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i could talk to these friends forever but we're out of time. my thanks to donny, al, rick. it's our two year anniversary, and i'll see you back here monday for deadline white house at 4:00 p.m. i don't think today's actually about getting information. i don't think it's about getting the unredacted mueller report. i don't think last week's hearing was about having staff question the attorney general. i think as my colleagues said earlier oit about trying to destroy bill barr because democrats are nervous he's going to get to the bottom of everything. he's going to find out how and why this investigation started in the first place. >> this is all about impeaching the president. >> good afternoon and welcome to this special edition of "am joy"
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or as we like to call it "pm joy." as house democrats consider contempt motions against barr and possibly former white house counsel don mcgahn for refusing congressional subpoenas, democratic leadership has been slower to call for impeachment, although the "i" word may be coming closer to reality, "the new york times" reports some democrats who previously urged caution are now saying impeachment might be unevitable. and house speaker nancy pelosi and using her strongest language yet. >> the president is goading us into -- wants to goad us into impeachment every single day whether it's obstruction, obstruction, obstruction of -- obstruction of having people come to the table, ignoring subpoenas and every single day the president is making a case -- he's becoming self-impeachable in terms of some of things he is doing.
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>> joining me now is joe, editor-in-chief of the national memo and author of "man of the world, the further endeavors of bill clinton." defense attorney midwin charles, jill wine-banks, msnbc contributor and former assistant watergate prosecutor, and thanks to all of you. i'm going to start here at the table. jill, there is a reluctance. we have an eagerness for republicans to talk about impeachment as if for some reason donald trump would want to be impeached. but they seem to think impeachment is something he want, which is an odd thing to think. and on the democrats' part i feel the reluctance to go there is in some ways a mismemory of what impeachment did to bill clinton. i still want everyone to read "the hunting of the president"
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which was a definitive book in my view on the impeachment. what do you think democrats have learned incorrectly about what impeachment did to clinton and what it did to the party, both parties? >> well, in the first place i think it's the wrong comparison, even though i didn't cover the nixon impeachment. i was a young teenager at the time. i think it's incomparable to that in many ways. i would say the stage we're at now is much more like a year out from nixon when senator sam irvin was running the senate watergate committee, which was not an impeachment committee. >> right. >> it was a committee whose hearings informed the public about what had happened. >> and just to be clear to what everyone is saying the sam irvin hearings, which we call the watergate hearings, they were not in the house where impeachment happens. they were in the senate. >> they were in the senate because it was prior to the impeachment inquiry. now democrats today, some of them want to move to an
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impeachment inquiry because that would increase their authority in the courts to seek documents, which the president is trying to stone wall. but the president's acting much more like nixon. i wrote a column this week about a man named john -- who you may recall. the advocate of unitary power in the presidency. >> and torture. >> and wrote the torture memo, so not a liberal. he says he's worried that trump is turning into nixon. and so i think that is the closer comparison now and that the democrats should look for ways to educate the public about what's happened. they need the mueller report to be played out on tv. they need bob mueller to testify, they need don mcgahn to testify. they need to break through there, and then we'll see whether down the road we have to have a full-fledged impeachment. >> and i'm going to move to the nixon thing but i want to say something for one moment. i agree with you this is much more akin to what was happening in 1973 than what was --
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>> i'd like to sell more copies of "the hunting of the president." >> and bill clinton went into the impeachment popular and became even more popular, and came down in the 50s after impeachment. he was not up for re-election. he'd already been re-elected towards the end, and isn't it true republicans gained from it? he was not useful to al gore the new york stock exchange time there was an election. >> the impeachment damaged him, damaged his legacy and made it more difficult for gore to take advantage of the fact they'd had a successful presidency together. >> that's right. >> it scared gore off i think mistakenly but certainly that was the effect. and there's no doubt that it was damaging in the next presidential election. >> and republicans, by the way, held the house. they lost some seats, but they held the house and the senate and then they got the white house. let's just remember the actual history correctly. joe did mention the nixon hearings. of course, you are an expert in that because although you do not look old enough to ever been
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near there, maybe they brought you out of preschool so you could be a part of it, but the reality is the nixon impeachment, the idea of impeaching him was super unpopular until those hearings happened and the public became educated to the crimes he committed. we're going to put a poll up as to whether you respond to whether or not trump is more like nixon. it looks like it's 50-50 right now. it looks like it's just about even, more people slightly saying yes according to that reuters poll. >> i have been urging from the very beginning fact finding hearings because it was a big difference in watergate. the irvine hearings were looking at what had gone wrong in terms of laws, what laws could be passed. it had nothing to do with impeachment, but it informed the american public. they were able to judge the credibility of john dean and other key witnesses. they learned along with us in the prosecution office about the
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existence of tapes that would corroborate ultimately what john dean said, and i think that like in the manafort trial where one juror who was a loyal trump supporter, paula duncan said i'm a loyal supporter and i think this investigation is a hoax and witch hunt, but the evidence against manafort was convincing and i voted to convict him on all 18 counts. and that's why we need these public hearings. we need people to be informed. and we're in a slippery slope between balancing off article i which is the powers of the congress, and article 2, which is the power of the president. and we cannot let that happen. we can't let him take over, so we have to take some action so that people will see the truth. >> yeah. and let me come to you on that very important point jill
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wine-banks made. you were a criminal defense attorney. you know the idea is you have to win over the jurors where and they have to put aside whatever their predetermined bias is. but the evidence says convict, so there are cases even with institutional bias, racial bias, there are instances where jurors were able to do that. so are the democrats not taking into account that most americans, those who are not fully trumped out, that's a third of the people. but the other two thirds will just look at the evidence. >> that's exactly right. and i said this on your show last week. i think part of the problem is democrats are sort of waiting for those ratings basically. how do people look at impeachment? and the mistake they're making is they are not taking ownership, they are not being leaders and being out front. why wait for people to want impeachment when your job ought to be to sell it, pinch it, take the lead and let people understand what's happening. only 3% of the american public
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have read the mueller report. and let's remember we shouldn't only be talking about the mueller report and russia. there's the emoluments clause, trump's violation of immigration laws with respect to how he's dealing with the migrants. there's other things for congress to be looking into with respect to impeachment. they shouldn't be putting all their eggs into the russia basket. so that's one of the things they have to do, but they have to pitch it. that is their job. and that 45% is good, and that's without the information. that's without most of americans knowing exactly what's happening. >> absolutely. let me bring in former senator barbara boxer, because this is sort of the difference in focus and the difference in nerves. and i don't mean nerves but in the nervousness to be blunt, but of the house members who have to go up for re-election again. they want to keep the majority, and for the sake of the united states and the constitution they need to keep the majority so
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there's a check and balance. so she does have to look out for that. and she also has to balance the base of the party that really wants to see impeachment happen. i'm going to play you three quick sound bites. this is nancy pelosi orn impeachment. here she is. >> impeachment is a very divisive, very divisive course of action to take. we shouldn't do it for passion or bias or -- it has to be about the presentation of fact. and it has to be about patriotism, not about partisanship. >> i think it's perfectly fair, but now let's do elizabeth warren who don't say you can't talk about impeachment and policy at the same time but this lady has a plan for everything wrong with america. >> we took an oath not to try to protect donald trump. we took an oath to protect and serve the constitution of the
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united states of america. and the way we do that is we begin impeachment proceedings now against this president. >> so, you know, senator boxer, is that the difference that the senate really has the luxury, they would only be the triers, they would only be the place where the trial took place. they don't have as much of a stake in a sense as the house members. >> yes, and i was there for the clinton impeachment. it was pretty tough going, but let me say i think the clip you played of nancy -- my friend nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house is a bit older, and i think she's moved to a different place as she watches this president stone wall. so here's what i think the house should do. i think they need to go dual track. they need to continue doing their work on health care, on making college affordable, the minimum wage, has it been raised? it's only 7:25 an hour, it
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hasn't been raised since 2000 #. they need to do gun safety. they have a list of things they need to do for the people of this country and, yes, so that those members that took seats away and we had seven here in california, could prove that they're working for the people at the same time. what was a game changer for me was the 800 former federal prosecutors. these people have no axe to grind. 800 of them saying donald trump is essentially should be indicted for obstruction. >> yeah. >> to me, that is resonating. and if you look at -- and your other guest is right. there's other things. now we have the stone walling. now we have him trying to prevent mueller from appearing before the committees. there are all the lies. he has told about, you know, trump tower moskow, dare i go on. these six or seven or eight or ten things that could be high
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crimes. so i think they have to open up these abusive power hearings while at the same time doing the work they have to do, you know, for the every day lives of the american people. >> i'll start with you, senator, and i'll go in reverse order. is impeachment inevitable? >> yes. >> do you think it's inevitable, joe? >> i think we'll probably get there. >> and i already got a yes from jill. you think it's inevitable? >> yes. >> and do you think there's any chance at all, you've served in this body, that there is any republican, even one that would vote to convict? >> hope springs eternal. i think, you know, first to question is will there be any republicans in the house who would vote to impeach before we get to that trial phase. i'll tell you something. let me tell you i've been
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looking for heroes all along, and the heroes i have found are those 800 former federal prosecutors, the republicans among them. thank you. if any of you are listening, thank god you're out there. >> are there any such heroes you've seen, joe, in your opinion? >> i agree with senator boxer, it's republicans in that group of former prosecutors. and some of the republicans are some republicans who appear on this network and talk about what's wrong with the republican party now. >> but the keyword there is former. you've been my resident skeptic on william barr, from day one. >> because when people show you who they are you have to believe them the first time. right, maya angelo said that and i think it resonates. just about everything he's doing now he said he would do it.
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>> jill wine-banks, any chance that even a single republican would vote to convict? >> in watergate we did have it, and we now have some bipartisan requests for information. senator burr and devin nunes have gone along with it, so maybe they're starting to see something. i was an early signer of that letter. i certainly agree that there's no question that donald trump has violated the obstruction of justice laws and that were he not president he would certainly have been indicted. he deserves to be. i also don't think the constitution prevents his being indicted. so i think congress has to act because otherwise there is no stopping him and doing things that will absolutely go from what is being called a constitutional crisis to constitutional collapse, and we can't let that happen. >> no stronger words than that. jill, before we go, what is your pin on this pre-mother's day
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edition of p.m. joy? >> it's for your new book. it's called sold on america, and so it's special for you. and i've sent you one to wear as well. >> jill, you know what, you have a super power with these pins. you have the exact right pin for every occasion. it's amazing. thank you so much. >> it's thanks to my twitter followers is all i can say. they send these clever pins. >> listen, they love you and they love those pins. well, thank you so much, jill wi wine-banks. i will wear the pin with pride. thank you. happy mother's day to all the moms in your lives. we love you guys. thank you very much. have a wonderful mother's day. and coming up this morning i asked joe biden's campaign advisor where the former vice president stands on what we just talked about, impeachment. and she brought a little tea to breakfast. you'll see what i'm talking about next. breakfast. you'll see what i'm talking about next
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joe vote frd td for the wal iraq. i voted against it. joe voted for the deregulation of wall street. i voted against that. you know, i think if you look at joe's record and you look at my record, i don't think there's much question about who's more
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progressive. >> i'm not going to speak ill of any democrat during this campaign unlike some democrats. that's not useful. the last thing the democratic party has to do is get in a big fight. that only benefits donald trump. >> despite the stellar weeks the two of the female candidate have had recently the 2020 democratic polls at least so far have consistently shown the top two. simone sanders who in 2016 was the national press secretary for sander's presidential campaign and fast forward today she's an advisor to biden's presidential campaign. take a listen. simone, it's good to see you. >> i'm happy to be back. hey, readers. >> welcome back. let's talk about this obsession donald trump has, to the point where rudy giuliani his tv lawyer was planning to travel to ukraine to dig up dirt not just on biden but his son.
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why do you think biden has him so shook do you think? >> can we just for a second take a moment and say we are in a very dim and dark place when the president of the united states' personal lawyer is traveling to a foreign government to try to dig up dirt on his political opponent. that is why joe biden is frankly in this race because he's running to restore the soul of this nation, the backbone of his nation and to unify our country. so i think, you know, donald trump is shook basically. he's shook. he's concerned about former vice president biden's candidacy. that's why he went on this crazy twitter rant when the firefighter union, so the vice president has got to focus on his candidacy. he's going to focus on communicating and making his case to the american people. i think donald trump is going to continue to do what he has done and act out on the internet. >> you don't want to focus on it too much because it's early and
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biden is way out in front. new hampshire voters he's at 36%, doubling sanders who's at 18% and buttigieg and harris cut down from there. if you look at african-american voters and this is one surprising to a lot of people, young black voters also biden, 35% for biden, then sanders, then kamala harris, then booker. why do you suppose that is? you chose to work for joe biden. there are a lot of diverse candidates out there. there's an lgbt candidate, an african-american man, a latino man. why is biden ahead of all this diversity when diversity is what drives the democratic party? >> look, joy, i really think that voters -- one, i want to cautious folks it is early. if you live by the polls, you
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die by the polls. the president is living by the stock market and when the stock market isn't doing well, he has to take credit for when the stock market isn't doing well. it is very early. i think what we're seeing in the polls is an excitement for former vice president biden's candidacy and an intrigue about what he's talking about. we're very clear this is going to be a fight that there are some amazing candidates in this race and that is this in fact going to be something that this primary is going to be long, is going to be robust. folks will have to be battle tested and former vice president biden is ready to get out there and make his case to the american people. he's excited about the debate coming up, and so i think that voters for the ability to make a decision. i think what's amazing about the american experiment is that we have the opportunity to go through a robust primary process, and hopefully the best candidate will emerge. now i think that best candidate is vice president biden and the person i think could take on
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president donald trump. >> but as a young black woman yourself, why shouldn't it be a woman? why not? >> who's to say it can't be a woman, joy? who's to say it can't be a black person? the voters will have to decide. i'm an operative so i'm advising vice president biden's campaign. i think he's a very formidable candidate. i said he'd be one if he got into the race months before in a number of news outlets. the voters of women have to decide. but i think vice president biden has a strong case to make, and he's going to take that case around the country to earn the votes of folks from every corner of america. >> i'm going to play the former kanld dt you supported you helped in 2016, bernie sanders going after joe biden about his fund-raising. take a listen. oh, we don't have a sound. let me read it. it's a big day in the democratic primary and we're hoping to end it strong, not in a fund-raiser in the home of a corporate lobbyist, but in a number of
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individual donations in response to today's news. may i ask why not sanders? sanders is who you believed was the best candidate before. now he is attacking the candidate you are supporting now, so why not bernie sanders? >> i think you'd have to ask senator sanders why not me? look, i can't speak to why the sanders campaign and senator sanders are taking the tone they're taking in this race. vice president biden is going to keep the bar high and substantive. we're going to talk about the issues, we're going to make our case directly to the american people, and we look forward to seeing all the candidates on the debate stage next month. >> yes, ma'am. let's talk about impeachment? let's look at the poll right here. it's now 45%-42%. there's been a lot of use of polls to discourage democrats from taking a strong stand on impeaching this president. that to me looks like a tie if you include the margin of error. is senator biden in favor of impeaching this president? >> look, i think you'll have
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to -- i think the former vice president is going to make his case. what he has said about impeachment is this. that the house and democrats and republicans on the hill have a job to do. ov oversight is an important -- look, he's a former senator. oversight is an important part of the job. if any member is falling down on oversight, if any member of congress is not doing their due diligence to get to the truth for the american people, they're not serving the american people and they're in fact towing the party line. he has said congress needs to do their job. i'm very confident and i think the vice president is confident in nancy pelosi and her leadership on the hill. so i think democrats are going to get this right, i really am. >> thank you so much to her for joining us this morning. and coming up a very interesting conversation about the red sox visit to the white house. that is next. bout the red sox visit to the white house that is next you can do this!
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this week the world series champion boston red sox went to the white house, well, some of them did. and some of them didn't. notice anything? earlier today i got to discuss
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this intersection of sports and politics and race with terence moore of team moore and bill roaden, columnist for espn's the undefeated. take a look. i want to talk about the black and latino players who didn't go, but this picture we're going to put back up again. there it is. if you look at the way it was put together and staged, the white house advance team placed one black gentleman right in camera shot of donald trump, right? he is the third base coach who's from the dominican republic. so they put him right there. you have j.d. martinez who's cuban american, right there to the left. and then you have the pitcher chris sale who was on the other side. the staging, bill, and also the fact that so many, all of the white teammates decided they'd go. >> yeah, that's the bigger picture, joy. one of the things that has to happen, and that's one of the great things in our business in that locker room, the locker
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room is where stuff gets hashed out, it's going to get hashed out. and one of things that happened with kaepernick and the nfl is a lot of a lot of white teammates who probably supported trump or whatever, they got it because a lot of their black teammates told them about police brutality, and a lot of them got it. and i think it's going to happen here because a lot of the white guys in baseball are kind of -- i don't think they really understand the pain that a lot of their -- in major league baseball about 33% are latin players, so those are going to be some hulas vegolacious -- >> theoretically nobody should go to the white house as long as donald trump is there. because once you go to the white house, to the rose garden or what have you you're supporting all these racist and crazy programs, let's talk about theoretically what should
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happen. back in 1947 remember when jackie robinson was heckled in cincinnati, they hugged and everything and everything was okay. >> '68 on the day i think it was a white or german -- >> he was ar -- peter norman. protests for the mer about the national anthem. you can count on one finger the number of black and white players who actually knelt or came out and vocally said anything. at least the black players and players of color, they are holding tight and saying we're not going to be a part of this, and that is driving donald trump crazy. >> i have so much respect for alex coria, because what he says is listen you guys see me -- my job is being a manager, but off the field i'm just to a lot of spectators, i'm just like this
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other latin guy. you've got to see me as a human being. so i have so much respect for alex, all the black players because off the field all i am is just another you know what, but we are african-americans, we're proud puerto ricans, we're latin. you've got to deal with that. hopefully -- not hopefully. after this, trust me they're going to deal with it. >> and let's play another person, david ortiz, this is what he said on monday and he said the following. when it comes down to the way immigrants has been treated it's something that goes a long way. you don't want to go and shake hands with a guy who's treatsing immigrants like -- because i'm an immigrant. you have david price who's on the red sox who kind of retracted a little bit, but he was retweeting a tweet that said it's the white sox that are going. now, he backtracked off it probably for very smart reasons to be on that team. but he amplified that tweet. >> identify, okay, i want to put
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a little in this too and i can't tell you how many championships teams i've covered where you've had controversial in the locker rooms. so that could be just a little bit overrated but one thing not overrated is once you step foot in that white house you are making a statement that you don't want to make. >> what about the baylor team? the baylor coach takes these black women and -- >> and this is college. there can be some arm twisting in college. arm twisting is scholarship, young people. >> and make them go. can we show that picture again? and there are a lot of memes that came off it. they had to go, right? we don't have the picture of them in the white house, but their faces look like grim and forcing them to stand with him in a photo-op where they're being used. >> there's no doubt. and here's the thing, to me
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there's only one person who can get around in being in a white house of color and that's tiger woods. >> like i say he's a singular guy that can get away with it. >> and he's always and you just said this he's a business -- he's designing golf courses with trump. and i wonder about him. there's ppictures of the nice ladies. tiger woods, it's not normal -- it is normal to conifer upon a great athlete in a presidential medal of freedom. this is guy who's had his own sexual scandal in the past that kind of mirrors donald trump's in a way, but also his business partner. >> and in our view going to the white house was supposedly this -- that was a big thing.
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i think the greatest exchange happened when lebron said they weren't going and the president said, well, it should be an honor. and he said it used to be before you took over. >> he let him have it. >> i think from this point ongoing to the white house is no longer a day at the beach. it's going to be a referendum. >> tiger woods right now is benefitting from what i call the mohamed ali thing. one of things that happen in white society, once you become not a threat anymore all of a sudden people love you. remember mohamed ali before he had parkinsons disease he was considered the devil. tiger woods he was considered bad -- >> tiger was never a threat. >> go back to 1997 after he won the master people went crazy. >> but he forgave fuzzy.
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>> and he also had the wrath of the black community back then. i went on oprah winfrey talking about this. because oprah called me up and blasted tiger for saying he was not black. but now he's this lovable character because he was vulnerable, people are supporting him. >> guess what i want to do, i want to make you guys do a podcast together again. this is so much fun. >> we've been doing this for a decade. >> okay, i need it to be a podcast. let's just make that happen. >> calvin coolidge, he was the first one to ask us to come to the white house and bill covered him. i remember reading the story. >> i lost control. it's over. coming up i'm going to tell you about an amazing documentary.
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what do you hope your legacy will be in. >> i hope that it will be i showed up every day and did the very best job i could to put forward the president's message, to do the best job i could to answer questions, to be transparent and honest throughout that process and to do everything i could to make america a little better than day than it was the day before. >> interesting goals coming from a white house press secretary who has held a grand total of three press briefings in all of 2019, one of which was for children and off-the-record. this white house has been no friend to the press needless to say. and this week the administration took things a step even further. stripping dozens of reporters of what in the business are called hard passes, which admit
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journalists into the white house for briefings and such, making it much more difficult for them to cover the white house. joining me now two of the columnists from "the washington post" whose hard passes were revoked this week. all right, gentlemen. jonathan, let's start with you first because i think i saw dana tweet first you then you retweeted, nope, me too. i'll let each of you guys first of all what is a hard pass and why was it taken away? >> it's a little card that allows you to get into the white house through security to go to white house press brief wrrings go to meetings with senior administration officials in the white house. it's a valuable thing to have. and once you have it, you really should do everything possible to make sure that it's renewed. however, when i got my hard pass renewed under the trump
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administration that was in 2017, and i got it because one of the nbc cameraman at the white house said once you have it, don't lose it so go and get it, so i got it. but i never went to the white house. so when i got an e-mail from the white house on march 19th saying our records show that you haven't been -- in the last 180 days you've been to the white house 50% less of the time, therefore your pass is expired, i didn't think anything of it. i thought, well, they got me. i haven't been since january -- actually april of 2017. so, fine, okay you can have it. but it wasn't until i read dana's column this week where i realized oh, holy smokes it wasn't just that this was a systematic thing, and that's why i retweeted dana's piece saying yep, me too. >> exactly. so dana, before i go to a tweet
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you tweeted out a bit from your piece, journalists will qualify to renew their hard passes as just was mentioned by jonathan only if they enter the white house grounds at least 50% of the time 180 days before renewal. it sound like okay this is just a mundane policy. but you wrote, you said white house officials offered me and others if disqualified a lesser credential called a six month pass. they sail it will grant equivalent access but for various technical reasons that isn't true. can you explain? >> first of all, jonathan and i will be fine. the problem is we're just two of at least dozens maybe hundreds of people they won't say how many they've took out, but the problem is 90 out of 180 days, that's calendar days, not working days. so that's basically 7 out of ten working days. not a single "the washington post" correspondents qualified of the seven.
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and donald trump is barely in the white house that much. >> he's in there watching tv, dana. >> he's certainly not having public events, and they don't have briefings. there's no reason to be in the white house. so basically this followed the whole jim acosta thing. they said, all right, we're going to come up with criteria -- criteria that nobody essentially meet, so basically even the people they readmitted under exceptions, which is basically everybody, they're basically -- you know, they're sort of there on a temporary basis. it's probationary. they can take those press passes away from anybody anytime they want. so anybody is essentially walking on egg shells now. so, yes, jonathan and i could have this six-month pass. it's harder to get in. there'll be more delays. that's really the smaller piece of this. the larger piece is everybody essentially in the white house press corp is on probation serving there at the pleasure of sarah sanders. >> and that is pretty
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extraordinary, jonathan, because it implies that they're essentially saying be nice to donald trump or get out. >> yeah, and i haven't. even for me the idea as much as i hate losing my hard pass, i haven't been there for any meetings with anybody in the white house since january 18, 2017 when susan rice the then national security advisor had a final sit down with journalists. that was the last time i was actually inside the white house for an official meeting. so i mean but to dana's point the larger issue here is this white house contrary to what sarah huckabee sanders says, is not being -- is not about being transparent, and we know from the president on down and not about being honest either.
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and so this is a good way for them to choke off the amount of information and the number of people who are allowed in the white house who actually are there to report news, and as yearnalists, you know, the saying is we write the first draft of history. well, when there are no press briefings and they're limiting the number of people who can actually come into the white house for anything, there are no first drafts. >> presumably it'll just be fox news and breitbart. a lot of people do ask me this question and so i'll & it to you. why did the press writ large wait for this to happen? why didn't the people in the media literally unplug the microphones and walk out? why doesn't the press just walk out and throw the hard passes on the ground and just walk away? >> you know, we're not very good at coordinated concerted action. people are competitive. everybody wants an advantage over the other. but the other, though, is the
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white house is fairly clever about this. they don't do it all at once. first they'll stop doing the briefings. they'll do the gaggle in the driveway and maybe they'll stop doing the briefings at the pentagon and state department. then they're going to have fewer open press events for the president. they're going to have him just covered by the pool, they're going to limit the numbers for the organization. it comes in sort of a drip, drip, drip. and before you realize it we've dramatically scale back on press access. and i think we're there already, so i fully expect in the coming months we're going to see more people under this probationary policy have their press passes yanked. i suspect we'll have another sort of muted outcry. >> exactly. donald trump has made it pretty clear he wants positive press, that he only wants positive press, and it does feel like authoritarianism a bit. john? >> no, absolutely.
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and just to put a finer point on this, i know two other journalists who got an e-mail from the white house saying our records show that you have been to the white house more than 50% of the time in the last 180 days, so your hard passes have been renewed. here's the interesting piece. neither one has been to the white house more than 50% of the time. >> but they were nice, though. you have to be nice. >> that's exactly it. >> be nice to trump. you always have a hard pass to come on "am joy," how about that? happy mother's day to the moms in your lives. that's it for me today. saturday night politics is next. saturday night politics is next. incomparable design makes it beautiful. state of the art technology makes it brilliant. the visionary lexus nx. lease the 2019 nx 300 for $359 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.
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