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all-star game in this case, boy does it really, really matter who wins. the first democratic debate is less than a month away already. june 26th and 27th in miami. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> good evening on this memorial day. we are one month away from the first democratic presidential debate which will be broadcast right here on msnbc. we are just one day away from our live town hall with presidential candidate senator kamala harris in the key primary state of south carolina. 10:00 p.m. tuesday night. we have interviewed many of the democratic presidential contenders. we'll feature highlights from some of those tonight. tomorrow night it will be the voters turn as democratic voters get tote ask senator harris their questions live starting at 10:00 p.m. right here. polls have shown that the most important issue for democratic
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voters right now is beating donald trump. donald trump is a minority president. and always has been and he continues to behave like a minority president. donald trump got only 46% of the vote in 2016. and not once during his presidency has his approval rating ever reached 50% in the gallup poll. you can see on this graph from early 2017 to now, his approval has never gone above 50% this month gallup has him at 42% approval, 5% disapproval. donald trump does even worse when it comes to personal characteristics. on the question do you think donald trump is honest? 65% say no. 30% say yes. does donald trump have good leadership skills, 5% say no. 39% say yes. does donald trump care about average americans, 58% say no.
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39% say yes. and then there are the polling questions that are unique to donald trump. do you think donald trump committed crimes before he was president, 57% say yes. 28% say no. do you think president trump blibs he is above the law? 56% say yes. 41% say no. donald trump is running for re-election with his former campaign chairman and his former personal lawyer in prison. is he running for re-election after being named an unindicted co-conspirator in a federal criminal case in new york city and with more than a dozen open investigations of his conduct before entering his presidency. a fox poll done earlier this month matched five democratic contenders against donald trump in a general election one-on-one. joe biden had a commanding lead over donald trump. 49% to 3%. bernie sanders is five points
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ahead of donald trump in that poll. 46 to 41. elizabeth warren is also ahead of donald trump in that one-on-one poll, 43-41. kamala harris is even with donald trump in that poll at 41%. and pete buttigieg is tied within the margin of error at 42-41. joining our skurks cornell belcher, and joy reid, an msnbc national correspondent and host of "am joy" weekends here. she's the author of the forthcoming book "the man who sold america." and spoiler alert, read the book. i know who the man who stole america is. i'm not going to tip it. joy, the number one thing that presidential candidates now have to convince democratic primary vote others of is they can beat, that candidate can beat donald trump. >> the thing issing thatting what kind of puzzles me about
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democrats they have great anxiety being able to do that. you can see the anxiety when they are running against the president, you saw the 41 number didn't change. no matter who it is. he won 46% which is what bill clinton got with ross perot getting 19% of the vote. he's not popular. in order to win the first time, he had to have russia voter suppression and 40 something years of attacks on hillary clinton. that's the only way he was able to sneak over the finish line and still lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. this is not a strong position. the challenge democrats have is his percent is fixed. they're hard-core and they will crawl over broken glass to get him back in because their issue isn't the economy. it's immigration. they think he's going to get the brown people out. they'll do anything to get him back in. democrats need passion on their side, too. >> cornell, when you look at that overwhelming expression by
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democratic voters in the polls saying what we're looking for is the candidate who is most likely strongest positioned to beat donald trump, and the poll shows right now the answer to that question is biden. how do the other candidates compete on that question? >> well, a couple things. i do want to throw some caution in the conversation. a couple things. one is, the electability question if you go back to 2008, look at democrats just suffering loss after loss to george bush. he electability question was one of the leading questions, one of the leading top issues for democrat back in 2008. and again hillary clinton at that point had an even larger gap over the field than biden does now. and a lot of that was built around the idea she was most electable. other candidates can chip away at that. there's also the piece about the puj and about vision. and sort of who can pick up the
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progressive mantle and move that forward. i wouldn't place too much on electability. particularly if you're biden you're looking at this poll after poll after poll shows almost the entire field is competitive if not in fact beating donald trump in the general election match-up. to me, to joy's point this is more what democrats have to do than donald trump. donald trump is going to have his somewhere between 42 and 46% locked in. to joy's point, if you look where hillary clinton lost the election income 2016, it was 4 million obama votes are sat out. you had 3%, 4% of millennials who broke for obama and breaking third party. to me it's not about the donald trump. it was about what democrats have to do to rebuild the obama coalition and expand it. >> joy, what do you see as the number one issue? after you get past that
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electability question, i've got to say, cornell's point of barack obama was way behind hillary clinton in 2008. he changed that balance. and did he do it primarily through debate performance? what changed in voters' minds about barack obama's electability? >> iowa. the reality is that cornell's right. the democratic party. >> didn't he have to convince those iowa vote ares. >> he did. >> that he could beat the republican in the general election in order to get their votes in the first place which then had an effect on other vote. >> the iowa electorate, it's reprogressive, liberal. they need passion. democrats tend to be passion voters. barack obama went in there and in iowa you go door to door. you convinced them with reta politics had he something to offer that was new. that was a change election. idea was, you had this sort of era of bush economic collapse. and the idea was who can change
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that. is it going to be a democrat like hillary clinton who comes from the establishment or someone new. i think what democrats don't understand is we are looking at another change election. and contact with voters and convincing them that you've got something new to offer that's going to bring the country into the future, that is actually what voters i think are looking for. if there's biden and mot biden, not biden is somebody that's going to have a vision that's going to be able to close that passion gap. that's what hillary clinton be unfortunately lacked in those three states. had she had the passion of 78,000 more people, she would be president. >> cornell, i want to go to the issues here because in the way the democrats won back the house of representatives this last time as issues it was primarily health care, that was what filled town halls. these republicans are trying to take my health care away. we now have a new issue always with us but goes through different cycles of importance
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and that's roe versus wade, the attacks on roe versus wade by republican state legislatures around the country in the hopes that the trump supreme court will overturn roe versus wade. polling now showing 67% say keep roe versus wade as it is. where will that factor in in the issue mix in the democratic presidential campaign? >> two things, lawrence. one is i think we've put two simplistic a narrative on 201. we had -- democrats had 9.million more votes than republicans did in 2018. that's a humongous switch. to say that was all about health carey think is two simplistic a conversation. particularly when you talk to those suburban moms who are worried about their kids future and worried about the climate in this country and worried about the division that's happening in this country. we didn't get 9.7 million more voters simply because of health
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care. we got health care along with division and sort of with what donald trump was doing and outperformed the democratic favorability. democrats shouldn't think the electorate is the in love with them. around the questions of roe versus wade, look, this to me is another potential party reali realignme realignment. linda johnson said you sign the civil rights legislation and say there goes the south for a generation there goes white voters for democrats because democrats have not won a majority of white voters yet. with the challenge roe v. wade, if white suburban women really feel as though their choice is going to be taken away interest them, there goes college educated white women for republicans for the next several decades. it's going to be realignment particularly in the suburbs in a way that i think is the end of the republican party as we know it. >> can i add quickly to somewhat
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revise my earlier answer. what barack obama did was not just win iowa which ignited african-american voters to have had hope that this could happen that, this dream that had been in the minds of every black child in america and thought of as this is crazy, it's never going to happen that, made it seem possible. if white voters would vote for this guy, it could happen. then he loses new hampshire. people thought it was a fluke. then he gave that speech where he said this dream is not dead. yes we can. it was the inspiration to say that this dream is not impossible. democratic votes are tend to need that kind of passion. for hillary clinton when i went around to iowa, new hampshire, i didn't see the passion particularly among young women about the idea of a woman president. just the idea of having a woman president breaking through the barrier, i didn't see that register. hillary clinton didn't run specifically on that. think about now the fact that when she lost, had the students that i was teaching at a college
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after that election was over were devastated. and suddenly it registered with them. the reason to have women in power is me because this is someone who can protect me. the issue of roe versus wade has finally i think made it very clear particularly to young women that the establishes of holding on to your liberty are not your mother's issue, but they're you. that's why i think not bide is likely to be a woman. either kamala harris or elizabeth warren has the best chance to being the alternative to joe biden about.women are the constituency as hungry as african-americans were in 2008. >> joy reid gets the last wise word in our opening round tonight. jair joy roid, cornell belcher, thank you very much. we have more still ahead. you will hear from several of the democratic contenders running for president, but there is also a republican presidential presidential primary campaign. donald trump is being challenged by former massachusetts republican governor bill weld.
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his has shown that a primary challenge to an incumbent president from his own party always hurts that president badly if it lasts beyond the new hampshire primary. i'm going to say this again. every incumbent president who was challenged within his own party beyond the new hampshire primary then lost. in the general election. bill weld is both a former governor and a former federal prosecutor who worked on the impeachment investigation of republican president richard nixon. governor weld will join to us discuss impeachment and his campaign to defeat donald trump. campaign to defeat donald trump. why didn't you book your family vacation on a travel site? at hilton.com, i get the price match guarantee. and i can choose from their 14 different hotel brands, so i get the right hotel for every member of my family. like a doubletree for my cousins who love their warm chocolate chip cookies. a homewood suites for my uncle who likes a long stay. a hampton for my sister and her kids. that's a lot of syrup and the waldorf astoria beverly hills for me. but i thought your family vacation was in miami? it is.
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bon appetite. make time for what matters. pause your wifi with xfinity xfi and see the secret life of pets 2 in theaters. today, hillary clinton reflected on the early days of her career when she found herself on the congressional staff working on the impeachment of republican president richard nixon in 1974. >> i was one of the young lawyers who actually drafted the memo about what is a high crime and misdemeanor. and it was truly met by our founders to describe actions that undermine the integrity of our government. that have placed the personal or political interests of a president over the interests of the nation. >> she was one of the young lawyers who drafted that memo. the other young lawyer working on that memo about high crimes
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and misdemeanors was a republican, william weld. who is now the only republican candidate for president running against donald trump. those two young lawyers both had big funs in politics in their parties. bill weld became the two-term republican governor of massachusetts after serving as the u.s. attorney in boston appointed by president ronald reagan. and after that, bill weld was promoted by president reagan to become the head of the criminal division of the justice department, bill weld grew up in the era of principled republicans and principled democrats along with corrupt republicans and corrupt democrats. and what the impeachment investigation of president nixon showed is that there is come a time in politics when you have to stand on principle over party. we showed you that last night when the only republican member of the house judiciary committee who voted for all three articles of impeachment against richard nixon announced his vote on
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impeachment. >> now i'm a republican. party loyalty and personal affection and press departments of the past must fall i think before the arbiter of mens action. the law itself. no man, not even the president of the united states, is above the law. >> if you're a high school student in america tonight, you have never seen anyone like larry hogan in the congress. you've never seen that. you've never seen a principled republican in congress take a stand against a republican president. but the principled republican used to not be so rare and massachusetts produced more than its share of principled republicans. elliott richardson was elected lieutenant governor of massachusetts in the 1960s and ten attorney general of massachusetts before he joined the nixon administration serving in two cabinet positions
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including secretary of defense before becoming attorney general during the investigations of president nixon. when on a saturday night president nixon ordered elliott richardson to fire special prosecutor archibald cox, he refuse anderson resigned in protest. in that moment of standing on principle against the president of the united states, elliott richardson became the model of integrity for every attorney general who has followed him. some of whom have clearly not lived up to the richardson standard. one of those ras ronald reagan's attorney general edwin meese who was accused of using his public office to enrich his friends. bill weld resigned from reagan justice department in protest of the republican attorney general's conduct. >> indications this morning that the legal problems surrounding attorney general edwin meese may force more defections from the justice department. the department was rocked tuesday by the resignation of deputy general burns and he was followed out the door by william
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weld, head of the criminal division. both called it quits after they were unable to persuade the white house to dump meese on grounds his legal troubles are hurting the department. officials say meese was stunned and hardly able to speak when told of the resignations. >> bill weld then testified to the senate judiciary committee against the attorney general. >> the question is whether mr. meese is taking official actions that he knows are going to redound to the financial benefit of his friend and i suggest that he did so. >> shortly after bill weld's testimony, attorney general ed meese resigned. those were the days when corrupt republicans had to deal with principled republicans. joining us now is bill weld, former (governor of massachusetts and candidate for president of the united states. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, lawrence. >> i want to lean on your experience as a federal prosecutor, as a justice
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department official to get your reading of the mueller report. >> i've been thinking a lot about 1974 recently. and the train coming down from boston to new york yesterday, he read ag barr's 19-page report about how really you can't ever accuse a sitting president of anything in the criminal realm. and you know, bill barr is a very distinguished lawyer and very good guy. i've known him for a long time but it lay in my mind that he apparently never read the united states versus nixon the july of 1974 case unanimous including three nixon appointees that said the president is not above the law. and that led to article 3 of impeachment against president nixon contempt of congress for refusing to comply with lawful subpoenas. which we have going down today. so history is repeating itself and i think the same errors are being made again. i think the mueller report gives us kind i've window into
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mr. trump's mind if not his soul. and i think things are moving from narcissism to megalomania. only i exist. this, of course, is what narcissist and particularly malignant narcissists who like to see other people lose think in their heart of hearts. i fear mr. trump have designs on becoming what the writers of the constitution most feared and that's a tyrant in our country. >> if you were -- if this were the young bill weld on the staff of the house judiciary committee right now on the republican staff, would you be talking about impeachment proceedings. >> i'm not so sure about impeachment. i say an that not for legal reasons but for political reasons. i actually think contrary to what other dozen those over at the white house are dying to have impeachment proceedings initiated so that mr. trump can scream like a stuck pig for the
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next year and a half and not have to engage on anything. he'll just say witch hunt, overreaching. it does seem unlikely although i probably know half a dozen republicans in the senate who might be persuaded to do the right thing if the evidence is as strong as mueller's report suggests. but you know, it's probably not going to be enough and then you're going into the election with the senate having refused to convict and remove the president. and it's going to give him just a delicious talking point for the last few months before of the election. i think the most important thing is that everybody babe themselves so that we don't very six more years of the let's everybody lie, let's not just circle the wagons but everyone has to lie. you mean you can't lie because that's not true? what's your point. this is a man whose first reaction is to lie about everything. say what you want about president nixon. he had the self-awareness toffee recognize that he had done wrong and he resigned. and you know, i'm not sure that
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mr. trump has that self-awareness, thank you very much. >> and richard nixon was a train add lawyer and it seems like there were several points in the investigation where nixon the lawyer understood that there was no legal alternative in the next move, that he must in fact submit to the supreme court. >> he certainly understood it after the 9-0 supreme court case because those tapes were turned over instantly and he had to know they were his undoing. they had him lying on television to the american people. that was enough to remove mr. nixon. everyone said that's one thing you can't do is lie to the american people. it happens in this administration almost every day. sometimes on little things, sometimes on very big things. >> one of the articles of impeachment was specifically about what the president is doing today which is refusing to comply with legal and legitimate subpoenas that are investigating criminal conduct. >> that's right. >> when they were investigating the mueller report, they are
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investigating suggestions and evidence of criminal conduct in the mueller report. >> that's exactly right. and what mrs. clinton said yesterday, she was miss rodham when i knew her then. we did work on that memorandum together but was absolutely right about the grounds for removal. i think it was she who came up with the theory based on the failure to take care that the laws be faithfully executed about the president takes an oath to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. this president mocks the rule of law. so it couldn't be clearer. volume 2 of the mueller report could not be clearer about criminality. >> that was part of my conversation with republican presidential candidate bill weld. coming up, we turn to the democratic presidential contenders starting with my conversation with the very first democrat to formally announce a presidential campaign. senator elizabeth warren. e a presidential campaign. senator elizabeth warren
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elizabeth warren was the first democrat to officially announce a run for the presidency. she was also one of the last word's first contender interviews. she discussed her proposal for a wealth tax, one of senator warren's many policy proposals that have caught the attention of voters and "time" magazine which recently put her on the cover with the headline "i have a plan for that." >> there is an old governor mario cuomo saying that you campaign in poetry and you govern in propose. you seem to be governing -- campaigning in propose also. what mario cuomo meant was the campaign is filled with general good sounding lines but not that
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much specific, not that much policy. you seem to be coming in policy first, front loading this campaign with policy. you were kind of front loading before you were announced in the last six months. the latest the warren proposal of trying to tax wealth, not just wealth. what we would call super wealth. wealth accumulation above $50 million. this has gotten more attention than any policy yet announced by anyone in this campaign. and a lot of it is some pretty heavy attacks on you. >> yeah. >> what is your case for this wealth tax which is not a form of taxation the federal government has tried before. >> that's right. it is new. except do keep in mind, let's talk a little fairness here. middle class america's been paying a wealth tax forever. it's called a property tax on their principal accumulation of wealth which is their home. >> yeah, state taxation no, question about think do tax wealth. >> all this one says is it's do
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it at the federal level and how about we'll also tax your diamonds and your yachts and your art collection and all those other ways that people accumulate wealth. because for me, there's a fundamental fairness question here. think of two people. one of them inherited just gobz of everything. and enjoys it all. the second one is a public school teacher, doesn't have a penny in the bank, just made it through college. let's just say both of them earn $50,000 a year in their respective work. they would pay exactly the same in taxes even though their economic circumstances are wildly different. and in fact, had the fact that we don't tax wealth is one more way in which the system has been rigged by the rich and powerful for the rich and powerful. so here's what we know projected this year. is the tippy top, the .1 of 1%
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will pay in total taxes that they pay about 3.2% of their total wealth. that's the whole thing all-in. the 99% will pay more than double that. about 7.2% of their total wealth. so part of what this is about is just to say, the playing field looks like this. could we just make it look a little bit more like this? could we just level the playing field a little bit. here's the key part. this would produce revenue about $2.75 trillion over the next ten years. how about we invest that in child care. so that hard-working families get some relief. how about we invest that in reducing the student loan debt burden so young people who are trying to get a start in life who want to do startups and want to try to buy homes and can't because of student loans get some relief. how about we invest that in a
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green new deal to help protect this sflaent how about we invest it in the things that help us build a future. that's good for our economy. and that's what the wealth tax is all about. >> it's being challenged on enforceability which i have to say when i was staff director of the senate finance committee that's one of the first ways i looked at every tax policy, can you enforce it. you mentioned, for example, someone's collection of diamonds or art or other things that can be worth we know hundreds of millions of dollars. what would you propose in enforceability for putting a value on someone's art collections or whatever it is that you subject this tax to. >> so do keep in mind, we do this anyway when the ultrawealthy die. it's not like we don't know how to value this stuff. we do it all time. frankly they value it for purposes of insurance, for purposes of sometimes using it as collateral. people do valuations.
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the key parts to this proposal says no matter where the property is held, so moving it to switzerland is not going to change whether or not you're subject to it. in fact, that's an interesting part of how the law is changing around the world. so we're getting many more reciprocal tax agreements that everybody keeps track where wealth is located and reports so it's much more visible. the second part about the proposal is built right into the proposal. it's much higher auditing. so that. >> you need more irs personnel. >> we need generally. but the ultrawealthy on this tax, remember, this is just the 75,000 richest families in america. says for those folks, there's going to be a stepped up audit procedure. you just keep collecting it on a regular basis. you had this much last year and saying you don't have this much this year, what happened.
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but remember on this, yeah, it's going to take a little paperwork. it's going to take getting people to do the valuations. but at the end of the day, it's about saying we've got to be more equitable in the distribution of what it takes to run this country and how this country builds opportunity and all throw in one more. about how we think about democracy. you know, part of what i keep talking about a lot is washington works great if you're rich. look at the tax code. washington works great if you already can hire an army of lobbyists and an army of lawyers and an army of bought and paid for experts. it's just not working for anyone else. we can't give up on that. we've got to say, we're willing to say that those who have the most got to pay. 2% a year more so that we can take some of that wealth and build opportunity for the rest of our kids.
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you said i talk a lot as a womk and you're right. i totally get it. but understand this is about big structural change and it comes out of an understanding. my daddy ended up as a janitor. but his daughter got a chance to become a public school teacher, a college professor, and a united states senator. because of investments that taxpayers made. i got to go to a college that cost $50 a semester. because of the investments that taxpayers made. that's what created opportunity in this country. today, those opportunities are shrinking up. the road is getting rockier for hard-working families and for people of color, the road is rockier than ever. that's not -- it's not right. and it's not sustainable.
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but here's the best part. in a democracy, we build the movement, we make the change. we're the ones who can make this government work again for the people. >> there's a lot of criticism of this coming from the right and coming from ruppert murdoch's own "wall street journal." that's expected. that's going to follow you throughout the campaign. the first criticism i'd like you to consider is coming from a sympathetic critic who appreciates what you're after, a "washington post" editorial saying why not tax the income on the wealth which is something we already know how to do, why nottach the income on wealth and make it a higher tax whatever that is, instead of trying to go into this valuation game on the wealth which we're not sure we know how to do. >> because then you just get people to distort over to things that don't produce. diamonds don't produce income. artwork doesn't produce income. a yacht with an imax theater on
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it does not produce income. the distortions are not what we're looking for. tax planning is not what we're looking for. besides, this really is about rigging the game. this really is about the fact that wealth has so, so shifted in this country. that top .1 of 1% that would be subject to this tax, they now own about the same wealth as 90% of america. and the way that happened is not just they worked harder or they got luckier. it's that they kept for 30 years now going to washington saying could you just change the rules just a little bit for us, just give it a little. and they come back the next year and say, could you just right over here, could you just and then maybe just a little bit more and a little bit more until the wealth just kept slowiflowi
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their direction. a wealth tax stops and acknowledges that and says, you guys scooped up all the wealth and scooped all the opportunity. you got to put a little bit back in the kitty for everybody else. so that their kids get a chance, too. >> that was part of our contender interview with democratic presidential candidate elizabeth warren. coming up, one of the democratic contenders who served in the iraq war had a powerful response to the trump administration flirting with war in iran. and donald trump's personal history of avoiding military service in vietnam. that's next. ory of avoiding mily service in vietnam that's next.
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♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today. chief continues to make threats about iran on twitter, democratic presidential contender congressman seth moulton, a decorated combat veteran who served four tours of duty in iraq, joined us with his reaction to the possibility of a trump war with iran, and congress moulton had something it 0 say about donald trump's personal relationship to military service. >> i fought iranians before on the ground in iraq. najaf 2004. it was bloody. we won. and i would fight iran again if necessary, but this is not necessarily. sending 120,000 troops into the middle east because of provocations from iran? i mean we had provocations back if september. they attacked the baghdad
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embassy. secretary mattis who has fought iranians said no, we're not going to get into a war. this is chicken hawks in the administration. i mean, if you saw a definition of chicken hawks in the dictionary, it would be john bolton and donald trump. and by the way, i think we all know who is the hawk and who is the chicken. i don't think that trump even has control over his national security adviser right now. he's trying to drag us into a war with iran just like he did 15 years ago in iraq. >> talk about what it was like to be in a war that you opposed and what did that teach you that you would bring to the oval office? >> that you shouldn't go into war until unless it's absolutely necessary. you know, i've seen marines hurt and killed. by iraqis, by iranians. you don't fight unless you absolutely have to. and i just don't think that people in this administration understand that. and donald trump you know got out of fighting in his war.
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think about the contrast between donald trump and john f. kennedy. john kennedy used his father's connections to get medically cleared to go to war. donald trump used his father's connections to lie about bone spurs so he wouldn't have to serve. and there's not, it, wasn't like there's an empty seat in vietnam because trump didn't go. someone went in his place. i'd like to meet that american patriot who the took donald trump's place in vietnam. >> someone who was are processed through the draft board in queens where donald trump's draft was deferred through that. >> and that's the point. that's why i kept going back to iraq. i didn't agree with the war. in fact, i was an outspoken critic of it. but i didn't want anyone to go in my place. and i knew that every single day in iraq being there on the ground on the frontlines i was able to effect how that war was fought much more so than being back home. and you know, that's what veterans are all about.
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they don't go to war because marines are sorries. we don't go to war because we think it's peb, this is a perfect war. we go because we don't want people to go in our place and want to make it a little bit better. that's service, that's true patriotism, not wmongering like this president is doing. >> up next, weise turn the questioning over to you. see how mayor pete buttigieg handled questions you submitted on twitter. that's next. ndled questions you on twitter that's next. one of the windiest places in america. and home to three bp wind farms. in the off-chance the wind ever stops blowing here... the lights can keep on shining. thanks to our natural gas. a smart partner to renewable energy. it's always ready when needed. or... not. at bp, we see possibilities everywhere. to help the world keep advancing.
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the thing i am most looking forward to at tomorrow night hees town hall with kamala harris is hearing the audience questions because voters always ask the best questions. when pete buttigieg joined us, here are answers to questions. >> what does he intend to do about troops in afghanistan. >> we're leaving afghanistan. the only question is whether we do it well or poorly. doing it well means we do it in the context we know the u.s. homeland won't be attacked because of something happening there. i think it's a good sign there are peace talks going on but i'm a little bit concerned with the progress of the talks and seem to involve the taliban in the u.s. but the democratically elected afghan government is being left off to the side almost as an after thought.
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i think they will have to be party to any kind of lasting peace but the bottom line is we can't be the guarantees of prosperity in an ideal situation in afghanistan. look, when i was there five years ago in 2014 as a lieutenant, i thought i was among the last u.s. troops to be there and now, we're in 2019, you can be old enough to enlist and not been alive when 9/11 happened. the departure has to be accelerated and we have to do it in a context that makes sure that we are going to be protecting the homeland so that people don't get sent over there again in the future. >> christina myers asked what is the biggest regret in your professional life, something you wish you could go back and change your if i knew then what i know now moment? >> well, early in my professional life i've turned down a job offer for the obama for senate campaign in 2004 because i had a chance to work
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for john kerry and it didn't seem like i could pass that up. i can't necessarily that's regret because if i had done that, i'm a great admirer of president obama but i'm not sure i would be doing what i am today. at every turn you go back and think about things you could have done better, certainly things on each of my campaigns that i would have done differently and molts ments in time as mayor. the most important thing, you'll make mistakes as you go. it's simply more to your credit if you make a different mistake each time. >> this from a former republican two tweets as atikus finch. he said i'm a 45-year-old white male southern and i always voted gop on conservative but reject the politics of donald trump. i believe in compromise and moderation. i'd like to vote for a democrat and will not vote for trump. what can mayor pete offer a voter like me? >> well, the good news is most americans agree on a lot of
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issues that are being presented as divisive. for example, statistically, the questioners probably one of the 80% of so republicans who believe in universal background checks. maybe part of the majority of americans believe we ought to raise wages for everybody through an increase in the minimum wage and probably part of the bipartisan majority that believes that comprehensive immigration reform is going to have to include a compromise that creates a pathway to citizenship, something to appropriately take care of dreamers who know this country is their only home. as well as whatever measures are appropriate on boarder security. these are things by the way, that was the terms of the bipartisan compromise that made it in the senate but died in the house. these are subjects of compromise among the american people but can't be delivered by the american congress right now because the center of gravity in washington is so out of whack with the center of gravity of the american people. we're even a reasonable idea among the american people command some level of support
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and respect from both sides of the isle is treated as too far out for washington to deliver. >> laura gately tweets as laura snately. why should i vote for him over the well-qualified female candidates i'm inclined to support as a woman choosing a president to make a difference for women and overall equality? >> well, i think you should choose the person you think is going to make the best president. i am who i am as everybody coming into the process is and i'm certainly passionately committed to making sure that the top leadership in this country and in our party just as i've worked hard to make sure it is in my administration reflects the full diversity of the people we serve including making sure there are women in the most senior positions and people of color and everyone else who has been under represented. i would also argue that diversity takes many shapes and
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if a millennial son of an immigrant isn't part of the diversity of our party, then i don't know what else i can say. all of us brings the unique experience that we have and i think that informs who we are and also hopefully motivates us to stand up for other people who for whatever reasons of their own have been other or disadvantaged so we're all helping each other get ahead. >> you can watch the rest of the interview with mayor pete buttigieg on our website "last word.msnbc.com. tonight's last word is next. word.msnbc.com tonight's last word is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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for our last word on this memorial day we have a couple important programming notes. tomorrow night i'll host a live town hall in south carolina with presidential candidate kamala harris, south carolina is one of the key early primary states and it is pivotal in the campaign to win the democratic presidential nomination. senator harris will make her case directly to south carolina voters and to you tomorrow night right here live at 10:00 p.m. a live last word presidential campaign event with senator kamala harris and one month from tonight june 26th and june 27th we will have the first
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democratic presidential debates right here on msnbc at this hour coming to you from miami. right here on msnbc. that is tonight's "last word." the "11th hour" with brian williams starts now. on this memorial day monday night, a look at just how far from normal we have come during this trump presidency. robert mueller's findings, the endless investigations staff turmoil, frequent departures and a look at what is to come. the race for 2020 with a wide field looking to take on donald trump. this memorial day edition of "the 11th hour" begins right now. good evening, once again, from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. this memorial day monday night is day 858 of the trump administration. an administration that has taken

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