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if you have one unicorn, how do you get two? never judge a pook by its cover. honestly, it would be a lot easier if you could. all right, that answered my question at least what do you do with the extra tusk or horn or antler. that's all for tonight. we'll be tomorrow with more "mtp daily." we begin tonight with the first time the american public has ever heard a recording of donald trump speaking when he thought no one was listening to his lawyer michael cohen. this tape is by donald trump's former lawyer, and it is of their private conversation, and it's about not normal planning or random stuff, just take in tonight what we're talking about, secret payments allegedly planned to be made to a former playboy model who claimed she had a relationship with then candidate trump. so let's break down exactly what we know and don't know. not everything on the tape is bad. for example, for the president. but let's go through it.
here's part of the tape where they appear to be discussing buying karen mcdougal's story from the "national enquirer." this audio originally broke on cnn. but michael cohen's current lawyer, lanny davis, has authenticated it for nbc. we have not confirmed, though, what happened around the tape, whether it was edited or altered. take a listen. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david. i'm going to do that right away. i've spoken to allen about how to set the whole thing up with -- >> so what are we going to do -- >> yes. and it's all the stuff, all the stuff. because here you never know whether that company -- so i'm all over that. >> he's all over it. what they're discussing, appears to suggest concern about a third
party owning this story, this claim that could be problematic for trump, even if the third party would be the long-time friend referred to as david, which given what we know about the story is widely understood to be david pecker, a friend of donald trump's and the owner of the "national enquirer." three key things, first, after months of hints, there is now actual proof donald trump's lawyer was secretly recording him. second, trump does appear to have known about aspects of this arrangement for a tabloid to try to help him by buying mcdougal's story. that means the denies from his camp about it were lies that he directed. third, there's an implication here of some type of plan to use this third party, a tabloid company, to benefit donald trump. with that in mind, listen to more from the recording. >> you never know where that company. >> -- >> correct, i'm all over that. i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing. >> listen, what financing?
>> we'll have to pay. >> pay with cash? >> no, no, no. >> no, no, no, don't pay cash. is a clear and important message cohen wanted to impart. to be clear and fair, that tape abruptly ends. trump's lawyers, they're fighting all about what it means. trump said he wanted to pay in cash. it appears. but there's a debate about that as well. the central point here is the question of whether trump, cohen or this tabloid broke any laws together or separately. the wall street journal reporting that cohen did set up a shell company to buy mcdougal's story, that shows intent to make this happen, also important he didn't purchase the rights. any other -- some other form of payment, some other plan, or conspiracy to use the legal word to make this all happen? or, did it never happen, in which case, as donald trump has argued, maybe it's not so bad after all. and was everyone honest when
speaking to the authorities in person or through documents about this? and another big question after all the buildup with this tape out, when you take it all together in fairness, does it help donald trump or does it hurt him? that's a question we begin with former federal prosecutor john flannery and with the school of government. get your view as a prosecutor, not as a critic of donald trump's policies or a critic of his judgment. does anything on this tape, in your view, legally hurt the president? >> absolutely. and, in fact, if you listen to the beginning of the tape, there's a very interesting thing happening. you hear a rustling, which i think means cohen turned on his recorder before he went to the meeting. and he knew he was going to tape it. and it goes off when he says no, no, no, a check. cohen was protecting himself, and when he got to the meeting, he probably took it out of his pocket, pretended to be checking e-mail and put it down between the two of them and then taped
the conversation. >> you're putting out a theory. you don't know that for a fact. you're suggesting it was bad stuff cohen wanted to get on record for himself. no, i'm not about some secret cash payment that could blow up in our face. >> i think it's worse than that. he knew before the meeting what the meeting was about. that's my inference from this evidence. i've had tape recordings in which it's all muffled, the thing is hidden in the jacket pocket somewhere and he gets there and takes it out and plays with it and puts it down and he tapes the conversation from that point on. we see the context is entirely about campaigns. they're talking about pastors in the south, and he has some gruff talk about that. they talk about are we going to have to worry about my divorce? is any of that going to come out before the election? the whole context is the election, then they talk about, can i trust them to have this? maybe we should do something to protect myself, should we buy it? how should we do this? now, i think here's the interesting thing, trump is the
kind of person that if you tell him, oh, no, no, we should do by check, you think he doesn't come back and do it by cash, and consider pecker's position -- >> again, that's conjecture, what i'm interested in tonight is whether the stuff on the tape is bad for him. let me go to -- this is a man who had a professional obligation to his client. he hasn't been released from that obligation. he bragged about his loyalty. take a listen to him talking about attorney/client privilege. >> i'm going to be the personal attorney to mr. trump, but i'm going to remain technically in the same role for mr. trump for president trump as i was when he was president of the trump organization. >> can i assume that in that role, not being a government role, that you'd have attorney/client privilege with president trump? >> yes, of course. >> it would appear michael cohen's breaking that privilege today. >> i don't think michael cohen
cares right now. i think michael cohen cares about michael cohen's -- what's going to keep michael cohen out of the hot seat. and so there have been rumblings, his lawyer said he's willing to make deals, willing to talk, and that's what i think donald trump should be really concerned about. because now we're talking about somebody who knows where the bodies are buried. he knows all of the dirty and salacious details. we already know that donald trump has a complete disregard for ethics, rules and regulations. but now we actually have somebody on the inside who is saying well, no, actually i have tapes and this is how it was done. so right now, michael cohen is concerned about getting himself out of any kind of legal or criminal possibility. >> it's important when you say if the bodies were lawfully buried and died of natural causes, he still has an obligation to his client. if he's part of burying bodies that he killed, then other obligations would kick in. i want to broaden this out to
two people who already know where bodies are buried. the executive editor of the "new york times," and jesse otto who has been on the trump campaign advisory board and brings to us a perspective, i wonder your response on behalf of the trump perspective hearing all this. >> as the former prosecutor said it was a muffled tape because of the way it was recorded. what we're seeing is a lot of people they're saying they're hearing one thing. until we get more clear tape, we're not sure. >> who is yani, is michael cohen yani? i know michael. i am extremely shocked by what he did. i cannot imagine recording my clients without their consent, he's on his worst behavior right now. >> are you disappointed in michael? do you think he's done something wrong with respect to his obligations with the campaign you both served? >> i am disappointed,
absolutely. >> i won't get into whether i'm disappointed in either the president or michael cohen. i'm not surprised, let me say. this cohen/trump soap opera is in its second year now, and we've got a new taactor. lanny davis i've known for quite a long time. he got his black belt in street fighting defending bill clinton during the lewinsky thing. and i see, this is davis and cohen serving notice, not just to the president, but to rudy that you're no longer the only bully on the block. >> and that they'll take control of news and events, much speculation about why we're hearing about this now, and how it fits into other stories, border security, immigration, and putin, which we're covering later tonight. let's listen to lanny davis who
confirmed he is the source of the tape, that tells you this is material they do think will hurt the president. here's more from lanny davis as this story broke. >> and there are more tapes of donald trump? >> there are certainly more tapes that mr. cohen has discussed that he normally did in order to take notes. he used his telephone, beyond that, i'm not going to comment. >> so i'm hearing more tapes, howell and a kind of defense that i don't think is that good for a lawyer, i was secretly recording to take notes, most lawyers would say if you're doing something on behalf of your client, it doesn't need to be a secret. you would say howell, i need to memorialize this thing, and turn your tape recorder on. >> no. this administration and this particular episode had become a hospice where reputations go to die. >> beautiful. >> and so, again, to repeat with lanny's entry, now i think we've
got big muscular players on the field who may not be afraid to bend the rules. >> well, given the writer that you are, it is a flourish of a phrase. i give you the rebuttal. >> we don't know who's on the other tapes, what's on the other tapes. to skepticize at this point is too early. what he did was wrong. they've waived attorney/client privilege in terms of letting them out. we'll see what happens. >> i think we're very close to lanny cooperating. i'm not so sure we have mr. cohen cooperating yet. and i think that if he were, the southern district wouldn't have allowed this to happen and it might blow the whole deal. i'm also interested if we follow the scenario they were having in that conversation if you went to mr. pecker and you said to him, do you mind selling us this, i think he would say no, he'd say there's no trail away from me. this appears to be a judicial -- excuse me, appears to be a newsman's decision not to run
the story. if you come in and buy it, then you reveal exactly your role in the entire event. he might have wanted to be paid. that's hypothetical. >> to use a legal term, hs the funkiest part of the whole story. what is a self-declared tabloid media publication doing in the middle of all this? it doesn't mean donald trump did something wrong, although he could have, but it does mean this tabloid is here doing what, political favors for a presidential campaign. i want to play and get your response, this is her lawyer on that question when we discussed it. >> all right. >> if your client made this deal with the "national enquirer," why was michael cohen involved? >> it's the $64 million question. >> or is it the $130,000 question depending on the case? >> 150 in ours.
>> you don't know? >> we don't know. >> do you think it's nefarious. >> of course it's nefarious. >> i think it's the $25 question. what does a tabloid with the high standards that the "national enquirer" have walk away during an election, pays $150,000 when the election is in november, and decides, oh, it's not up to our high standard, or is it the long-standing relationship with trump and the conversations had with cohen, and probably trump who's his friend who is more concerned he get killed in traffic than to own the story. >> if they did that for political benefit -- >> done. >> or lied to authorities about it, are those felonies? >> yes. >> and i would be interviewing pecker tomorrow if he hasn't been interviewed by the southern district yet. >> i'm sure donald trump is out there listening to some camron and wishing people would stop snitching because this is all bad. no matter which you cut it, even if you say nothing legal was done here, it looks incredibly
bad. we have another case of a cover-up, the "national enquirer" acting as a political organization. we have a trusted lawyer breaking that confidence, or at least the lawyer's lawyer breaking that confidence to say i'm ready to speak, i'm ready to talk. >> you're saying he said no snitching. i think it was kanye who said i got a lawyer to keep what's in my safe safe, and tonight we're learning what's in michael cohen's safe is not safe anymore. special thanks to john flannery and madison otto. coming up, michael avenatti is here live to talk about what he think the tapes mean. top aides gets grilled on capitol hill. >> did the president tell you that he discussed relaxing russia sanctions or not, yes or
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he said it was going to happen in the fall. now the white house curiously revising and saying it will be pushed to sometime next year, and this is where it gets a little hinky. trump officials say it will come when the russia witch hunt is over. meanwhile, donald trump's secretary of state mike pompeo facing tough questions today about trump's meeting with putin. >> we really need a clear understanding as to what is going on, what our president is agreeing to, and what our strategy is on a number of issues. we saw an american president who appeared submissive and deferential. >> did he tell you what transpired in the two-hour meeting. >> i've had a number of conversations with him about what took place in the meeting. >> did you speak to the translator who was at that meeting? >> no, i haven't. >> did the president tell you he discussed relaxing russia sanctions or not, yes or no? >> presidents are entitled to have private meetings.
>> joining me is jess mcintosh. congress is supposed to do its oversight job, put aside the rhetoric and the drama of the putin meeting and actually say does congress want a different russia policy? >> yes. trump's cabinet is put in a horrific position by having to answer questions that involve facts because they don't know them because the president hasn't been forthcoming at all with what happened with the one-on-one meeting with putin. >> you're making a point in fairness to secretary pompeo, he's not a liar, but he may work for a liar who hides things from him. >> it comes back on his character that he works for a liar. i have sympathy, he doesn't know what putin and trump said, nobody knows but putin and the cabinet. we're in the dark.
>> secretary pompeo, riding the wave of the points you're educating us on, many people inside the kremlin know more than our secretary of state. >> significantly. >> that's chilling. >> absolutely. you see the defense ministry in russia saying we're thrilled to agree to the terms the president and putin decided. at this point pompeo can either say, yeah, they had a meeting, went really well, agreeing with what donald trump says in public, or try to pretend that that's not what he said. he's stuck in this untenable position where he has to say, actually, the president's been really hard on russia when we all know it's the opposite. it's not something that he can keep up. it's not a sustainable thing. we're going to see these cabinet members come forward and self-immilate quickly. that's what you do when you're working with someone that's a congenital liar. >> i find jess's analysis
insightful and a little depressing. >> i would think so. to a large extent, this was -- there was a lot of theater here. the senators know he doesn't know what he's talking about. pompeo knows he doesn't know what he's talking about. pompeo knows they know he doesn't know what he's talking about. on some level, this is just to sort of exclaim this is very problematic that we're all in the dark here. we have no idea what's going on. >> you mentioned that, and then you look at the wider context outside of what happened in the meeting itself, which is where having said things in fairness to pompeo, he -- and this is all developing news, getting it into our newsroom as he's been doing the hearing, he did not comport himself very well and that is in playing word games to defend or suggest that the president has not drastically undermined our own intelligence agencies, which remains a huge issue here. let's take a look at this exchange, also, with senator corker.
>> what is it that causes the president to purposely, purposely create distrust in these institutions and what we're doing? >> senator, i disagree with most of what you just said there. you somehow disconnect the administration's activities from the president's actions. they're one and the same. every sanction that was put in place was signed off by the president of the united states. >> i mean, this shows what a bind republicans are in. of course, we're only seeing the ones who have decided they're not going to run for reelection actually press the members of the administration, which is why you see corker seeming to uphold democracy, the rest of his colleagues decide that's not their job, running for reelection is. >> the policy is really on donald trump, so much of the answers he gave were really less for the senators and more for donald trump. even when he said he didn't want to talk about what was going on
with north korea publicly, i mean, look, if things are going well, i'm sure that we would have heard about it, and it's either he doesn't want donald trump to hear how things are going, or he doesn't want to put donald trump in a uncomfortable situation where the rest of the country hears from the secretary of state that everything donald trump said was gained in those meetings with north korea were actually nothing. >> right. then you have an exchange with senator murphy of course, more on the democrats' side. take one look at this. >> what do you make of his most recent statement -- >> senator, i'll leave you, you can speculate, you can draw whatever inferences you want for whatever purposes you so choose. here's what i can tell you. >> there's no inference. it's a statement from the president in which he says that the russian interference in the u.s. election is a hoax from july 22nd. there's no inference i need to draw from that. that's the president's statement. >> senator, you are certainly trying to draw inferences about the american policy. and i am laying out for you
american policy. >> well, i mean, he's drawing inferences because there's a lot of different mixed messages coming from donald trump and the administration. pompeo can say we're all on this together but it really is a function of him saying to the president, hey, i'm still on your team, and i will get your back here. but we're not -- none of this is the normal process of the way that we formulate these type of foreign policies where there is some buy-in from all elements of our government. and there's no buy-in because there's no understanding of what the policy is. >> i didn't get to grow up in a banana republic. i don't know how they usually work. but i imagine that they involve an authoritarian figure head who has a lot of very well trained sycophantic yes men around them. that is the only way they are able to stand up and say the economy is growing when people are starving, and the weather is
beautiful when it's raining. trump is trying really hard to be that figure, and the question is, do the rest of the republicans around him fall in line and allow that to happen? >> that speaks to a political point that can get lost here, which is if you don't care about the ethics and the rules of all this, and donald trump just wanted to do domestic poll t politicking and put this all in the rear view, didn't have some reason, ego or debt, or nefarious reasons in the dossier and elsewhere, for placating russia, he wouldn't have to go act like that with putin, then suck up to him, and then say he's got a white house invite. at a certain point. it doesn't look like a debate that happened over 2016 that people are roar sharking, it looks like a thing that's happening in slow motion before our eyes. >> absolutely. it stretches the imagination that donald trump came in with a very sophisticated foreign
policy agenda. honestly. and the actions that he's taking are not even consistent with somebody who's trying to prove that he's not -- look, it feels like someone who's being leveraged. the idea that even the notion you would have, based upon -- even if it was all spurious, all the accusations, the suspicions were spurious, if you're donald trump and you're acting like a politician, you don't schedule another meeting with putin right before the election. >> i've got to fit in a break. you stay, because i want to hear more from you as we do our special -- less depressing, an versely celebration. sam seder, as always, thanks for being here. michael cohen tapes to russia probe, is the pressure getting to donald trump? donald trump rages against, quote, reality itself. that's a real thing. and my power house panel tonight, bill crystal back together with the great fat joe, plus leah wright gore, plus jess macintosh, that's next.
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the news tonight is that donald trump's open challenges to fact and truth itself are getting bolder. i have a very special panel of some of our favorite guests of the year, including fat joe with bill crystal, jess mcintosh, and leah wright rigueur. some critics have said, donald trump is effectively lying to and gaslighting america and getting people nervous about what the facts are, and what sources they should rely on. "the new york times" is now reporting that he, quote, raged at his staff for having someone else's television, the first lady, tuned to cnn, a news network, instead of fox, his aides also working to, quote, keep him insulated from the outside world. and all of this is the context for something we reported right here on "the beat," the president of the united states saying people should not believe
the things they see with their own eyes. >> this country is doing better than it's ever done before economically. but it's all working out. and just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> and i bring in our very special panel here on our one-year anniversary celebration. fat joe. >> congratulations, i got my brother here, the dynamic duo. twitter loves us, man, they love us. >> brother crystal. >> biggest ratings of the year when we're on. >> you sound a little bit like the president when you talk about -- >> totally. >> fat joe, in music, as in many other walks of life, where facts and truth and credibility matter, people talk a lot about keeping it real. is donald trump keeping it real? why is it important to him to tell people don't believe cnn, or whatever channel, and don't
believe what you're seeing with your eyes? >> we've never seen nothing like this before. and it's so weird because you've got like half of america following the donald trump playbook. then you've got the other half, you know what i mean, who doesn't agree with nothing they're doing. i have the weirdest conversations at the airport, somebody who's for trump is just like they don't want to hear nothing we've got to say, and vice versa. you've really got people almost like zombies to donald trump, they believe whatever he has to say, even though we know it isn't true. >> well said. i'm just his echo, his second man. >> it's kucalled a hype man. >> you know this stuff better than i do. >> when you introduced us. he said, why are you the great fat joe. >> why aren't the rest of us? you know what i mean? >> i agree, actually, look, it
is -- you have a very divided country, very polarized country. the president has given up on trying to persuade anyone not on his side already, i think. if he mobilizes his base, he avoids too bad an outcome this november, and maybe the democrats mess up enough that he gets himself reelected. it's doing damage to the country. the degree of just flatout lying and sort of constructing alternative realities is genuinely shocking. >> joe says he's got fans in the airport who like trump and they have a different set of facts. you have a lot of allies, former friends, maybe current friends in the conservative movement who are, by and large, down with this. what do they say to you and do you think they are being factually challenged at times? >> the intelligent ones say, look, of course he exaggerates and lies sometimes and doesn't have high moral standards, the tax cuts, the judges, the country's not falling apart, the economy's growing, we're at war. put up with this. for me, the big question is this, people now can say that, what happens the day after election day this year when it
becomes a decision about the next four years? people can say i'm willing to tolerate him now. i don't agree with this. they can say that. are they willing to say -- give him an additional four years? that's where i think the trump nushls a nus numbers and polls are leading. >> that's an important point. he's turning the vice on republicans. like, they were -- they could do the tax cut thing until he started putting children in cages. then it became hard to say tax cuts because you sound inhumane when you do that. what's really chilling is that his staff, these republicans who know better, who actually do see the issues that this is causing the country somehow want to keep him isolated from other viewpoints. the idea that he subsists in this little conservative echo bubble where nobody ever challenges him and there's no political ramifications for these insane things you're doing, as a staffer i would want him to know that there was real
political consequence for some of the things that he did and said. when he lied, that hurt him. if you watch fox news only you would never know that there were any repercussions, that he was losing anything in the polls, that everybody didn't simply love him. as a staffer it's very strange that it's preferable to keep your boss in the dark. that suggests something really bad is going on. >> the staff are willing to tell him something, general mcmaster is willing to say, sir, you cannot do this. gary coen, saying you should not do tariffs, they're gone. this is the problem, i think. trump seems more unhinged, as you were saying earlier on. >> and reporting earlier on. >> people around him had some standing and ability to push back. fewer and fewer of those in the white house. >> everybody bought into it because he had real reliable people at first around him. and then everybody kept dropping off, you know, and now it's like, you know, it's just a trump show. either you're with him or you're not down. >> right. and that there's really very
little tolerance for it. look at the "washington post" count. this is something that separates him from literally every other president. we've had controversial presidents. but 3,251 false or misleading claims within two years. it's more than five times any other president. >> sir, you're essentially talking about a president who has been doing the in my feelings challenge every single day of his presidency for, you know, since november 2016. he is asking america, do you love me? and he only wants one answer, yes, i do love you. and which is why it continues to go over and over and over again. what he wants to be surrounded by yes people, loyal people, people who, you know, reiterate his points, say, yes, you absolutely are right. so this is -- you know, this is somebody who has constructed his own reality, not just from day one, not just from the start of his campaign, but his entire life has been about constructing a reality. that donald trump is the greatest. and then getting pretty upset, getting in his feelings when
he's not. >> the persona for him has always been emotional. it's always been bullying. that's one thing that strangely is consistent while he's obviously reinvented things, businesses when they went bankrupt, profession when he became a media star. let's look at donald trump on the "today" show. here's classic donald trump talking about screwing people when he was a young man. >> if i get the opportunity to screw any of the people that indirectly were not so helpful to me as they should have been, i will take that advantage. >> he's polarizing, joe, but that's the persona that part of the country and a record high number of republicans, highest republican support for a republican president since bush 9/11 are still behind. >> yeah. well, morally it's wrong. so it just seems like everybody feels like, yo, we got a republican, we're riding for him, don't care what he does or
says, what his policy is at the border. whatever he does, we're riding with him. it's so partisan, i just want to see the human beings come out and say, you know, this is wrong. you know, and that hasn't been happening since the beginning of his presidency. and we've been waiting for somebody to become humanized, somebody to say, you know what, he's wrong. and john mccain, you know, he's been the one, you know, to go up against trump. and the guy gave himself to this country and done everything, and they're writing him off. like, you know, you're the past. we're rolling with trump. and that's crazy. >> i think what's really sad is that you can't just flip this one backwards. something had to go very, very wrong in this country for him to be elected in the first place. and that means we can't just say, oops, this is an aberration. it's not an aberration. >> what was the silent majority? he's actually brilliant. he had a game plan, guys. i don't know if you all know
that. he was waving it in our face the whole time, the silent majority. >> we're the media, we don't know anything. >> the guy next to you is really voting for him, but he ain't saying it, he was going after that guy to begin with. you can't look at the polls. you can't even take the polls serious no more. you have to act as if he's up 100 points. that's it. because everybody thought he was going to lose. all the polls said he was going to lose, and he won. so, like, you have to run like we're losing. >> yes, absolutely. >> even if you're ahead. >> he started this campaign by vilifying mexicans and playing to a white, racist xenophobic base, and it worked. it's not so much that donald trump was the thing that coughed up out of all this, but that we had that much racial animosity about having a successful black president to begin with.
we can't say donald trump is an aberration and we're sorry and let's take it back, never speak of him again because something was so wrong in america that that kind of campaign could win in the first place. >> 9% of obama voters, 9% of -- voted for obama in 2012. there was a real -- he was a candidate of change. he was lucky, too, not forget that. huge republican field. >> a big russia assist. >> he starts against jeb bush, and then went against hillary clinton. embodies the status quo. people want change. >> he bodied people who embodied the status quo. >> russia helps him, comey helps him, a lot of things happen, but it's happened. >> it was that it was that close. quick break. the whole panel stays. leah, i want to get some from you. we are celebrating our special night, we've been on the air now for a year. we'll show you the best moments in 30 seconds.
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>> the premiere of "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> the first look at previously secret documents. >> democrats, republicans are going to want to talk to mr. trump. >> he is a man who carries out orders. that's important news about that meeting. congratulations on this, and i'm super jealous. >> i think we've run out of coffee boys here. every time someone gets a -- they just say that's the coffee boy. >> are you prepared to be held in contempt and go to jail? >> isn't this ridiculous. >> it's not ridiculous. the first person to have played donald trump is a porn star. >> mary, let me say merry christmas to you. >> we have to respect laws. >> go on. >> well, that's it. >> it's like dangling this shiny object. >> any dude that has a comb over like that lies to himself all the time. >> for a dollar, define collusion. >> oh, god, it's when you colewd. >> you know under the law that is an admission of guilt.
>> i'm not a lawyer, thank god. >> if you had to be on an island with one of our current senate colleagues, it would be -- >> it's like a bouquet of flowers. how would i pick one? >> i'm at the schaumburg center for research of black culture in harlem. >> there's not a woman in america who isn't now reliving some experience. >> we are in a different place now in 2018 than we were in 2016. >> we're shifting the blame and the shame to the actual harassers. >> i can't tell you the effect it had on me. it was -- it was internal. >> there is a saying in television news of a hard turn. >> oh, i know a hard turn, and luckily, i can make one. >> i think you need to fall back and not give your guest homework before they come on the program. >> fat joe, it's about us, it's about trust, it's what i remember. you're not shouting out bill kristol. >> i've seen him on tv. but i don't know the man like
that yet. >> bill, we don't know you like that. >> ispeechless. >> i'm the original beatnik on your show. >> it's real life, fantasy, this is real life. >> there you have it. >> this time i think chuck was funnier. >> oh, come on, stop it. stop. >> we end the week, nancy, with bill kristol just burning me. >> i want a hug like that too. >> you're getting one next time i see you. >> the model of the white house seems to be cash rules everything around me, dollar, dollar bills. >> there is a famous kevin gates song, about having two phones, one for the plug, and one for the load. >> there's nothing wrong with having a blackberry. >> you're on a street light sesame. >> if that's your girl, why you texting me? i don't know if we should go that far. >> i don't know if you ever listen to regular guy.
he had a song "legalize it". >> no, i have not. >> this is not met gala drag, this is casual. this is everyday drag. >> it's dangerous for me to even step into the political arena. poopety scoop. >> that's how we end all of our interviews. >> i'm trump now. >> sean penn, the novelist must be stopped. >> you know you're popping when you have more than one nickname. >> camilla harris is -- >> i appreciate you spending some time on "the beat" tonight. >> thank you so much, be gone. >> thank you, sir. >> what can i say, we try. that is how we remember this year. thanks to everyone. when we come back, the whole panel weighs back in, fat joe, bill kristol, jess macintosh, leah wright rigueur. t can i get♪
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as promised, back with me. fat joe, bill crystal, lea right. >> there was something you were going to say about trump and truth. >> trump is a symptom. he is not the problem. that he is in this case, it is actually exacerbated pre existing problems. or better yet, exposed the rot. one of the things that we have seen is that he has put a spotlight on resistance, on people who are challenging and i think that is one of the things
that gets overlooked particularly in an era, a chaotic era, which is people that are running for office, and people making huge strides out of necessity but in a way that is incredibly valuable and significant. >> yeah, we are seeing electorates change dramatically in ways i never thought would be possible. if progressives were able to figure out how to make our people turn out in local elections, and midterms and specials, the same way we turn out for presidential elections, that would be the ball game. we have seen the ground swell of people who realize they have a serious stake. we are seeing special election turnouts at 46% which is usually 9%. this could be, i hate to say worth it, because it is truly
terrible to tons of families across america. but a chance that it spurs such a backlash of activism that we change the political structure. >> if it would be somewhat accidental if you buy the theory that trump got to be president by accident. >> yeah, it could be a healthy reaction to something even if it is accidental. he is making it so much worse. you can talk about symptoms and the culture and all kinds of things that are wrong, but having a president, a lot of demagogues, a lot of liars, irresponsible leaders. we haven't had one as president of the united states. using his standing, his office to make things worse in terms of the discourse.
>> we dropped the ball and we have to reflect on ourselves and say did we do enough and now we have to do more. with all of these races and everything coming up. we will not let donald trump become president for a second time. >> that's how you feel? >> i know so. >> thinking about this year, i want to do one weird thing at the end. i don't know if you know, sometimes we do weird things. >> it is amazing this show has been on for a year. your boss is to. >> 2018 in one word. >> since 2018 is about breaking the rules, chaos, but opportunity. >> what trump is doing to
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that is our show. one programming update. we announced michael avenatti to be on the show tonight, and he got stuck in court. he will join us another night. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. pay off. let's play "hardball." >> i am chris matthews in washington. release of the taped conversation between president and his long time fixer lawyer, michael cohen. getting a glimpse of his true self. the tape is real. but we do not know whether it has been altered or not. let's listen. >> i need to open up