tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC February 10, 2020 7:00pm-8:00pm PST
lease the 2020 nx 300 for $359 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. three new hampshire towns are about to throw open the poles for midnight voting. the chair of the board of selectmen told us they have 45 voters on their checklist. 18 they expect to vote in person tonight at midnight. 21 who voted absentee. six who signed an affidavit saying they are exercising their right not to vote. that accounts for everybody. they have a plan for moving fast. a state rep tells us they are expecting to be done in about five minutes. as soon as every eligible voter in town is accounted for, they will announce the results. we might get three announcements in the midnight hour tonight. brian williams will have live coverage of the midnight voting in new hampshire. cal perry will report live.
don't go to bed. see you for our special new hampshire coverage as it rolls on from here on out. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> the other two are mills field, which has maybe 21 people living there. of course, the most famous one, dixville notch. it gets all the attention because there's only about a dozen people there. you win dixville notch with single digits. it's new hampshire, in other words, ham happen has been desperately trying to get attention in elections since 1936 when they first did midnight voting. now the first presidential primary. they say jump and we say how high. >> it's apparently indelible. no one can escape it.
every four years, i find it totally fascinating and exciting. >> that's why i'm in new hampshire tonight. >> excellent. well done. thanks. >> thank you. here at msnbc election headquarters, we will be joined by friends and experts who have been running all over this state for days now covering this campaign. joy reed, john hielman and james pindle. we are two hours away from the first votes being cast in the first presidential primary of this election year. those first votes will be cast just after midnight, just after the clock strikes midnight. among the other places, of course, the very famous dixville notch. close to the canadian border. since 1960, it has been a new hampshire tradition to have that vote. first on election day. the first ones to report the
results. they traditionally vote a minute after midnight. four years ago, bernie sanders beat hillary clinton decisively in dixville notch by four votes. the total vote was 4-0. bernie sanders seems positioned to come in first in new hampshire tomorrow night. the poll has sanders in the lead now at 27%. pete buttigieg at 19%. warren and biden and klobuchar ti tied in third. money is clearly not the most important factor in the competition in new hampshire, because billionaire tom steyer has spent more money on tv advertising than all of the other campaigns combined in new hampshire. he is polling at 2% tonight in new hampshire. money does seem to be an
important factor in the national campaign. according to a new poll, billionaire mike bloomberg, who has already spent hundreds of millions of dollars on tv advertising has zoomed into a statistical tie for second place in that national poll. sanders is the new front-runner at 25%. joe biden is at 17%. bloomberg 15%, warren at 14%. buttigieg is at 10% in that national poll. klobuchar is 4% in the poll. you will be bombarded with numbers and already have been, else polling numbers and fund-raising numbers. the only numbers that matter are the numbers of delegates to the democratic national convention that the candidates win. after iowa, this is the delegate
count. buttigieg has 14. sanders has 12. warren has 8. biden has 6. klobuchar has 1. that's it. tomorrow night, probably all of those candidates are likely to pick up more delegate support in new hampshire. if the delegates continue to be split among five candidates, it is entirely possible that no one will win enough delegates during the primaries to secure the democratic nomination. so as important as new hampshire's voting is tomorrow night, you voters and all of the other democratic primary states will be casting votes that are just as important as the votes that new hampshire will begin to count in just a couple of hours in dixville notch. we invited all of the top tier candidates to join us tonight. two of them were able to work us into their campaign schedules on this final night in the new hampshire campaign. senator elizabeth warren and senator amy klobuchar.
here a sample of the closing arguments from the other top tier candidates. >> tomorrow could begin the end of donald trump. [ applause ] if we win here in new hampshire after winning in iowa, i think we got a great chance to win in nevada. i think we have a strong shot in south carolina and california and the states that follow. so if we win here tomorrow, i think we got a path to victory for the democratic nomination. >> the president of the united states thinks we're suckers. but we know -- we know that there will be accountability for all of those broken promises. if the senate was the jury last week, we're the jury this year. and we get to have the final verdict on the president of the united states. [ applause ]
>> like many of you, i've had real losses in my life. like many of you have. but i will be, excuse my language, he will by damned if i will stand by and watch us lose this country to donald trump a second time. [ applause ] this is the united states of america! it's time to lift our heads up and remember, there's not a thing beyond our capacity if we act together. so let's get up and take back this country and take it back now! >> we are joined by massachusetts senior senator elizabeth warren who will have her last word with new hampshire voters on this program. senator warren, thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> oh, thank you for having me. it's fun to be here. >> as is often the case in a presidential campaign that involves an incumbent president, he sets the campaign agenda as he did today by issuing a budget
in which president trump cuts medicare and cuts medicaid. these are promises he made to not cut health care funding. also would cut funding to the affordable care act. he is trying to eliminate the affordable care act completely. your reaction to the trump budget cuts in health care? >> you know, this is just one more reason that we have as our number one job come november is beat donald trump. but understand this. a country that elected donald trump already has serious problems. we have been undercutting america's middle class for decades now. donald trump is just taking this to new lows. with everything he is trying to do. people are struggling to pay for health care. what does donald trump try to do? let's make it worse. people struggle in this country and donald trump -- they are struggling to get by on a social security check. donald trump wants to make that worse. we can't have four more years of
donald trump. we also can't go back. for me, what this is all about is putting government not on the side of billionaires who don't want to pay taxes, not on the side of big corporations that owe no real loyalty to this country, not on the side of lobbyists who get rich on this for years now. it's put this government on the side of hard working americans. that's why i'm in this fight. that's what i'm fighting for. i think that's how we're going to beat donald trump. >> senator, we have never seen so many progressive tax plans in a democratic presidential primary. you have a very ro grprogressiv plan, including a wealth tax. all the other candidates do, too. in a warren presidency, let's assume that mitch mcconnell is still in the united states senate and might still be in control of it by a vote or two or close to it but certainly in a filibuster position, and the best that can get through congress, the best nancy pelosi can manage is the biden tax plan
today, which is basically a restoration of the obama tax rates pushing the income tax rate back up to 39%, but no warren wealth tax, none of those proposals that you have made beyond raising the top income tax. would you veto that if that's what the democrats in congress were able to send you? >> no. understand this. look, the approach i use is, you make something better for working families, then, yeah, let's do it. but then i'm going to get up the next morning and fight to make it better. that's what we have to do. we have to take our wins and keep fighting to make it stronger. but i want to say something really important about this point you are making on taxes. understand this. that 2 cent wealth tax that i have been pushing. it's not just popular among democrats. it's popular among republicans across this nation.
look, democrats and republicans understand that they're just getting ripped off, just the wealth tax itself, that 2 cent tax on fortunes above $50 million, understand this, the 99% last year paid 7.2% of their total wealth in taxes. that top one-tenth that i'm talking about, they paid 3.2%. less than half as much. so here is my plan around this. i'm going to fight for the wealth tax from the white house. and i'm going to ask people across this country to fight to press our congress to do the people's business. i want to add one more point. you said, mitch mcconnell may be able to block this with a filibuster. look, if mitch mcconnell tries to do to me what he did to barack obama, year after year of just blocking everything, then i say it's time to get rid of the filibuster. if we want to make real change in this country, you can't cling
to the filibuster. the filibuster is what gives the giant corporations, everybody who loves this complicated tax thing, that gives them all the breaks, that's what gives them a veto. it's true everywhere. we keep that filibuster and all our fight against climate change is going to have a veto by the oil industry. we keep that filibuster and the gun industry will have a veto on real changes on gun violence. for me, this is about getting things done. if mitch mcconnell tries to block doing the people's business, then we filibuster and do what needs to be done. >> i was at one of your campaign events this weekend. some people were shopping and two of the people i talked to were trying to decide between senator sanders and yourself. what would you tell them? what is your biggest policy
difference with bernie sanders? >> look, you know i don't like to knock other candidates, because the number one thing we have to do is come together as a party and beat donald trump. that's what i think i am best positioned to do. we don't need a repeat of 2016 where this is democrat against democrat. i run or core democratic values. this is what i've been out there doing all my life is fighting for hard working families. it's about doing this in a market where we get these markets to work for people. the consumer financial protection bureau that i fought to get passed into law and that i spent a year standing up for president obama was all about taking a market that was cheating people and leveling it out so that people have a chance to get mortgages and credit cards without getting ripped off. that's how markets should work.
markets without rules are theft. markets with rules can work for people. there's some areas where markets aren't going to work. they're not going to work in education. they don't work in health care. but basic financial markets, we need those markets to work and we need them to work for our families. not just to be lawless markets that rip people off. that's what i fight for. >> senator, you have joined us several times throughout the campaign. i want to thank you for that. i want to give you the last 90 seconds we have here to just make your closing statement to the voters of new hampshire. >> so, we gotta beat donald trump. and the best way we're going to do that is to pull our party together. how do we do that? we do it by running encore democratic values. ones that every democrat can stand for and fight for. we also do it by acknowledging what's broken in this country, what hasn't worked for a very, very long time.
we have had a government that works great for the rich and the powerful. it's just not working for anyone else. if we're going to be an america where the only way you make it forward is you be a billionaire or you gotta suck up to the billionaires or you gotta be supported by super pacs that are financed by billionaires, then buckle up, because we're going to have a country that works better for them. i think we have this unique possibility in 2020 to build an america that doesn't just work for a handful of folks born into privilege but an america that works for everyone. we do that, grass-roots financing, grass-roots organizing, grass-roots democracy. if you think that's the right way to do it, go to elizabet elizabethwarren.com. do an hour of telephoning. get in this fight. because this moment in history will not come our way again. this is our moment.
to dream big, fight hard and win. >> senator elizabeth warren, thank you very much for joining us. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. it's good to be here. after we squeeze in a quick break, we will be back. they have been running around new hampshire nonstop. now they will stop and they will think and they will share their wisdom about the new hampshire primary and amy klobuchar will join us later in this hour. [crackling fire] [wood rolling] alexios, add toilet paper to the shopping list. [chiseling on stone] oh, and camel milk. and a chicken. and moisturizer.
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>> so, i will always, of course, try, in good faith to work across the aisle. but when good faith is lacking, as it has been lately in the united states senate gop, that's when the airplane comes in. there's that big blue and white airplane that comes with the oval office. i think the highest and best use of that big airplane is to fly it right into the backyard of a senator who is getting in the way and remind them that they are not only defying my white house, they are defying their own voters and let their voters have a say on what ought to be done. that's how we're going to get these things through. [ applause ] >> joining our discussion, john hielman. the co-host of showtime's the circus. joy reed is with us. and james spindle. joy, the reason i played that is that it is -- every candidate has a version of that.
if mitch mcconnell is still majority leader, i will fly air force one to kentucky, which donald trump won by 30 points, and i will scare mitch mcconnell with a speech in kentucky. i wonder why that hasn't worked yet. >> you know, i think it is the right answer that a consultant might give you to say. but it is not the answer to the question. it wouldn't work. i disagree that they all say it. i think elizabeth warren lass said something different which is i will do whatever i can to pass it and do it by executive order. she understands how the senate works. i think having that experience in washington, this is where it helps. >> that's true. when i have put it to elizabeth warren as i almost -- i sort of did and didn't just then. in the past i put it to her. she relies on executive order. they all -- they are all kind of pretending that they can get through tax bills and they can get through legislation that no
one knows the path through congress. >> there's only one way is to beat mitch mcconnell. it's all made up without being able to real -- the real answer is i will build such a broad coalition that we will take back the senate. that's the answer. that's the only answer. in a world where mitch mcconnell is majority leader, all the rest are made up answers. >> or minority leader. >> that's what i mean. democrats get -- >> that's bernie's answer. if i win the presidency, it's a giant movement. a lot would come with me. still getting to the threshold of votes you need in the senate is hard to see. >> it's mike bloomberg's argument as well. i'm going to help fund senate campaigns. they will take over the senate. to take it to another level, what is amazing about elizabeth warren's campaign and how it dropped in the fall and dropped when she got specific on how she would pay for medicare for all, how it would start in year three, is -- i know this is a
horrible analogy. it reminded me of trump. let me tell you why. it didn't matter that trump was going to say mexico paid for it, because he wasn't going to get a wall. right now, medicare for all is not going to pass. who cares how you pay for it? sanders is getting a slide on it. he hasn't announced how he will pay for it. we get to mitch mcconnell and the wealth tax, these are the arguments democrats should have. let's remember the reality here, which is where do you stand, who do you like? if we are making a decision in two hours in dixville knox, then what is the argument as to how you beat jutrump? >> people demanded to know it of warren. >> i think that's because elizabeth warren popped up in the polls that people took the possibility of a warren presidency very seriously at a time when they were not considering the possibility of a
sanders presidency. i think that's why she got that burden. >> he is up there and no one is asking him that. >> he has been running for five difference on that. >> the way the question was put, will you say you won't raise taxes. bernie said, i will raise questions. he said, i'm going to raise taxes on the middle class which makes everybody say, wow, that's a politically risky thing to say. he has an argument for why it will pay for itself. he is willing to cross that. she was for a long time saying, i'm not -- i won't say what i will or won't do. she wouldn't answer the question. part of her problem was she neither said no, i won't, nor does she say yes, i will. she said, i'm not going to talk about it. >> saying you will raise taxes on the middle class is usually a killer. >> not for bernie. >> bernie and buttigieg have
said the least, which is the best way to run for president. >> you want to be vague, new and have almost no record. there's not a lot to attack. if you have a long record, there's more research on you. the model of a buttigieg is the model that tends to work. you come in with less baggage. >> and bernie. the brandi ining matters more t the policy. >> stay with us. the panel will stay with us and come back. when we come back, presidential candidate senator amy klobuchar will join us. she will join us next after the final tracking poll shows senator klobuchar moving up sharply in the polls here in new hampshire. after friday night's debate. any comments doug?
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boston globe" tracking poll shows amy klobuchar getting a boost in the polls from friday night's debates, which included memorable moments like this. >> what you said, pete, as you were campaigning through iowa and three of us were jurors in the impeachment hearing, you said it was exhausting to watch and that you wanted to turn the channel and watch cartoons. it is easy to go after washington because that's a popular thing to do. it's much harder, as i see the senator in the front row, such a leader, it's harder to lead and much harder to take those difficult positions because i think this going after every single thing that people do because it's popular to say and makes you look like a cool newcomer, i don't think that's what people want right now. we have a newcomer in the white house. look where it got us. i think having some experience is a good thing. >> joining us now for her last
word on this program with new hampshire voters, minnesota senior senator amy klobuchar, candidate for president of the united states. it's been a long road to new hampshire. >> it has. >> thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks. >> when you are running against an incumbent president as i said to senator warren, the incumbent president frequently sets a campaign agenda by actions taken as president. in addition to the budget cuts to medicare, medicaid which we discussed, the president now has his attorney general working with rudy giuliani in some unspecified way. there's some portal that the attorney general has opened up for rudy ghoiuliani to bring wh about the justice department about what. will you be able to investigate that on the committee? >> i would like to. of course, right now it is in the chairmanship of the republicans that
change as president. it must be investigated. the president didn't hire rudy giuliani to do estate planning. he hired him to basically be his henchman. there are official channels, when we have a government investigation, and that is the justice department, and that is our intelligence agencies. and all of them have uniformly said that it is russia invaded our election, it's not ukraine. the president an own intelligence heads have made that clear. why the attorney general of the united states would be taking information by someone like rudy giuliani who has been so discredited is beyond me. as you can see, this is why we have this hearing. our fear was that it would continue. >> as president, would you expect your attorney general in january to ask the inspector general of the justice department to investigate william barr's activities with rudy giuliani. >> we have to look back to make
sure that everything is not affecting us going now. i have no idea what investigation i would launch only because i think that is up to an attorney general. i think a president shouldn't be involving herself in the details of that. that's one of the problems that's been going on with this administration. the main goal for me is to pass democracy reform. the first bill that i want to get done as president is basically hr-1. that's measures that make it easier to vote. many of those bills are mine. then also, making sure that we have secure elections. a foreign government can't interfere in our election. you would be surprised at how many people bring up things like constitutional amendment to overturn citizens united here in new hampshire. not to bring it up to new hampshire. but it is -- it's something on people's minds. we cannot have a democracy of if people are left out. we cannot have a democracy if a foreign government is invading it. >> the president's budget
announces cuts in medicare, in medicaid, in the affordable care act. he is in court trying to completely eliminate the affordable care act. we know with this president, this won't last a week. in congress when the other party's president sends up a budget, the opposition party says it's dead on arrival. donald trump will say his own budget is dead on arrival. within 48 hours, he will say no medicaid cuts, no medicare cuts. how do you run against a guy who on monday proposes medicare and medicaid cuts and then disowns them tuesday or wednesday as i am betting he will? >> you run on reality. that's how i closed that debate friday night. he is boasting about things with the economy and going down to mar-a-lago and telling his friends you got a lot richer. there are people in new hampshire and around the country that aren't feeling that prosperity. they are struggling to pay for their childcare.
they are struggling to fill their insulin prescription. there are major problems right now for a lot of people. that's why i figured out after sitting through that impeachment hearing and watching the bravery of some of my colleagues like mitt romney and doug jones that what this president lack is empathy. that's why i came up with ending my debate with the story of fdr that when he died, they put his body in the train and the regular guys by the tracks and the reporter says, sir, did you know the president? he says, no, i didn't know the president. but the president knew me. he knew me. and i am committed to restoring that sacred trust between the president and the people of this country. you do that by basically looking at the people. i have seen them in these crowds that we have seen now since the debate growing and growing and growing. every time i say this, i look at
them and someone nods their head. i say, you know, if you are struggling to pay for your long-term care with this president -- made it harder with this budget. if you are struggling to pay for long-term care for your parent and at the same time childcare for your kids, i know you. i will fight for you. if you are struggling to decide if you are going to fill a prescription or fill your refrigerator with food, i know you. and i will fight for you. if you are struggling to decide how you will make that paycheck go to pay the rent or mortgage, i know you and i will fight for you. that's what's missing with this president. people, whether they are democrats or independents, which come in spades here in the great state of new hampshire, or moderate republicans, they are showing up because they know that what unites our country is bigger than what divides us. the heart of america is bigger than the heart of this guy in the white house. >> question on taxes. there are others that are
advocating a bigger tax package that you are advocating. if you are president and some of the elements -- some of the proposals got through to your desk that nancy pelosi got them through the house and through the senate, would you veto any of the tax proposals you have heard from the other candidates if it made it to the president's desk? >> i'm open to looking at the proposals. i want to make sure we have a reality check here. the difference between a plan and a pipe dream, as you were discussing on the show, is it something you can pay for and you can get done. i have enumerated changes to the tax code. bringing the capital gains rate closer at the personal tax rate, still having some incentive for long-term investment. that gives us $500 billion to help people to pay for college. taking that estate tax exemption and putting it where it was under president obama from $11 million to $3.5 million. that gives us money to pay teachers what they deserve and to up our investment in
education. i literally -- hedge fund loophole, $18 billion. you have the oil giveaways, $30 billion. you have the trump tax cuts that he is trying to extend into law. the corporate tax cut alone, if you go up a few point, $400 billion that we could spend on infrastructure for things like rail to southern new hampshire, things like broadband. it's insane it's easier to get a cell call or high-speed broadband in iceland than new hampshire. every crowd busts out clapping because they know what i'm talking about. i think there's fundamental economic checks that we can get done. i am open to all kinds of changes to our tax code. i want to make sure that the things i propose are paid for by sensible changes that we can actually make. >> it's been a long road to this night before the voting in new
hampshire. it's less than an hour and a half before dixville notch. >> i don't know what's going to happen there. >> dixville notch is voting in less than an hour and a half. >> my husband wanted to go there. >> i want to give you a final moment to make your closing argument to new hampshire voters. >> this is a state that believes in decency. this is a state that believes that what unites us is bigger than what divides us. my pitch to new hampshire is if you are tired of the extremes and the noise and nonsense, you have a home with me. if you believe it is time to not just eek by a victory at 4:00 in the morning but win big and bring with us the people we need to build this coalition of a fired up democratic base and independents and moderate republicans, then vote for me. i have a track record of winning in those hard rural districts, in those suburban districts. i have a track record of getting things done. that's why every major newspaper
in this state has endorsed me as well as "the new york times." in the end, this is really about where your heart is. i don't have the biggest bank account. i don't have the most name i.d. what i have is this. i've got heart. and i'm someone that's resilient. and i know you. and i will fight for you. >> senator klobuchar, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> are you going to be up at dawn? >> i will be up at the polls shaking hands. i have gone to dunkin' donuts. there's plenty of days and hours left for me. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. whether n we come back, goos for democratic candidates in one on one polling against donald trump. i like liberty mutual.
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mike bloomberg is ahead of donald trump by nine at 51 to 42. sanders leads by trump 51 to 43. joe biden, 50 to 43. klobuchar is ahead of trump by six points at 49 to 43. elizabeth warren is ahead at 48 to 44. and pete buttigieg is ahead at 47 to 43. joy, those polls are what the democrats are hoping for. let me go to a 4-year-old reference point. four points is not enough. let's look at hillary clinton. this is in june of 2016. clinton, 45, trump, 41. we can get that on the screen. she had a three-point lead at the time. at the same time, sanders, by the way, was 11 points ahead of trump. 48 to 39.
hillary clinton's three points ahead of trump, which is comparable to warren and buttigieg, turned out to not be enough. >> polls don't matter. what matters is turnout. it matters -- i think a lot of types -- this is true of the clinton campaign to some extent. people will rely on the data and not on the work of getting to the homes and getting them to vote. she got 88% with african-american voters. there was meek turnout in detroit, milwaukee, philly. your job as a candidate is to get those people out of their homes and churches and into the polls -- i mean to vote not what the polls are. >> let's look at this. it's a national poll. bernie sanders in the lead at 25%. joe biden at 17%. mike bloomberg, 15%. elizabeth warren, 14% and pete buttigieg 10% and klobuchar 4%. what do numbers like that mean
for candidates when they leave new hampshire? >> mikeproven you can spend $250 million on television and buy yourself at least 15%. he is now in a tie with joe biden for second at the national level. we know national doesn't matter. what matters is the states. it's telling you mike bloomberg is moving numbers. in this poll, we also see the move extraordinary thing, which is that mike bloomberg has the support of 22% of african-americans, which puts him five points below joe biden who his premise of his campaign, hanging by a thread here in new hampshire, is that he will go to south carolina and have an african-american firewall has always been my view. that african-american vote is not static. it's movable. it's changeable. african-americans are incredibly sophisticated. are viewing this election through theophisticated
lens of anybody. they are watching. it's not determining what their vote will be but they are watching it play out. they see the candidates perform. they see ads. they see ads by steyer and mike bloomberg. the fact that joe biden has a challenger on the national level and all of these moderate candidates, every one of them -- the ones in the pro bres receg e lane, saying bloomberg will mess with people's heads where you get to the diverse states. bloomberg is performing at that level with african-americans, it's going to go up, at least until we see him on stage. >> it's a game changing thing if bloomberg gets a quarter of the african-american vote. >> get joy in here on this. bloomberg at 22% with the african-american vote. biden at the top at 27%. sanders at 19%. the next one down is way down from there. it's elizabeth warren at 8%. that's with mike bloomberg 15%
overall in the poll nationally. clearly, a big piece of his support is coming from black voters. >> i can tell you that i was in nashville, tennessee, not too long ago, i was in upstate new york talking with black voters. one of the voters and one of the consistent things i'm seeing is people saying, i'm considering bloomberg. i've talked to people who were warren voter, who were black women, the most consistent voter in the democratic party are black women. i'm meeting a lot of people who are considering bloomberg. i would challenge one thing that john said. the voters i've talked to are not paying any attention, with all due respect to what white voters are doing here unless white voters surprised them. the reason they paid attention to it in '08, is because white voters surprised them by picking the black candidate. >> they're watching the races play out and looking at the candidates and learning things about the candidates. that's all i meant. >> absolutely. but winning here doesn't necessarily catapult any of these guys because these are
white candidates. they're not saying it's a surprise. the one thing i will say is the challenge with bloomberg long-term is this is mike bloomberg in the abstract. the idea that he's got 100 billions is what people are saying to me, he could beat trump with $100 billion. i just got sent today this -- that's how we throw them up against the wall to stop and frisk. there's been no oppo on him yet. black voters know him in the abstract as the rich guy who can take trump down. long-term there's going to be a lot of questions he has to answer. >> we'll be right back with more from our new hampshire msnbc election headquarters. if you're 55 and up, t-mobile has a plan designed just for you. and, for a limited time only, we're making it an even better deal. now you can get two lines for only $55. that includes unlimited talk, text and data.
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hampshire. in the past four democratic presidential primaries in new hampshire, dover has voted for the winner of the new hampshire primary. and beyond that, the amazing thing is the order of finish for the four top candidates in dover has also turned out to be the exact order of finish for the top four candidates statewide in the new hampshire primary. so pay attention tomorrow night when steve kornacki is reporting the results from dover, new hampshire. our panel is back with us. "the boston globe's" james pindell, joy reid, john heilemann. james, where are you going to be watching tomorrow night? >> i'll be watching a lot with nbc. we'll be watching exactly -- watching dover. i'm also watching the first results will probably be coming from manchester, which will be critical particularly to get a sense of bernie sanders is going to once again create a broader coalition beyond his base. so ward one in manchester, the northern part, it's more fluent, but a heavy mix here.
it's establishment democrats. if you can get some of them, that's where it's at. another place to watch is he really ran up the score in keen, which is where he finished his campaign tonight. cheshire county he got 70% of the vote against hillary clinton. then one other place which is kind of really interesting on this pete buttigieg versus sanders and elizabeth warren is the upper valley, which is what we know as dartmouth college, lebanon, hanover. it is right on the vermont border. a lot of people who work at d t dartmouth live in vermont. it's also highly educated, which is where exactly warren and buttigieg have been directly competing and some campaigns have been closing out their campaign there as well. those are the areas i'd be watching. >> joy, four years ago bernie sanders won 60% of the vote in new hampshire. >> yeah. >> tomorrow night he's going to be lucky if he gets half that. kind of the untold story of the senator's candidacy is that he has lost half of his support in
new hampshire. he's lost half of his support in polls nationwide. he had 49% nationwide last time when he ran against hillary clinton, and he has about half that now. >> yeah. the problem for sanders is that he has not shown proof of concept that he can create a revolution that grows this enormous base of young people. it didn't happen in iowa. if he doesn't do it in new hampshire and grow his base, then he's not proven that he can bring a revolutionary wave of young people to the polls. that's going to be a problem. >> what are you looking for tomorrow night, john? >> i'm super interested in seeing what happens with in that three, four, five, down -- >> the warren, biden -- >> and klobuchar. that's the story. >> joe biden, the trajectory downward has been severe. amy klobuchar seems like -- there's data, seems to be on the way up. is it possible amy klobuchar could finish in third and joe biden could finish in fifth? that would be an earthquake in the moderate lane if that were
to happen. if seems like we're on a track on the basis of everything we know for sanders to win and for buttigieg to be in second. but the rest of that i could imagine any one of those orders. and, you know, if the biden campaign somehow comes in third, they will feel like lazarus here at this point. so i'm watching it real carefully because, you know, that's a dog fight. >> we kind of know what's going to happen at the top level of this. it's who the survivor -- >> if the data is accurate, we know. >> james, the question is going to be who's the survivor in the middle? >> yeah. and overlooked on this is pete buttigieg and maybe even bernie sanders. he'll get the headline. ema he'll get his speech if he does win. buttigieg is sort of there. he's like wallpaper at this point. who's third place is maybe possible lip as big as a story we're going to have compared to first place. and that one, i don't know when we're going to call that one. it won't take a week. >> thank you all very much for joining us on this important night. at midnight, voters in new hampshire will begin casting the
very first votes in tomorrow's new hampshire primary. brian williams will bring you live coverage of those midnight votes. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight on the eve of the new hampshire primary, donald trump quite literally goes to town to upstage the democrats and continues his streak of retribution against those who supported his impeachment. plus lindsey graham says rudy is funneling ukrainian political dirt on biden back home to the justice department while it may be in keeping with rudy's role as an unappointed civilian crime fighter, what's the attorney general going to do about that? meanwhile, we're just an hour away from knowing the first actual votes in the first in the nation primary, which could decide a number of political fortunes. and is it possible someone not in new hampshire is the big mover in this race as of now? all of it as "the 11th hour"