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history. the president embarrasses us. his performance this morning in brussels is one example. he has a problem with angela merkel and with justin trudeau. it seems to be some kind of jealousy, the jealousy the young feel when they see somebody else with better toys or a nicer dress. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> we are protecting everybody and paying a lot of money to protect. >> the president picks a fight with germany. >> frankly putin may be the easiest of them all. who would think. >> traitor.
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>> then paul manafort's in jail. >> corporations cheering the president's supreme court pick. and why as besto has trump's face on it. >> i am chris hayes, not even the folks on russia state tv, could not believe the way u.s. president treated american allies today.
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>> that is the verdict from russian state tv. going back to the soviet union of severing western alliance. after repeatedly blasting nato on twitter, the president kicked things off by publicly insulting america's ally. >> germany is getting 60% to 70% of their energy from russia. and if you tell me if that is appropriate. and it is a bad thing from nato and i think we have to talk to germany about it >> the figure is wrong. germany is totally controlled by russia. germany was controlled by russia half of it, for a long time. look at the face of the aides,
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according to an actual official statement from the white house press secretary quote, kelly was displeased because he was expecting a full breakfast and there were only pastry and cheese. the president was misrepresenting germany's energy supply. reminding reporters that she in fact grew up in east germany under soviet control. >> look, from everything i see has no respect for this person. >> well that's because he would rather have a puppet as president of the united states. >> you're the puppet. >> pretty clear that you won't admit. >> no puppet. >> the president's -- america's closest allies.
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today he continued to portray the nato alliance. demanding that member states pay up more money. nato members including the u.s. contribute a certain share of gdp. one suspects the details are beside the point. he is lashing out at democratic allies while under mining law. he is embracing strong men like vladimir putin who the president appears to be eager to meet with next week. plus the two of them, plus interpreters. >> i have nato, i have the uk which is in turmoil. and i have putin, frankly, putin may be the easiest of them all.
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>> i am joined by bob menendez of new jersey. what did you think of the president's harangue of the german chancellor this morning? >> the president gives the back of the hand to our allies. and embraces authoritarians like putin. and here they have an american president doing the work for them. i guess putin's investment in the last presidential election is paying off big time in brussels. just to be clear, the president calling for everyone to pay more and more of their budget, presumably putin doesn't want that, right? >> no. he don't want that, but of course when the president calls for a figure that even the united states is not doing, he is once again creating a wedge
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with our allies. you know, germany, particularly that he took on germany, it has been the bullwork of making sure that sanctions against russia for invading ukraine and annexing crimea and undermining democracy, including our own. so, undermining, germany, undermining the alliance does play in putin's hand. >> your senate colleagues took an unusual trip to moscow over the recess. it was not a bipartisan delegation. they came back and ron johnson senator from wisconsin had this to say.
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i have been pretty up front that the election interns -- positively negatively and seems to suggest the time may be to withdraw sanctions against russia. what do you think about that? >> incomprehensible and irresponsible. dancing to the tune of sanction russian duma. there is no way and that is why i forced a vote today on the question of making reaffirming that no sanctions should be lifted against russia for so long as they continue to occupy crimea and continue to be invaded in eastern ukraine which passed overwhelmingly.
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the reality is this is totally irresponsible and if this was going on, if these comments were going on or positions that president obama took, i would be peeling republicans off the ceiling. >> picking fights with canada and germany while, you know, diplomatic overtures in north korea, and warm words about russia. do you sense that he is shifting the posture of his fell low republicans in congress on these issues? >> some of the votes that we have had in congress, was critical. a strong vote opposing the president's tariff policies in a way that undermines america's working people.
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we continue to have this trade war on this. i am disturbed by the relative silence of my colleagues particularly vis-a-vis russia. for the president to say russia is a competitor, russia is not a competitor, it is definitely a foe, an adversary. when you go into a meeting thinking somebody is a competitor, that is a different paradigm. putin tried to undermine our democracy through his cyber attacks in the presidential election. and doing it as we speak. as someone who has been sanctions by putin, i can tell you i have a different view of what he is all about. he is kgb. and fearful of the meeting.
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and we have no idea what will transpire and what the president will give up. >> senator bob menendez, thank you for your time. >> for more on the impact, i am joined by contributor ben rhodes, author of the book the world as it is. and senior advisor under president obama. you saw the russian's tv clip, but there are themes in the president's foreign policy. one is military. two is antagonism towards democratic liberal allies. he likes to pick fights with them. number three, he likes authoritarian regimes. he likes kim jong-un who is doing a great job running his country and he likes vladimir
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putin. >> yeah. i mean, chris, very clear that he has a continued hostility towards our democratic allies and continuing reaching out and praising, trying to create these spectacles, and i don't think it is possible to overstate what is happening this week, the biggest danger is the president of the united states who has single-handedly blowing up what the united states has relied upon for our own security. this 2% is just a lever he is using to clobber nato. if you shred the credibility of our allies, it doesn't matter how much you spend on defense.
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he is playing right into the hands of putin. trying to create a wedge since he has come into office and raising questions whether united states wants to play the role that we have played as the leader of alliances like nato. this is a big deal. this is literally reordering the world before our eyes. >> do you agree with that? >> i do. and he is delivering on a promise he made to a select group of americans who believe that engagement with the rest of the world has not benefitted him. he has been lying to people about what the united states has gotten and what the nuunited states has given. regimes that have zero interest in investments and expanding trade and engaging in the united states that is meaningful for working americans. allied against the very people
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that stand against liberal democracy. he is a bull in a china shop but at the expense of american security. we are able to work with them to keep challenges and resolve challenges there. at the end of the day if we have no friends overseas other than russia, we are going to be dealing with more on our home front. >> that he is sort of emotional incompetent. he doesn't like angela merkel. like there is a pot at the end of a shared vacation house and they didn't put in enough money and he is stuck with the tab. and the other is this program. he wants to get out of nato. he wants to destroy it. in the same way he wants to destroy nafta.
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>> if you look at trump's statements for years, there is a consistent threat. it is not a coincidence, this man can't find enough good things to say about kim jong-un. he says he is beloved by his people. that is playing on a loop right now on north korea television. meanwhile, he can't find enough bad things to say about angela merkel and justin trudeau. the man has a degree of hostility towards or allies. it makes you wonder what is propelling him into the hands of putin. he is trashing our european allies. up ending their own politics, own publics are not going to want to work with the united states anymore. he is going to conclude this tour by standing by the russian president and pay him a lot more
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respect than by angela merkel. so i think there is a consistent threat here that is deeply worrying. either he is solicitous to dictators, or something that is going on with him and putin. seems not to be able to find an ill order. >> i don't think he is going to be throwing starburst at putin any tame soon. it is extremely personal and emotional. this is part of his appeal to his base, this emotion that he brings to the table. he tries to explain everything
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in basic black and white terms when the world is far more complex that he is willing to acknowledge and relationships that he hwe have with allies. trying to make things simple to appeal to a domestic audience and going to make things far more complicated for us in the long run. >> i think he is genuinely pursuing a project which is the break up of these old alliances. thank you both for joining me. ahead is new details about paul manafort's vip jail experience. still sending e-mails while incarcerated. in two minutes. carrying flowert signify why we want to end alzheimer's disease. but what if, one day, there was a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor? what if there were millions of them?
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behind bars. apparently has not all about bad. manafort himself says he is treated like and i quote him a vip. own private room, shower and phone and despite the fact that he is in jail because you recall, he violated the terms of his jail while attempting to obstruct justice. he has developed a work-around to send e-mails. so no wonder that paul manafort objected to the judge's orders to move him to a city jail. for more i am joined by my
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guests. there is some evident frustration on the part of the mueller team in their filing about manafort's behavior. is that a fair characterization? >> yes, i think they have felt that his attempts to delay the trial, to move the trial from alexandria to roanoke have not been quite right. i think the filing today reflected some frustration with the characterization of manafort being in solitary confinement. so the disclosures today were meant to convince the judge that he has more than enough resources and time and equipment to in fact be ready for the
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july 25th file. >> paul, as someone who has written about the system, paul manafort is in the 99.9% in terms of his own treatment. >> when i was a federal prosecutor, i visited prisons and jails all over the country. and i have to say i never private laptop, your own personal bathroom and shower, unlimited calls,not having to wear a uniform, you know, when people in trump's world seem to think they are above the law as far as paul manafort's jailing goes it is true. people of color, the regular rules, don't apply to paul manafort. >> it is surprising and
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confusing when counsel identifies a problem and then poses the most logical solution to the problem. he resisted being moved, is that correct? >> right. so leading up to the trial, his lawyers filed papers asking that he be waved from appearing in court. they said it was a two-hour trek one way. so four hours of travel just really onerous and asking to postpone the trial. cited the difference, the difficulty he has getting lawyers to meet with him. so the judge ordered him removed and then we got a filing from paul manafort's lawyers opposing the move saying it wasn't about the distance, it was the fact of his incarceration.
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might be safety concerns. the alexandria jail has housed high profile and never had issues. so no specific security issues that manafort's lawyers identified. >> so when you go to jail, your calls are monitored. you have no expectation of privacy and those phone calls can be used. some phone call snippets, show up. he said think about how it will play elsewhere, there is a strategy to it even in flowailu but even in hope in it. >> i guess he is looking at the d.c. trial as a dress rehearsal. he has the option of combining both of these. one trial where all of these charges would have been heard. but he declined that.
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and that is why the judge said today, you have some nerve mr. manafort how you have to prepare two trials, because you really only had to prepare for one. that was your choice, not mine. >> another filing from a top flight attorney in the mueller team and they want to use what is prior bad acts. applying to the court or a motion to the court to use those. they want to talk about his lobbying as long as 30 years. manafort had knowledge in the fara and of its registration requirements it is also relevant to establish the absence of mistake or accident. it looks like they are gearing up to go over on the mueller side. >> they are. and in the d.c. case, is where he is charged with failing to register as an agent for the work that he did in the former ukrainian president. and for this 404b evidence,
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normally you can't bring in evidence of crime where a person hasn't been charged with. but if it is relevant to the crime that they are charged with, they can ask for permission to bring it into trial. so related to some of manafort's previous work and financial transaction was a supplement to that. in order to is help prove. that it is relevant to bring in the fact that he is previously investigatesed for fara work in the 1980s. so he knew going into his work in the 2000s that he would have known what is expected of him. >> the weird thing about this is that there is energy and attention to this manafort case. mueller has a number of hot shot
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prosecutors. and it has nothing to do with collusion. the judge said earlier, questioned mueller, why are you bringing this case, you are supposed to be investigating the president. mueller knows something that we don't know. and the questions to trump that were revealed, one of the questions was, mr. president, did you know about attempts by manafort to reach out to the russians. when manafort was running the trump campaign, he was in contact with this guy, kiwho waa russian operative. something is lurking in the background that we are going to find out eventually. >> great point. thank you both. coming up, why the white house wants corporations that
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the white house and advocates for supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh want you to believe that he will not law. it is about his outcomes and the outcomes are pro business as a one sheet memorandum circulated. the memo shows judge ckavanaugh.
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barbara boxer and strategyist and senior spokesperson for harry reid. and andrew, i will start with you. people talk about abortion and affirmative action, but a huge amount of the court's docket is about regulation and appeals on rulings. and it is telling it seems to me the white house is using these decisions with that constituency. >> sure. even with kennedy as a swing justice on the court, the supreme court tended to favor businesses against regulatory decisions by the agencies. you saw two major blows to the labor movement. one targeting union fees and the other preventing class action lawsuits as part of a condition of employment. so the expectation is that if you look at kavanaugh's record,
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he is friendly to businesses. >> it is the sort of truthfulness that i appreciate about this document. of course, it shows what is up here. they know what they are getting in brett kavanaugh and saying you don't want your employer suing you and don't want unions and epa nosing around. and here is a guy on the supreme court in your corner. >> it is going to be the gift that keeps on giving for democrats throughout the confirmation the process. the shows how arrogant and out of touch they are. and once again, the base, this is what it is all about, stuff like this. >> senator, the one thing that is notable about this fight right now is the intensity on the democratic side. generally people think that republicans are more invested in the court fight but new polling today shows a high level of
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interest, 63% of democrats and only 43% of republicans what do you make of that? >> i think it is essential because every single right is at stake and we have talked about the right to choose, women's equality, and health care. and these are things coming. this particular memo, i agree with your other guests and jim and i worked together when we worked for harry reid, i agree when they prepared this white paper on kavanaugh, it reeks of federalist society values which are, there should be freedom, that is what the federalist say, freedom, but not for the people to breathe clean air, and not for the ability to drink safe water, not for the ability to have a decent work place that is fair. but they are so unbalanced in that. and the last point i make at
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this time is when the federalist society was founded by people like wobork in that of the far right, they were nervous. because the court in the seventies was up holding acts that richard nixon signed. so that is why the federalist society was born and they hide behind this, oh, we are originalist. no, they are backers of big business and want to take away our rights and give them the rights. >> two things going together. i guess my question to you is we think about the interest groups lining up for these fights and you think about the religious rights particularly on the conservative side and you think about pro-choice groups on the democratic side, how big a role do corporate america play?
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>> they are awfully invested in them. this is what they have been praying for for years. including the so-called chevron defense and a host of other things that businesses have been wishing for for years. again, the arrogance of this memo is amazing. and it shows how seriously they are taking this. i hope democrats are going to push back and push back hard. senator boxer was good about how democrats are going to highlight what is at stake and they gave us a gift on this one. >> the memorandum said judges had overruled federal agencies sev 75 times. and saying consumer finance protection bureau was essentially unconstitutional. >> that has been a hot button
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issue for people looking at the court and how kavanaugh will look. you remember the movie "black fish," a trainer had died while working with a killer whale. and that made it up to the d.c. court. two judges had ruled that sea world had not protected the workers and one judge had dissented and that was kavanaugh. >> being eviscerated and killed by a whale is not a fair expectation of your employer. and kavanaugh dissenting the view. >> they have no heart. it is all about no heart. and who they fight for. and that's why they were formed originally. and this guy passes the test every single test.
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and when you say regulation, they have made it a dirty world. protections for our children, for our families. the biggest cause of school absenteeism is asthma. we can't say to the corporations which are people, do what you want and do not weigh in for ordinary families. in addition to women's rights and health care and gay rights and all of the other things, climate change, anthony kennedy said, yeah, it is covered in the clean air act. they are going to do away with that. and what kind of planet are our children going to have. thank goodness there is interest in this. take a look at this. >> more as we approach the hearing and more is revealing. thanks so much for your time. the resistance shows no sign of
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and that these forests can be sustained and enjoyed by the community in the future. trump administration continues to drag its heels and fight kicking and screaming on reuniting the immigrant children that it took from their parents at the border. a tuesday deadline the administration said four children under 5 had been reunited and another 34 expected to be reunited by the end of the day yesterday.
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we'll know on thursday with another update. in the meantime, the stories we're hearing about reunification underscore the barbaric cruelty of family separation. "the new york times" talks about two toddlers who were returned yesterday. some children don't recognize their mothers. he didn't recognize me said the 31 of her 3-year-old son. my joy turned temporarily to sadness. another 3-year-old tried to get free from her mother's embrace at the point of reunification. i want miss. i want miss darly cried calling for the social worker where she had been living. two reporters who have done amazing work on this story. let me start with you, auda. the stories of reunification underscore precisely the level of trauma that is being imposed on these children and the parents during separation. >> it really is.
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we've been focused on some of the places that the children have been held and i do want to let you know and let your audience know that just a couple of hours ago reveal from the center of investigative reporting learned that mvm, inc., the company that has small vacant office in mid town phoenix first told us that it didn't operate shelters, it didn't operate housing. it told us it had a temporary holding place for children. two hours ago they admitted to us that it did, indeed, sometimes hold children again in that office that several neighbors reported seeing. i eventually was able to garner databases and documents that corroborated what the neighbors were telling us and also what we were hearing within the immigrant community about what really was happening in that office building, and so there are so many parts to this story. the reunifications but also what happens in the in between time
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and where any immigrant is being held but particularly some of the -- some of these children in this particular facility we found that at least one girl was pregnant. one child ran away. he's still missing. again, this is a private contractor that has a generous contract with i.s.s. taxpayer contract money. according to that contract, children are not supposed to spend the night. i.c.e. has told us that is not part of the contract. it did, indeed, happen. >> this is an amazing bit of news you've broken. they're supposed to move children around. brooke, they were detaining migrant kids in a vacant phoenix office building. they put out a response to which they essentially say that's what they're doing. it is our policy to accompany the children in local accommodations. we identified several times when
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our policy was not followed. we'll take appropriate actions based on our findings. dara, this points to how little oversight it seems to me is happening at these facilities. >> yeah. generally the federal government has alternated between saying that they have everything under control and saying that there's just too much going on that they can't be expected to take care of anything. this points to a bigger problem that they never really appear to have built capacity for all of these children to get separated. they never thought about a different process by which they might identify and release them to parents. they're currently scrambling to build up capacity at military bases at the same time they're trying to find new capacity to detain children alone. they appear to be taking a strategy of meshing all of the buttons and hoping that some of them work. >> yeah. and they're also currently, dara, just to follow up on this, this is something you've reported on, what they want --
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their solution is indefinite family detention. we're not going to separate the parents so you didn't like that. we're going to keep them together. they petitioned the dug in flores which says you can't do that and the judge said, absolutely no way. it is apparent that defendant's application is a cynical attempt to shift responsibility to the judiciary for over 20 years. so what now? >> so the thing about that decree that i think it's really important for people to understand is that it did not say that the trump administration could not separate families. >> right. >> and it did not say that they could not detain families. what it said is a parent should be able to make the choice and the aclu and the judge in this case as well as the judge in the san diego case on separation have both said as long as parents are making the choice about whether they want to stay with their child in detention or have their child go to, you know, hhs and ultimately be placed with a relative or foster parent, that is their decision to make. that means that right now the
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administration could -- >> could reinstitute. >> it could reinstitute that and it's not. we know that they are kind of reinstituting what they have called catch and release. they're defaulting to releasing immigrant families from detention. that is not something that they're doing in all cases to be sure. >> right. >> but they appear to be doing it on a wider scale. so the question right now is is that a permanent solution or are they just keeping it on pause until they ramp up the next phase? >> and auda, that means you'll still have kids in these facilities, unaccompanied as well as separated, and you've reported on a specific facility in which migrant kids were given psychotropic drugs. this is something that, again, you've reported on that is happening in these facilities? >> yes. there's a facility called shilo in texas. children are sent there sometimes because they are perceived to have certain emotional instability. one child was sent there after he peed his pants as children
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sometimes do. one child that i spent time with along with his mom, they live in new orleans now, he was there for six months. he was nine years old when he started staying there. he was separated from his mom through a different process. she was already here. he claimed asylum at the border. he went into a sort of more regular shelter, the ones that we're more familiar with, and then sent to this place, shilo, after he tried to run away as children who want to be reunited with their parents tend to do. he was then administered drugs, heavy psychotropic drugs for six months. his mom pleaded, was angry, tried everything she could for six months to get her child back. she finally did. he's ten years old now. he seems well adjusted. >> there's a -- i'm sorry that i have to cut you off there but we're at the bottom of the hour. there's a lawsuit on that and people should read your reporting over that. thank you. that is all for this evening.

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