its forces, return to the diplomatic table, and work toward peace. thank you. >> so tim, we're going to get our first look at what the real sanctions package is tomorrow. >> i suppose in addition to some of the other things we have talked about, there will be technology blocks on the import and export of technology, of technological goods. this can have an impact on a range of russian needs, from cell phones to military weapons. again, we are not, i don't know that any of this in the short term is going to prevent vladimir putin from putting the russian people through an economic ringer in the service
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of his own broader goals for reestablishing russia as a player on the global stage. i think it's going to take a lot of time for us to see that play out. >> tim o'brien and eugene robinson, thank you so much for joining our discussion tonight. >> thank you. >> up next, tonight's news about the supremely qualified women president biden is considering for the united states supreme court. that's next. so you for what you need. cut. liberty m... am i allowed to riff? what if i come out of the water? liberty biberty... cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ hey businesses! you all deserve something epic! so we're giving every business, our best deals on every iphone - including the iphone 13 pro with 5g. that's the one with the amazing camera? yep! every business deserves it...
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that will mean he will chosen a nominee faster than any democratic president in decades. and obviously, he somebody who has two as leader of the free world impressively united states conduct business on a number of fronts at the same time. >> jen psaki gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour starts now. good evening once again, i'm chris chance in, day 398 of the biden ministration. tonight, tensions are sky-high as moscow moves ever closer to setting off a war that joe biden and u.s. allies have spent weeks trying to prevent. several hours ago vladimir putin signed a decree ordering troops into two russian-backed separatists regions in eastern ukraine. where the russian military is ever-present since 2014. he's calling these forces quote, peacekeepers. putin issued the order after formally recognizing both areas as being independent republics.


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