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consequences. the u.s. announced it is expelling dozens of russian diplomats. in response to a russian spy being poisoned on british soil, will russia retaliate? adult film actress stormy daniels gives an interview about her relationship with donald trump. who is in jeopardy, the porn star or the president? and who is next to go? sources reportedly say president trump's veterans affair secretary may be why the latest white house doesn't inspire confidence. we start with the silent treatment from the president. what the ambassador calls and yet so far nothing from president trump himself. not even a tweet even as russia
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promises to retaliate in kind. let's start with jeff bennett. good to have you this afternoon. this was part of a coordinated effort. tell us about how the white house is framing these expulsions. >> reporter: this is the most aggressive action the u.s. has taken against russia under president trump. the u.s. is expelling 60 russian diplomats who senior officials say are actually undercover intelligence agents. 12 are in new york. and we're told they have to be out by next monday. the u.s., ayman, is requiring the closure of the russian consulate in seattle and we're told that's tied to the consulate's proximity to a u.s. submarine base and a boeing
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manufacturing facility. now a white house press secretary sarah sanders released a statement earlier about all of this saying this, with these steps, the united states and our allies and partners make clear to russia that its actions have consequences. the united states stands ready to cooperate to build a better relationship with russia, but this can only happen with a change in the russian government's behavior. we should say this coordinated effort is said to be the largest collective expulsion of russian intelligence officers in history. you have british prime minister theresa may who said 18 countries have aligned with the uk to expel more than 100 diplomats in all. now we should also say that russia has denied involvement in the poisoning of the former spy on british soil. and in response to today's developments you have the russian embassy posting a tweet asking which u.s. diplomatic facility it should close. there's the tweet. it says u.s. administration ordered the closure of russian
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consulate in seattle. what u.s. consulate general would you close in russia if it was up to you to decide. and you can see there or maybe you can't -- i think something in the neighborhood of 10,000 people have already voted. while it's common for countries to station intelligence agents overseas as undercover, undercover as diplomats, a senior administration official said there are more than 100 russian intelligence agents working as diplomats in the u.s. right now and they have described that number as unacceptable. >> jeff bennett for us live in washington, d.c. thanks for breaking that down for us, jeff. one top democrat applauded the expulsions. mark warner is the ranking member of the intelligence committee. in fact, he writes the administration has done the right thing in supporting our british allies. we cannot tolerate russian aggression like this brazen chemical weapons attack on british soil. the u.s. and our allies should keep up the pressure until russia gets the message. joining me now michael mcphaul,
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bill kristol, jill weinbanks, all-star panel with us to try to make sense of these developments. let me talk about what kind of message do you think these coordinated expulsions from europe and here in the united states are sending to russia today? >> they're sending the right message. it was just truly outrageous what putin and his proxies did in the uk. an ally of the united states, there had to be a firm response. i think this is a firm response. i applaud their decision and ability to get all these countries together to do this to show this is a united front against vladimir putin. >> does this, ambassador, need to be more of an economic pushback as well? there are some analyses that suggest vladimir putin is fine and comfortable with taking the hit on this. the one comparison you have to secure the bunker if you lose soldiers securing the bunker and
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winning the operation, so be it. that's the cost of what the russian operation in the united states or even the assassination -- alleged assassination of the russian spy in great britain. should there be more economic pushback, though? >> yes. if it were up to me i would not have closed the consulate in seattle. i would have expelled the intelligence officers from there like they did in washington and new york. but let's just be clear, by closing that consulate we're hurting americans trying to travel to russia. we're not hurting the oligarchs, the big business people close to putin who do business in the uk. that is the next frontier and i hope they take that seriously. we need to make those people suffer the consequences so that they put pressure on putin to change his behavior, closing the consulate in seattle does not do that. >> fair enough. bill, let me ask you about the reaction coming out of the white house particularly the repeated message. today it said that the actions have consequences in reference
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to russia's actions. but what's interesting perhaps is the silence that is coming out of the president himself. does that in itself also send a message that we haven't heard from president trump directly in response to these expulsions or actions against russia? >> sure, i agree with mike the response is good and i think especially standing with our allies is good. this is a president who came in deriding nato, deriding alliances in general, complaining a lot about our allies, and here we are showing a more traditional sense of standing with people, which is good not just for this instance but more broadly when we want our allies to stand with us in different matters. that's a good thing. i very much agree we need to do much more on the sanctions and what putin cares about is the money. he has a ton of it. his oligarch friends have a ton of it. there is all kinds of corrupt efforts, as we know, to influence policy elsewhere in the world. there's a lot we and our allies to do to crack down on that. the trump administration has
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done a little bit under pressure from congress on the front of sanctions but much less than could be done and, as you say, the president himself has been quiet at best and excusing of putin at worst and that doesn't help mobilize public opinion. putin's threat is a serious threat. he's killing people in the free world, disrupting elections in the free world. invading countries and not getting out of them. putin has to be confronted. this is a nice step in the right direction. >> jill, to pick up on that point from bill, what he was saying about president trump, this is a president who has talked openly about confrontation with other countries, trade wars with china, north korea, iran. he has been very silent about russia, not even a single tweet. how do you explain that? what's your analysis for that silence? >> well, as a citizen i'm very happy that he is not tweeting about it and that he is acting in coordination with our allies. that is a new approach and something that i think is very good.
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there's no surprise that many of the people who claim to be diplomats are actually intelligence officers. we used to host events for all the military attach es and we assumed they were intelligence agents. so that's not the surprise. it is good to expel some now and possibly all of them now because russia is not acting in any way that is consistent with our own values and our own security. so we have to take action. >> let me juxtapose two statements that are coming out of this administration. on the one hand you have sarah sanders' statement which appeared to shy away from mentioning the election interference fiasco in this country. there was a vague mention of an ongoing pattern of destabilizing activities around the world. but as you can see really nothing specific there. contrast that with a statement that came out from nikki haley who had this to say.
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russia has now used a chemical weapon within the borders of one of our enclosesest allies. here in new york, russia uses the united nations as a safe haven for dangerous activities within our own borders. ambassador mcfaul, why isn't the white house message as tough as that that we're seeing come out of nikki haley? >> well, for some reason that i still don't understand, president trump seems very reluctant to be personally involved in the pushback on russia. and the pushback on vladimir putin, let's be clear. it's his regime that needs to be pushed back. it seems he wants to do enough whereas many others including the ambassador and the united nations want to develop a real strategy for confronting putin's russia, and that's very different. it sends a different signal to moscow. moscow reads this very closely. they look at that difference and they say, aha, we still have the opportunity to work with donald trump as he battles the deep
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state that is against russian interests. i don't think it serves america's national interests to not have the president of the united states endorsing his own government's policy. >> to that effect, bill, is it possible to craft an effective policy here against russia when you have the administration sending these type of mixed messages not confronting all the facts in the same manner? >> congress could try to do more. the president of the united states, donald trump, spoke with putin, who is the problem. it's his regime that's the problem. just a week ago, i can't remember, we learned he ignored the recommendation of his national security team not to congratulate putin. wasn't that in caps on his talking points. trump is a big problem. we can do some of these nice things. the administration can follow
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the lead but if within, what, two, three weeks after putin has someone poisoned with chemical weapons, banned weapons in one of our closest allies on the soil of one of our closest allies, incidentally injuring a lot of other people while he's at it, the president of the united states calls and congratulates him on an election victory? that's not a good thing. >> you know russia better than anyone. the chances of them retaliating, we saw them trolling the embassy with that online poll. what do you expect russia to do in this scenario? >> well, of course putin will respond. someone will close a consulate. >> all right, ambassador mcfaul, jill wine-banks and bill kristol, great to have you all with us this afternoon. telling her story adult film star stormy daniels breaks her legal agreement to talk about the relationship she says she
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had with donald trump. is she now in jeopardy, legal or otherwise? >> a guy walked up on me and said to me leave trump alone. forget the story. and then he leaned around, looked at my daughter, and said a beautiful little girl. it would be a shame if something happened to her mom. and then he was gone. >> a friend of the president says expect more departures. the next cabinet member whose job may be on the line and what it means for the administration going forward. more problems with news the site may be holding on to more of your personal information than you thought. the new details what facebook has been collecting. peninsula trail? you won't find that on a map. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales. oop. you hear that? (vo) our subaru outback lets us see the world.
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the biggest revelation from the much anticipated "60 minutes" interview with stormy daniels with details of an alleged incident where she says she was threatened to remain silent about the affair back in 2007. >> i was in a parking lot going to a fitness class with my infant daughter, the seat is facing backwards in the seat, diaper bag, getting all the stuff out. a guy walked up to me and said leave trump alone. forget the story. and then he leaned around and look at my daughter and said that's a beautiful little girl. it would be a shame if something happened to her mom. and then he was gone. >> did you go to the police? >> no. >> why? >> because i was scared. >> so her attorney was asked today whether she tried to identify the person who
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allegedly threatened her. >> we're in the process of identifying who that was. she remembers it like it was yesterday. like any mother in that situation it was terrifying. it had to be someone related or sent by mr. trump or mr. cohen. >> the lawyer representing mr. cohen is denying mr. cohen's environment in a letter writing mr. cohen had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any such person or incident and does not even believe any such person exists or such an incident even occurred. the white house and president trump's lawyer have denied the affair happened. with me now msnbc legal analyst, and a former director for strategic communications for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. great to have all of you with us. let's begin with you if i can. three individuals at the center of this, stormy daniels, michael cohen and president trump. who would you say is now at the
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center of the biggest legal jeopardy? is it stormy because she's breaking the nondisclosure agreement? >> in a sense all of their respective positions remain the same with michael cohen likely at number one and everyone else tied for 13 or 14 or something like that. the reason i say that is this. michael cohen is an attorney and we are subjected not only to criminal standards but ethics standards and the problem is with this alleged contract, a number in addition to the legal issues faced by all the parties to the contract. donald trump just says i'm david dennison, let's enforce it. but such an admission would be devastating because he would be admitting to being a party to this contract which arguably has an illegal objective.
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>> i was going to ask you a twofold question. as someone who appears on media was the interview a bit oversold watching it from the perspective of a lawyer as well as a regular viewer? >> as a regular viewer it might have been oversold because i wanted more. like many others. i wanted to see what was in the dvd. i wanted to see files, audio files, video files, all kinds of things. but as an attorney it was not oversold. they did a very good job telling us exactly what would be on the interview which is we'll give you some. we will not give you all. that is not a good litigation strategy. we will hold on to as leverage and reveal it when the rules of discovery require it. >> let me bring knew this conversation. the reaction from the white house on what the president has said about this has evolved. take a listen.
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>> is the president aware his lawyer paid that to a porn star to buy her silence? >> i haven't asked about it but that matter has been asked and answered. >> will you ask about that? >> i haven't asked him. >> will you. >> i'll get back to you. >> did the president and michael cohen talk about this during the campaign? >> not that i'm aware of. i would refer to you michael. >> did the president approve of the payment? >> the president has addressed these directly and made clear none of these allegations are true. the case has been won in arbitration. i would refer you to the president's outside counsel. i've address this had as far as i can go. >> when asked about the payment to the president, you said not that i'm aware of. have you asked the president? >> i've had conversations about this. as i outlined earlier this case
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had already been won in arbitration and that there was no knowledge of any payments from the president and he's denied all the allegations. i've addressed this question pretty extensively and ongoing litigation. i'm not going to comment any further than i have. >> that appearance on march 7th that landed sarah huckabee sanders in hot water with the president. we are expected to have a press briefing. how t >> we'll see how they react. there certainly have been mixed messages coming from the white house podium on this issue. what really matters if robert mueller gets involved in this and questions donald trump on this directly. because if donald trump lies or has any sort of desire to tell anything about the truth in this situation that will be obstruction of justice and
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that's where the real issue is. >> let me ask you about stormy daniels' story because it was remarkably similar to that of "playboy" playmate karen mcdougal's affair. >> he's like, wow. you, you are special. >> you're really special. >> you remind me of my daughter. he's like, you're smart, beautiful. >> he said i was beautiful like her and, you're a smart girl. >> i didn't say no. i'm not a victim. >> it was entirely consensual? >> yes. >> the sex was consensual? >> yes. >> how would you rate her credibility? would you say that stormy daniels came across kred nbl th credible in that interview yesterday? >> i thought they both came across as confident and credible in terms of their stories. i think it is remarkable the consistency not only among their stories but among some other women who have come forward with allegations against trump.
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this case is being prosecuted on two tracks. one is the court of law. danny's talked some about that. there's more for us to talk about in terms of going into the campaign violations as adrienne raised. there are questions, will the mda be upheld or deemed invalid, will donald trump go after these women for damages? there's the court of law track. but the other piece is the court of public opinion and on the court of public opinion you have the question of who is telling the truth and who cares and on the who's telling the truth when you have women making remarkably consistent allegations, you have them both talking about the detai details. in some detail the lie detector test which may or may not be admissible in court but it suggests stormy daniels is telling the truth. i think on the who cares piece
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is there a real breaking point at some point for donald trump? he during the campaign said i can go out on fifth avenue and shoot somebody and nobody will care. stories that do seem to be true, that have been intimidated, potentially threatened and bullied. is there a point people will care and i actually think there is. >> and we should add that melania trump's office was asked whether she watched the interview or has any comment. her spokeswoman says she is focused on being a mom. adrienne, let me ask you about the politics behind this. is this something the democrats want to pick up going into the midterm elections or is this something that past extramarital affairs and what have you. >> that's a really good
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question. in this situation to maya's point, first of all, number one, president trump is burying himself in this. the story has its own legs without democrats having to get involved. secondly in this whole me too era, anytime a woman is silenced, whether it comes from a potential nda signed that she does not want to violate or is scared to violate or whether it comes from the story mentioned last night, somebody threatening her several years ago in a parking lot who may have worked for donald trump, i think that's where you have the voters coming forward and saying, you know what, i have a real issue with women being silenced by men and that is something that i think will have a dramatic impact going into the midterms even though donald trump is not technically on the ballot but people will be thinking about these things and more. >> danny, maya, adrienne, thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. >> thank you. another possible white house
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welcome back, everyone. the white house revolving door continues to spin this week with another major white house staff shake-up reportedly on its way. this uncertainly amongst staff is sure to be a topic of questions during the press briefing scheduled to start at 2:00 p.m. eastern. the ap reports president trump is planning to oust veterans affair secretary likely some time this week. he has faced several investigations over his travel and leadership at the department. a white house spokesman says the president does have confidence in him at this point in time. he would join a long list of departures in the last few weeks. a president of the president says trump sees no problem with this turnover. >> the president told me he's perplexed by all of these reports there's chaos at the
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white house or mass staff changes. he told me that he thinks the white house is operating like a smooth machine, in his words. >> white house correspondent for the washington examiner and a white house reporter for bloomberg. we talk a lot but it's usually through remote so it's nice to be in the same studio with you. let's talk about the possibility of david shulken. he would join a long list only from the last few weeks not even mentioning others. take us inside the west wing. what are your sources telling you about how smooth of an operation the white house is running. >> all of these turnovers and the rapid pace is a sign of president trump's frustration on all fronts, stalling immigration, nowhere on the foreign policy front. he felt like his top advisers rex tillerson, h.r. mcmaster
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were resisting the things he wanted to do on iran. a product of how frustrated he's been with how slowly things have moved. >> let me pick up on that point. it was said this morning the president runs the white house like a, quote, startup. let's look at this from a different angle. what is your morale like when you're seeing constantly this changeover. >> it's not great. this announcement about the departure of h.r. mcmaster caught everyone by surprise. people were running from office to office slamming doors trying to figure out what was going on the hour or so before this was announced. any sort of agenda or plans anyone had made around national
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security or communications were completely thrown up in the air because now all after sudden your national security adviser was leaving. and that was going to dominate the news cycle not to mention the impact on any sort of ongoing conversations which were happening at this time about these russia sanctions that came out today. so, i mean, there is a certain sense the president's allies would say this is the way it is. he's the president. you need to learn to work your way around it and adjust, adapt. he's always going to be changing and make decisions quickly. keep up with it. for those who can't, maybe this isn't the place for you. >> we saw that a little bit on friday with the threat to veto a bill and how much that sent everything into a whirlwind. let me play for you corey lewandowski. >> so he is bringing people in who are on his team to make sure his agenda is moving forward. >> your advice to anyone who disagrees with the president's agenda, get out? >> no, no, not at all.
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i completely disagree with that. you can have a disagreement with the president. he wants to have conversations on all sides. when the decision is made, you have to be on the team because the president is the final arbiter. >> is there a feeling you have to be on the president's page in order to work for the president? we've seen some of these public disputes with people like rex tillerson, h.r. mcmaster, they get reamed out online and in social media. that has to be a factor in who stays or goes? >> it's not that he wants uniformity of thought within the west wing. he actually enjoys hearing people debate issues in front of him. that's how he arrives at decisions. he likes to foster those kinds of contentious debates sometimes. what i think the president has gotten fed up with is having those debates spill out into the public. for instance rex tillerson was open about the fact -- >> north korea. >> that he posed him on some key issues. that undermines the president's credibility. publicly he does need to have
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people willing to subvert their own opinions. >> it seems the president has a fixation with the people he's let go. while in florida trump also continued to attack rex tillerson saying in conversations with associates the recently fired secretary of state didn't have the brains or the energy for the job. trump seems to still be infuriated by tillerson. maybe because he referred to him as a moron. why is the president still fixated on somebody like tillerson and others who are already gone? >> we saw this with steve bannon as well. i don't think it does much to keep down any sort of criticism that might come out from these people who have left, just to give a few more examples of people who furnd into vocal critics, james comey is one of those, andrew mccabe. not only do you have people who become upset and disgruntled inside the administration and
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leave or are forced out but then attacking them on the way out means now you have a very vocal opponent on the outside who sees no benefit in keeping their mouth shut. now publicly he has not attacked tillerson. these are all things he's said in private and he should be allowed to vent and express his feelings on someone in private. but it wouldn't be totally surprising if we did see comments about tillerson spill out of his twitter feed at some point. >> it will be interesting if rex tillerson decide once he's free whether or not he decides to respond as well. sarah westwood here in new york, thank you both for joining us this hour. a bombshell new development in omar mateen. court documents showing his father was an fbi informant for more than ten years. how this could derail the trial of the shooter's widow now charged with aiding her husband in the attack. and keep a close eye on your phone. what we're learning about the personal data facebook has been collecting from millions of people using facebook messenger
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attorneys are calling for a mistrial because they weren't notified of the connection sooner. let's bring in nbc's pete williams. an interesting development to say the least in this trial. what do the new filings tell us about mateen's father sadiq and what could it mean for the course of this trial? >> what you said, that he was an informant from january 2005 until june of 2016. the fbi says that after the shooting agents searched the father's house and found receipts for transfers of money to turkey and afghanistan and then decided to open an investigation on him. so what the defense lawyers say, and this is the only trial to come from the pulse nightclub shooting, omar mateen's widow, lied to the fbi. they say she helped him case it, buy ammunition.
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they want either a mistrial or they want the charges dismissed. the government hasn't yet responded here. so we're waiting to see what happens. but under federal rules and court decisions, the prosecutors are required to turn over to defense lawyers before the trial any evidence that would help the defense in its defense, what's called exculpatory information. what defense lawyers say in their filing if they had known this that it would have, "a," focused their attention on the father to see whether he had anything to do with the shooting, whether he was involved in any way, help them develop alternative theories of the case, help them develop their questions when they interrogated mateen's mother, which they did last week. now this trial is nearing completion. last thursday the prosecution rested. it could go to the jury as early as the day after tomorrow. we'll see what the judge does here, whether he decides to give
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them a mistrial or a new trial or dismiss the charges. if he does it sets up an important issue for the defense on appeal. we're waiting to hear what the government says in response here and what the judge rules about it. >> any time line, pete, as to when we could expect a decision about the trial, whether it is dismissed or declared a mistrial? >> no, the judge said earlier today he will wait to decide on that, to get on with the trial for now. he will wait before making a decision. one other thing in court today about omar mateen himself. it came out two minutes after the shooting, the fbi disclosed that he had actually been investigated by the fbi because in may of 2013 he was telling co-workers that he had friends in al qaeda and hezbollah, was bragging about connections if that's the right word to terror groups. the fbi interrogated him, put
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under covers on him and decided that was all a big lie. he was then investigated again when it turned out that he attended the same mosque as someone from florida went on to become a suicide bomber in syria and, again, they found only a tenuous connection. the fbi who was in charge of handling his father as an informant tried to get mateen to be an fbi informant, too, but that never happened. >> incredible developments. pete williams, thank you. new controversy surrounding social media giant facebook. the company now reveals it's been keeping texting and call logs for millions of people using android phones with access to facebook messenger. minutes ago the senate judiciary committee invited mark zuckerberg to testify at a hearing on data privacy next month. despite zuckerberg's mea culpa, the harvesting of 50 million users in 2015, and new full-page ads across the u.s. and uk, a
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new poll finds fewer than half of americans trust face bobbing to obey privacy laws. a political reporter with "the new york times" joins us now. ken, good to have you with us. how big of a deal is this latest revelation that facebook is actually keeping texan call logs of users? >> well, it could be a big deal and the reason why is the context, as the revelations are mounting and increasing political pressure on facebook. it's coming as they're getting scrutiny from across the political spectrum about this idea whether they are too big, what's known as a platform monopoly and need regulation and possibly even to be broken up. it was a part of the democrats' mid-term election platform, this idea that facebook, google, amazon are platform monopolies and anti-competitive. we've seen the european union take a harsh look at google in
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particular or some of the other social media companies and digital companies as well. and we are seeing increasing pressure here and it's because of these revelations about cambridge analytica and their maintaining of call log from messenger putting them in a tough spot. >> let me pick up on that point about cambridge analytica. there's news today that the company that actually has by many people's accounts put facebook's reputation in jeopardy, cambridge analytica assigned dozens of nonu.s. citizens to provide campaign strategy and messaging advice to republican candidates back in 2014. how unusual is this for either party to rely on a firm that then relies so heavily on non-u.s. citizens? >> i mean, it's not entirely unusual. you see campaigns paying for hats produced abroad.
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where the legal issue comes is when you have folks who are foreign nationals who are making decisions that are seen as or deemed to be sort of critical strategy decisions to the campaign. you see that more in supporting roles. i think it pales in comparison to the potential problems this is causing for facebook. >> it seems every day we're learning more revelations about cambridge analytica and its operations, facebook and its compromising positions on some of the privacy issues. where does the story develop from here? what are you watching out for to see the direction of both facebook and cambridge analytica and any possible convergence between the two organizations? >> yeah, cambridge analytica, i think this story could be devastating for them. i've heard talk the funders of it may double down and try to
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ride this out. they did not have a huge foothold in american politics and conservative politics. their role in the trump campaign i think has been exaggerated to some extent and the ted cruz campaign they were actually paid to do similar stuff and they fired them or at least relegated them. this could be sort of the beginning of the end. facebook obviously is a totally different story. it's gigantic, social media company that is as i suggested before sort of has a monopoly place and so i don't see this hurting their place in the market, you see a little bit of this boycott stuff. i see them facing more problems from the regulatory perspective. >> i feel cambridge analytica is so toxic, hard to imagine a
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political party want to ing to associate with them. it's great to have you on. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. thousands of protesters calling for tighter gun restrictions gathering in washington, d.c., and other cities across the country. but will the enthusiasm from young people translate into the ballot box? and we're keeping an eye on the white house briefing room hours after the president ordered dozens of russian diplomats to leave the country. asis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting.
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welcome back, everyone. the big question today after thousands of people took part in the march for our lives, will the young people show up and vote? i'm joined by an expert on young americans and their voting patterns. let me begin with your expertise. what do you make of this movement? how likely is it this energy will translate into votes? >> i think it will translate into votes. turnaround will go up for young people and it will have an influence on the election in
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2018. >> how do you base that from an academic point of view? >> partly reaching out to young people and asking them to vote and encouraging them to vote makes a difference. we found this in research over the years. that's what the young people are doing, they're organizing, registering voters and making a direct connection between the issues they care about and the vote, which is rare. these kids are definitely saying that. >> let's take a look at who turns out to vote in the 2016 election. more than 68% of baby boomers voted. then you had more than 62% of generation x voted, and then 49% of millennials. the protests were led by if generation younger than the millennials, the i generation. do you expect these numbers to look different in november? are we going to see it skewed from the bottom up? >> things were even worse the
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last time we had a midterm election in 2014, so you start with an even worse baseline, only 1 in 5 millennials voting in 2014. we'll see improvement over the baseline. we'll see positive change because of the organizing. there's a lot of young people, so, in fact, 22 million new 18 to 20-year-olds become eligible o vote for the 2020 election. that's a lot of young people. if they get the turnaround up even 5%, 10%, it will make a difference. >> there's been an image of emma gonzalez that is being circulated of her ripping up the constitution, which is fake. the image is her ripping up a bullies eye for a target range. does the fakeness disencourage young people from getting involved politically when they
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see how nasty this can be? >> the whole political system is pretty nasty. a lot of people are encouraged, but these kids strike me as tough and persistent and energized by each other. they also know the constitution because specifically the kids in parkland have a very strong civic education, turns out they actually know the constitution in some detail, which is why they're effective civic organizers. >> peter lavigne, thank you for joining us from massachusetts today. in the next few minutes we expect the white house press briefing to get started. we'll bring that to you live when it does. stay with us. hey're starting this year's garden with miracle-gro potting mix and plant food. together, they produce three times the harvest to enjoy... and of course, to share. this soil is fresh from the forest and patiently aged to guarantee more of what matters... every time.
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video that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live." my good friend katy tur joins me now. >> it is wonderful to see you on a monday, my friend. it's brightening my whole monday. >> wow. ladies and gentlemen, special. >> we like each other here. amon, appreciate it. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in washington where we'll hear from the white house for the first time since the most anticipated prime time interview in recent history. spoiler alert, it was not with president trump. adult film star stormy daniels astound exclusively with "60 minutes" and detailed her claims of a brief affair with the man who is now president. she shared also the moment she said she was physically threatened to stay silent about the story. >> i was in a

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