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an article of impeachment against president trump was introduced today, as more emerges including this video, we should warn you, is violent, and many viewers may find disturbing. it's a scene described this way about "the washington post," quote -- as a mob of pro-trump riots and attacks the capitol one man in a white backpack grabbed a police officers by the helmet and dragged the officers down the stairs. one man even bashed the prone figure repeatedly with a pole flying an american flag. i could and shoot stop here, right? it should be enough to remove donald trump with the 25th amendment, but reps today blocked that effort. they blocked it in the house. they wanted to urge vice president mike pence and the president's cabinet to do just that,ic voke the 25th the amendment. instead an article of
impeachment was introduce, and it's gaining bipartisan support. it reads in part, quote, president trump gravely endangered the security of the united states and its institutions of government. he threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power and imperil a co-equal branch of the government. if the 25th amendment isn't invoked, the house will vote on wednesday to impeach the president a second time, which would be the first president ever to be impeached twice. this follows a weekends of heinous new revelations about wednesday's attack, including the death of a second capitol police officer, as well as a mounting rebuke of trump's incitement from the mob, even some who have voiced support for his impeachment and removal from office. >> i think the best way to our country, chuck, is for the
president to resign and go away as soon as possible. i do believe the president has disqualified himself. i don't think he's a viable candidate no office ever again. >> i mean, what we had was an incitement to riot at the united states capitol. we had people killed, and to me there's not a lot of question here. so, you know -- >> so you think it was an impeachable offense? >> oh, sure, yeah. >> you would vote to impeach? >> i think in inciting insurrection isn't, i don't really know what is. the investigation includes this terrifying new detail from the outgoing capitol police chief steven sund, who said in an interview with "the washington post," he now suspects the pipe bombs were an intentionally effort to draw officers away from the capitol perimeter. all this new reporting on the sophistication and brutality of the attack raises new fears about the ongoing threat imposed by trump's incitement. congressman crow's office has
released a readout of his conversations with the army secretary, which includes this -- secretary mccarthy indicated that dod is aware of further possibility threats posed by would-be terrorists in the days up to and include inauguration day. a new memo out just this afternoon from the fbi warns law enforcement agencies across this country about possible armed protests at state capitols in all 50 states and washington, d.c. where he start with some of our favorite reporters and friends. clair mccaskill is here, also white house reporter for associated press, the a.p. out with stunning tiktoks, and it the bylines of the times reporting, he's the times homeland security correspondent. jonathan, let me start with you. we didn't quote from the a.p.
reporting, that's my mistake, but take me through some of the layers you unpeeled from the heinous and brute at nature of the attack has become more clear over the weekend. >> nicolle, you are forgives. what we have learned is first of all this was not the work of antifa despite what some conservatives are saying. these were trump supporters, by and large. this is something -- this is a moment in american history that we won't seen forget. it's also something, as we go further from wednesday, the details of the event only grow more horrifying, nicolle, as each day brings out new video. we're seeing up-close images of how bad things were and how much worse they almost got. we saw incredible bravery of a capitol police officers who was standing outside the entrance, was able to trick the crowd to
following him to his right rather than go to his left, which is where the unlocked, unmanned door to the senate was, with dozens of senators still inside. as someone put to me who was involved in the investigation, we were perhaps just minutes away, a few different turns by the rioters and we may have had livestream public executions of politicians resulting from this. it was already a tragedy, and it could have been indeed so much worse. other footage of the police officer standing at the doors, doors about to give way when he has no choice to discharge his weapon, against saving lives. if that door his breached, who nose what devastation could have followed. and of course what do we have from the white house? silence. not just because the president's twitter account has been turned off. nothing at all from his team. nothing in terms of condemnation of what happened, or at this
point even more importantly, warnings to make sure it doesn't happen again. that's something that has washington on high alert right now, just a week after from joe biden's inauguration, the fear that another event like this could happen between now and then. some stuns reporting along similar lines in "new york times," your bylines on that piece as i referenced. you guys report -- president trump's call at a rally that day for the crowd to march on the nearby capitol was a spark that surely ignited deadly riots that left five dead, injured dozens of others and damaged the country's reputation for carrying out peaceful -- the tinder for the blaze had been gathering for month, are refusal to recognize joe biden, every dog whistle call that emboldened white supremacist groups to violently strike. that is the mousse sast succinc
distillation of what happened. your colleague has been reporting on the frivolous and fruitless nature of all 60 lawsuits. there was never a legitimate claim to voter fraud, yet every -- most every republican in congress carried on this lie. your piece makes clear that all of that contributed to the explosion of rage on wednesday. >> right, there was a massive failure among law enforcement agencies coordinating any type of security plans on the day of. let's be clear, the missteps in preparing for this event took place over the course of weeks. even the past year, really. let's remember that there were groups espousing white nationalist, racist views, neonazis also participating, and when president trump came into
office, they cut funding that was meant to prevent domestic terrorism, just as the homeland security department has been accused of suppressing warnings overall. at our reporting showed, in the weeks leading up to this, there was a lack of collaboration among when requests before being made urgently for at the time forces to help out, there was hesitation because of reaction that some in the federal government received for their aggressive deployments still under investigation from last june. let's be clear, it's not just limited to the anecdotes that we have reported on from that day where it was observed where you have certainly individuals that were being overly friendly or
lacked reinforcement of the rioters, but what the reporting has shown is there was a trickle-down effect when you have a president of the united states that villainizes certainly protesters, and rather, when it comes to other demonstrators, other rioters who may be his supporters, there is a trickle-down effect in how you deploy law enforcement to respond. >> let's pull this out as only you and i can do. i think the grief and the sorrow of what we saw last week, at least for me over the weekend turned into irrepressible fury. this is a racist riot that donald trump incited after charlottesville, by name-checking good people on both sides. he called them to arms at the first debate against joe biden
by saying stand back, stand by. then he let them loose on his own vice president. they were chanting "hang mike pence" at other riots right now. at any point -- i don't like to say this, at any point, we could be covering more violence somewhere else, because donald trump has not called off the proud boys. he has not called off the incitement. he has yet to say stand down. >> by the way, neither have his enablers. neither have his inner circle, and the members of congress. i mean, nicolle, here is the thing that gets my blood boiling. there are republican senators and republican members of the house of representatives that know this was the big lie. in fact, all of them know it that have any intellectual capacity whatsoever. think about it for a minute.
if there was evidence of fraud, trump's lawyers had it. if they had it, they would have presented it to a court. if it was real, the courts would have acted in his favorite. not only are they bringing down our democracy from a legislative branch, they're bringing down the courts, too. 77% of the republican party believes thrifts widespread fraud. i lay that at kevin mccarthy's feet, mitch mcconnell's feet, josh hawley's feet, ted cruz's feet. when you let a liar go on and on and on and let him injection this poising, you can't stand by after this debacle, not admit what you have done, and ask people to forgive you and ask them to stand down and lock arms to put these violent thugs where they belong. >> i know this is something that
you drew folks' attention to, claire. gabe sterling, before the big lie, and before donald trump's war on georgia, gabriel sterling was the kind of republican who would have been a natural ally for donald trump. he was one of the first ones to warn that someone was going to get killed. let's watch. >> it has to stop mr. president, you have not condemned these actions or this language. senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. this has to stop. we need you to step up and if you're going to take a position of leadership, show some. someone is guess to get hurt, someone is going to get shot, someone is going to get killed and it's not right. i -- i -- it's not right. >> claire, they were warned, josh hawley, ted cruz, the
people -- and i'm tired of this, they should have known better. they don't get credit for being well educated at this point on this show, but they were warned by one of their own. what gabriel sterling warned, what shook me, didn't shake any of them out of their zombie-like support of president trump, and we have the warnings in the last hour, that there's an ongoing threat to state capitols. >> first of all, i thought the reporting by ap was very important. i don't think that reporting should stop. we have to continually point out who they people were. they came to washington with homemade napalm. they bragged about armor-pierci
armor-piercing. they put up a noose. he called for the hanging of our vice president. they beat a police officer to death. these are the worst of the worst americans. these are not patriots. we do not love them. they will all get rounded up eventually. i know we're going to talk about this perhaps later, but i don't think everybody realizes the technology that's available to law enforcement in terms of who was tracking that capitol built and who was surrounding it. there will be hundreds of people arrested before this is over. >> if amazon knows what kind of milk chocolate i like, you can bet your ass that law enforcement can find the people running around crashing the capitol. an article introduced today on the assumption that the 25th amendment won't be invoked, a real steam of support bihind it, including from republicans who will be voting on the house resolution, senator, and
obviously chris christie at one-time trump debate preparer, but now a pretty vocal critic. what do you think happens next? >> i do not -- go ahead. >> i'm sorry, seozolan. >> my colleagues are looking into that now. i know there are reports coming out about that. i'm heard -- >> go ahead, claire. >> well, i -- impeach in the house, it will come to the senate and more people will vote to com ped him but there won't be two thirds. it's very important this hams, so we get people on the record, whether we think this man is entitle to do a pension, and entitled to run again under our system. whether he's entitled to have secret service protection the ritz of his life.
these are the things that the senate will have to grapple with, and they all deserve to be on the report for it. we all know who is on what side, because they all did nots for years. we did have seven now at the top of the list in terms of being sedicious. >> there is some recording about the president's defiance, i want to know what the people who work there think they're going to do on the 21st. they're now nonemployable, noncommercial. big businesses will not send money to the people voting to support the president. there's no way in hell any of those big businesses will hire anyone who worked for him and stayed. what's happening at the white house complex today? >> it's a ghost town. there were very few people who
are still there. we've had a steady wave of departures that have accelerated in the last fort night. those who are there are the true believers, the mark meadows, the kayleigh mcenany, just core people. we obviously know we've had two cabinet secretaries resign. certainly there are some who still feel they have a viable political future, the secretary of state pompeos of the world. some don't necessarily need the next job, but something who are still there, they have sorted attached themselves to trump and probably will have to remain in trump's orbit going forward. we've talked on other republicans who are extraordinarily dismissive and pessimistic at the chances they would be able to land a big corporate job going forward, which is often the case for a powerful white house attacher leaving the building.
certainly some lower aides are finding jobs on the hill among republicans, particularly very pro-trump republicans, but others may need to indeed attach themselves to trump, whatever his political future may be, but you're certainly right. just to end with the president's mind space is, we've reported he was far angrier about his losing his twitter account, and now losing a pga tournament, the government tournament at one of his courses than he is at the prospect of a second impeachment. that is his focus right now. he still is in a rage about vice president pence, believing he was, quote, be trayed when he refused to dessert fit the electoral votes. and he's found no need -- he's not listening to any calls from republicans to try to take the temperature of the situation down. he had to be cajoled into the
video last week, the heavily ed edited, heavily scripted video, only that night to is ec-guess it, thinking he might have been too harsh on his supporters, which we know is the most important. it's a disgrace. solan, i want to ask you about the police officers who lost his life. this is from your reporting, the united states capitol police officers died on thursday night from injuries sustained while physically engaging with pro-trump rioters who descended on the capitol, the fifth fatality to the chaos. the officer brian sicknick was only the fourth member of the force to be killed in the line of duty since its founding two centuries ago. the white house was very late and reluctant to lower the flag
to honor him. what do we know about how they're doing right now? >> as you noted, the investigation is continuing into his death, as to officer sicknick's death, but thus far the capitol police released a statement he physically engaged with the rioters, our reporting from sources saying as he was there doing his job, something did take a fire extinguisher and attacked him with it, and he died later on the next day after being admitted to the hospital. he was a veteran. his family has released a statement saying they want him to be remembered an somebody who always wanted to be a officer, a hero. just to build on that as well, we have been doing reporting looking forward as well, what kind of security concerns law enforcement officials have in the weeks ahead. it's important to remember we
still have an inauguration coming, where already we're seeing some of the far-right extremist groups already chatting online, plotting to do another type of gathering, potentially assault. we are expecting more information from the secret service soon on what they're going to do to prevent that from happening. >> zolan, tragically we've all been a the air at times of other violent events. there's always a law enforcement practice of briefing reporters, briefing people on the ground. to my understanding we're yet to be briefed by this police force. do you know why that is, zolan? >> i don't. i find it to be surprising, and i find it to be against the grain when it comes to any are any sort of tragedy we've had or any sort of mass incident. usually after disruptions like this, after any sort of killing,
and especially after what would be one of the more severe occupations of the capitol since it was burned down during the war of 1812, specifically in 1814, you would expect a law enforcement agency would be transparent with the public at this point. at this point we've not had that sort of full briefing. >> jonathan, do you have any reporting on why that is? >> it is a mystery, nicolle. we've been pressing on that very topic. it's pro forma whether it's a big police department to agencies, it is now five days later, and it still hasn't happened. the sense of it is that we have picked up so far, there is a reluctance to aliensate the thousands. the president, of course, as we've been discussing, doesn't want to condemn those any further. i think there's some apprehension in certain parts of the federal government about further al onating president
trump while he is still in charge for another week and a half or so. of course, there is the idea that a lot of agencies will not look great coming out of this, which of course is no more reason to brief. it's more important to figure out what went wrong considering the tragedy last week. >> just in my experience covering and being involved after 9/11, terrorists sense all the timidity and the hand-wringing. so jonathan, zolan, thank you for your reporting. claire is sticking around. when we come back, officials throughout government warning this afternoon of continued threats, not just in washington, but across all 50 states at their cap tolls. how law enforcement is responding, and and so a repeat of the insurrection doesn't take play. and president-elect joe biden saying he won't let rioters and criminals prevent
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this was planned out in the open for weeks. i knew. i saw reports of what people were planning to do. i thought that they had a plan to deal with it. it is just abhorrent to me that more wasn't done given the open nature in which this was planned. >> that was democratic congressman jason crow, on what is emerging as one of the most alarming aspects of the insurrection. law enforcement was incredibly unprepared, and they failed to take the warning seriously. nbc news reports that the fbi and nypd warned capitol police about the possibility of violence. the fbi visited more than a dozen extremists, urging them not to travel to washington. steven sund tells "the washington post" that his requests were either denied or delayed six times before and
during the attack, and even when they reached the, the pentagon pushed back over concerns about how it would look sending the national guard. one lieutenant saying, i don't like the visual of national guards standing a police line with the capitol in the background. and a warning from from the bibb, warning of possible armed protests at all 50 state capitols starting january 16th. it also says an armed group that is threatened to travel to washington, d.c. the same dame if congress removes president trump from office. joining our conversation clint watts, a former special agent with the fbi. claire is still here. clint, can you make some sense of all of this? you don't have to figure out to
get onto parler to find out what they were planning. michael flynn did an event, rudy giuliani, the whole fam and their girl friends were all there. it's why did they miss it? >> nicolle, it comes down to one thing, and it's because the president was involved. had it been any other situation, a black livers matter protest, imagine any sort of march on d.c., you would have seen a more sizable presence there. ic tell immediately from the size of that crowd, when i think were estimated around 8,000 people there were not near enough laws enforcement to deal with it. we should not be surprised. if you watch the footage of the people who broke into the capitol said, we did it. we were planning to do this, and we were telling people. sunday -- i think it was saturday, sunday before this was
going on, my teams that do a lot of social media tracking, we were like this is going to be a huge deal. we devoted more wry sources from our own monitoring, and analytical teams, because it was so obvious this was going to be a major scene. clint watts, what is the fbi doing both to catch the people who did this on wednesday, and to prevent future attacks at other state cap tolls and washington? >> i imagine both inside the fbi and all federal law enforcement and state and local law enforcement, it is just mayhem right now trying to keep up with all the leads. i think the saw something like 40,000 different tips being reported in. i cannot imagine an incident of this scale, this many suspects on such a large nationwide sort of manhunt at any given time, yet the inauguration is right around the corner, which means they have to do two things. they have to clean up and investigate the mess that's
occurred around this tragedy last wednesday, and they have to prepare for another mobilization potentially going in against the inauguration, and we have 50 states now that all may have different variants of this on inauguration day. they're just waiting to get acquainted to one group or another. it's probably the most stressful time for the fbi since 9/11. >> it takes your breath away. it does feel like the same kind of moment for the fbi, where there were multiple agencies involved in the failure to prevent it, but now obviously all eyes on the fbi to investigate and catch the perpetrators. claire, this is from jason crow's office -- army secretary mccarthy said at least 25 domestic terrorism cases have been opened as a result of the assault, long guns motte oto have coke tails, explosive devices and zip-ties were
recovered, which suggests a he greater at the disaster was narrow his averted. hoe do we deal with that as a country? >> i saw a reporting, a captain, a woman from fort bragg is a captain in psych ops, and she's up there at the capitol doing this. i mean, this is a gut check moment for the military to look at their active military that might have been there and what they did. this is also a moment that we need to reflect on the damage that ron johnson has done to our country. after charlottesville, there were many of us that asked for there to be a robust series of hearings about domestic terrorism in this country, about these men who were marching proudly with no hoods, no masks, spewing racist bigotry with torching, tiki torches, in the
streets of our country. we thought it was, you know, this was a huge alarm, that we needed to be looking at these groups, what they were planning, what they were doing, but ron johnson was busy with hillary's e-mails. so we never -- he might have had one off-hearing on it, but we never gave it the focus it needed. homeland security never got the push it needed from congress to pay attention to domestic terrorism. we know we lose more lives with domestic terrorism in this country than any other kind. this is turning the page and now we have to focus on domestic terrorism and really challenge the department of homeland security to start protecting the homeland from dangers within, not dangers without. the other thing i wanted to ask clint, is, clint, at the fbi, how are they going to weigh the need to look at those that are plotting and planning to do damage in the coming days versus the need for accountability and get on these leads very quickly.
is the evidence that they can get from, for example, cell phones within the capitol, can that sit long enough so they can provide enough manpower to do what didn't happen before january 6th? before january 20? >> yeah. that's a great question. thanks, senator mccaskill. i testified to senator johnson in the one hearing that happened in september of 2019. it was interesting, because he was very fixated on it not being the political right or replied cal level, just extremism in general. it was overwhelmingly clear this was on the far right, and it has come full circle now to this point. i think in terms of evidence and with the fbi, it's a capacity problem, but also a designation problem. first, in terms of capacity there's so many variants of these groups growing while the fbi and dhs have also been trying to fight off the
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in just nine days, nine days, joe biden will be sworn in as the country's 46th president of the united states. covid has already dampened plans for a larger celebratory inaugural ceremony, the ceremony will have an added snichx assist week. the president still plans to be inaugurated on the step of the capitol two weeks from the day that a mob stood on the same spots, but the theme of the inauguration will be -- he's expected to take parts alongside former presidents obama, george w. bush, and bill clinton, including laying a wreath. and as articles of impeachment
are introduced today, president-elect biden plans to avoid the debate, facing the pandemic. biden today received his second dose of the vaccine. let's bring into our conversation mike memoli, live in wilmington, delaware, and matt visor. mike, biden's candidates was about restoring of soul of america. this seems to be the new front on that, and it's literally come to his stage. what is his thinking? is it really to ignore it or float above it? what are his thoughts? >> reporter: as you think about what joe biden must be thinking at this moment, we knew heading into his administration, one of the most different tasks ahead was to follow through on his
pledge to unite the country, but also do what so many democrats think is required, accountability for president trump, for those in his administration, for the actions they took that they believe are counter to the rule of law in this country. this impeachment question is now forcing that conversation much earlier than even expected. you have seen the president-elect do everything he can do over the course of this transition to appeal beyond democrats, independents, and to include republicans, by being yes, very critical of the president, stingingly so at times, but also going out of his way, as he did friday, to praise those decent republicans -- mitt romney as a man of great integrity. i thought it was interesting, i spoke over the weekend with congressman jim clyburn, the majority whip in the house, but someone with serious influence in biden world. he was talking about the dilemma, he recalled what
happened in 2009. you'll remember joe wilson, the congressman from south carolina, when president obama was delivering a speech to a joint session of consequence shouting out, you lie. there were those, including clyburn, that thought that he needed to be censure, with what was seen as a serious breach of decorum, and he said that president obama called me and said let's put this best hind him, and you would imagine he's giving the same advice to president-elect biden. a principle is -- we need to send a message to the country this is unacceptable. shouting with us you lie" on the floor of the house is much different than what we saw last wednesday, to biden will have to wrestle with what the house wants to do, and increasingly as our own kasie hunt has said, the
temperature is growing hotter, even among some republicans, about moving forward with impeachment. there is some accountability here, and that's what they're wrestling with. >> wrestling is a usual disturbing way to look at it. chris christie saying, of all people, if insurrection isn't impeachable, i don't know what is. to mike's point, biden really wants to move past this debate. he views his election so othink biden, both the need and desire for some, from retribution, from payment from trump for his actions last week with biden's own desire to work with the country to work with republicans, and most past trump
and almost flush him from the political system. right all the inauguration, biden is going to article ton cemetery with all four past presidents. president trump will not be a part of this. he is moving on, you know, for biden. so i think this is a struggle for biden. you saw in his remarks today, him sort of looking for an exit ramp, some way for the debate to still happen, but it did not imperil the opening days of his admiration, which he wants to be about unity and moving past trump. that's going to be awfully hard if the whole city is consumed with a debate over impeachment, not talking about covid relief, which is the subject biden is most focused on. >> they're going to stand on the stage with more snipers on the roofs of federal buildings than
ever before likely in this country because of the donald trump. is there any angst inside biden's circle of advisers not having a forceful approach? he's called them domestic terrorists, he called is sedition. is he ruling out having his justice department pick up with the investigation and prosecution of the rioters? where is his team? at the everlyier stage of the transition carol lee and i reported that in fact biden was looking forward to a justice department potentially that would not be focused on looking backwards. it was put to us at the time that the early months of his presidency leaking backwards to what president trump done, but he wanted to turn the page and
move forward. you can almost envision with somebody installed as together, he was chosen for an important reason, he was seen an a jurist, with unimpeachable, to use a term, integrity here. maybe because this debate will be moving so hot in congress, he actually prefers to move this debate to the justice department, to announce some sort of commission to look backward and investigate this without the daily turn in the congress. >> like a 9/11-style commission. i have heard of that rumor as well. thank you, both. now a fellow congresswoman is dealing with the consequences of those choices in that room. that's next. choices in that ro. that's next.
this video taken from inside a room where many lawmakers huddled for their own safety, some of them for hours, shows six republican house members refusing masks, offered to them by democratic colleague, congresswoman lisa blunt rochester and today, new jersey democratic congresswoman, bonnie watson coleman, announced that she has contracted coronavirus and she believes she was exposed to it during the lockdown. joining us now is democratic congresswoman barbara lee of california. first, how are you? are you healthy and feeling okay? >> yes, nicole, thank you for having me. i tell you, these are very dangerous times for so many in the country, but i'm doing fine.
>> well, it would seem that if the republicans don't get you killed by a mob, their going to breathe their covid germs on you. what was their rationale for not putting masks on? >> well, it was the same rationale as they have had all along. first of all, they don't -- many of them don't use masks on the floor, and on wednesday, you know, i know the -- our house physician, i've noticed this, several times, he comes on the floor and asks them to put on masks, asks them to distance. of course, those that don't want to wear it, they just don't want -- they don't put on masks. and so, when we were in lockdown, of course, my colleague, she rose to the occasion, congresswoman lisa blunt rochester and she said, i'm going to try to see if these who don't wear masks will at least in here because there's no ventilation, no nothing, would consider putting masks on. and you see that they just sort of ignored her. they don't care. and this -- it started, of
course, with donald trump and how he downplayed and really set an example for the republicans and his followers not to wear masks, and so they're following their leader, and it's a shame and disgrace, because we know now that other members, unfortunately, are contracting the virus because of their irresponsible behavior. >> congresswoman, what information have you been given by capitol police about what went wrong on wednesday, about why they were so quickly overrun and why it was so frightening for all of you? >> well, we're in the process now of conducting investigations and doing afteraction reports, but a couple of things, because i was in the chamber on the floor, and one thing i know for certain is that the capitol police officers were overwhelmed with what took place. one police officer told me it was more like, unfortunately, a
war that was promulgated on the capitol, and they were not prepared. they did not have the perimeter established far enough away from the capitol. i mean, there are a lot of security breaches that occurred, but for the most part, many of the capitol hill police officers, when you look and especially the african-american police officers, many of them had to protect -- they were protecting us as members of congress, the building, and had to protect themselves because so many of these -- they're not protesters, these insurgents who were engaged in a coup or a potential coup used the n-word over and over again and so you had a series of failures that occurred behind not being prepared for such an onslaught, and that's what it was. but i have to tell you, nicole, reading social media, listening to this man in the white house and the type of violence that he
was perpetrating, what he was instigating, i knew that something was going to go down. i didn't know what, but i wore my tennis shoes on wednesday because i knew, just based on what i know as a layperson, reading and knowing nothing about security, really, although i've been in many dangerous situations, i knew something was going to happen, and so why in the world did not the police know, the capitol police, the national guard, why they were not mr. n plain place, i have nt we've got to get to the bottom of it because this was not only an attack on members of congress, the speaker, our vice president, it was an attack on our democracy. >> you wore your sneakers. congresswoman linda sanchez told her husband where her will was the night before. we all saw what was going on, and right-wing media, a lot of things, i think, to probably still unfold and emerge as the investigation goes on.
please stay in touch with us and come back any time with any developments. we're glad that you're safe from both threats, from the insurrection and coronavirus. >> thank you, nicole, and i have to just say, i thank the public, people called, they texted, they said, prayers, they really reached out to myself and all members of congress. that really helped us get through the day, so i want to thank you and thank everybody for that. >> well, i was in the white house on 9/11 and i have to say, with all of you kind of getting on tv and calling into our shows and talking about what you feel and what it's like, it's very helpful, i know, as a former staffer, to hear you all kind of talk us through it. so, you contributed a lot to our understanding of what was going on. thank you for that. >> thank you so much. the next hour of "deadline white house" starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere. e" starts aft quick break. don't go anywhere.
1938 that the nazi equivalent of the proud boys. wednesday was the day of broken glass right here in the united states. the broken glass was in the windows of the united states capitol, but the mob did not just shatter the windows of the capitol. they shattered the ideals we took for granted. they did not just break down the doors of the building that housed american democracy. they trampled the very principles on which our country was founded. >> hi again, everyone, it's 5:00 in new york. words there from former california governor arnold schwarzenegger that should send shivers down everyone's spine, the frightening similarities between last week's deadly ins recollecti insurrection at the united states capitol and one of the worst events in history. more details emerge about what took place that day, the chorus of calls to hold those who enabled it accountable becomes louder. the house working to do so by introducing an article of
impeachment against donald trump today for inciting the insurgency. the there are mounting calls for the resignations of two of his chief enablers, senators josh hawley and ted cruz, who pushed trump's false claims of election fraud and signed their names to the electoral college challenges, guaranteeing they would be aired -- those liars would be aired in congress on wednesday. the editorial board of the houston chronicle puts it sharply saying ted cruz's lies cost lives and they call on him to step down. it's a message josh hawley also received from his home state this weekend when hundreds demonstrated against him. the words, resign hawley, painted in big yellow letters on a street in downtown st. louis outside the old courthouse, and today, congresswoman cori bush introduced a resolution calling to expel the members of congress who sought to overturn the 2020 election and incite a violent insurgence. she claims they violated section 3 of the 14th amendment, which reads, in part, no person shall
be a senator or representative in congress who having previously taken an oath as a member of congress shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same or given aid or comfort to the memories thereof. the potentially unconstitutional actions of these republicans is even causing business leaders to reevaluate. marriott, google, jpmorgan and other big companies are suspending contributions to the republican lawmakers who challenged biden's win. in what amounts to a huge splap in the face for the trump brand, pga of america has pulled its 2022 championship from trump's golf course in bedminster. the association's president, jim richardson, essentially saying that trump is too toxic. >> it's become clear that conducting the pga championship at trump bedminster would be detrimental to the pga of america brand and would put at risk the pga's ability to deliver our many programs and sustain the longevity of our mission.
our board has thus made the decision to exercise our right to terminate the contract to hold the 2022 pga championship at trump bedminster. >> businesses finally hitting republicans and trump enablers where it hurts is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. sam stein, politico white house editor and msnbc contributor is here. also joining us, a.b. stoddard from real clear politics and gop strategist and cofounder of the lincoln project, rick wilson is here. rick wilson, i want you to explain the strategy and the framework and the parameters of the corporate name and shame campaign that lincoln project is engaging in. >> you know, nicole, this is a fairly bounded process. we are looking at folks who are the funders and the enablers and the money source behind the people that sought to overturn a free and fair election and to perform a, you know, for lack of a better word, a coup in
washington this week because they were on the floor of the senate, people like ted cruz and people like josh hawley, and people like marcsha blackburn ad ron johnson and a few others were on the floor of the senate going at the very fundamental underpinnings of our democracy and so we believe that the people that fund them, that support them, that keep them afloat financially and the committees that they represent need to be in the public eye. we think the public reaction to people trying to overthrow the government is not going to be a positive one and since we're conservatives at heart, markets matter, and market pressure matters and this is a classic market pressure campaign. >> i mean, rick, i think when you are dealing with the republican party that feels no shame, that stayed with donald trump after the "access hollywood" tape, that stayed with donald trump after charlottesville, that stayed with donald trump after he enslaved them to his heinous idea -- >> mania. >> yeah, of what the office of the presidency is, i'm not sure there's anything -- any other
lever to press. i want to put up a list of all the companies that are pulling their donations, and i want to ask you how it includes citi bank, facebook, google, microsoft, jpmorgan, blue cross, airbnb, blackrock. i want to ask you how durable this moment is and what you will do to make sure it remains durable. >> well, we think that there's going to be a long-term set of repercussions from the behavior of these individuals. we think what they did will stand out not only in the short-term but historically. it will always be the case that josh hawley and ted cruz and the others that were on the floor that day trying to incite this idea that the election had been stolen, trying to overturn the results of the election with a mob at their back, we believe that that will -- that that's going to have a long-term harm to their reputation, as it should. we believe that companies are not going to go out and say, well, this is a great brand investment for us. we also believe that a lot of
the people that have empowered and enabled this on trump's administration, among his staff, will also be in a similar situation. you know, ordinarily, as you know, working in the white house is a great career boost. people are thinking, i'm going to go out and get on a board, do speaking tours, go out and become more famous and well known and wealthy. well, in a lot of these cases, these guys are not going to do that because no board is going to want a steven miller on it. no board is going to want the, you know, the chad wolfs of the world on it. we don't live in the past where things sort of disappeared. we live in the era where the internet remembers everything, and i think this is going to be very difficult for these folks to escape responsibility, and especially there was one article today about, oh, well, these people in the white house suddenly think they waited a week too long to quit. no. you waited four years too long to quit. >> well, as you were speaking, one of the folks -- acting dhs secretary chad wolf announced
he's going to leave nine days before the end. you laugh, but i mean, doesn't -- doesn't dhs have a role in protecting the homeland from trump's -- >> supposedly. >> i mean, a.b. stoddard, at this point, if you've got a homeland security function, it's almost worse for your brand, if that's what these folks are worried about, to bail on your job in the last nine days than to just stay, no? >> nicole, there's fewer than ten days or ten days maximum left for chad wolf, who is overseas during an assault on the capitol, which he should have been involved in mitigating or preventing. because all of these -- all of these events, like the state of the union, inauguration, when a foreign leader comes and addresses an assembly of congress, the vice president spending the entire day at a capitol, that was all supposed to be a coordinated event between d.c. police, capitol police, and the federal agencies and of course dhs and fbi. there are plans for this.
they intentionally did not coordinate this, so he is culpable. he was out of town, overseas for this. he is leaving before the inauguration on purpose. just think of what we do not know. just think of how frightening this is. the security crisis that you outlined in the last hour, that the fbi has now told us, because they're panicked, that they didn't reveal enough before and didn't do enough so in mop-up mode there's telling us there's going to be armed protests in all of these state capitals and in our capital between the 17th of january and the 20th of january so the idea that chad wolf is trying to escape now is absolutely -- it's just unbelievable. but it's truly frightening, because there's so much going on that we're not aware of yet. >> i mean, sam stein, i pressed everyone that has been on this show since wednesday for a theory of the case as to why we've heard not one in terms of just a law enforcement briefing from capitol police. they have suffered the loss of life, two agents -- two officers
have lost their lives, one from injuries sustained in battling with trump supporters, carrying out the insurrection, and another died over the weekend. it is still an active crime scene, but in any sort of mass shooting or violent event, there's law enforcement on the scene that briefs the public. what is your understanding of why that hasn't happened with capitol police, sam? >> completely in the dark. it's disturbing. it's -- we need answers to what happened, not just so that we can understand it better but because, as a.b. pointed out, we have potentially dangerous events coming up very, very soon. there's already talk online of a new rally and riot on january 17th. of course, we have the inauguration on the 20th. who is in charge of organizing the security of that event? if chad wolf is stepping down, who's going to take his place? who is coordinating across the
agencies? this is all up in the air. it's unclear to anyone who's doing the reporting who's going to take point, and i think congress also has a role here. congress is not in session. they should probably be holding hearings about what's happened, certainly there are plans to hold hearings after congress reconvenes to get to the bottom of this but that might be too late. i mean, we are looking at a potential for a reprisal event type of january 17th. >> sam stein, is it clear to you who's running the country? and i say that just with the pieces of public reporting that i have, that multiple media outlets reported that it was mike pence that had to intervene and get authorization and that was borne out in the reporting over the weekend and multiple outlets, the "times" and the "post" and others that trump did not call in the national guard so pence kind of went around him or did it instead. there are reports that the white house staff that remain, i guess, all seven of them, hope hicks and whatever family
members are still there don't plan to carry out his orders. is this a moment where there's clarity as to who is functioning as the country's commander in chief in your eyes, sam? >> so, our reporting team here at politico has been trying to get a sense of that all day today. and the answers are hazy at best. obviously, trump is not engaged in usual acts of governance. he's fixated almost exclusively on what happened with his election, the riots also what happened with his golf courses. these are the things that are occupying him, and mike pence is organizationally and operationally taking over as much as he can. the issue, of course, is legality. there are certain things that pence cannot do as vice president. he can't sign executive orders. he can't issue executive action. you can coordinate across agencies, and he is certainly doing that, but in terms of the operational elements, no, it seems like we're at sort of a rudderless ship. we don't have anyone functionally in charge of the federal government right now.
>> and obviously, we don't live in a silo, a.b. i mean, russia knows that. north korea knows that. iran knows that. our allies know that. it's a terrifying conversation, and the truth will emerge. it always does. let me read you some reporting from the "washington post." republicans largely silent about consequences of deadly attack and trump's role in inciting it. quote, three days after a mob attack on the u.s. capitol carried out in president trump's name, republican leaders -- but that's just a sentence i have to read and not stop and say, holy bleep, i'm going to read it again. three days after a mob attack on the u.s. capitol carried out in president trump's name, republican leaders had yet to outline plans to hold anyone accountable or to alter a platform and priorities lashed to the outgoing republican president. trump and some congressional republicans meanwhile stepped up their efforts saturday to head off democratic efforts to impeach trump over what they called his incitement to violence. i mean, a.b., this is the wrong thing for the country. it's also a moronic political calculation.
this is now out there for everyone to see with their own eyes and ears. donald trump incited a murderous riot on the capitol. he tried to kill -- the mob tried to kill his own vice president. the politics are going to be terrible eventually but it's the wrong thing to do for the country. what is wrong with them? why doesn't every republican back impeachment? >> this is really amazing to talk to them. i mean, you can gather if you do that they're really in denial. there's a feeling that, yes, kevin mccarthy, as opposed to mitch mcconnell over on the senate side, who stayed silent and was complicit, obviously, by omission, until the georgia runoffs on january 5th and then went out there on the 6th and went, you know, posed the president, backed his constitutional oath, and explained to the voters that the vice president doesn't pick the next president. conversely, kevin mccarthy on the house side, the minority leader, basically led a majority
of his house republicans to decertify the elections and do so after the insurrection, to come back late that night and still vote against a free and fair election and lie to the voters. so, he is on a conference call right now with his conference and we'll learn about what's going on, but in one conversation today, i found it surprising when i said, what are the plans as a party to come up with some response to this? doesn't the congress have to act if not impeachment or censure or something to say that as a separate and coequal branch that was attacked by a violent cult, that there's something that you need to do to make a statement? and they basically feel that if they attend the inauguration and answer questions posed to them by media, that, yes, joe biden is a legitimate president, that they can move on. and when i said, isn't the choice to either vote for impeachment, tell the voters they've been lied to, and then face escalating security threats and death threats to your and your family, or to double down, keep lying, feed a violent cult,
and destroy democracy? is there anything in the middle? ? and there was just some pained silence. there was no response. >> rick wilson, you have expanded on in interviews with showtime's "the circus" and "60 minutes" the real mission of lincoln project and it was never just to troll trump or to ruin his, you know, pajama, cheeseburger-laden primetime viewing of fox news with an d that irked him. it was always the longer, less glamorous struggle against trumpism. what does that look like and when will you know if you've won? >> well, when we know if we've won is a long haul from here, i think, because trumpism is a cultural problem, not just a political problem. trumpism is a civics problem, not just a political problem. we have got a nation of people right now who have no grounding in what our country's system of government really is, and so they would rather, you know, don the red cap of hostility and go
out and scream and invade the capitol and be a mob than be american citizens where you don't always get your way, where elections don't always go the way you want them to go. you and i both know that. we've been in a million different places where you didn't win. and in america, you take that, you change your campaign, you do something different next time, you run a better race next time. you don't go and try to kill your opponents. you don't build a noose and a gallows and a noose in front of the building where your opponents are sitting at that moment and run in screaming, we're going to kill x or y. and so, the fight against trumpism is going to be a much longer haul. it does require -- and by the way, facebook and twitter taking donald trump down, that's great. that's fun. but they both still are major accelerants in trumpism. they are still echo chambers for conspiracy theories, for violent conspiracies, for an insurgency that's growing in this country like a damn terrorist movement
and those things have to be faced. we have to face them sooner than later, and they have to take some responsibility at a corporate level for that. we've also got to educate americans again about what civics is. we've got to talk to people about what a political community looks like other than being in one silo or the other silo and screaming at the other one. so, it's a longer haul, but the pernicious nature of trumpism is that it's nationalism and authoritarianism. those two things were on full display this week. you could have put that in any riot in any third world country over the years, any coup attempt over the years, because it came down to nationalism and populism. and they want a status authoritarian leader named donald trump to take over again for four more years or however many more years without the consequences of the election being weighed and that is something that's going to be really hard to break down. we're not naive about how difficult that mountain is to climb. >> we will continue to cover your efforts and all of your reporting here. sam stein, a.b. stoddard, rick wilson, thank you so much to all of you for starting us off this
hour. when we return, house democrats push ahead with impeachment as calls to hold those accountable for not only donald trump but the republicans who enabled his worst actions. congressman jim heinz of connecticut will join us. plus the legal question of whether donald trump can be prosecuted for his role in fomenting the siege of the capitol and why a self-pardon might actually make trump's legal problems worse. and a surge of coronavirus cases in states all across the country. hospitals are maxed out. the death toll is rising and the vaccine rollout is off to a painfully slow start. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. and in an emergency,
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sadly, the person who's running the executive branch is a deranged, unhinged, dangerous president of the united states. there is strong support in the congress for impeaching the president a second time. this president is guilty of inciting insurrection. he has to pay a price for that. >> democrats today moved one step closer to making sure that the president pays a price for inciting an insurrection, putting donald trump on the verge of becoming the first president to ever be impeached twice. earlier today, they introduced one article of impeachment charging trump with inciting violence against the government of the united states. joining us now, democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut, also a member of the intelligence committee. congressman, i want to ask you about something we've been talking about for two hours. do you have any information on why the capitol police haven't
briefed the public about the events of last wednesday? >> well, part of the problem, nicole, is, of course, that chief of police and both sergeants-at-arms who are the people who are charged with our security, all three of them have resigned, appropriately so, i'm afraid, because it was just such a massive security failure. but yeah, you would have thought, in normal times, of course, you know, somebody, the secret service, the fbi, somebody, the department of homeland security would have been in front of the congress and saying, look, we have an investigation yet to do, but we understand that many of you are glad to be alive today, so we want to share with you everything that we know. instead, we're reading about interviews that the recently resigned chief of police of the capitol police force is giving to the press and you ask a really good question. it is yet another indication of how dysfunctional the executive branch is in this moment, which is terrifying when you think about the fact that we're all going back to washington this week and we will all be back for the inauguration on the 20th. you'd like to have better faith
than we do right now. >> and i guess i ask that question with the same theory here that there's so much on the line in the next ten days in terms of how we're seeing all around the world and if the public hasn't heard from the police force that are supposed to protect you, if no one knows clearly who's functioning right now at 5:25 p.m. on monday as america's commander in chief. there's reporting that it was vice president pence who activated the national guard. there's reporting in multiple news outlets that white house aides do not plan to carry out any of donald trump's orders if they don't want to or don't think they're sound. i mean, do you have any clarity of, one, who's in charge of your safety and protection at the capitol, and two, who's in charge of the country's safety as our commander in chief? >> i heard you say this is a conversation you never anticipated having. i'm having that same sensation right now. look, the prospect you raise is a horrifying prospect, right? the only thing more horrifying
than the notion that donald trump remains in charge of the nuclear codes, that donald trump could order a military attack, that donald trump could tomorrow morning pardon all of the -- what's the number now -- hundred or so people that have been arrested for trying to kill members of congress, you know, the only thing scarier than that is the notion that maybe somebody else other than the president of the united states decides they're going to take on presidential powers. i mean, this is a really ugly moment, which of course is why, though it is not likely to happen, this is why the president should not be president. we have -- you know, i'm thinking back on susan collins who after the first impeachment said, well, i think this president has learned his lesson. and what we know is that whatever it is that you imagine that he might do, he will find ways to shock you by doing even crazier things, and again, this is a man with his finger on the nuclear trigger, and that's why our hope right now, our hope
right now is that michael pence, you know, whose life was put in grave danger, who was asked to break the law, might just say, hey, i'm not comfortable with nine days of the kind of leadership gap, the kind of vacuum that you're talking about. >> i want to ask you about impeachment. why do you think republicans who think of themselves as caring about the country's national security, some even have the audacity to think they do that better than democrats, and i'm not sure how any of them would make that case ever again after wednesday. why wouldn't they be for impeachment too? >> well, there's a very -- there's an answer to that question, but let's also be clear here. there were some republicans who really stood up, not many, but not all of them participated -- i mean, think of this, nicole. after we've almost all, you know, been killed by a mob, we went back in session and i got to listen to moe brooks of alabama spew five minutes of utter conspiracy nonsense about
undocumented aliens voting in this election. so, it is important to remember that it is a subset of these guys who are true believer, hard core, cult-like figures, but to answer your question, if you want to know what they're afraid of, look at what happened to lindsey graham when lindsey graham tried to walk through reagan national airport and he was beset by a mob. i mean, there's no other word for it, but a brutal, disgusting, obscene mob, and here's lindsey graham, who traded his soul to donald trump four years ago, and none of that mattered because when he found the tiniest dust spectacle of decency, that was enough to turn the mob on him, and that is what my republican colleagues are terrified of. >> cori bush has a plan to get rid of the members who violated their oath of office, and on the merits, she's absolutely right. not even clear what their defense would be. do you think that will gain
momentum? >> well, what i fear here, nicole, i do believe that while it won't necessarily be this week, that donald trump will come face-to-face with accountability. i do think he's likely to get impeached for the second time. he will carry that around for the rest of his life. wherever he goes, from here on in, there will be a small number of maga holdouts that might welcome, but otherwise, that, plus the law -- the charges he's likely to face in new york, maybe in georgia, i do believe that ultimately, accountability gets visited on donald trump, and we're seeing accountability get visited on the hundreds of people who broke into the capitol, which is appropriate and right and those folks should all go to jail. what concerns me, nicole, is that the moe brooks of the world, the people who should have known better, the josh hawleys, the ted cruz, the people who knew that they were lying, who knew that when they told their followers that democracy had been stolen from them in the form of a fraudulent election, they knew that wasn't true.
look, tgh to know that when 60 courts, including lots of obama judges, laugh you out of court, but they said, you know what, i want that fuel. i want that fuel in my political engine. my fear is, nicole, that they will escape accountability, because they've been put in positions of both political power and they're insulated. they'll say, well, you can't attack me for what i said. i've got the speech and debate clause or my first amendment rights, so those guys, who are, in my opinion, culpable only second to donald trump, ted cruz, josh hawley, any number of people in the house, i fear that they're going to escape accountability. >> well, they better not, and i think the politics of this are a moving target, and shame on anyone who thinks that they're going to be a winner next time voters go to the polls. my last question for you is about your staff. i was in the white house on 9/11, and as a staffer, i was terrified for many months afterwards. i wonder how your staff is doing. >> well, fortunately, we took the decision to keep them out of the capitol that day, and so
thank god, in the midst of worrying about so many things, i wasn't worried about, you know, my poor staff, as so many were, you know, hiding under desks or in closets as the mob broke down doors. but nonetheless, i mean, they went through hell. i was just on a caucus call with fellow members and as time goes by, they're getting more and more angry as we learn that there were people that were armed. as we learn what was involved here. so, we're going to have -- look, nicole, you know these people. these are young people who could be making so much more money than they make in the capitol and they do it because they love our government. they feel reverence and they sense the sacred quality of the capitol and so this has been a huge emotional dagger to their hearts and it's going to take them a while to recover. >> it sure is. i appreciate you sharing that and spending some time with us today. thank you so much for your time. when we return, why donald trump should be worried, not just about impeachment but about being criminally prosecuted.
and nutrients to ♪ ocean spray works with nature every day to keep you healthy the single article of impeachment introduced in the house today accuses donald trump of inciting an insurrection. we said it so often. last time trump was impeached, it's a political process, not a legal one, so putting that aside, strictly from a law enforcement perspective, did trump and his allies commit an actual crime when they did this last week? >> we need to march on the
capitol today. >> we are going to take our country back. >> we're coming for you, and we're going to have a good time doing it. >> so, let's have trial by combat. >> you'll never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength. we're going to walk down, and i'll be there with you, but we're going to walk down to the capitol. >> of course he wasn't with them. joining our conversation is former federal prosecutor paul butler, a georgetown school of law professor and an msnbc legal analyst and nick is back, "new york times" political and investigative reporter and msnbc political analyst. paul butler, to you first. just take the layer of political tragedy off of this for a second. if people made those comments and then the people that were standing a few feet in front of them went and did what those people -- the insurrectionists did on wednesday, would their incitement be investigated? >> it would be investigated and if proven, they would be locked
up. the united states criminal code says that whoever incites rebellion against the united states or importantly aids and comforts other rebels is guilty of a ten-year felony and is barred from holding any federal office. >> nick, i've wrestled with whether to play that sound from the rally. today's the first day i've done it since last week because it is so haunting. to hear command and the servitude of his supporters. what is your theory on what law enforcement can do about the programming of trump's mob by trump, by rudy giuliani, by all of trump's children, and their criminal conduct? >> you know, i'm glad you played it, nicole. i have to say, in my career as a reporter now, i think that that day and those statements were the most destructive thing i have seen a national politician
engage in, and i have seen a lot of campaigns. it was horrifying to watch. and it was even more horrifying to watch the aftermath when our sacred space, the u.s. capitol, was invaded by a mob with weapons and flash bangs, reportedly, and bear spray and built a gallows behind the capitol or some distance from it. we watched all of that, and a big difference here, nicole, with the last impeachment was that the president said it all in front of us. this is not a complicated theory of russian interference with a special investigation and a report. this is words that he said to a crowd a short distance from the capitol on pennsylvania avenue and we watched it happen. i can't opine on the legality of it. that's paul butler's job. but i can say that the pressure, i think, on everyone to think about this carefully has increased, especially on the gop side. i think what the president has
done with this action and some previous actions since the election is show that he will not go away quietly. he will not leave in defeat. he will keep doing what he can, whatever's within his grasp and power to disrupt and deny and delay and deflect and i think it ups the stakes for everybody in washington of both parties because there is not really any peacefully kind of waiting this out. every second is a danger point when the president is in this state of mind and has shown what he's willing to do. and i think that has to weigh on law enforcement, on members of congress, on people in the senate and the house and on this question of impeachment or possibly censure. >> i mean, to nick's point, paul butler, congressman jim himes just said on our air that he didn't want his staff in the capitol on wednesday. congresswoman linda sanchez told me on the air that she told her husband tuesday night where he could find her will if she died at work on wednesday.
barbara lee told me she wore sneakers on wednesday because she thought she might need to move quickly. everybody knew what was going to happen wednesday. what is the legal defense for the people who let it happen? i mean, is that why we haven't heard from the capitol police? what do you think is going on? >> nicole, the mayor of the district of columbia, before wednesday, said that every single d.c. police officer had to be on the job that day. she canceled all vacation days and time off because i should say everybody knew that there was the potential for this kind of tragedy, but apparently, everybody didn't know, and so we have to think about negligence and/or complicity in terms of why the people responsible for protecting our capitol were so woefully underprepared. and while i think criminal charges are a stretch in terms
of the police and other people who were responsible for protecting the capitol, again, when we look at the rioters and the people who encouraged the rioters, starting with president trump himself, i think that criminal prosecution has to be on the table. >> nick, there are some extraordinary heroics that the capitol police engaged in. they likely saved lives. they're likely the reason something worse didn't happen. there are also two capitol police officers who are dead today who were alive wednesday morning. one of them died from injuries he suffered in fighting with the trump mob. what is your understanding of why we haven't heard from the law enforcement agency responsible for protecting the capitol on wednesday during the insurrection? >> well, nicole, i think the agency has decapitated itself in the last few days. its leadership has resigned. they talked to reporters, which i'm in favor of, but they have yet to answer questions
seemingly from congress itself. i suspect we'll learn more about all this in the coming days, but i feel for those capitol police officers because a police force by nature has to operate under an order of command, and if they aren't properly prepared, if the leadership is not taking steps to prepare them to have enough force out, to have them prepared with the right equipment, they can't really stand against a mob, even with their training and their weapons. it was a terrible day for that force, and i can only say that if two cops had died in the black lives matter protests last spring, we would be hearing all about it in certain quarters. they would probably -- the families would be in the white house with the president and the first lady right now. >> well, let me just complete the thought, and i want to give you a chance to respond to it, paul, as well. the reason to brief the press is to nip in the bud anything that isn't true and what has seeped into the collectively consciousness, paul butler, are real questions about whether
there was any participation from inside that force. that seems like a devastating mistruth, if it is one, or a catastrophic reality if it is. but in the vacuum, nobody knows the answer to that. >> the movement for black lives is about demanding transparency and accountability from police departments, and from the capital police, at this point, we don't have transparency or accountability. now, i'm not one to think that there was some conspiracy at the highest level of the police and/or others in the administration to take over the capitol. that doesn't mean that there weren't rogue actors, including, again, the president himself, who encouraged that kind of conduct, but until we have a full hearing, we don't even know how three of those people died. we know how the two police officers died. we don't have the details about how the three others died. again, we're lacking the fundamental elements of good
government. we don't have transparency. we don't have accountability. from one of the most important and tragic events of our history. >> absolutely. perfectly said. paul butler, nick, thank you so much for spending time with us today. when we return, tragically, on another front, cases of coronavirus are soaring and we're only at the beginning of the post-christmas holiday surge. that story when "deadline white house" continues. that story when "deadline white house" continues ♪ but come ye back when su-- mom, dad. why's jamie here? it's sunday. sunday sing along. and he helped us get a home and auto bundle. he's been our insurance guy for five years now. he makes us feel like we're worth protecting. [ gasps ] why didn't you tell us about these savings, flo? i've literally told you a thousand times. ♪ oh, danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling ♪ i'm just gonna... ♪ from glen to glen
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more than 375 souls have been lost in this country, all of them to be remembered by president-elect joe biden on the night before his inauguration. biden's tribute will include the first ever lighting ceremony around the lincoln memorial reflecting pool, and he has encouraged communities across the country to honor those they've lost in a national moment of unity and remembrance. joining our conversation, dr. michael anderson, critical care physician, healthcare executive, and disaster response consultant. we've been having these conversations for ten months now, and i have to say, just anecdotally, i know more people from all facets of my life who have covid right now than i ever have. why is it spreading so rampantly? why does it feel like we can't get it under control anywhere? >> yeah, it really does feel like it's out of control, nicole, and i think there's a couple things. number one, it's still a very contagious virus, and if you look at the thanksgiving travel and you look at the travel we saw at christmas, we could have -- we did predict that this was coming, that people gathering, despite what they
think are taking good precautions, now we're starting to see the ramifications, that it's everywhere, and you're right, personally, professionally, i know more and more people. so that map is unfortunately always changing what's a hot spot. but it just shows this is a very, very contagious virus, and that 370,000 deaths shows it is a very deadly virus, and i think president-elect biden's decision to take a moment to reflect, that's really the most compassionate, empathetic leadership that i have heard of for a very, very long time. and i will also note that over 3,000 of those people that have died in this country are healthcare workers. the physicians and the nurses and the doctors and the respiratory therapists that are literally putting their lives on the line, and they're starting to raise the white flag because it's out of control. >> we've been covering the pursuit of a vaccine as long as we've been talking about the contagious nature of covid. we have one and we're doing a terrible job getting it into
people's arms. i read some reporting in new york that because of the regulations around who gets it, there were actually doses thrown away. i would have stuck my arm between the person throwing them away and the garbage can if i could have. why were we so unprepared for the thing we were waiting for from day one? >> yeah, hope is here. and the fact that two companies in very safe fashion but very rapidly advanced these two vaccines i think is a real testament. now the operational hurdles have to be overcome, and i think now that president-elect biden will be on scene and bringing new people with new energy there's really good people trying to figure this out but i think the more collective minds we can bring, how do we get this into nursing homes, how do we utilize every resource out there? there is a problem that back to the covid pandemic raging, the number of physicians and nurses that can devote time to this is so small because we're just trying to make sure that the hospitals are staffed and people are getting cared for.
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thank you for letting us into your homes during what are still truly extraordinary times. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. >> hi, nicolle. thank you very much. we begin with breaking news on congress's move to impeach donald trump. top house democrats now warning this, they say, is no time to back down. this is no time to seek healing or to pretend anything would be normal anytime soon. congress formally introducing one article of impeachment charging donald trump with inciting insurrection for fueling his fans' crime s