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administration. 118 days to go until our presidential election. the rift between donald trump and his top infectious disease experts is growing it appears even as coronavirus 58,238 new infections just today. over 1,000 people died today. trump is publicly dismissing the warnings and recommendations of the centers for disease control and dr. anthony fauci who has been seen and heard everywhere except behind the official podium at the white house and was notably missing from today's rarity task force briefing. the press secretary was asked about dr. fauci's status. >> the president has confidence in the conclusions of our medical experts and it's up to
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him to take what he values in the opinions of dr. fauci and dr. birx and others and do what he thinks is best for the country. there is an explosion of covid cases largely in the sunbelt states and what we are in for if we can't get this under control. here is dr. fauci earlier today -- >> it went from an average of 20,000 to 50,000. that's doubling. any state that is having a serious problem that state should look at shutting down. we have to get our arms around this. >> that goes against trump's assertion that the u.s. is, quote, in a good place with respect to handling this virus.
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with november in clear view, trump says there will be no more shutdowns. it is staying open. the latest push is to open schools. today trump said, quote -- in germany, denmark and many other countries schools are open with no problems. the democrats think it's bad politically for schools to open before november election. may cut off funding if not open. i disagree on the tough and expensive guidelines to open schools. the recommendations include -- keeping class windows open. keeping desks six feet apart. lunch in classrooms. wearing masks. staggering arrival. hours later, the vice president along with members of the coronavirus task force, secretary of education and notably without dr. fauci were
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left to make trump's case to the nation. >> we are actually seeing early indications of a percent of positive testing flattening in arizona, florida and texas. it's essential we get our kids back into classroom for in-person learning. we can't let our kids fall behind academically. >> can you explain why the president is threatening to cut funding from schools at a time when educators say they need more. so they can safely reopen. >> it's a determination. to provide the leadership from the federal level. president said we are going to get the kids back to school. they just don't want it to be too tough. next week the cdc will issue a new set of tools that will give more clarity on the guidance going forward.
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>> the reporter you heard, caitlin collins confirmed the last time the president was at a task force meeting was in april. no one knew what data he was going by as arizona, texas and florida are struggling to get near flattening their curves. mike pence got back up from the secretary of education. who controls relief funding for school districts. >> it is not a matter of if schools should reopen. it's a matter of how. they must reopen and be fully operational. how that happens is best left to education and community leaders. >> this afternoon the white house had their turn to weigh in on the rejection of the cdc guidelines.
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>> the cdc is on the same page as the president. the president is routinely briefed about the coronavirus each and every day. >> did the president pressure cdc to change guidelines that weren't in accordance with medical professionals? >> not at all. >> what is it that the president thinks are too strict and expensive -- >> one example it food services, have children bring their own food. there are 22 million children in the country that depend on these meals. >> that's one thing. is there anything else? >> well, there are several. >> the new york city school system has announced their classes will be limited to one to three days a week. governor comeau said next week he will announce plans to reopen the schools and slammed the president for threatening to withhold funding.
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>> it's not legal or constitutional and you are not going to bully new yorkers. threaten me, threaten me, threaten me. how many times have we been through this. i am still here. do you think the threat is going to work? >> as all of this unfolds, the administration's task force coordinator is advising people who are in those areas where the coronavirus is spiking, to return to phase one guidelines. >> we ask they not go to bars or indoor dining, but really not gathering in homes and decreasing it back to our phase one recommendation which was ten or less in in-home gatherings.
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>> that is a form of reopening walk back. >> then new jersey governor phil murphy ordered masks to be worn when outside and where social distancing is impossible. the mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms who has covid-19 tonight signed a similar order. meanwhile the tulsa city county health director says the campaign rally held in late june, while poorly attended likely contributed to a spike in coronavirus cases. tulsa county report ed 261 new cases on monday, a one-day record high. another 206 cases on tuesday. you will recall several members of the president's advance staff also tested positive after that rally. the campaign insists they use
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hand sanitizer. and encourage masks. he plans to held his next rally on saturday in new hampshire. there is a lot to get to and let's get to it. we have jonathan and mara and a member of "the new york times" editorial board and the doctor. vice chair of preventive medicine. at north western university. doctor, i would like to begin with you because this topic is of reopening schools. red-hot. new york at the bottom of the curve, a city that really locked down and flattened its curve is going to go very easy and part time at best at first. what is your view of what the standard should be and what the danger is right now?
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>> absolutely. thank you for asking me to comment on that topic. we have been thinking a lot about that here in our city as well which has a community burden at a controllable level. as states and cities consider what to do with their schools, i think new york is taking an approach that alliance with recommendations coming from scientists at the cdc. we need to not only have a relatively low baseline level of disease in the community, but you need to have the facilities to support a safe learning environment. as i read about new york's decision-making, they wanted to ensure they had adequate spacing. the number of students they serve wouldn't allow for full class sizes to be present. this is a clear case where recommendations based on science are being put in place to protect our children.
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everybody believes we need children to return to school. and without children in school or day care settings, our economy will be further crippled. however, if we continue with these rapid return of the disease, we will see a rapid loss of life far greater than what we have seeing now. >> i want to play for you some of the relationship between donald trump and dr. fauci. a sampling. about the infectious disease specialist. we will talk about it on the other side. >> every time he is not here -- sometimes i will ask him to come because that's the first thing that people ask. we are doing great. i said dr. fauci, why don't you move to new york and run against aoc.
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today i come in and hear i am going to be firing him. i am not firing him. he has been terrific. i have a lot of respect for them, dr. birx and dr. fauci. i disagree with him. dr. fauci said wear a mask and then said don't wear them. >> a bit of a turn. the president reads polls and no doubt knows that dr. fauci outcredits him about 3 to 1 on the covid crisis. asked who they plooef believe during the crisis. what is going on and is the president not able to help himself? >> that's absolutely what it is, brian. but i think it is possible a little bit of the political reality for the president, that consistent polling data for
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weeks showing him under water, not only on this issue, but in general with the electorate may be starting to seep in. if the president had respect for dr. fauci, public health officials and for the american public he was elected to serve, he would lead a national effort at testing and tracing to contain this virus which is the fastest, safest way to preserve life, health and to get the economy and schools back up and running. but instead, it has been this piecemeal approach and because we don't have a wide scale testing effort, we can't safely reopen. we will continue to see waves of infection until we have a vaccine. it's a tragedy and avoidable. i think those who are frustrated, as all of us are, no matter where you sit on the political spectrum, no matter
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what state you live in, are frustrated. people are sick and dying. the place to look is at at white house and the lack of leadership is literally killing americans right now. >> jonathan, you cover the guy every day. i think there is no debate the president has politicized mask wearing. is he politicizing school reopening? >> i think so. masks became such cultural hot button divisive issue. the president refuses to wear one in public. he's on the verge of making schools may be the next item in line. we heard him today democratic governors and mayors were trying to keep schools close today hurt him politically. he threatened to withhold
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funding if that was to happen. we all want schools to reopen. very much want schools to reopen, but it needs to be done safely. that's what medical experts agree. the president seems to push for it. a sign of a return to normalcy. he knows the economy can't really come back until working parents have a place to put their children. they can't fully re-engage in the workforce unless their kids are at school, so he is trying to really push this forward. some school districts are reopening in a matter of weeks. he is pushing the cdc to change their guidelines. the white house is working up their own guidelines. the cdc is reevaluating theirs. this is a task. as much as dr. fauci has moved
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offstage, the president has cast doubt on the credibility of his own experts and at the moment is lacking credibility. on this issue. he is doing this through a political lens. >> doctor, put your citizenship hat on and think of the math. we have all learned about contact tracing and the math is mind expanding. let's take a class of 25 third graders, all coming together in that room with the teacher. someone is covid positive. one or more of those kids takes a positive case home to, let's say, a three generation family that has been quarantining together. with limited contact outside the house. your numbers have grown. there has to be a case of what
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to do with a multiplicity of cases. it boggles the mind. >> it does. these are the factors we have to keep in mind when we are considering reopening schools. the argument for closing schools this past spring. even though the rates of coronavirus at that time were relatively low in children, when you have schools together, you have adults together, teachers and administrators at that school, children in the classroom and if this is a state where mask wearing is not going to be mandated, then the likelihood of transmission is high. let's say the child has another sibling. even if the outcomes to date haven't been as severe in children, the loss of even one
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sick child is too many. and this doesn't keep in mind the teachers who have now become essential workers who are risking their lives to provide education to their children. i am the daughter of a teacher. my husband works in k through 12 education as well. these people are at risk as well. along with the social circles. we need to take the utmost caution with our resources. >> and this is personal for you. of the four of us talking, you are the only covid-19 survivor that i know of in this conversation group. as a new yorker, i want to show you the graphic of the united states superimposed over what new york did. that was new york's curve. those were the bad days, march, april, refrigerated trucks pulling up behind hospitals
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because they couldn't handle the bodies in the morgue. look at the rest of the country. that almost follows your personal journey with this illness. what do you worry about for the folks in the areas where this thing is still chewing up territory and people? and climbing. >> americans are on their own because our government has betrayed and abandoned us, failed us. i continue to believe that a majority of americans who are still going to bars and restaurants, beaches in hot spots don't understand what this virus is, what it can do and looks like. i have shared my personal story before, but i will shout it from the rooftops. 33, healthy, no problems.
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it will be three months on friday and i am still struggling to recover from this virus. i am expected to make a full recovery eventually, but you just don't know how your body will react. you don't know how the bodies of those you love and neighbors will react. this is not a flu. it can be very serious and even if it doesn't kill you, there are a large number of americans sick for months and weeks with various symptoms from this virus. please take it seriously and wear a mask if you go out. keep in mind you need to take care of one another, your neighbors, even if they don't look like you, worship like you, we are all one country. a hot spot, just because it is not in your state doesn't mean you won't be affected.
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respect can go a long way. and attention to those living in poverty and those minorities suffering disproportionately. they need to monitor this before it's too late so they get supplemental oxygen and don't succumb. thank you all. coming up, it is a matter of life and death for teachers and students and their families as we just heard the doctor say. later, james carville report.
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to talk about what it is that just posted about the upcoming lex what is it about that man here. here is a preview. good for biden and bad for trump as "the 11th hour" is just getting underway.
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while the president pressures states to quickly reopen schools, local leaders, struggling how to do that especially in areas that are spiking. despite a state order to reopen school next month, as in south florida say they will not do so. some florida teachers are update with the mandate saying funding is needed to keep everyone safe. we welcome the president of the florida education association
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which is comprised of 100 different teachers unions. thank you for joining us. schools are locally funded and governed. when the president talks about funding, he could hurt ppe funding, some funding for poor kids, but schools have traditionally been a local deal. what do you and your folks need? what are you demanding between now and your determination that it's safe to bring kids back into the classroom? >> thank you for having me. it's important we talk about florida tonight because we are the epicenter of what is going on in our country. we are ground zero as it relates to the coronavirus, frankly, in the world. almost 10,000 cases reported today. 223,000 total. we have 48 deaths reported from this virus today.
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and we have 3,089 deaths reported. we are a state that is regressing. in a state where you have beaches where you cannot go, restaurants where you cannot congregate. we have serious issues. our governor says we have schools ready to go. they are not because we know it will cost more money for us to go to these schools and not less. shame on the president of the united states who invokes a threat that he will extract money from the federal government to the most challenged students. this is a fund where he talks about he is going to take them out of our schools and teachers hands to give to these kids the proper resources and assistance that some of our kids need. we are not seeing any level of leadership that we have any confidence in.
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we are not ready to open schools in four weeks. this approach that will give us hell or high water we are going to open schools, this approach full speed ahead, we need to take a pause and get this right around the state first. >> let me ask you this first. what about the scenario i just asked the doctor about. third grade class, 25 third graders, 1 symptomatic case to takes it home to a three generation household and someone gets very ill. is there a protocol for that in florida. is that something you would like to see in place before you get the kids back to school and teachers back to work? >> absolutely. we need a national strategy. our governor tied himself to the
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federal administration. the administration is not giving any level of to the kids. there's a lot of protocols we need. what will happen with concerts, with our classrooms? will our teachers be given ppe? we need more funding. are we having plex glass around desks? are we going to practice social distancing. if we have to get students to our public schools, how will we do social distancing on school buses. they have become heroes, they have fed kids in communities. but we need to be sure if we are going from two kids in a seat to one kid on a seat or 25% capacity. that's three options. you will either have to increase the bus routes or or options. we're not prepared to do that.
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we don't have the money. put the pressure on the national government to pass the heroes act has been passed in the house and we need to put pressure on mitch mcconnell to say we need this money in our public schools or we will not be able to open up our schools in a way that will be safe and take care of our teachers and students. >> i don't know much, but we need to figure this out before the first child enters a classroom. thank you for making time for us. we will check back in with you. democrats should prepare nor post-traumatic feelings. >> what a leading election prognosticator has to say about the upcoming election. when we come back. ♪
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this virus is testing all of us. and it's testing the people on the front lines of this fight most of all. so abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need.
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and until this fight is over, we...will...never...quit. because they never quit. here is the item i was alluding to earlier, the cook political report. their outlook on the election in a way that doesn't look good for the incumbent. they are saying it looks more like a democratic tsunami than a blue wave. that's their word, not ours. they have this -- president trump, mired in some of the lowest -- l back with us
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tonight. always entertaining raging cajun, these days with the 2020 politics broadcast. should democrats use some of that black bunting they bought after 2016, wrap their phones in it and ignore everything about the election and continue to work hard until the election. >> the cook report, charlie is a louisiana guy. academic prognosticators are very good.
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they study before they make the decision. amy wrote the piece i know her very well. she is thorough. if you look at a breath of polls, you can see. i have been saying this for a long time. right now this race looks like it is going to be a rout. i don't know what trump is doing. south dakota was the nuttiest thing i have ever seen. confederate si is the only thing they have going. this is going foorly -- poorly for him. charlie talks to everybody. they have a reputation to sustain and they don't make very many mistakes. >> james, this group of republican voters against trump is out with a powerful add that features the ronald reagan shining speech on a hill while showing pictures of present day
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showing donald trump's america. i will roll it, and we will talk about it on the other side. >> are you convinced we have earned the respect of the world and our allies? young americans should always be in a country that is free and let us keep our resolve that we did keep safe, that we did protect and pass on lovingly, that shining city on a hill. >> james, i presume you guys are really thankful for the assist. i also further presume you never could have dreamed in your lifetime the most effective ads against the republican incumbent president would come from republican political types like you.
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>> i would not, but these people are patriots. i get so many of these ads on my cell phone. people text them to me left and right. but they are important because they remind republicans what is at stake here. this is an important part of the coalition and important why it talks about a tsunami. in 2018 we had a good election. we didn't do as good as we should have in ohio and florida. people are telling me we are considerably ahead in florida and a little bit ahead in ohio. those numbers will come down in 2020. they will come down. >> on that note james has agreed to stay with us. we will fit in a break. when we come back, at some point in the next 118 days until the
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election, it stands we will see some presidential debates. we will talk about the chances and state of play when we come back.
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welcome back. tom freedman of "the new york times" says biden should not debate the president unless he meets two conditions. he should demand trump release his tax returns from 2016 to 2018 for starters. and should insist a real time fact checking team be hired by the nonpartisan commission and ten minutes before the scheduled conclusion, this team report on any phony numbers or outright lies either candidate uttered. james carville with us. no one will agree to that. who needs debates more?
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>> tom writes very well. i am going to stay away from writing about politics. biden wants to debate trump. he is a dufus. biden debated warren and sanders. klobuchar. i saw him the night before south carolina. he did very well. he can debate anyone and will trounce donald trump. he needs to be sure he is get a picture side by side side so you can see how fit and trim vice president biden is versus donald trump. and what a slob trump is. i don't think trump will show up. i don't think he will be around a debate with joe biden. he is one of the most articulate, bright people i have
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seen in my life. i like tom, but that's a waste of ink. >> let me ask you about second quarter fund-raising. some of the challengers of some of the republicans. truly vulnerable republicans. it has been a question. as i asked somebody last night, how is susan collins going to run for re-election on confederate statues and sports teams named redskins. some of the numbers the challengers raised for second quarter been raised for q 2 are off the charts. do you believe the senate is really within reach? >> first of all, to use a pun here, it is a lost cause, get over it. the confederacy is gone. of course you see these numbers.
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the question is not is the senate gone, it is gone. the democrats will control the senate. but do we have 54 democratic senators or 58. in order to have 58, if trump stays in the race which i think is somewhat doubtful, then you have to have these debates because that will get you there. what i am seeing now, brian -- i look at politics, he is clocking in at 41%. that's it. this is where this is going. i have been saying this for a long time. we have to keep the pressure on. trump campaign is doing a great job. the biden campaign is doing a great job. we have to keep pushing forward and keep the eye on the ball. he absolutely should debate. >> james carville, with thanks for whatever you did to stop the dog barking, we appreciate you joining us.
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thanks for having us in again. >> always. coming up, an iraq war veteran comes in to talk about the iraq war veterans who have been in the news these days, when we continue.
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the va is dealing with 5,000 coronavirus cases in its hospitals. that we know of. spikes right now in florida, arizona and texas. same as the general population. this stat of 5,000 follows an alarms report out of pennsylvania. "washington post" saying for two weeks in april residents at a nursing home were given a covid-19 cocktail. many had not been tested for covid-19. but a nurse told the post they started using hydroxychloroquine on anyone who had symptoms. it was in the news. it was like the next great
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thing. i feel like it was let's use this on our elderly patients and see what happens. maybe they thought they were going to die anyway. with us tonight is paul. founder of iava. to his credit he's been focusing public attention on the va ask approximate hospitals during the pandemic. he's host of the pod cast angry americans. in his previous life he was a u.s. army first lieutenant and platoon leader in iraq. paul, there's a lot to discuss involving veterans especially the war you fought in. let start with tammy duckworth. forebearers fought alongside george washington in the u.s. army before it had a name. she left both legs on a battlefield in iraq. this week she was called a moron, hates america. and said she was a coward. your turn.
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>> good to be with you. always a pleasure to follow a marine core vet. and barking dogs. when it comes to tucker karlson is an annoying, ridiculous shameful barking dog. it's beneath us to acknowledge it on some level. i have known her for decades. a decorated war hero and inspiration to people of all parties. patriotism should be beyond reproach. i don't know what the angle is. i don't know why he thinks this could benefit politics or trumps politics. it's a low. maybe it elevates her story. and people understand her heroism and puts it in the spotlight. which she has been doing her entire career. latest weird and shameful week. that's full of them impacting veterans in a lot of ways. >> talk about lieutenant vindman.
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who was obviously a decorated veteran over saes. i believe he's got combat badge and a purple heart and a ranger tab. to his credit. i believe he was also up for promotion to full bird colonel. decided to leave the armed forces. your reaction. >> it's a shameful end to a shameful story. trump disrespected him and a whistle blowing hero. and in effect disrespected the military. he was attacking any honorable member of the military who came forward to tell the truth. if there's an upside. he is in out of the military. he's free to talk. he's free to write a book or go on 60 minutes. i hope he lets it fly. many americans of all parties respect him. appreciate his courage. and his candor. and we need it now more than ever.
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this is amazing time. if we would have said a couple years ago the republican party and the president would be leading political attacks attacking decorated combat veterans. it would have been unthinkable. three and a half years ago, they attacked mccain and gold star families. attacks go on and on. and policy. they take money away from the pentagon down to the wall. removing troops from germany. and that only benefit russia. it's a continuing trend. it's bad politics for trump. if he thinks it's a winning hand. it will exacerbate problems. >> finally. the topic we were looking for you to talk about days ago. the story of the bounties the blood money allegedly paid by putin russia to kill your brothers and sisters on the battlefield in afghanistan. >> shameful. we need to know who knew what when.
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i want to see the president in front of congress and asked hard questions. secretary of defense that everybody inside the pentagon calls yes per. all he does is say yes to trump. he needs to be dragged before congress. find out who knew what, when. we can't wait until november. or election. next year maybe there's a new president. and coronavirus issue trump has been pushing hydroxychloroquine. secretary of va has been pushing it. even though we know it doesn't work and may have dangerous effects. if they knew it was hurting veterans and it's still being pushed. experimenting on veterans. that needs congressional investigation. trump lied and vets died. that's what people need to understand. trump lied vets died. we need a congressional investigation up to the top. it need be impeachment articles. if he knew vets were being used as guinea pigs and died. people need to step up. both parties answer the call.
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>> decorated veteran. on brand from the garage with an american muscle car. the u.s. flag couple bottles of booze for good measure. thank you very much. coming up for us. a brutal new attack ad. not so much about trump. but the men and women who some believe sold him their very souls.
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last thing before we go tonight about current politics. trump presidency is one thing. trumpism his total take over and ownership of the republican party is quite another. republican members of the this u.s. senate with few exceptions no matter what they say or how much they seem to be baring the weight of the world no matter
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how troubled they are by his words, they are dependable votes for this president. in many cases he out right owns the otherwise grown adults. the folks at the lincoln project the former republican campaign veterans are focussed on beating trump. they are out with a devastating new tv ad. demanding that viewers learn their names. >> some day soon the time of trump will pass. this circus of incompetence, corruption kp cruelty will end. when it does the men and women in the republican party will come to you. telling you they can repair the damage he's done. they'll beg you to forget votes to exonerate trump from crimes. ask you to forgive silence and coward is and betrayal. as trump wrecked this nation. every time they had a choice
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between america and trump, they chose trump. every time they were called to the service of the nation and the sacred oath. they chose trump. every time. learn their names. remember their actions. and never ever trust them again. >> that ad was taken put together by the republicans the lincoln project to take us off the air this evening. that is our broadcast for wednesday night. on behalf of my colleagues. good night. > tonight on "all in," a desperate president threatens to defund schools as the white house overrides cdc guidelines for reopening. tonight donald trump's election
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year plan to send your kids back to schools at any costs. flashbacks on new york. new reporting on houston residents dying at home. plus, bullying, intimidation and retaliation. why this star impeachment witness says he was forced out of government and why republicans are now concerned trump's war on an tennessee -- absentee ballots will backfire on them when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. countries all over the world have successfully reopened their schools. denmark was the first country in europe to do so, reopening their primary schools on april 20th. in wuhan, schools started reopening at the end of april. in singapore, schools reopened at the end of june and even started some extracurricular activities. of course this hasn't all gone smoothly everywhere. there have been plenty of places where the virus flaired up and they had to close again.

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