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hands. wear a mask every time you leave your home. choose to join the fight against covid-19. do your part. slow the spread. good afternoon, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin. few hours away from night two of the republican national convention. the final nights of celebration could come as historic storm surge hits the gulf coast from hurricane laura. this afternoon, president trump says he'll nominate acting secretary chad wolf to be the secretary of homeland security, one week after a government report said that his term had expired and he was serving illegally. and one day after a group of purportedly current and ex-dhs officials said they were forming a group to oppose the re-election of president trump. last night was devoted in part
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of rewriting history, painting a rosy portrait of president trump's handling of the coronavirus. it's defending itself against of politics interfering with science. my colleague andrea mitchell interviewed peter navarro who defend eed rushing the process. >> are we going to wait to use something that could save thousands of lives? to have a study to tell us what -- >> yes, that's scientific practice. that's the way vaccines are -- >> this an important. >> that's the test. effectiveness is the test. >> this is an important for american people to have. do you want to wait for a therapy which likely works to get these scientific studies who are going to take three, six months, or do you -- president
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trump is the right. >> peter navarro react tock the head of fda cleaning up comments of the benefits of convalescent plasma. president trump hhs secretary alex azar and fda commissioner dr. stephen hahn focused on this number. >> in the study of americans already enrolled to receive this treatment and it's proven to reduce mortality by 35%, that's a tremendous number. >> i just want to emphasize this point, because i don't want to gloss over this number. we dream in drug development of something like a 35% mortality reduction. >> 100 people who are sick with covid-19, 35 would have been saved because of the administration of plasma. >> okay, but that claim was of course taken from a subset of
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data and hahn actually overstated the outcomes. on twitter, hahn said the criticism of his words are justified and added these comments earlier this morning. >> i personally could have done a better job and should have done a better job at the press conference explaining what the data show regarding convalescent plasma and i can assure the american people that this decision was made based upon sound science. >> all right, joining us is christen welker from the white house. kristen, let me begin with you. peter that very owe has blamed the cdc for a shortage in testing and reportedly told fda officials they're, quote the deep state and they needed to get on trump time. what is the white house saying about dr. hahn's backtrack this morning about his endorsement of convalescent plasma. >> they're digging in on the initial announcement and you heard that from peter navarro,
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making the case on "andrea mitchell," who pressed him repeatedly. yet to be determined how effective convalescent plasma is. given that initial study that there's some effectiveness, the president and the administration stand by this decision of the fda. i go back to this critical point in dr. hahn's social media post earlier today, he said, what i should have done better, it doesn't show an absolute risk e reduction. i do think taking a step back and to the initial point that you make, it does come against this backdrop of peter navarro and president trump himself on twitter accusing the fda of slow-walking these types of things. scott gottlieb the former commissioner of the fda fired back against that notion and said that there's no indication that the fda would speed up or
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slow anything down for political reasons, so you do have fda officials who are pushing back very fiercely against that type of characterization. >> all right, kristen stay with me. we have a doctor here who can explain to us about what was wrong with what dr. hahn said in the first place. explain to us what was wrong in how he characterized and described it. >> the challenge is, he overstated -- how many people would get better. relative versus absolute, means comparing apples to and apples to apples, to orange. if you have 100 people on convalescent plasma 35 would be saved. that's absolutely not the case. so the real challenge we have here is that emergency use authorization does not give you the same kind of clear data that a randomized controlled trial
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would do. that's the problem. it may help some people. we don't know how many people it would help and we don't know how quickly it would help them. >> on that point, i want to play for you another exchange with my colleague andrea mitchell and peter navarro about that decision in rushing plasma treatments. watch this. >> emergency approval of using plasma this way reduces the way of possibility of having a randomized study -- >> i don't accept that. >> okay, again, peter is not a scientist, not a doctor, so i should note he's not worried about that, but should doctors be? are we getting all the data we need? >> you know, doctors should be worried about that. the emergency use authorization means that, you know, anybody who wants to use it can use it, that reduces the pool of people who are available for randomized control trial. it's not abundant that we have
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this plasma out there, so every plasma injection that you use for someone under the emergency use authorization means you can't use under the randomize control trial. it's how you analyze the data and the way that data is captured. you know, i always tell people we should follow the advice of trusted people who are experts in the field and not people who are not trusted experts in the field. >> i was going to say, a that's a pretty safe piece of advice. kristen, switching gears looking ahead tonight two of the rnc, what can we expect in the terms of tone? >> another big night, ayman, we'll hear from secretary of state mike pompeo, speaking in israel, which is a complete break with tradition and the move is being highly criticized and scrutinized because typically secretaries of state don't speak at political conventions, there are concerns
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about a potential violation of the hatch act which requires separation of these sort of things. the administration say they have been consulting with their lawyers here, all the speakers who are using official or white house backdrop for their speeches are doing so in accordance with the law. bottom line, pompeo is going to be touting the foreign policy of president trump and of course that recent deal between israel and the uae, really significant in the middle east and then of course all eyes are going to be on first lady melania trump, speaking from the rose garden, she of course just renovated the rose garden, so there will be a lot of attention on that piece of it. the fact that she's speaking higher from the white house, i'm told that she's going to be speaking quite personally about president trump and some of the key moments here over the past several years including her be best campaign, an attempt to reach out and court some of those suburban women voters who
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president trump is struggling with. >> kristen welker and george benjamin, thank you. we want to turn to usa today washington bureau chief susan page. ahead of the second night of the republican convention, the second night doesn't include the virus and the handling of it. in your view, how were republicans handling this important issue during this convention? >> boy, you could not see a bigger contrast between the two conventions than on the issue on covid-19. it very much defined the democratic convention. they described this as a crisis that's not under control in the united states and they blame president trump's lack of leadership for causing. very different picture last night at the republican national convention. it was portrayed as something
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that's under control, in the rearview mirror and for which president trump deserved a lot of credit. >> our fact-checkers were working overtime last night. president trump falsely claimed that mail-in voting is ripe for fraud. >> i'll tell you how i feel about it and most americans believe and that is this process of mail-in ballots have proven to work out just fine. >> i'm confident in it, yes. >> the states in which mail-in voting has already occurred it's fine by me. they shown in most instances it works. they simply don't have the ba bandwidth to be accepting millions upon millions of ballots not with 80 to 90 days to prepare. >> campaign manager bill stepien
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raising concerns, nothing about a stolen election similar to what we heard coming out of president trump's mouth, do republicans hold the line here, or will they be embracing trump's message by election day? >> well, talk about a mixed message. you hear the president talking about mail-in voting as a way that's going to rig the election, open to fraud, that's not what we're hearing from his own campaign officials, and certainly from republicans in states who want their voters to send in mail-in ballots during a pandemic, some republicans are very concerned about the president's message here, as discouraging their voters from voting that way. >> you're a biographer of former first lady barbara bush. let's look ahead. first lady melania trump is expected to deliver her speech. it comes amid reports that she was also taped making derogatory comments about her husband and his adult children. what do you expect here?
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she certainly doesn't get a free pass in the way she's conducted herself over the last 3 1/2 yea years. >> the portrayal that mary trump has done of her uncle, i mean this is going to be a difficult thanksgiving i think for the trump family given the books by close friends and family members. i'm pretty sure we won't be hearing about that tonight. >> i'm pretty sure she won't be criticizing her husband for a lot of his online tactics. you pointed out, susan that we're now seeing the emergence of republicans who may want to succeed trump as the gop nominee next time around, you saw some of them last night, tim scott,
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maybe even nikki haley, is the party prepared if trump loses, does trumpism live on beyond trump? >> you know, i don't think that's at all clear. if he wins re-election, he'll continue to redefine the republican party. if he loses, we don't know. does the party turn to people like nikki haley or mike pompeo or tim scott or even some republicans who have fallen away during the trump era? we've never seen as many members of opposition party endorse the candidate on the other side, with republicans and former republicans endorsing joe biden. du the gop manage to get those officials and those former officials back? we don't know. >> it could turn to the jim
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jord jordan, or matt gaetz or the ron desantis of the republican party. mike pompeo will address the republican convention with jerusalem as his backdrop, why this is sparking outrage among american diplomats, current and former, we'll tell you about that. you're watching msnbc. c. you say that customers make their own rules.
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affairs committee sub panel on oversight will now investigate mike pompeo's decision to speak tonight at the republican convention, his remarks will be in a prerecorded speech delivered from jerusalem. pompeo's move breaks decade of precedent for sitting secretariesover state who typically sought to foreign policy from partisanship. he'll be speaking in his personal capacity and not as a u.s. official. but the significance of jerusalem as the site of this speech is hard to overstate, especially in light of the president's recent false claims. >> remove the capital of israel to jerusalem. that's for the evangelicals. what's amazing with that, the evangelicals are more excited about that than jewish people. >> the president did not move
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the capital of israel to jerusalem. he moved the u.s. embassy to jerusalem and announced that the united states would recognize jerusalem as israel's capital. joining me now is the president of the council of foreign relations is richard haass. richard, great to have you with us. some developing news this hour with the house deciding to investigate this. let's talk about what this means for the state department. current state department guidance actually bars officials from engaging in partisan politics. i'm curious to get your thoughts, is pompeo's speech here just break with longstanding ethical guidelines or, are there actually potential consequences? >> look, i'll leave it to the lawyers whether there's legal consequences. bottom line is, he shouldn't be doing it. and he knows that. he knows better. there's no reason to politicize
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american foreign policy. he doesn't have a personal capacity. he's the secretary of state of the united states. you don't want to do things like this because, it just opens up the question, is he speaking for the country, or is she speaking for the party or the president? does this mean if trump loses the election that american foreign policy totally ignores what he's been saying up until now, it just reduces a degree of politics and a degree of uncertainty that's inconsistent with the national security. >> so let's talk about that for a moment. national security and what this means. do you think pompeo's speech is likely to have any diplomatic or national security consequences? >> look, that's the recognition the move of the embassy there. i doubt a biden administration would change that. it looks to me an attempt to
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capitalize on it politically, it comes in the aftermath as you know of the agreement between israel and united arab emirates. this looks like the politicalization of foreign policy for partsan purposes. the world is a complicated enough place. without driving this kind of a wedge into the domestic debate here. again, he should be beyond that. you know when i grew up, ayman the expression that politics stopped at the borders' edge, now it seems to beginning there. >> let me ask you quickly, you brought up this point, what do you make of foreign policy being complicat complicated. what do you make of why the president moved the embassy? i did that for the evangelicals. then says they were more happy about that than the jewish
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people who obviously consider jerusalem as their eternal capital. >> that's twice-over offense. make a foreign policy decision for the support of this or that group and then comparing the reaction of one religious group to another religious group, that's just offensive, it's wrong, it's offensive on any and every level. >> before we go, richard, the situation in belarus, the opposition leader there spoke in front of european parliament committee today, she met with u.s. departmenty secretary of state, can building support with european and american allies ultimately help the opposition in that country oust president lukashenko? >> i think so, but the real question is going to be, whether the security forces are willing to back them. the sanctions should be very
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clear. but also there should be a message if the security forces desert him, as they should, then the sanctions would disappear, that europe and united states want to have good relations with belarus not just under this illegitimate leadership. >> always a pleasure. thank you so much for your time today, richard. >> thanks. from the fda's emergency approval of convalescent plasma treatment for covid-19, now a push to do the same for a vaccine, authorities under pressure to make these decisions, that's the question. you're looking live at rally in louisville, kentucky, calling for justice following the death of breonna taylor after she was shot by police five months ago, much more on the calls for racial justice later this hour. r and can't wait until you are too. universal orlando resort. buy now and get two days free at the parks.
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all right, we're back with that breaking news pictures we're trying to get to right before the break. a rally in louisville, kentucky, calling for justice following the death of breonna taylor after she was shot by police more than five months ago. more from there later on in the program. we're also following the very latest on the coronavirus
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and efforts to combat that. here are the facts as we know them this hour -- american airlines announced today that it's planning to cut 19,000 jobs in october, when federal aid runs out. following these cuts, american airlines will have 40,000 fewer employees than it did on march 1st. kentucky fried chicken has decided to pause its finger lickin' good slogan. the university of alabama has announced since in-person lessons resumed, more than 500 confirmed cases among students, faculty and staff. the biden campaign say both joe biden and ckamecakameala hal now be test daily. the influence on politics on decisions concerning the coronavirus. in a new interview with reuters dr. fauci pushed back on the use
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of eua for a coronavirus vaccine, making it more difficult to run future trials. this comes as dr. fauci told the washington post, in an article about vmt pence quote, i'm sometimes referred to as the skunk at the picnic but pence never directly asks me the skunk, or me, to leave. thank you so much for joining us. we have heard from experts, many of them sharing their concerns over russia's rush to develop a vaccine, do you have any concerns about leaders here in the united states or in the west pushing to use a vaccine too soon? >> the lede has been very clear over the years, there have to be protocols for vaccine and those protocols have to be passed. they come in three phases for
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human trials on volunteers, on larger populations, and then multicenter studies. i really don't think it will possible for any of this work to be rushed. there's too much at stake. i for one and i think all my colleagues want to see the proper procedures followed at all times. >> can you expand on that. dr. anthony fauci's point that rushing to use a coronavirus vaccine may actually endanger the work being done on other vaccines, expand on how harmful that would be for us. >> well, there's always been some uncertainty among people about vaccines. and in some cases that leads to quite large number of people deciding not to be vaccinated. then you get diseases that could be prevented that are actually quite dangerous coming back.
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we have that quite a lot with measles. i think all of us working in infectious diseases are really keen that we spare absolutely no effort to make sure that vaccines, as well as being effective are absolutely safe. and that's why we talk quite a lot about trying to make certain that the protocols are properly followed. i think youfd expect that. >> one of the things that we have seen here in the united states as well as around the world is that this pandemic has often hit hardest low-income communities, where access to medical care may sometimes be difficult or remote, what steps do you advise leaders in those communities or around the world to take care of those communities? >> well, thank you for picking that point out. this disease is spreading most among poor people in poor
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countries. actually what happens the people who are most at risk of the disease are also least able to deal with it, they're least able to manage the containment measures we put in place. altogether this is becoming a disease of poor people and unless we pay attention to the access of health care, manufacturing of goods, this pandemic is going to be really hard to control. >> let me switch gears if i can for a moment, you may be familiar with our white house adviser peter navarro. he spoke about the use of convalescent plasma for patients with covid-19. let me play a part of what he had to say. >> people are dying out there does convalescent plasma likely help people in terms of saving lives? i think the answer is yes. the question of how much it
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helps, that's to be determined. but i think that -- that it's good that that's out there. >> in your expertise and your experience of battling past outbreaks, is it unusual for a government to promote a treatment like this with so many questions still unanswered? >> well, i think everybody wants to find effective care for people who got covid, and i'm really pleased that all sort of new options are being looked at. ebola in 2014, we were seeing real promise from convalescent plasma and some developments from it. i think that all of us want to see therapies made available affo affordably and if we can get the cost done, yes, please go ahead, check it out and let's see if we can get it available at low cost
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for people who need it. >> dr. navarro, thank you. switching gears for a emt month, jerry falwell jr. is out as president of liberty university. much more after the break. you're watching msnbc. and still going for my best. even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib... ...not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i want that too. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis is fda-approved and has both. what's next? reeling in a nice one. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily- -and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop.
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all right, more breaking news this hour, liberty university board of trustees announced it's accepted the resignation of embattled school president and member of its board of directors jerry falwell jr., a scandal involving alleged extramarital infidelity. in a statement released by liberty university it says that, quote, after agreeing yesterday to immediately resign and then reversing course, he sent the resignation late last night. the executive commit teal met
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this morning and voted to accept the resignation immediately. >> reporter: jerry falwell jr.'s time as president of liberty university coming to an end. >> thank you. >> reporter: it comes after he gave a lengthy statement to the washington examiner saying his wife becki had an extramarital affair. according to reuters that man is juan car low granden, he was aware of becki's inappropriate relation. he told reuters that he had an eight-year relationship with becki. he gave reuters text messages and screen shots. as well as this 2018 audio recording of this conversation
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with the couple. >> nbc news hasn't seen the messages or fophotos shared wit reuters. grande writing to jerry, since you're okay with running my life, i'm going on the take the kamikaze route. falwell said he tried using the affair to extort him. something he denies. >> president donald j. trump. >> reporter: last year, becki spoke with eric trump's wife lara. >> we're so proud of our students here at liberty and it's such an honor to be able to serve along them. we try to teach good family values. >> reporter: falwell is on a leave of absence after posting
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and then deleting this photo with a woman that's his not wife, he said it was taken a costume party and in good fun. okay, stephanie gosk reporting for us there. now let's a quick check of the markets, right now the dow is down more than 65 points as apple shares declined for the first time in six sessions, the s&p is going for four straight days of gain. jacob blake's father says he's parl issed from the waist down. we're live in wisconsin after the break. plus, a broader discussion
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top of the hour in kenosha where blake's family and attorney will given a update on his condition. according to our affiliate, the wisconsin attorney general said he wouldn't share more information about the investigation until it's complete. joining us now is nbc news report shaquille brewster live from kenosha. let's get up to speed quickly about what we know about blake's condition ahead of this press conference and what we're exhibited to hear from the attorney and the family. >> reporter: in just a few minutes we'll hear a complete update on jacob blake's condition. the last that we heard was from his father, who told nbc news this morning who said he's paralyzed from his waist down. the last we heard from benjamin crump he said the family got to see mr. blake in the hospital just yesterday. in a couple of minutes, his attorneys will have a press
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conference and will speak and take questions from reporters and give the latest on mr. blake's condition. they'll talk about the next steps forward in this case, and as you mentioned, we have some new updates in terms of the investigation, because the state is taking control of this investigation that there's that 30-day window for them to give a report to the district attorney, to prosecutors, to determine if day want to possibly have charges or not have charges. what we know now that you have the state attorney saying, no more details until that point. that's pretty new, because what people have been calling for, protesters out in the street, they want more details, they want those officers involved to be fired for those actions. one other note, ayman, we talked about the vie license we saw last night that -- after you had the peaceful protest that gave way to the burning buildings, in
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addition -- he mobilized the national guard but he's escalating that mobilization, he'll have 250 national guard members here in kenosha county to protect property and assist local law enforcement. >> shaquille producer the, thanks. we should note to our viewers, we reached out to wisconsin attorney general who was unavailable to join us today. let's bring in msnbc host and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton. and radhika jones. good to have you both of with you. radhika protests are hoping today also in louisville, in
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breonna taylor's name. when you see another tragedy unfolding in kenosha five months after the death of breonna taylor, what goes through your mind about the tate of our country? >> well, this is exactly what we write about in the issue, and it's -- there's a very powerful piece that we published, an oral history of the first two weeks of the protests after george floyd's murder. and we talked about, you know, the fact that change happens very slowly in our country, the fact that activism goes through a lot of phases and it can be, you know, it's incredibly awful to be seeing videos like this over and over again. to feel like we're stuck in a cycle. but, but what many people express to us in this issue is that they do feel that the conversation the activism has -- you know, it has intensified.
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we're talking more about police reform. we're talking about different ways to enshure equality. and so, as tragic as this event is, it's been, you know, it's helpful to get some of that perspective from people who have been doing this for decades. >> we'll certainly talk about what it means for the politics of the election. rev, i wanted to get your thoughts. today marks exactly three months since george floyd was killed. in this upcoming "vanity fair" piece, you speak about the long struggle floyd's family will have to face, but there was a sense of hope after his death that the national dialogue on this was starting to change by magazine issues like we're seeing in vanity fair and national discussions and elsewhere. now we're seeing this death to kenosha once again.
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are you still hopeful that we're moving in the right direction from what you see? >> i am still hopeful. i received a call last night from the father of mr. blake in kenosha. in fact, the family of joyce floyd and the father of this young man that was brutally shot several times in the back will be speaking at our national march this friday in washington, with martin luther king iii and i. breonna taylor's mother and others. we want to show that we must not only continue the demonstration. we must turn it to legislation. there's a george floyd police and justice act that makes it a felony for police to cause death by suppression where police records become public, when they no longer give immunity from suits. and that's passed the house. we want it to pass the senate. on the anniversearies of the '63
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march on washington, we're having all of the families come and many people have come to washington to turn demonstration into legislation as we demonstrate. but i think ms. jones is right. when "vanity fair" and others are pushing this conversation, what i see differently is more americans, white, black, of other races that were not in the conversation. so as i spoke last night to this father, whose father, the grandson -- the grandfather of this young man who is in the hospital, was a civil rights leader who i knew as a kid. when i talk to him, i can tell him, it is hard especially going to the hospital to see his son shot in the back, but the hope is that now more americans are saying, we've got to deal with racism than i've seen in my lifetime, and we've got to translate that opinion into law so we don't end this with people saying, oh, they just had a very
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volatile summer and move on. we can't move on without some laws changed and give permanence to this moment. >> let me play for both of you a little bit about what was said about racism in america at the rnc last night. take a listen. >> in much of the democratic party, it's now fashionable to say that america is racist. that is a lie. america is not a racist country. >> in the deep south, i've seen racism up close. i know what it is. and it isn't donald trump. >> they're not satisfied with spreading the chaos and violence into our communities. they want to abolish the suburbs altogether. >> in 1994, biden led the charge on a crime bill that put millions of black americans behind bars. >> i want to get your reaction. i should note that nikki haley said before that she and her family faced discrimination and hardship in america. so did herschel walker say that
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he faced discrimination, though it wasn't in the face of trump, but what's your reaction to these types of remarks, and how do you think the american people will view them? >> well, it is an hysterical attempt by mr. trump to get some people friendly with him to recast his presidency. let's remember that donald trump has supported every one of these measures from stop and frisk to what would be equivalent to the crime bill now. in '94, i was against the crime bill. i marched on clinton and biden. he's said it has unintended consequences. president trump is advocating it now. what was interesting to me watching last night is when senator tim scott said that in one lifetime, his family went from kocotton to congress. but they didn't go there because washington decided that. they went there because people that are marching now, people like me that was marching then and now, forced america to do
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that. he acts like the rnc of donald trump brought us from cotton to congress. it was those of us fighting the donald trumps that brought him from cotton to congress. donald trump is defending the statues of those that had a civil war to keep him on the cotton field. donald trump said this is our history. they can't change our culture. no, it's our disgrace, and he's trying to keep it where it is. >> rhadika, when you look at the issue you just put together there and the national discussion and the conversation that is taking place, obviously, very different narratives coming out of the dnc and rnc. is there anything in what you saw from the writing and the contributions made by all the writers that weaves these two together that can close this gap between the two sides that we've heard over the past two weeks? >> between -- close this partisan gap? >> yeah, on the issue of race and where -- whether or not this country is still dealing with racism or not as nikki haley and
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others tried to say last night at the rnc. >> it seems to me a reality based gap and i'm not sure that anyone can close that. but i do think that as the reverend said, there is hope in continued activism and activism that leads toward legislation that results. >> thank you both. check out that special new issue of "vanity fair," the september issue. that wraps up this hour for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. tonight, join msnbc for special coverage of the republican national convention. beginning at 7:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts after this quick break. hey, kids!
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in which case, why? just say "summer camp" into your xfinity voice remote to join. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. making fact-checkers great again. just might be the crowning accomplishment of the first night of donald trump's convention. "the washington post" describes the convention program this way.
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quote, a fire hose of false or misleading claims mostly drawn from president trump's arsenal of falsehoods. "the new york times" adds this. quote, at times the speakers and prerecorded videos appeared to be describing an alternate reality, one in which the nation was not nearing 180,000 deaths from the coronavirus. in which mr. trump had not consistently ignored serious warnings about the disease. in which the president had not spent much of his term appealing to xenophobia and racial animus and in which -- we lost that quote, but the point is the fact-checkers had a field day. let's get right to our report -- our favorite reporters and friends. yamiche alcindor joins us and david jolly. just pull back the curtains for our viewers. the teleprompter was

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