tv The Last Word With Lawrence O Donnell MSNBC February 5, 2020 10:00pm-11:00pm PST
it's nice to be back in our usual bat time at our usual bat desk. it's been a while. that does it for me tonight. i'll see you again tomorrow. right now you are required to stay exactly where you are because the last word with lawrence o'donnell starting right now, it's like ten shows in one tonight. good evening, lawrence. i am intimidated by your lineup tonight. >> we have a senate quorum tonight, rachel. >> you do. >> we have three. we have of course two presidential candidates, senator elizabeth warren, senator amy klobuchar. and senator doug jones of alabama who cast two guilty votes today in the senate and he is certainly among the profiles in courage in the senate today. >> absolutely. and you've got -- you should try to get something passed in terms of legislation while you have them tonight. >> we could get something going. in your interview with adam
schiff, i believe he made news when he revealed, i never heard this before, i heard him say after the vote against witnesses in the senate trial, he sent a request to john bolton's attorney for him to just submit a written affidavit and john bolton refused to do it. so john bolton shut them out as a witness in more ways than one. >> chairmanship is not commenting on the remarks today by jerry nadler in which nadler said it is likely that he's going to subpoena bolt ton to come appear in the house. schiff is not commenting on whether or not that's going to happen or whether bolton -- whether they have any reason to believe bolton would respond to that. you remember bolton said no to a house subpoena before even when he was saying yes to a senate one. i mean, this is very much up in the air in terms of the amount of new information we're likely to get and potential witness testimony we're still going to get even after the senate acquittal. >> rachel, i was so glad when you showed that video before
adam schiff came on of adam schiff's closing argument to the united states senate. >> yeah. >> where more than once he talked about the power of one vote, of one vote in the senate. and there were moments when he was doing that, i remember watching it, where he turned and looked directly up to mitt romney's spot in the senate. he definitely was heard by mitt romney. >> yeah, and that powerful idea that in matters of conscience that one person's vote is a majority, that because that is what it takes to show moral courage and to show essentially the right the right way to do something. and one person doing that is a majority in a sense that it's all you need to demonstrate moral righteousness. it is very powerful, almost spiritual argument. >> it really was. rachel, thanks very much. >> thanks, lawrence. >> we're going to use the word courage tonight. it's a word that doesn't come up much on this program because this hour is mostly devoted to politics and government.
as it will be tonight. and so when we talk about courage tonight, we'll be talking about political courage. we're not talking about the kind of courage it takes to go into military combat or to go into a coal mine. we're not talking about sully sullenberger courage. we're talking about that very, very low grade of courage that we very rarely see in politicians. and it is precisely because we see it so rarely that we will spend some time tonight honoring political courage. if we don't honor political courage when we see it, then we will see less of it. much less. because i worked on the democratic staff of the united states senate several years, i still have the senate staff reaction on days like today, and i know that i was joined by hundreds, maybe even thousands of senate staffers who were watching on their televisions in their offices, in the three
senate office buildings when mitt romney became the first senator in history today to vote against a president of his own party in a senate impeachment trial verdict. i jumped out of my chair, and for the first time in my life, i cheered mitt romney. >> mr. romney. >> guilty. >> mr. romney, guilty. >> that was political courage. historic political courage. we will have much more to say about mitt romney throughout this hour. but what mitt romney did was not the most courageous thing that happened on the senate floor today. mitt romney won 62% of the vote in utah and is not up for reelection until 2024 when this vote, and possibly even donald trump, will be long forgotten. voting against your party is not the only form of political courage. in fact, when i was working in
the senate, that didn't take any courage at all. senators from both parties in the 1990s routinely voted against their parties, and no one thought that that was courageous then. but casting a vote in the senate that makes your own reelection more difficult has always been the most politically courageous thing a senator can do. doug jones did that today. doug jones won his senate seat in alabama with 49.97% of the vote in a special election in 2017. he was the first democrat to win a senate seat in alabama since 1992, when richard shelby won reelection as a democrat. but richard shelby found life as a democrat in alabama so impossible that he changed parties two years later. and is still sitting in the senate as a republican senator who voted not guilty today after doug jones voted guilty. guilty on both articles of
impeachment. life was hard enough for a democratic senator from alabama when doug jones woke up this morning, and when he rose to speak in the senate today, doug jones made his reelection in alabama this year all the more difficult. >> candidly to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, i fear that moral courage, country before party, is a rare commodity these days. we can write about it and talk about it in speeches and in the media, but it is harder to put into action when political careers may be on the line. >> doug jones put his political career on the line today, standing at the desk that was used by the young massachusetts senator john f. kennedy before he became president of the united states, doug jones put his political career on the line today because, in his words, it is simply a matter of right and wrong.
>> the evidence clearly proves that the president used the weight of his office and the weight of the united states government to seek to coerce a foreign government to interfere in our election for his personal political benefit. his actions were more than simply inappropriate. they were an abuse of power. i believe that the president deliberately and unconstitutionally obstructed congress by refusing to cooperate with the investigation in any way. the president's actions demonstrate a belief that he is above the law. accordingly i will vote to convict the president on both articles of impeachment. i am mindful, mr. president, that i am standing at a desk that once was used by john f. kennedy who famously wrote profiles in courage, and there will be so many who will simply look at what i'm doing today and say it is a profile in courage. it is not. it is simply a matter of right
and wrong. doing right is not a courageous act. it is simply following your oath. >> leading off our discussion tonight is democratic senator doug jones of alabama for his first interview since casting his verdict votes this afternoon. senator jones, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate having you here on this historic night. >> it's my pleasure, lawrence. glad to be here. thank you. >> i want to start with something mitt romney said because i want to ask you about something similar that shaped your thinking. let's listen to what mitt romney said was going through his mind about the importance of this vote and what he will tell his children. >> i will tell my children, their children that i did my duty to the best of my ability, believing that my country expected it of me. >> senator jones, you talked about your father. we heard mitt romney talk about his children. you began by talking about your father and what this kind of
vote would mean to him and how your father would approach a decision like this. >> i did. you know, i lost my dad just about a month ago, and he stays with me so much throughout this entire process. and his principles were of right and wrong. his principles -- he was a strong man, and he really was a patriot and he put his country above just about anything else. and at the end of the day, that's what we should all do. that's what the oath of office as a u.s. senator is. it's what our oath of office to do impartial justice is. i thought about him. i thought about my kids. i thought about my grand kids and what i would want them to see and say about their father and their grandfather down the road when history is going to be our judge. and i really believe that those of us who voted the way we did today to convict the president will ultimately be judged on the right side of history. >> and, senator, i can tell you, having worked in the senate for years, i can count on just a couple of fingers how many times i have seen a united states
senator put his or her career on the line with a senate vote. you did that today. how much of the weight of that did you feel in doing that? >> you know, lawrence, i know this is going to come as a surprise for folks because i think so many people, especially in the media when the polarized atmosphere we have today, everything is seen through some kind of political partisan lens. but that really did not enter my thinking in this. i really looked at the weight of this was on my shoulders as a constitutional perspective. this is the most sacred right that we have, the right to vote, to make sure that the will of the people stay intact, and to try to remove a president of the united states, to consider that and ultimately have to cast a vote one way or another, that's the weight i felt. it really wasn't a political weight. it was purely the weight of the constitution, what the founding fathers said, and what i believe it to be the future. i wanted my vote to be a message for future presidents and for
future congresses as to where we need to be as a people and what we need to be looking for in the next president of the united states, and this president of the united states. >> 62% of your state voted for donald trump. when you go back home, most of the people you will run into will be trump voters. what are you going to tell them about this vote today? >> well, if they want to talk about this i'm happy to talk about it. i'm going to do some things later in the week at my law school that will try to explain my vote. i'll go through it as a lawyer and talk to them about how i came to this conclusion, the weight of history looking at the presidents. and i'll talk about it in a political term. but at the end of the day, people in alabama want somebody who they believe is sincere. they're not going to agree with everything i do. there's a lot of people in the state that are not going to agree with this, but i've got to tell you, lawrence, there's going to be a lot of people that did. there's a lot of people in the state of alabama who are not happy with the way things are and they're not happy with this particular president.
and so i will be able to do -- everything i've done in the senate in the tough votes that we've had, i've always told the staff, you know, we're going to look at this. we're going to do what we think is the right way and the right thing to do so that when i go back, i will be able to justify my decision. whether somebody agrees with it or not, that's one thing. but i can at least go back and talk to them and have a discussion about it and then try to find the common ground on things that we can agree in and move forward. >> a majority of the voters of alabama, as i said, voted for donald trump for president, but a majority of voters of alabama voted for mitt romney for president also. i imagine you will be quoting senator romney to some of those people when you're explaining your vote. >> well, that's a great point. and i appreciate you making that point because i think people are going to be looking at our votes as votes of conscience. you know, people in alabama are people of faith, people of alabama are people of conviction, and they like people that have a conscience to do what they believe is the right thing, even if they don't always
agree with it. that's why i believe this is going to be a position for us in the coming election where people know who i am and i'm not just an ideologue. those that disagree and those that disagree with me, they'll see mitt romney for what he was in 2012, a man of conscience, and he was in 2012. and he is today. and i think they will see him that way and they will see me that way. and i think that that is a good sign for us going forward in this election. >> the honorable doug jones, senator -- democratic senator from alabama. a real honor to have you join us tonight, senator jones. really appreciate it. >> my pleasure, lawrence. any time. thank you so much. >> thank you. continuing our discussion now, john heilman, national affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc, coe host of show times the circus, editor in chief of the recount. investor wendy sure man, she has an msnbc global affairs contributor. john, i just want to start with
you on the mitt romney element of this. it seems to me that doug jones cast the most difficult vote of the day politically for anyone. it also wasn't easy for joe manchin of west virginia, a majority of trump state and some other democrats. but doug jones is up this year. and one thing i wonder about is how much political cover do you think he got from mitt romney today when he has to explain this vote in alabama? >> uh, probably not much, lawrence, in the sense that, you know, the single republican who decides to defy the president, defy the rest of his party, probably doesn't help doug jones all that much with voters who are kind of on the fence, voters in alabama who might like donald trump, but might consider casting a vote for a democrat. they are likely to see this vote, any vote, whether it's mitt romney's vote or doug jones's vote as intense betrayal. i think you're right.
your analysis is on the money. it's the case that senator jones is the one who is taking the most politically difficult vote. mitt romney, though, has taken the most personally difficult vote. we know in tribal times, lawrence, you are risking your job if you are a democrat in alabama who is voting this way. what you are if you're mitt romney is a guy who has been a republican his entire life and who is surrounded by republicans, was the nominee of the party, standard bearer of the party, friends republican, family republican, everyone he spends time with is republican. to make this vote and realize you're going to be subject to not just political abuse by the president which has started and the president's family which is starting now, but that all of your colleagues and all of your fellow republican friends are going to at least disagree with you and in many cases personally and otherwise hurl invective at you sometimes out loud and sometimes quietly behind your back. it's not a pleasant place to be. mitt romney on a personal level is the one who is going to have
to deal with the hardest consequence of this in thinks own life. >> wendy sherman, you worked in the house for a period of time, and we both know you can watch the house or the senate for years at a time and not see what you saw today. not see someone actually put his or her career on the line in a vote like this. >> it was really quite extraordinary. and just listening to senator jones was moving right now. as you say, he is in the most politically tenuous situation. it made me think back, one, that john f. kennedy's book "profiles in courage" was thin, not a big book. i wrote my own book, the faint in heart, you can't get anything done without courage. it always comes with a cost. george romney, mitt romney's father paid a cost for advocacy for civil rights. she paid a great cost for standing up to mccarthy in the 1950s. congresswoman barbara lee in the house was the only member of the house to vote against the 2001
authorization for military force in iraq because she believed it was a blank check for president bush. and she has proved to be right. so history is sometimes kinder to people than what they have to live through in the time in which they take these very difficult stances. >> yes, senator wayne morris was the only vote in the united states senate against the tongan revolution in the vietnam war. he lost his next reelection campaign, and so -- and i'm not sure that doug jones wasn't -- i'm sure he was, john, completely conscious of what he was putting on the line today. he's one of those senators who is able to imagine life without a united states senate seat if it comes to that. and the ones who cannot imagine life without a united states senate seat, like lindsey graham, become willing to do absolutely anything to hold onto it. >> anything. right. and they are the ones that we most look down on.
not just history looks down ton them, but in their current moment people look down on those who are that craven, lawrence, who lack that kind of imagination that you're talking about. i think the other kind of imagination that doug jones has the ability to imagine in the first instance, a life outside the senate. he's new to the body. he was an unexpected addition to the body. he's not been there very long. probably didn't expect to get in there in the first place. if it hadn't been for a few lucky breaks in his election in that race with roy moore, he probably would not have ended up where he is. that makes it a little easier for him to imagine what it is to imagine what it's like to not have a senate seat than those who have been there for decades. he can imagine voters in that place, in alabama, who have or who are very conservative democrats if they're democrats at all, many of them republicans. he can imagine that they would value something that goes beyond tribalism, beyond party loyalty. he can imagine that they could
value his independence and his courage. he hopes that he will be rewarded for that, and i have to say whether you're a democrat or republican or wherever you stand on the impeachment question, i think it would be helpful, we should all hope for that. we should all hope for circumstances in which politicians are able to imagine lives outside the body they're in, and able to imagine voters who will reward them for courage and their convictions and have those people be rewarded for that and be paid off for it, again, no matter where you stand. >> there are -- it is very hard to be convinced by politicians invoking a god in their speeches at different times. but mitt romney today, when he invoked god when it came to his oath and the way he swore his oath, was a very compelling part of what he had to say. let's take a look at that. >> i am profoundly religious. my faith is at the heart of who i am.
i take an oath before god as enormously consequential. i knew from the outset that being tasked with judging the president, the leader of my own party, would be the most difficult decision i have ever faced. i was not wrong. >> wendy. >> there's no question that his authenticity about his faith comes through. so does senator jones. and i think that authenticity, and as john said, the understanding that you have a life after politics -- i ran barbara mccull ski's campaign for the senate. she's one of the most authentic politicians there is. she always went home to baltimore. she knew she could go home again. she has now. there is life after politics. those are the ones with courage. >> we're going to get a break in here. wendy sherman, john heilman, thank you for starting us off tonight. when we come back we will be joined by two democratic
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for months you've heard legal scholars and others try to define high crimes and misdemeanors. mitt romney offered his interpretation of high crimes and misdemeanors today and he included what the constitution expected senators to include in their judgment of impeachable offenses, and that was what mitt romney called his own reasoned judgment. >> the historic meaning of the words high crimes and misdemeanors, the writings of the founders and my own reasoned judgment convinced me that a president can indeed commit acts against the public trust that are so egregious that while they're not statutory crimes,
they would demand removal from office. >> we are joined now by one of the senators who voted guilty on both articles of impeachment, senator amy klobuchar is now a candidate for president and joins us tonight from the campaign trail. senator klobuchar, thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. >> senator, i want to begin by taking a look at those moments today on the senate floor when you twice rose from your seat and pronounced donald trump guilty, let's just take a look at that now. >> miss klobuchar. >> guilty. >> miss klobuchar guilty. >> miss klobuchar? >> guilty. >> guilty. >> what was that like to stand up there and say that word? >> a sense of conviction, um, a feeling like, uh, nothing else mattered at that moment. a feeling of tremendous respect for my colleagues.
it was hard, actually, to not cry as you sat there and thought about doug jones and i'm so glad that you shared his thoughts and had him on the show today. and, by the way, that courage he had there with that vote, think about what he did when he went after the ku klux klan members that, um, participated in that bombing that killed those little girls in that church years and years later. that's his core. and to see mitt romney and think about what motivated him and his faith and what he was doing, that to me, it wasn't just what i was doing and knowing it was the right thing and being sad that so many of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle that i know know better didn't rise to do the same thing. but then knowing that one man, as you said earlier in the show, is a majority, that mitt romney was willing to do that, for me it was something that i've never actually seen since i've been in
the senate. >> yeah. the part that we opened up with here where mitt romney said that when he was working on evaluating high crimes and misdemeanors, he used what he called "my own reasoned judgment." and that really struck me because that is the part that all the scholars who were coming on all these shows could not supply. they could give you their reading of what they think the framers meant when they used this phrase, but the constitution specifically leaves it to you individually, every one of you, to use your own reasoning, your own judgment about what is a convictable and removable offense. i was very glad to hear senator romney specify that. >> exactly. >> in the way he thought about this. >> um-hmm, because that's what we take an oath to do. it's not to serve at the pleasure of the president. it's to use our own reasoned judgment to decide if someone is guilty or not guilty in an
impeachment proceeding. and that's what mitt romney was willing to do and not just kowtow to this president. that's why it was such an act of courage on his part and on doug jones's part. for me as i sat there, of course, given what i'm doing right now, the journey that i am on, i have argued from the beginning that this election is a decency check, that it is a patriotism check on this president. and i am hopeful that mitt romney's act today will give some of those independents, moderate republicans a little more leeway, a little more of an opening to do the right thing as well in the general election. and even as we head into the primaries away from the caucuses that tend to be more focused on our base, into this primary in new hampshire which has a strong group of independent voters. i just think that if we're going to win this and win big and send mitch mcconnell packing and get
all these things done that we need to get done on climate change and immigration reform and doing something about affordable school and pharmaceutical prices, we have got to win big. and that means not shutting people out, and bringing with us, which has been my argument from the beginning, moderate republicans and independents. and mitt romney's vote, which was one of conscience for him, but it was more than that. i hope, given he was the former republican nominee for president, it's just going to open that crack wider so people can come with us. >> senator klobuchar, you mentioned the hope of sending mitch mcconnell packing. he's up for reelection in kentucky. he might get beaten there. but if he goes back to the senate and if he goes back to the senate as the majority leader, there's been a lot of talk about unrealistic things that democratic candidates are proposing that wouldn't be able to get through congress. but isn't it true that there
isn't a single thing that any democratic candidate for president is proposing that could get through mitch mcconnell asthma jort leader of the mcconnell as majority leader of the senate? >> he a plan in a pipe dream can actually get done. i have put together 137 things, lawrence, that a president can do herself in the first 100 days without congress that are legal. so i think if you're going to build that sacred trust between a president and people, you have to get started right away. obviously with mitch mcconnell there, it makes it so much harder to do, but there are things and i think we're going to win the senate, i do. and i look at some of my colleagues and how these races are going in places like arizona and in colorado, everything that just happened is all tied in with those races as well. i think that we're going to win
this, but it's still going to be a close senate. what i look at is immigration reform. i know where the republican votes are for that. the work we can do on infrastructure, the work that needs to be done on bringing down the cost of pharmaceuticals by unleashing the power of 45 million seniors to negotiate better prices. there is so much we can do. and again, it goes back to my fundamental argument that i make in new hampshire during the next week, that we need someone that doesn't just talk the talk, but that has the receipts of bringing those voters with her to win this election big time. democratic presidential candidate senator amy klobuchar thank you for joining us on this important night. senator, the next time you're on this program, i believe we'll be able to spend the entire time talking about your presidential campaign issues. i don't think it will be anything else crowding us like, for example, an impeachment trial. >> lawrence, there's actually nothing more important than talking about what courage means
right now because that's what this whole election is about. it's going to be about voters having courage and people having courage all across this country to take this president on. we didn't just lose hope in 2016. we just lost an election. and we didn't -- maybe we lost this barely, these votes, but the people are going to be with us. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank you for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you, appreciate it. >> when we come back, senator elizabeth warren is standing by in new hampshire. senator warren is next.
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the anales of history. in the most powerful nation on earth, liberty and justice, that distinction is enough for any citizen. >> joining us is one of the juror citizens to vote guilty in the articles of impeachment. senator elizabeth warren joins us from the campaign trail in new hampshire tonight. senator warren, thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to get your reaction to what senator romney had to say today. he's the former governor of your state, of massachusetts. what was it like listening to that one republican stand up and see this case basically the same way you do? >> i thought i was listening to a decent and honorable man, who stood up and did the right thing. >> and i also want to turn to doug jones who i think we both know cast the most difficult vote politically of anyone there today. he actually put his future on
the line with alabama voters. what was your reaction to senator jones's vote and speech today? >> you know, i'm reminded that doug jones, he's a nice guy. he's affable, he seems very easy going. but he has a backbone of steel. and i think he showed that long before he ever got to the senate. and in the senate today, that's what he showed. he's there to do what's right. and i feel like that's going to, that's going to meet a lot of people where they are. you know, voters get it that there are some who just want to know you came out the same way you did. but at the end of the day, in the kind of democracy we have, it's about having people represent you that you trust. and even if you don't agree with every decision, you trust that they're doing it out of a sense of decency and honesty, that they're not just in washington
playing politics. i think that's what doug jones showed today, he's a good man. >> senator, i think we remember your reaction to the mueller report when it came out in its entirety with the redactions, of course. you got your hands on it as soon as you could. you read it on the presidential campaign trail. you told us on the plane you read every word of it. by the time you got to the end of it, you concluded president trump should be impeached for what was in the mueller report on the obstruction of justice of volume 2 of the mueller report for sure. so what i'm wondering about, i want to take a look -- we'll look at this together of you voting today, voting guilty today twice on the senate floor. as we take a look at that, i want to -- when we come back, i'm going to ask you what it was like after all this time, from the mueller report to now, to finally be able to stand up on the senate floor and pronounce him guilty of some of what you see as his law less conduct.
but let's watch that vote as you cast it today. >> miss warren. >> guilty. >> miss warren, guilty. >> miss warren. >> guilty. >> guilty. >> what did that moment feel like, that moment that came to you twice, to stand there and pronounce donald trump guilty? >> you know, for me it felt like history. i sit at the desk that was john kennedy's desk and ted kennedy's desk. and i'm often when i'm at the desk and there is something really important going on, i actually reach in the drawer of the desk. they've carved their names inside the drawer along with other senators who have used that same desk. i often will run my thumb along senator -- then senator john kennedy or then senator ted kennedy's names. it is a reminder we're here for a time, but we are part of a long history.
and donald trump may try to spin this vote anyway he wants. most of the republicans, nearly all but one, signed up to lock arms and protect this lawless president. but at the end of the day, it's going to be history that's going to be the judge of what we've done. and i can hold my head up in history forever on that vote. >> senator, we're going to squeeze in a quick break here. when we come back, i want to ask you about mitch mcconnell, if you're president, if mitch mcconnell is still majority leader of the senate, how you will deal with that. we'll be back right after this break. pagas lo que necesitas. only pay for what you need... only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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it's a perfectly reasonable question to ask whether the president's actions are appropriate. >> yeah, i think that's what we just dealt with for three weeks, three weeks. we've listened, we've voted, we've had a number of internal meetings to discuss all of this, which you all ended up knowing a good deal about and writing about. it's time to move on. >> senator elizabeth warren is back with us. and, senator, we just saw mitch mcconnell refuse to answer whether or not he thought donald trump's conduct was appropriate. we have now a handful of republican senators saying it wasn't. lisa murkowski, republican senator saying the president's conduct was shameful, but mitch mcconnell was still able with
all of that, still able to hold onto all but one republican senator to vote not guilty for president trump. if mitch mcconnell is still in control of the united states senate and you are inaugurated president a year from now, will there be anything legislatively you can get through the united states senate? >> oh, yes. so, look, i reject the premise of the question, and you know i do. and i'll tell you why. one reason that i am working so hard to build a grassroots movement all across this nation is so that we have the strength come november 2020, not only to win at the top of the ticket, but to have that kind of on the ground power and operation that helps us win up and down the ticket. and that's a big part of how we're going to take back the senate. and expand our lead in the house and take seats in state
legislative offices. that's what we've got to do as democrats. i also really have to put in the plug for all the things president can do all by herself, and put real meat on that bone. we can start the fight against climate change. on my first day as president, i'll stop all new drilling or mining on federal lands, no offshore drelg. we can also do it through our agencies. i'm going to have a secretary of educati education who has been a public school teacher, someone who believes in public education, believes that public dollars should stay in public schools. so there's a lot to do and i'm in that fight. but i'll tell you my first legislative fight with mitch mcconnell if we've got to have it, that is i've got the biggest anticorruption plan since watergate. and people support it across this country. we have a government where the government works for those at
the top and doesn't work for anybody else. big corporations like amazon and eli lili and others, they can invest in government and get tax loopholes. last year, what did they do? made millions in profits and paid zero in taxes. that is corruption pure and simple. it's not just democrats who think that corruption is disgusting. it's independents and republicans. maybe not the folks who serve in public office in washington, but people across this country. so here's the fight i'm willing to have. i'm willing to get out there and fight for an anticorruption bill right from the beginning. to get our democrats together, our independents together, our republicans together all across this country. we get that strong grassroots movement that we build in order to win the election keep it alive, don't let people go home. keep them in the fight get them
pushing washington. tame i'm leading from the white house. that's how we get this government to represent the people. that you' how we get this government to do the people's bidding, not just the bidding of the rich and the powerful. that's how we make a real difference. anybody who is watching this who think it's a good idea to get the government to work for the people, go to elizabeth warren.com, pitch in $5 and read about the fight. mitch mcconnell should not be there to block our democracy. senator, i want to look at the latest results from iowa. we have 92% in. you're in a solid third place position there, a little over 18%. you beat the former front runner joe biden in iowa. now you're in new hampshire and trying to push up from there. er you and senator klobuchar, senator sanders were all held out of iowa, you lost a couple
days of active campaigning there. do you think it could be a week in new hampshire we'll be able to compete door to door in new hampshire? >> all i can say is i'm delighted to be in new hampshire. did a town hall here in new hampshire because it's so good to be online talking to people who care about this issue. people are invested. people showed up. they had good and smart questions, and they care about getting this right because they understand that 2020 is not just our chance to get rid of donald trump. it's actually our chance to change decades of corruption and make this government work not just for those at the top. make it work for everyone. >> senator, when you come back on the program, i want to take that word corruption and expand it out into what your program actually is because i know it involves a lot of detailed elements washington has never
seen before. >> yeah. >> and would really change the culture there. i want to get beyond that one word. people hear that and think you'll never get rid of the corruption. that's for next time. democratic presidential candidate elizabeth warren, thank you for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. when we come back, remember the days when every republican senator praised mitt romney? they did, and we remember. and we'll show you that next. nyquil severe gives you powerful relief
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>> we chose a special man to lead us in a special time. we chose mitt romney to lead our nation. >> we won't be in this situation with mitt romney in the white house. >> it's time to move on. it's time for a leader who will lead. that leader is mitt romney. >> well, that was then, and today the president's son donald trump, jr., said mitt romney should be expelled from the republican party for being the first senator in history to find the president of his own party guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. the author of running against the devil. so, mitt romney was their hero and now he's their devil. >> it's a sign of how donald trump the parasite ate the republican party from the inside out and the shell of it still remains that says it's the republican party. everything has to be year zero. everything has to be reset. it's all got to be about donald
now. all of these guys today on the floor basically two groups of republican senators. the ones who in private rail against donald trump constantly, and they hate him, and they wish they could have the stones that mitt romney displayed today. they wish they could do it. but they're so fearful of the coward caucus. and the others who are the opportunists and the trumpers, hangers on who think they're going to be president some day, they're looking at mitt romney, how do i avoid being seen with him because the trump people might get angry with me. >> mitt romney four years from today, mitt romney will be younger than bernie sanders is today and joe biden is today, which means he will be well within age eligibility for the new hampshire primary. he still has that vacation house in new hampshire. >> he does indeed. >> if, if the republican party collapses after trump, mitt romney could rise. >> if it collapses after trump, they've lost 650 seats across the country since donald trump took office at various levels of
government. so the collapse is underway. and, you know, i think there will be principled republicans at the end of the day, there won't be a lot. i joke sometimes you could sit us around a waffle house table. people today watched mitt romney from two different party backgrounds displayed courage. it's so rare in washington. it's so dangerous to the trump people. instead of taking a victory lap today. the line up was the three minutes hate mitt romney. the screaming fest. romney is a traitor. it really tells you what happens when the republicans hear a message like that. they feel pain. souls trying to reenter their body. a physical sense of anxiety from someone opposing trump. >> rick wilson gets tonight's last word. we have a footnote.