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and weather? >> that is correct. weather is what you see outside your window. thank you for seeing you. you can hear more of governor inslees big idea at my big idea. watch these, it will give an idea of why these candidates are different harry will talk about corey booker tonight on "nightly news" on leicester holt. >> thank you for watching "velshi & ruehle". we will hand you off to our colleague casey hunted in d.c. >> i'm indicatecy hunt in for katy tur. it's 2:00 here in washington where president trump is trying to spin his way out of a number of bad 2020 headlines. he's gearing up for the formal launch of the 2020 re-election bid at an all day event in florida tomorrow, leading up to a rally in orlando. the choice of that location, the key battleground state, obviously, no mistake. nbc news has learned the president's campaign has fired some of its pollsters after a
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leaked internal numbers showing the president trailing joe biden by double digits from a number of key states, including florida. the president is officially unconcerned because as he told george stephanopoulis, he doesn't believe in polls. >> i don't believe those polls. there is no way he beats me in texas. >> even your own polls show are you behind right now, don't they? >> no, my polls show i'm winning everywhere. >> we all seen these reports 15 out of 18 states spent 15 and you are behind. >> nobody showed you those polls, those polls don't exist, george. those polls don't exist. i just had a meeting with somebody that's a pollster and i'm winning everywhere. >> and the president followed that message up with a tweet to crying the only fake polls show him losing to the motley crue of democrats running against him. so how concerned should president trump be about his recent polling?
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joining me now, nbc correspondent hans nichols at the white house and los angeles times reporter elan stokements. hans, let's talk about why the president fired some of his pollsters. >> reporter: well, it's in response to the leaks. we don't think, according to person familiar with the matter, this is the response to the actual underlying data. now a couple things about that data, number one, when you look at the cost of that poll, a $2 million poll. it tells you there is a lot more than the horse race question on, where the president is up. where the president is down. there could be things in the cross town about what messaging is working, what isn't working. and also at this stage of the campaign, campaigns get out there to polls, so they need to know where to deploy the president. which states do you look good? which states do you look soft
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in? where do you land the plane? i think this tells us a lot in terms of the presidential travel. remember, these are dated numbers. these are from march. you look at where the president has gone if april and may in june it gives you an indication where he has a real challenge, that's places like michigan, places like pennsylvania. where were we most recently? iowa. . >> that's a good point. phil rut customer, what's your information say about what the points of the numbers was, hans points out this was a massive poll that has very real use for any political campaign. but on the other hand, it seems like there is something in here to make the president a little concerned about where he stands? >> reporter: well, he should be concerned where he stands. these are fought good numbers for him by any measure. we should keep in mind we have very little visibility into the full extent of this poll as hans said. we also don't know, for example what other polling and survey data the campaign may have
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internally to be guiding some of these decision. now, this has been an ongoing 74 for several days. it really overshadows the launch, the official kickoff of the president's re-election campaign. he wants to show strength in orlando. he has been touting the big crowd that will be there. but yet, these headlines are so damaging. not doing that interview with george stephanopoulis, he is denying the polls exist. even though it does exist. the data has been reported in the media and confirmed by the campaign. >> eli, i mean, why brad pa scale who is out there saying owl news about the president's polling is completely false. he's the guy that needs these numbers, brads parscale. what's the back straight on how these numbers got out there in the first place? >> i think the numbers were perhaps leaked by some of these pollsters who were not affiliated with the campaign to get the president's attention. i think if you step back, yes, there is an audience of one as
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it often is for everybody that works for the president. that is you cannot admit anything, any sort of weakness publicly ever. and so polls show you losing, you just say they're fake polls. the president sets that tone and brad parscale and everybody else in the administration that wants to stay there continues this thing from the same sheet of music. i think it'ses if nateing. talking about the $2 million spent on the poll. that's not that much of a campaign that's capable of raising 9, $10 million. they have the money now. this is what a professional campaign will do. it's a different campaign that he is trying to run now than he ran four years ago when he didn't have professional pollsters. he wasn't raking in that kind of money. he wasn't the establishment favorite, obviously. so they just didn't do polls. if you don't do polls, they can't leak out and seed this narrative in the press. at his gut level, the president wants this juggernaut campaign. at the same time he struggles with it, because he's a guy that
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goes with his gut. >> i'm glad eli property what happened four years ago, we played that sound byte of the president essentially saying, i don't believe in polls. i actually interviewed him four years ago almost to the day, the same day he rode down that escalator that your colleague ashley parker wrote about so provocatively in today's paper. here's what he had to say then about whether or not he believed in polls. >> and i'm doing well in the polls. new hampshire, where they had a poll i was number 3. and nobody thinks i'm running. that was from yesterday or two days ago. nobody thinks i'm running. i do well in the polls. now that i'm running, i'm officially running, i think they're taking this very seriously. >> phil, which is it really? this seems to be a president who is hyper focused on poll polling -- polling, what it says about him, any measure of popularity. i have to believe that guy is telling the truth about what he really believes about polling.
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>> absolutely. he's obsessed with the ratings. when he's on television, he's obsessed with the crowd sizing and the horse race polling. but in terms of his public performance, what he's projecting out to his people, it's a pretty simple role. any poll where he is leading is a poll. any pole she losing is a fake poll or bias poll or suppression poll not to be believed. >> a remarkably succinct description of what we are seeing, thank you very much. great to talk with all of you. on the democratic side of the 2020 presidential race, a number of hope. s have gathered here in washington for forum held by the poor people's campaign. it's a social justice movement championing the political rights of millions of low wealth americans. on the stage right now, joe biden, just minutes ago, he made an impassioned case for the necessity of a movement that unites americans againsting in and equality.
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>> with greating in and equality, what's happened is, the charltons have been able to pit black folks against white folks, against latina, et cetera. because if you have a problem, it's the other. look what's happening now. the reason why the poor folks are poor is because of all those immigrants, all those muslims, all those african-americans, et cetera. it's a bunch of malarkey. the fact of the matter is the people campaign intends to ends this exploitation. an exploitation is more extreme than it's ever been because there is a giganticing in in equality that exists here in america. it's greater than any time since the turn of the last century. >> joining me now national political reporter valley natale, and msnbc contributor corinne jean-pierre. how would you say this conversation is different from some of the other ones you often hear on the cane trail? this is really a unique event
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aimed at, focused on a unique piece of our population that often goes unheard? >> reporter: you are exactly right. it's millions of people, which is the point that the poor people's campaign is trying to make here today as they have the attention of all of these presidential candidates. so as far as i've heard from the organizers and the folks here on the ground, they do want to hear a targeted message about how and what can be done to ameliorate the wealth gap. it depends which candidate you are following, so joe biden is finishing up his pitch, this group of voters here on stage now. he did hit open voting rights, combating race irmism. interestingly, he made an electoral pitch. he would be able to win states like georgia, ever swinging florida, texas, so that's clearly an architect geared maybe not to the people in this room, to the other people in the national media who are watching joe biden make this pitch. in terms of what people in this room want to hear. i spoke with one earlier, her
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name is jo anne. listen to what she told me. >> it's important for those people running to say they support and they have a plan for how it is that we are going to go forward with this fusion movement that the poor people's campaign is about. and implement policy change that is different from blwhat we are seeing now, where we have people who cannot live on the money they are making and people making money that they will never spend and trying to find that happy medium. >> reporter: casey, it's so interesting to me, while joe biden has made his pitch, he has shied away from the cattle call events, where candidates are rotating on and off stage making their pitch. today is the first time voters and people watching on television can get a sense of who joe biden is in the sense of the larger field. >> that will happen before today. there are eight other candidatess in this group. >> it's a great point.
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karin jean-pierre, let's pick up there, we haven't seen joe biden do a lot of big events, clearly, it's designed to send a message. he also has not necessarily been someone who has been willing to advocate for policies that perhaps go further to try to address some of these kempblcon. we heard from bernie sanders about credit for all, free college for all, all aimed at americans in the lowering in brackets. what is your opinion on why he is there? >> i think she there because the reasons you listed. the poor people's campaign was started in 1968 by martin luther king, jr. it has not been lowing in people have not been a part of the discourse for many, many decades. this is a moment, a time when you have a diverse group of people running in this primary to have real conversations and this is what's so important. you be able to share your
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vision, you be able share your ideas. i think it's really smart for biden to be there, especially when we are talking about the disparities, when you say like 39 million children are living in poverty, 74 million women are living in poverty. and so, we're talking about, unfortunately, disproportion natalie, it affects -- do proportion interet aly, it affe your campaign and you have to bring it to the people who vote for you. this is kind of where we are. i think it's great they have ten candidates coming today. it's a real issue. it's a real problem. we need to continues to have that conversation. we talk about middle class a lot. not about the lowing in people. >> elly vitale, who is missing from the stage that sticks out for you? >> reporter: to me there is no one missing in as much as the people who are the obviously
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people are bernie sanders and elizabeth warren, when i was on a conference call earlier this morning, they were listing off their ideas of what's necessary and what needs to be prioritized, they were talking about things that really fit what i hear when i'm at bernie sanders and elizabeth warren rallys, a lot of us said we feel this was the natural pace for those candidates to be. for me it's less of who is on the stage and more the candidates that aren't the obviously purveyors of this message, what they can do with there crowd and what kind of reception are they going to get when they talk about, we'll reverse the trends we are seeing from wealth inequality in the united states. >> thank you, andrew yang, apparently took the stage behind her. he, of course, has been pushing that universal basicing in. an interesting message. karin will stick around. a reminder on june 26th and 27th. the first presidential debate will take place in miami.
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opponents from a foreign power. opponents from a foreign power . >> it's been nearly a week since president trump told george stephanopoulis if offered dirt on an opponent he'd take it. with the exception of few republicans there has been little rebuke for those comments. but if there is one person who should be willing to tell the president, his apparent colludeness is a bad plan. it's got to be the secretary of state. >> is accepting oppo research from a foreign government right or wrong? >> chris, you asked me not to call your questions ridiculous. you came really close right there. president trump have been very
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clear. he clarified his remarks later. he made it clear. he said i'd do both. he said he'd call the fbi. >> well, at the risk of getting your ire, the president told fox and friends on friday and i agree, he kind of walked it back. >> le did not walk it back. i have nothing more to! i came on to talk about washington policy and you asked me a piece of washington silliness. >> joining me now, a former pennsylvania republican and senior sf senior fbi contributor. the secretary of state dismissed this as a silly washington problem. you worked for the fbi. does the fbi want to know if foreign adversaries are trying to influence our political campaigns or do they not? >> sure they want to know, for counterintelligence, there is another reason, it's against the law. >> there is that.
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>> there is that. it shouldn't just be the secretary of state telling the president that. there should be a we'll bunch of senior officials making sure the president and his campaign understand what the law requires. >> in your view, should it be illegal to fail the fbi if one of these attempts is made? >> well, let me answerer it in a dave way if you don't mind. there are three things, the president mentioned norway. so a norwegian, not picking on them, they can't contribute to the president's campaign, nor can they donate something of value to the president's campaign. clearly improper. if the president had a norwegian pollster that was really good. he could hear her and pay her fair market value for her services. in those first two categories if something approaches you with something for nothing your antenna should go up. >> i'd like to show you a little of the reaction we've gotten from some of your former colleagues on the hill.
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let's watch. >> when are republicans going to step in and make sure that this doesn't happen? >> well, you know, look, if you talk to all of them kind of privately, we all agree, here's the problem -- >> i am so sick of hearing republicans when they talk privately say one thing. >> it depends if it's coming from a friend. >> it might be valuable information that comes from one of our allies. if they look at it and it's credible, i think it would be foolish not to take that information. >> congressman costello, do you agree with that? >> i thought congressman kinzinger didn't say anything objectionable. i thought congressman stewart said something that is objectionable. >> that is to say that if you get information from a foreign source, you turn it over to the fbi. i do have to say the practical information is it is highly unlikely the trump campaign or the president, himself, would be
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contacted by a foreign agent and say, hey, president trump, here's the thing. >> but that's what happened. in this case, they reached out to his son. >> i think moving forward, that is highly unlikely. he did walk it back. i would disagree with the secretary of state there. i think the president did walk it back. i think by and large that this story goes away after today. if anything, this enflames the democrats and shines a light on them in terms of what they will do moving forward with impeachment. i think republicans have become deadened to this issue. >> before we get toime impeachm, there is this question of should essentially what the trump campaign did be a crime? right now under current law where they get this e-mail from somebody who says russian information, would you like to hear it? they say yes. they don't ultimately do anything. they don't get help. they don't receive a contribution. which is currently legal. should they get if trouble for not reporting that to the fbi? democrats have tried to put that bill on the floor in the senate.
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mcconnell said no. >> i do believe if you are contacted by a foreign agent, that you should not be allowed to go have a meeting with them and receive the information and fail to report it. i actually think that prior to having the meeting, you should contact law enforcement so they can set up some sort of -- >> are you saying your colleagues are likely to agree with you? why would anyone say this in public? >> i thought the majority leader said he would report that. >> sure he did. not that he would put this bill on the floor that would outlaw it. >> i haven't looked at the contents. my understanding is senator blackburn thought it was too broad or whatever the case may be. ought some point if time i believe will you get legislation particular as it relates to the multiplicity of ways that foreign intelligence agencies can get information to campaigns. it's not the old days anymore. >> chuck, how often does this happen? >> i don't think it happens all that often to the congressman's point.
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look, not every law can cover every situation. at some point correspondence and you know sort of prudent behavior has to take over. and so you have to appreciate that if you are approached by the russians, it's probably something you ought to report. whether or not you make it illegal not to do so you should still report it. we know they're running an active foreign measures campaign against the united states government. right? so with or without this law, if you are approached by a foreign government that wants to give you something for nothing, for goodness sakes, report it to the fbi. >> let's beclear, too, to the congressman in that clip, congressman stewart who said it could be valuable information from our allies, if it is, they should call the cia. so should you. >> there are different avenues for that. there thank you as always for your insights. if you haven't listened. check out chuck's new podcast. it is great, congrats, chuck.
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with just nine days to go before the first 2020 democratic debate in miami right here on msnbc, senator yeelizabeth warr yelz's profile is on the rise and so so her candidacy. 64% of democratic primary voters said they were enthusiastic about or comfortable with her as a candidate. >> that is a 7-points increase from march. meanwhile, both joe biden and bernie sanders have seen their numbers fall. sanders is down 6 points to 56%, while biden the current front runner is down 7 points to 66%. back with me, move karin jean-pierre and former congressman ryan costello. karin, what is driving this numbers for warren? >> i think she's incredible authentic. she is talking policy, which people clearly want to hear and
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she's talking about it in a clear way and it's resonating. she's gone all over, she's gone to west virginia, ohio, outside of the four early states. she's gone to mississippi. and she's selling something that people see as a vision and it's moving this country forward. >> congressman, there was a sense in the beginning of her campaign, should some missteps with a dna test roll out. the president attacked her and, frankly, he said he thought he had pushed her out of the race. fundamentally. she seems to have bounced back from that. what is your view from the other side of the aisle about whether she could beat president trump if she got the nomination? >> i think she took the opening afforded her, that was to come out for an impeachment inquiry pretty much before any other presidential candidate did that. i think the base, as you saw speaker pelosi equivocate on that there is a lots of machinations in the house frustrating to base voters. she took advantage there. from there i may not agree with her policy proposals.
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but she is specific and she lays it out all across the boards. the other thing i would say about the democratic primary as we head into the general ultimately is the typical swing voter as it's been defined over the past presidential cycles is fought your centrist suburban voter. it is your blue dog leaning democratic voter. >> blue dog? you mean far left voters? >> no, no. >> you are talking centrist voters? >> that's my bag. >> i think senator warren is appealing to them the same way tim ryan is seeking to appeal to them. >> really? >> i think, look. if you look across rural america, you have a lot of voters who feel left behind. where is job creation happening right now? it's happening in urban centers and university communities. and i think that senator warren and every other democratic candidate is making a play for the kind of voters that trump took from clinton in 2016.
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that's the swing voter in the 2020 race. >> so i will agree with you on that. look, trump had a faux populism message. it was fought real. it didn't lead to anything. clearly we see that with the tax cuts and helps uber wealthy and leaves everybody behind with the tariff war. what elizabeth warren is doing is having that inclusive populism. she is talking economy as well. yes, she is talking to those blue dog democrats. like i said she went to vest west virginia to ohio. she is leaning and going after black women to really talking about inequality in a real way we haven't heard before. >> i take your point that she has gone to west virginia and places other democrats won't go. the reality is west virginia is lost. ohio is a long shot. this is going to be won in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, and that's a lot of the suburban voters that threw you out. well, you retired.
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would have thrown you out of office shall we say if you were on the ballot if 2018. what is your view on where they fall on warren? >> boy, that the a great question. i think if biden is the nom fee, he presumptively gets those voters, frankly, most did vote for hillary clinton. do i think if yelz yelsz is the nominee or bernie sanders is the nominee, some of those suburban voters, that used to be the swing voters, direction ally move towards the democratic party. at least for the time being are back if play. i do believe that. so i think the tension within the democratic primary right now is if you choose certain candidates, you are opening up a group of voters that you may have had on lockdown, but alternatively. >> because they're too far to the left essentially? okay. >> yes. i think for warren runs that risk for democrats. people may disagree, i think that's the case. >> we don't know that, there is a reason why she is surging. she is connecting.
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i think when you look at bernie and biden, they're known quantities, people know about them already, people are learning about elizabeth warren, clearly the more they learn, clearly she is getting more traction. >> that has to matter. she is doing well in iowa, in new hampshire. in states that you are talking about easy well. >> i think that matters. >> respectfully, i believe that right now bernie sanders, she is eating bernie sander's lunch. she is taking bernie sander's voters away and the more progressive voters are gravitating towards elizabeth warren. it remains to be seen if the biden voters and the more crept ris voters -- >> i think as people are learning about her. >> this has been a great conversation. thank you both very much. we do want to go out to ohio f. just a few hours, msnbc's chris matthews will hold a special town hall, the deciders in dayton, ohio. dayton is the largest city in what was once a democratic strong hold, montgomery county.
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the county supported democratic candidates since bill clinton in 1992. it all changed in 2016. manufacturing plants were closing and dayton's economy was floundering. trump went there and promised to fix it. he won by just over a thousand votes. so, yeeshsz latyears later, doe dayton feel trump is the one to help them. cal ferr perry, are you on site. what have you heard from vote sores far? >> yeah, if you kind of squint, you can see chris matthews, back in there, we expect fireworks. people passionate as you know about their politics, this is as you set up a place that democrats did very, ver well. trump managed to take it back for republicans. the question, what do democrats do to get it back and how does trump sell himself again the second time around? as is the case, this place was hit hard by the recession.
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other issues as well. we he it the streets with a democrat, sa state republican, he used to be a sheriff. bill plummer. take a listen. >> take this neighborhood, for example, obviously hit hard by drugs, how do you actually come in and fix a neighborhood like this? what do you do? >> there neighborhood has been decimated by the drugs. it's the worst hit area we have. we lost a lot of citizens here. we need to get bem them back in the work force. you know i'm working on sealing records, expunge records, give people treatment with conviction, saying go to the employer with a clean record. we all may mistakes. now we got to lift these people up, clean them up, get them back in the work force or we're going to continue this cycle. >> reporter: now, as those neighborhoods are revitalized, republicans want to get if there and say, look at the economy, it's getting better. >> that is because of us, democrats want to get in there and say we could be doing better. some of these economic
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indicators, democrats will argue, are not fully accurate, especially when you talk about some of the salaries. >> thank you very much, sir, always great to see you. you can catch hardball, the deciders, at 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up next, iran threatens to violate the nuclear deal the united states has already pulled out of. nuclear deal the united states has already pulled out of. fill up for the chance to win free fuel for a year. that's one of thousands of prizes in the shell great gas giveaway! fuel rewards members are automatically
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heightened tensions world trade center u.s. iran announced today it would soon violate a central part of the 2015 nuclear deal by exceeding limits on nuclear fuel, within days, unless european countries still part of that deal agree to help combat american sanctions. president trump reimposed those sanctions on iran last year as he pulled the u.s. out of the nuclear deal. there is already a standoff in the region after the trump administration blamed iran for attacks on two oil tankers in the gulf of oman last week. iran denied the allegations, prompting u.s. allies to press the white house for evidence. here was secretary of state mike pompeo sunday on fox. >> the intelligence committee has lots of data, lots of evidence. the world will come to see much of it. but the american people should rest assured we have high confidence with respect to who conducted these attacks. >> joining me now from doha, nbc news chief correspondent bill
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neely. bill, first, the reports that iran will violate the 2015 nuclear deal. can the deal be saved at this point? and are the europeans going to go along with this demand? >> reporter: yeah, i think, casey, the deal is on life support. at the moment the u.s., of course, has pulled out, president trump calling it the worst deal ever. iran threatening today that it may breach the deed. it didn't say it would, but it threatened that it may and, of course, the europeans haven't been able to give iran the benefits of the deal. like, for example, selling its oil, economic benefits that would counteract the u.s. sanctions that are absolutely strangling iran's economy. so, that's why the iranians are trying to put as much pressures a as possible on the europeans, and the european foreign policy
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chief said today it is becoming increasingly difficult to keep this deal alive. so iran is trying to pressure europe, if you like to separate europe even further from the united states. president rouhani saying time is running out. but the other motivation, of course, iran is flexing its muscle towards the united states saying, you can strangle our economy. you can put more sanction on, more sanctions are now threatened. but we, too, have levers to pull and one of them is a nuclear lever and perhaps it wasn't surprising that just in the last few hours, we have president trump tweeting rather oddly, just a single line, almost as if it was a headline in inverted comments. he tweeted, iran to defy uranium stockpile limits. it's almost as if he is saying, there you go, that's what you get from iran in a deal like this, you get nuclear black
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mail. >> bill neely in doha, thank you, sir, very much for that report. coming up next, the chief justice defends the independence of the high court with a number of key politically charged decision due any day. charged decision due any day hi i'm joan lunden.
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today the u.s. supreme court tossed out a lawsuit over racially gerrymandered districts in virginia. the court still has two more political gerrymandering lawsuits to decide this term along with a partisan, very charged case about the census, all with less than two weeks left in the term. this as the chief justice is defending the independence of the court, hoping to reassure the american public the court is an apolitical substitution. joining me now, justice correspondent pete williams and co-founder of scotus blog amy howl. pete, how important was the decision that was handed down. >> >> the virginia case is good for virginia only. it basically said once the lower courts had decided the case and virginia decided to stop fighting, a lower court from a three-judge panel. they tossed out a map, a plan for all the state house and senate districts in virginia as
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unconstitutional because it zim fated on the basis of -- because it discriminated on the basis of race. today the supreme court said you can't appeal. yes, it's true, the whole legislature might be able to appeal. not just the house. a 7-2 decision. so that's the end of that it's really good for virginia only. it doesn't say anything about this question you sort of teased up, the thing that we are all waiting for. which is will the supreme court for the first time say that legislature can be so partisan that it crosses some constitutional line? and we're still waiting for that ruling. >> that's the political gerrymandering case. what's the background there? where is it coming from? >> two states, north carolina and maryland n. one case, in maryland, it's the republicans that i'm trying to think of the right word i can say on television that were not nice to the democrats and in north carolina, it's the republicans who acted to the disadvantage of the democrats. so in one case, the democrats,
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maryland going against the republicans. and that's where those two case come from. i must say like the supreme court is not quite there, translator not confident they know what the test is. how do you take something that's inherently political and say i'm sorry, at this point there's too much politics in it. >> that's a good question. the washington post is reporting on the chief justice, john robert who's has this kind of new role on the report as president trump has put traditional conservative justices. the washington post writes chief justice -- he's at the center of the ideological spectrum. do you think it's possible for -- i mean, does the court still operate as an apolitical institution in our system? >> it's so hard to say. there are 69 cases, and we are -- the justices are people just like everyone else. what we've got right now which is different from what we have had in the past is that we have
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a court in which you have five conservative justices who were all appointed by republican presidents. and then you've got four of them are liberal justices who were all appointed by democrats. they say that they leave their politics at the door. this was something that, you know, neil gorsuch liked to point out that we're all wearing just the black polyester robe. but they bring ideologies and they were appointed in no small part because of those ideologies. and, you know, we have certainly seen a mix of votes on the supreme court in the racial gerrymandering case at the supreme court today. you know, there were five votes to say that the virginia house of delegates couldn't appeal to the supreme court when the virginia attorney general didn't want to. and it didn't line up -- >> it was a very unusual split. >> it was justice ruth bader ginsburg wrote for the majority.
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she was joined by justice sonia sotomayor and elena kagan but then also by justice clarence thomas and neil gorsuch. and then you had the chief justice sam alito part of the conservative block, but then also steve breyer and brett kavanaugh on the other side. but, you know, i think what people are really going to remember about this term are the decisions that we still haven't gotten yet. >> peetd, what's your take on how the chief justice is trying to position himself both on the court now as we watch it every day but also kind of for history. and this comes as ruth bader ginsburg is saying that many of these cases that are still to be decided are likely to be very deeply divided and possibly along partisan lines. >> no great separate. we will see how he votes on the census case. we will see how he votes on the partisan gerrymandering case. my guess is he will be in the majority. my guess is the supreme court will say we just can't -- we just don't know what the test is for partisan gerrymandering.
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the census one though is more politically fraught. and you have these interesting last-minute details where the aclu said send this case back, don't even decide it because we have new evidence that shows that it really was a partisan planned from the beginning. >> it's out of a movie, the new evidence they have. >> right, and what effect it will have. there is no real procedure after the game is over to say, oh, we just found something else we want to re-write. so i don't know what effect that's going to have. but on that one, i think, and possibly as well on this cross case although i am waiting to see what they do with this 40-foot tall cross in maryland. my guess is that the supreme court will say it can stay. but he does have this balancing act. we forget, yes, he bailed out obamacare, but he's the guy who voted to gut the voting rights act. he voted against same-sex
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one more thing before we go. one of the coolest, most daunting aspects of being
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president of the united states is having access to the world's biggest secrets, including what may be lingering outside of our planet. that includes, quote-unquote, things that may stroll through our skies from time to time. things like this object in california captured by a navy pilot in 2017. it is one of many recent u.f.o. reports from government pilots. so naturally, if you're in the oval office with the president and you want to know about u.f.o.'s might as well ask. >> we are getting more and more reports of navy pilots. what do you make of that? >> i think it's probably -- i want them to think whatever they think. they do say, i mean, i've seen and i've read and i've heard and i did have one very brief meeting on, but people are saying they are seeing u.f.o.s. do i believe it? not particularly. >> trump is not the first president to acknowledge the
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unknown. presidents are asked about extra terrestrial life all the time. jimmy kimmel tried to get george w. bush to admit that he knows. bush told kimmel, quote, i'm not telling you nothing. same for bill clintob and barack obama. they say that they have looked at the files but they won't tell us a sliver of what's inside. there was some hope that we would get to see the x-files in 2016. extraterrestrial talk was all the rage with hillary clinton's campaign. she actually promised that if she got elected she was release what she could. that obviously didn't happen, so here we are still wondering about aliens with a president who isn't sold on their existence, at least not yet. but do check out this picture that nasa took of mars. some say that the rock on the left bears a striking resemblance to our 45th president. i'm not sure i see it, but who knows, maybe after taking a stroll over the white house and trump tower, the martians were
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inspired to begin work on their own mount rush more. i am kasie hunt in washington. catch me every sunday night on kasie d.c. hi, ali. >> good to see you and have yourself a grade afternoon, kasie. all right. nuclear blackmail. that's how a white house natural security council spokesman described an announcement by iran's atomic agency that it's going to exceed the limit for enriched uranium. the white house called for increased international pressure against iran, but the u.s. may not get much help from european allies which say they will only react to a breach of the agreement if the international atomic energy agency identifies one. >> the interest we have is to keep the nuclear deal in


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