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that does it for me. i'm alicia menendez. i'll see you back here next weekend, 6:00 p.m. eastern, for more "american voices" but for now i hand it over to joshua johnson. hello, joshua. >> hey, alicialicia, good to se, thank you very much. hello to all of you. good to be you this sunday. tonight we'll answer more of your questions about what happened at the capitol. new reporting and new video cast the attack on wednesday in a new light. and we'll hear from elected officials and experts. what do we do as a country after an insurrection? from nbc news world headquarters in new york, i'm joshua johnson. welcome to "the week." it's one of the top questions after the violence and insurrection at the capitol.
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did the police know about it? the answer seems to be yes. nbc news has exclusive reporting that both the fbi and the nypd warned capitol police about the possibility days before the attack. the fbi visited more than a dozen extremists who were already under investigation. agents urged them not to go to d.c. during the electoral college count. at this point, many politicians agree that those who incited the violence and nothose who took pt should face consequences. depending on who you ask, that group may or may not include president trump. he told supporters on wednesday to walk down to the capitol. those were his words. the president has been silent since his twitter awe count was shut down on friday night. silent but not silenced. the white house does have a press room, after all. tonight, speaker pelosi announced the house will attempt to pass a resolution calling on vice president pence to invoke the 25th amendment and remove
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donald trump from office. they will then move forward with impeach chlt if mr. trump does not fall in line. pelosi has officially said house democrats are moving forward with impeachment. if donald trump is impeached again, it will be the first time in american history that we have impeached a president twice. but where do republican senators stand? here's gop senator pat toomey of pennsylvania. >> i think the best way for our country, chuck, is for the president to resign and go away as soon as possible. i acknowledge that may not be likely, but i think that would be best. >> so far, we know of at least 87 people who've been arrested for storming the capitol. so, what comes next for the president and for those people who stormed the building? let's begin with nbc political reporter vaughn hillyard. and nbc news national security analyst frank figliuzzi, the former assistant director for
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counterintelligence at the fbi and the author of "the fbi way: inside the bureau's code of excellence." that book is out this week. vaughn, let me start with you. what's the latest on all this? >> right now what we're looking at here, joshua, is the fact that more than a dozen individuals have been charged with federal crimes for entering the capitol on wednesday. just four days ago. authorities say they're continuing this investigation. they intend to charge every individual who is part of the insurrection that we saw on wednesday. of course, this san issue yowhe you have hundreds of individuals and the video that you're looking at now makesthy transparently difficult because while i stood there on the west lawn of the capitol on wednesday looking up, so much was unknown. what that video that you're looking at right now is making it clear wihat is only becoming evident in these last days just what was put in front of these capitol police officers who were clearly outmanned. i stood out there earlier today
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during the procession for the one fallen capitol police officer, buy jrian sicknick who passed away on sunday, beatened, murdered, at the hands of these individuals, insurrectionists here. this is what federal tauthoritis are dealing with. of course, this is a tough time. capitol police naming an acting chief today. both sergeant in arms from the u.s. white house and u.s. senate have resigned as well as the capitol police chief. we're ten days away from inauguration. there are more than 6,200 national guardsmen now on duty from several states here in washington, d.c. there's a seven-foot fence that now lines the capitol building and the surrounding senate and house office buildings here ahead of inauguration. but this is tough here. and now with the latest reporting from nbc news investigative team that the capitol police did, facin fact, from a heads up from the nypd and the fbi about potential violence. these are tough times, just ten days away from inauguration day
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and serious questions that must be addressed by law enforcement authorities. >> yeah, frank, what about addressing those questions? particularly with the heads up from the fbi and nypd that went to capitol police. what do you make of that? >> well, i've read through the nbc report. there's a lot in there, but i see two significant takeaways. first, i see this sharing element that they shared some degree of intelligence and concern with the capitol police and reportedly so did the nypd intelligence unit. what that looked like, we don't know. who it went to in capitol police, we don't know. it looks like it was shared fairly widely across police departments at least in the capitol region, at least at metro police and at capitol police. there's a second takeaway, of course, and that is that we're learning from this report that the fbi disrupted over a dozen already predicated active investigative subjects by approaching them in the days just before the capitol incident
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and told them they did what agents call a knock and talk, joshu joshua. here's what a knock and talk looks like. we're very close to arresting you. we're on to you. we're watching you. and should you get in a bus, car, or plane, and head to the district of columbia, that may serve as the final element of predication and probable cause to put you in handcuffs. is there anything about this that you don't understand? and i'm told from sources that those over a dozen subjects for the baddest of the bad. they were the guys that were going to lead this in a more organized fashion and one source told me this could have been a lot worse had those leaders actually showed up. >> vaughn, where does all of this go from here? particularly, with what may be a breakdown in intelligence, i mean, law enforcement in washington, d.c., does not lack experience in coordinating any post-9/11 world. where does this go from here? not just from law enforcement but also politically?
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as we said, we haven't heard from president trump basically since this happened. >> you haven't heard from president trump and nbc news, our colleague, hallie jackson, reporting that vice president pence hasn't heard from president trump since wednesday. since all this went down. nancy pelosi just put out a memo to her house colleagues today saying that they have every intention of bringing impeachment to the floor of the u.s. house if, in fact, vice president pence does not invoke the 25th amendment. with the vice president not expected to do so, there's the potential that the u.s. house could vote by midweek to impeach the president of the united states. the issue here at hand is that the u.s. senate is not slated to reconvene for official business until january 19th. of course, that's the day before president -- or president-elect biden is slated to take office here. but, you know, i think it's important here as we continue to look at this and watch these videos come in from social media here of these events that took place on wednesday, is just how traumatic this event was on
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wednesday. >> yeah. >> and the amount of danger that was potentially avoided. you heard chants of "hang mike pence." you heard, "where is nancy?" there was direct targeting of the u.s.' top leaders here. just ten days before inauguration day. there were staff who were barricaded inside their offices here with individuals pounding on their doors and a clear intent of violence at hand. so while the images we saw are harrowing, at the same time, there are serious questions and accountability issues here and it's clear as been presented by nancy pelosi they intend to impeach the president of the united states while all knowing that he only has ten days left in office. >> we'll talk about the political aspect of this in a minute. frank, before i have to let you two go, we've gotten a ton of questions from our viewers. here is a video question that came in from eileen that i'd like you to answer, frank. >> hi.
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my name is eileen longland. i live in arden, north carolina. why has no one arrested donald trump and all of his accomplices? what are the steps our government and the media going to take so that this can never happen again? >> eileen, that's a good qu-- frank, before we move on, focus on the first part of her question. why hasn't anyone arrested donald trump and all of his accomplices? the thought process on who should be arrested and who should be considered an accompli accomplice, briefly before we go. >> we lived through this question if eileen will recall during the special inquiry. there's a memo sitting in a file at doj that says you really shouldn't indict or arrest a sitting president. so that does not mean, eileen, that that won't happen at some later time. in fact, the u.s. attorney in the district of columbia has said that he might be investigating the president of the united states. we've got a new a.g. coming in and a new administration, and
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his associates, his family members, people like rudy giuliani who use the word, "combat," those who encouraged it, will be looked at and we'll see what happens. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard and frank figliuzzi, gentlemen, we appreciate you starting us off. thanks very much. let's continue now with democratic senator ben cardin of maryland. senator cardin, good evening. >> joshua, it's good to be with you. thank you. >> before we get to viewer questions, let's get your react to some of our latest reporting about the conversations that went on with law enforcement before wednesday's attack. what do you make of that? >> well, clearly, they were not prepar prepared, and they had information, they didn't act on that information. there's clearly going to be an investigation to make sure that we get to the bottom of what went wrong in order to protect ourselves moving forward. i think our first priority right now is to make sure that we have secured the capitol not just for the members of congress but we have an inauguration taking place onthe january the 20th so
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want to make sure we have the right intelligence and the right protection moving forward. but we also want accountability and accountability means those that were responsible for breaking into the capitol, those who participated in this insurrection, need to be held accountable and accountability for the president of the united states for the role that he laid played in inciting this insurrection. >> one factor in holding the president and others responsible is just the timeline of congress. senator joe manchin, democrat of west virginia, said this about the nature of that timeline. particularly as it relates to the beginning of the biden administration. watch. >> well, first of all, we're a country, the rule of law is who we are, that's our bedrock. that means no person's above the law. if people have died, and we know they have, and all the damage that was done, an insurrection on our own capitol, someone has to be held accountable for that so it never happens again or doesn't come within our borders, within our country. that has to stop. it can never be allowed.
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so i would think that would be a better position to take and that would be a better route to take versus taking a political route and everyone believes that an impeachment, it's a political route, even though we know there's a purpose and a reason for us to do it because there has been a violation. but that basically stops us from putting a government together and joe biden, first thing he needs to do, put his people in, get him confirmed. that should be the first thing we're doing the first week. >> senator cardin, what do you make of that? >> well, i know what senator manchin is saying, we need to do both. we clearly need to make sure that president biden on january 20th, that we are in process of giving him the cabinet, confirmed positions as quickly as possible and that we are ready to respond to the challenges of covid-19, the other challenges of our country. but the president needs to be te held accountable. the best thing that could happen would be for vice president pence along with the republican leadership in congress, meet with the president and really
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impress upon him the need for him to resign and at least try to do it that way because that's the fastest way. we could get it done this week. the second best way would be to use 25th amendment. there's going to be a lot of interest in that this week. to move through impeachment, senator manchin is correct, there's no way we could complete the impeachment process before january the 20th. so this will be after donald trump is no longer president of the united states. >> let's go through some of our viewers' questions. particularly, with the talk of the 25th amendment. a few people online pointed this out to me, here's part of the constitution i did not know. but harold asks about this. harold asks, "can the leaders of both chambers, speaker of the house nancy pelosi and the future senate majority leader chuck schumer, invoke the 14th amendment against each member of both chambers for their role in the incitement of insurrection like senators cruz and hawley?" for those of you who aren't familiar with the 14th amendment, section 3 of the 14th
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amendment basically says that if you are an officeholder and you have helped engage in insurrection or rebellion or given aid or comfort to the enemies of the united states, you are automatically disqualified from running for office again. there's no process. it ain't got to go for a vote. there doesn't have to be a hearing. you have disqualified yourself from ever running for office again. senator, what do you make of that? >> well, that's what the 14th amendment says. so, it is a disqualifying aspect, if you've taken the oath of office and you have subverted the constitution, you lose your right to hold that office. the challenge, of course, show do y is how do you implement that and will it apply to members of congress? clearly, we have an issue with the president of the united states. that issue quill will be resolv. there are other consequences that need to be dealt with. i already covered that. as far as the sitting members of congress, each are going to have
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to be able to justify their actions as to whether they complied with the constitution of the united states. >> last quick question, senator, very briefly, diana asks, "what are the penalties going to be for the republicans in the house and senate for inciting with their lies? it is a time for healing but what you don't acknowledge, you cannot change." senator, that goes to some of the calls from some members of congress that we just need to move on and maybe deal with this a little bit later. >> well, there's no question that there needs to be accountability. i've said frequently we're all beholden to our voters. and i would hope that the constituents would hold their members fully accountable for their actions during this past week. but there should be other consequences and that's being looked at. >> democratic senator ben cardin of maryland. senator, i'm glad you're safe after what happened on wednesday. and we appreciate you making time for us. thank you very much. >> thank you, josh. >> ae wuls lowe always love to y you. tell us how wednesday's events
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impablcted you. you can email us, or tweet us. we're @theweekmsnbc. a special report on our attack on the capitol. we'll dive into how we got to this moment and how we move forward includine inine inine i have not seen before. that begins at the top of the hour, 9:00 p.m. eastern. up next, president trump could face another impeachment trial. how would that affect the early days of the biden administration's agenda? also, wnba superstar sue bird will join us. she and her teammates played a role in georgia's senate runoff, particularly for one senator-elect, the reverend raphael warnock. and the capitol physician is warning lawmakers and staffers to get covid tests. they may have been exposed to the virus while hiding from that mob. we'll discuss that with dr. vin gupta and he will answer some of your questions about the pandemic and the vaccine. so you only pay for what you need.
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today president-elect joe biden offered his condolences to the family of u.s. capitol police officer brian sicknick. the officer died on thursday after that mob attacked him. to our knowledge, president trump has yet to offer sympathies. he did order flags lowered to half-staff today. vice president pence has reached out to the officer's family. a growing bipartisan chorus in congress is demanding the president's resignation. tonight, speaker nancy pelosi announced that the house will move forward with impeachment if vice president will not invoke the 25th amendment. the house could vote by midweek. but the timing of a senate trial remains unclear. congressman jim clyburn of south carolina has suggested that it might have to wait until joe biden's first 100 days as president are done. also in the mix, democrats won two major senate runoffs last tuesday. they will take control of the chamber just barely for the first time in six years. joining us now is jonathan
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chatea columnist for isis isis magazine. good evening. >> thank you. >> let me start with a question for the potential of a senate impeachment trial. here is a video question that gina sent to us. watch. >> hi, joshua. it's gina here. i have a question. if mitch mcconnell is unwilling to hold a senate impeachment trial while president trump is still in office, can that trial be held after he leaves office? and can he be convicted after he leaves office? >> good question, gina. jonathan, what would you say to her? >> yeah, the answer is it can happen, but the democrats really need to ask themselves if they want it to happen. because the democrats are going to hold control of government. going to have a chance for two years to move a lot of legislation through and to confirm a lot of judges to the courts. their enemy during this period is going to be time. the republicans are going to want to slow everything down. the democrats are going to want to speed everything up. so when impeachment trial is going to consume some of the time in the senate, the
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democrats would otherwise be using to move bills and confirm judges so that's a difficult tradeoff. i'm not saying they shouldn't do it but it might give some democrats pause. >> yeah, you've written that the difference between a one-vote democratic majority and a one-vote republican majority in the situation is not a trivial matter. explain that. >> right. if the democrats control the agenda, they decide everything that happens. so it doesn't matter if you have a majority in the senate if republicans have the gavel. so if republicans still had 51 senate seats under biden, it wouldn't matter if joe biden had a really popular bill that 55 or 60 or 70 senators wanted to support it. mitch mcconnell doesn't want to bring it to the floor, it's not going to get voted on and it's going to get buried. now that the democrats have the majority, they can control the agenda. they can be sure that the bills they want to vote on get to the floor and that means they can pass bills with 50 votes in the
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senate and it means that if there's a bill that's popular and republicans don't want to have to vote against, they can bring it to the floor and make republicans vote on those bills. of course, they can also confirm judges. so the difference between having just 48 or 49 senators and having 50 senators is absolutely enormous and that's why i think the georgia senate elections is going to have a much more important long-term impact on what happens to this country over the next few years than anything that's happened recently. >> other than this impeachment process and potential trial, one of the other big impacts you pointed out in your writing has to do with the appointment of judges in terms of the future complexion of congress. what about that stands out to you the most? >> so republicans had very little incentive to confirm any biden judges if they controlled the senate. what they've been saying they would do is they would only
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agree to a one-to-one trade, that if biden wanted to appoint a judge to an open seat, they would have to let republicans pick another judge so that biden couldn't net add more liberal judges to the courts. of course, that would be an absolutely devastating situation. given how many judges they've managed to confirm over the last four years in the blockade they instituted over the last couple years of the obama administration. so now that they have the majority, they can confirm judicial openings. the problem will be the supreme court, there's certain to be many, throughout the federal courts. so just the courts, alone, is an enormous impact as a result of this georgia senate election. >> i wonder how much you consider the shock and the insanity of what happened this week to be a factor in the pace at which things move through congress. either the house or the senate. i mean, it's easy for us to forget i think that a lot of these members of congress actually care about one another.
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they're friends. some of them have been friends for a very long time. have friendships that reach across the aisle. sidebar, something important to keep in mind when you're watching the sunday shows and political talk and whatever, they may be having honest to god debates over their truly held beliefs but a lot of these people don't actually hate one another outside of congress. some of them are really very tight. how much do you think that might affect the pace at which things move in the next 100 days? just the fact that lawmakers saw their friends, perhaps some of their best friends, possibly get shot. >> well, i think you're absolutely right that the feelings between these members of congress even of opposite parties are sometimes very genuine. i think the sentiment they probably collectively experienced while they were all under the same threat where mike pence was being chased by hangmen and democrats were hiding under tables, i think that's a very real feeling, but whether that's going to affect the political decisions they
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make, i'm very skeptical they will. republicans throughout the trump era, whatever personal feelings, whatever misgivings they had about donald trump, they consistently put their political interests ahead of any other feelings they had about the democrats, about trump, about the country, about the national interests. the bottom line was they did what was best for their party's political program and their self-interest and that's going to lean toward opposing what biden wants to get done. so, and i have a hard time seeing that part changing. >> jonathan chait of "new york" magazine, jonathan, thanks very much. >> thank you. coming up, it all started with t-shirts that read "vote warnock. wnba's sue bird and her teammates tell us how they helped turn georgia blue when we come back. w they helped turn georgia blue when we come back.
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senator-elect raphael warnock is also pastor warnock.
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this morning he preached his first sermon since winning the georgia senate runoff. he's the pastor of ebenezer baptist church in atlanta, the same church once led by dr. martin luther king jr. reverend warnock reflected on his win and the events at the capitol that followed. >> here in the wee hours tuesday night into wednesday morning, georgia had elected its first black senator and its first jewish senator and then as we were basking in the glory of all that that represented, seemed like we could only have a few hours to celebrate. just as we were prying to put on our celebration, the ugly side of our story. our great and grand american story began to emerge as we saw the crude and the angry and the
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disrespectful and the violent break their way into the people's house. some carrying confederate flags. signs and symbols of an old-world order passing away. >> reverend warnock's campaign got a boost from some people close to his opponent, kelly loeffler. namely, the wnba. loeffler co-owns atlanta's team, the dream. back in july she criticized the wnba's support of the black lives matter movement. that prompted some players including on her team to rally around her opponent. they wore t-shirts that read, "vote warnock." sue bird is a point guard for the seattle storm. she came up with the idea to wear those shirts and she joins us now. sue, welcome. >> hi. thanks for having me. >> what was the final straw for you, the moment that you decided to actively support pastor warnock?
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>> a combination of reading the letter that senator loeffler had sent to our commissioner, kind of sifting through the emotion of what that letter caused for myself and everybody in our league and then within a couple hours realizing it was just a political strategy for us to get mad at her then she could stand up to us in this way. so it kind of was this 24-hour period, or not even, like, night -- or morning to night -- where all of a sudden it just kind of hit, like wait a minute, we can't be pawns in this so we have to be smarter than that. >> what went through your mind when the race was called for reverend warnock? >> oh, man. it was crazy. i mean, all the emotions. super excited. more than anything, really happy for america. i know that sounds kind of big and, like, almost hard to believe, but i was. i knew what it meant and then, of course, when, you know,
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senator ossoff got elected shortly thereafter, i knew what it meant. for the senate to be blue is super meaningful. really happy for senator warnock and his campaign more than anything. >> you told the "washington post" that this wasn't just about opposing kelly loeffler, it was about supporting raphael warnock. elaborate on that. >> so, you know, when she wrote that letter, it was hurtful and i think when people are hurt, you have this tendency to maybe fire back and i think we did at first. like i said, there was some emotion that kicked in and we tweeted and, you know, we called for her to be taken out of the league and things like that. but then it just became, i don't know, it just became -- we went to that wubble, our wubble, our bubble, to play basketball but also stand for something bigger, to say her name, to talk about black lives mattering. and it just felt like a distraction. so by getting behind reverend warnock, meeting him, getting to know him, seeing how our values
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ali aligned, in that moment it was a redirect and we got to go right back to what we were there for, which is what we're good at. we're good at playing basketball and we're good at talking about the things that matter to us. i don't know if we want to get in some political spat, which as it turns out is probably what she wanted. >> now that you've amassed this political capital and had a big win as a result of it, what do you plan to do with it? >> just enjoy it. i think, you know, in this particular instance, yes, some of this was my idea, but there's so much that we did this summer. it was angel mccotchery's idea to put breonna taylor on our backs. it was so many different players' ideas to have "say her name" on our shooting shirts and "black lives matter" on the court. it's our league that's executing it. i think what you see is a group of women that know when they come together and they use their voice collectively and they're organized and they're strategic, we can make moves. we can make waves. so it doesn't always have to be politically, but i think this
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gave us a little bit of confidence to continue to use our voice in that way. >> i feel like sports have come some ways whether it's a long way or short way, i'll leave that to you to decide, but it's come a ways since laura ingraham told lebron james to shut up and dribble, right? there's been some water under the bridge since then particularly with the homicide of george floyd. with all the protests of 2020. what is your sense of how the fans react to this kind of political advocacy, especially with everything going on right now. seattle police is investigating whether some of its officers were involved in what happened on wednesday at the capitol. what is your sense of the mood among fans as to whether they even want athletes to be politically vocal or whether some of them would rather you just shut up and dribble but they know it's not safe to say that out loud anymore? >> yeah, that's an interesting question. i can really only speak to my experience with the fans. you know, i think the wnba is
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unique in this way. we are a league that has really had to fight for its place, you know, in the sports landscape. and so we're used to that fight. and i think with that, we've attracted people who see that in us and want to be a part of it. so for the most part i think our fan base has been onboard with everything that we've stood for in the last, i mean, probably ten-plus years. and this one act of activism, this isn't our first. you know, we've been doing this. i'm sure you've talked about maya moore on the show. we have literally been doing this. our fan base knows who we are. they know, they want us to speak. they want us to dribble and speak. >> can do both at the same time. sue bird, point guard for the seattle storm. appreciate you making time. thank you. >> thank you. cases are rising and hospital beds are dwindling. california's vaccinations are not keeping up with the covid surge. we'll take you there just ahead. stay close.
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yesterday marked the second day in a row that the u.s. reported a record number of coronavirus cases. nearly 280,000 new cases. america's death toll from covid-19 is approaching 375,000 people. california remains one of the hardest-hit states. yesterday it reported nearly 700 deaths. yet another daily record. hospital capacity remains critically low. nbc's scott cone joins us now from san jose with more. scott, talk about this in terms of a possible post-holiday surge. i understand l.a. county is seeing a covid-19 death every 8 minutes. >> reporter: yeah, that is exactly what's going on, joshua, and they're trying to sort out exactly what happens with this post-holiday surge. we saw the numbers come up as we well know by now after thanksgiving and it seemed to
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start to peak right around christmas, leveled off and now is going up again. so we're now within a day or two, as you saw on the numbers on the screen before, of hitting 30,000 dead in california, alone. consider this. in a state of 40 million people, there are only about 1,100 intensive care beds. of course, that only begins to tell the story because hospitals across the state have been dealing with this tight capacity for more than a month now. there are a number of hospitals with no capacity at all. and to get a sense of what it is like inside, listen christian dianci, he's an icu nurse at providence holy cross hospital outside of los angeles. there, the icu is operating at twice its normal capacity. >> that is a code blue. that means that a patient is in cardiopulmonary arrest. walking by.
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>> attention, attention. code blue. room 1330 with precautions. >> unfortunately, that person did not make it. and it's hard, you know. the absolute worst is when they verbalize it. when they say -- when they say, hey, i'm not going to make it, am i? you know, what do you say to that? >> reporter: and these stories are told again and again and again. hospital workers talking about the almost awful monotony of this all and now as the deaths pile up and the bodies pile up, they're bringing in refrigerator trucks across the state to deal with the overflow. joshua? >> very briefly, scott, last few seconds, what the status of vaccinations in california? >> reporter: it's going slowly. governor gavin newsom this past week talked about trying to ramp things up and get more vaccines out there.
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but as you well know, it's a big state with a big population. they're still trying to get the health care workers vaccinated before they can then start to go to at-risk populations including people at nursing homes. >> no city bigger in the bay area than the city of san jose where we find nbc's scott cohn. thank you, scott. up next, wednesday's riot at the capitol traumatized lawmakers and staffers, but could it have also been a giant superspreader event? we'll answer that and more in our latest installment of "dear doctor," next. . ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections,
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it could be the biggest medical question about wednesday's riot. was it a giant superspreader event? this morning, the capitol physician alert eed members of congress and their staffs that they may have been exposed to covid-19 while hiding in a large hearing roo ining room. some lawmakers stayed in that room for hours. not everyone was wearing masks consistently. and social distancing varied.
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you have sent us a lot of questions about the riot and about your concerns over covid and the vaccines. time to get you some more answers in our series, "dear doctor." joining us now is dr. vin gupta, a pulmonologist and nbc news medical contributor. dr. gupta, good evening. good to see you. and contributo. good evening. >> good evening. happy new year. >> happy new year to you, too. let me begin before we get to some questions on more of what we saw on wednesday. particularly the potential to be a super spreader event. it seems almost certain to be that. >> symbolically, from just purely the medical public health lens, clearly it sends a wrong message. you saw elected officials not masking in close quarters with their colleagues when they were sheltering in place. obviously you saw a lot of americans demonstrating the worst behavior, rioting, shouting, unmasked in close
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quarters. this will invariably be a super spreader event. and we need to be prepared. for the congressmen and women that might have been exposed, i'm sure their staff is on it. to get tested, make sure they are safe and probably serial testing in this coming week ahead. i would say getting tested now if they haven't already and a few days later. we know that covid-19's incubation period, it can happen a few days. anywhere from three to seven days. so they should get serially tested. >> let's have some audience questions about covid and the vaccine starting with a video question. here's what allen wants to know. >> this is allen larson from georgia. does vaccination against covid-19 or recovery from the disease stop the transmission? should those people continue to wear masks? thank you. >> thank you.
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doctor? >> absolutely wear masks and absolutely continue to socially distance. other infection control measures for the foreseeable future until we learn more about the vaccine and whether it can stop transmission in its tracks. right now we do know know that for sure. even if you've gotten vaccinated, it is important to continue to be vigilant. >> for that matter, just because you've been vaccinated may mean you can't get sick. it doesn't mean it can't get into your body. i think theoretically you can still carry to it someone else even if it doesn't make you sick, right? >> that's the big open question. right now we don't know whether or not you can still get infected and unwittingly spread the virus to others, even if you're frequented the worst impacts of covid-19. that's the outstanding question here. can you actually get infected and symptom atally spread the virus. it's important to be vigilant
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before we know for sure. >> i want to be clear that the advice you're getting from dr. gupta is based on the best knowledge we have at the moment. that can change as we learn and nothing can substitute the advice from your doctor for your specific situation. so your mileage may vary. with that said, let's get to a question from mike in arizona. mike asks, i'm terrified living in arizona, the anti-mask capital of the world. year six of multiple mile opena. my wife died tragically three years ago. i'm age 61, a lifelong public servant. i think my age puts me in the fourth vaccine group. not thrilled as my immune system severely compromised. i'm close the despondent. no friends close by, my dogs are all i have. any advice on my multiple myeloma related to covid would be greatly appreciated. my cancer is stable but my kidneys are not doing well.
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so one is an environment where people are not wearing masks consistently. two is a lack of family members to provide support to mike depending on how his condition may worsen. and then some medical conditions. what would you say to him? >> a lot going on. so first and foremost, the feeling of loneliness and isolation, i think we don't talk enough about. so i'm certainly hearing that from my patients, i'm hearing that right now. we need to make sure local and state elected officials noted to make sure that we have wrap-around services in place for those most vulnerable, food insecurity and you know it. isolation is a risk factor for ill health so these are important issues that we're hearing. what i say from a purely medical standpoint, to clarify. in this particular case, this individual meets the 1 c
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criteria. they're in tier 1 c. which because they have a high risk condition, multiple myeloma. so i would hope that they would qualify for the vaccination sooner than they think. potentially in this next month. we're seeing governors across the country brought in who is eligible for the vaccine to increase the speed of rollout. so i'm hoping that we can exceed expectations here and get this man the vaccine in the next month or so. >> a few more quick questions. joy asks, has there been any research as to what physiological factors might cause some people to be asymptomatic? >> i'll answer this quickly. if you're otherwise younger, so that's number one. have no pre-existing conditions. those are the top two. we don't know if there is a genetic pre disposition to having a worse outcome or a better outcome with regard to covid-19.
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the jury is out there. and then what we do know is that men predominantly have worse outwill cops than women but there is a lot to learn about this specific question. >> and one more, one viewer asks whether such a variation in filling the vials, in terms of the number. doses in each vial before we go. >> very common that sometimes these vaccine vials can have up to seven doses. even if we think they have five. that's not error. that's not manufacturing error. it is a common variation. what you're seeing now is pharmacists using all the vials, all the doses in the vial regardless of whether it is five or seven. >> dr. vin gooupta, we thank yo for answering our questions. we will have more questions but for now, thank you very much. this week has left our heads spinning. let's clear up what happened and consider what happens now. we'll have a special report. attack on the capitol when the
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welcome to an msnbc special report. attack on the capitol. i'm joshua johnson. we are dedicating this hour to breaking down the events that led to an insurrection at our nation's capitol. the moments when things could have gotten worse. the aftermath and where a divided nation goes from here. also we have new reporting and


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