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intelligence community reports about american social media companies used by the russians here. until very, very recently all we had of facebook on this was denials it happened or any of it mattered. they have only now started to i'd like to underscore them now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> thank you. >> thank you. i want you to take a deep or short breath and hear what your reaction to the last hour of
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that discussion is. >> well, i mean, the facebook thing that i was just discussing right there, i think just as a -- as a point of focus in terms -- as a point of focus in terms of what's likely to happen next about the russian investigations, i was not expecting the secretary to talk about facebook in those terms and i think that's interesting and important and deserves some reflection. i think that facebook should answer to what she said. so that's kind of top line. i guess overall i'm probably still too much in the middle of it. i have to say at a personal level, i'm happy to see her doing well. when you see someone a lifetime public servant, been the wringer she's been through, we all imagine the personal toll that takes and so i was happy to read the book and think that it's a good book and recognize her voice in it and doing this good work to produce this thing. also happy to see her in person and she she is well. she is definitely still in the arena, though. combative on the trump administration in -- without mincing words at all and very,
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very straightforward and very -- not aggressive is the right word but assertive and well informed on the russia stuff. so, she's -- this is not a retired politician. i know she said she won't run again but this is somebody when's very, very much in the arena given the circumstances of her election and who won against her i think that's an incredibly interesting dynamic for the country moving forward and never had this before. >> rachel, i have always found that politicians run for office, once they have decided and publicly announced that they're not going to run for office again, talking to them is a different thing. that's a different vibe from it. you talked to her. you interviewed her when she was running for president. interviewed her several times before this. this is a different person. >> yes. >> occupationally who you're interviewing tonight, sething off in a different kind of direction and i have to say i felt from the audience that there was a different feel to listening to her that you didn't get that sense of candidate caution and feeling the
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boundaries of what she can say about this and not wanting to disturb certain constituencies and feel a confidence in, this is what she thinks about this and has to say. >> yeah. and i think that's right. she writes about the cautiousness and guardedness of the public persona in the book and pretty good insight into the development and the pluses and minuses. but my feeling when i had talked to her run for president was that her cautiousness and the measuredness with the words was because she was somebody who was probably about to be president. and so, she was preparing to be president and trying not to tie herself up both in terms of somebody to answer for something on the campaign trail and somebody who wouldn't want to tie herself stuff up with something to follow into the presidency. i always felt like she was the only non president i talked to who ever seemed like a president. now she doesn't seem that way at
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all. she knows she is not going to be president and run for office again and doesn't have to answer as a candidate or public official and she is being absolutely blunt and i mean, if you don't like her, you probably find it to be pushy. if you like her, you probably find it to be refreshing. there's a big change from what it was to talk to her this time last yore. >> the long-term prediction is hillary clinton approval numbers go up. and they tend to always do when a politician says i'm not running again because the public has a different relationship to that person, that person's not asking anything from them anymore. and they kind of have a -- i think actually a clearer view of who that person is. >> yeah. and some of that will depend on what happens inside the democratic party. i think the democratic party needs to figure out who it is now and, you know, if it's not the brock bam party or hillary clinton party, there's competition for whose party it will be. and how she fits into that is how democrats see her and independents and people writ large i think you are right and the numbers go up and the fact that the book is actually a good
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book will help with that. >> rachel, thank you for another great hour and important interview. >> thank you. we have new reporting from "the new york times" today that gives us new, dramatic details about president trump's unpresidential, very unpresidential reaction to the justice department's appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate donald trump and his family and his campaign associates. the short version of it is that an out of control, livid president called the attorney general sitting there in the oval office with him an idiot and demanded his rez ignition on the spot. and the attorney general called an idiot shook with emotion and then later that day handed over his written resignation. here's how it played out. fade in on interior oval office day, may 17th, 2017.
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in the room, the president, the vice president, the attorney general, white house counsel don mcgahn and other aides not named in "the new york times" reporting today which puts them high on the list of suspects as sources for "the new york times" article. "the new york times" credits their inside information on this story to current and former administration officials. that's the phrase they used and others briefed on the matter. now, some of the former administration officials who were probably in that room are fired white house chief of staff reince priebus and senior adviser steve bannon. coincidentally in the story told to "new york times," priebus and bannon do and say nothing wrong. they're the smart guys in the story. so if you're betting on who the sources of this article, who the sources of this dramatic scene might be, high on your list should be reince priebus and especially steve bannon.
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the man who pledged on sunday night on national television that he would be loyal to trump forever. steve bannon is newly liberated from the white house to tell whatever stories he feels like telling. with his name on those stories, or his name hidden. in the credits. the unnamed credits of those stories. so the meeting in the oval office is to discuss the appointment of a new fbi director and a replacement for james comey who the president fired eight days before and in the middle of the meeting white house counsel don mcgahn revealed a phone call and not clear if he took the call in the oval office or left the room. on the other end of the phone is rod rosenstein saying he was going to appoint a special prosecutor. don mcgahn announces that news in the oval office. almost immediately, mr. trump lobbed a volley of insults at mr. sessions. this is from "the new york times" account telling the attorney general it was his
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fault they were in the current situation, mr. trump told mr. sessions that choosing him to be attorney general was one of the worst decisions he had made. called him an idiot and said that he should resign. mr. sessions told the president he would quit and sent a resignation later to the white house. according to four people, mr. sessions would later tell associates that the demeaning way the president addressed him was the most humiliating experience in decades of public life. and that's coming from a guy humiliated by the united states senate when the senate refused to confirm him as a federal judge in 1986. it was after that that jeff sessions got his revenge on the senate by running for a senate seat and winning. mr. trump ended up rejecting mr. sessions' may resignation letter after senior members of the administration team said it would only create more problems for a president who had already
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fired a fbi director, national security adviser. mr. trump once again in july told aides he wanted to remove mr. sessions but for a second time didn't take action. mr. pence, steven k. bannon, the chief strategist at the time and reince priebus, chief of staff all advised that accepting mr. sessions' resignation would only sow more ayos in the administration and rally republicans in congress against the president. the president relented and eventually returned the resignation letter to mr. sessions with a handwritten response on it. that resignation letter with that handwritten response will now become an exhibit if it hasn't already in the special prosecutor's investigation. joining us now, david frahm for the atlantic, matt miller, former spokesman for former attorney general eric holder and
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judge sugarman from fordham university. david, your reaction to this news today from deep inside the trump administration which remains the leakiest white house in history, even after general kelly came in there to stop the leaks. "the new york times" has apparently when you look at it more sources than they needed to construct this dramatic scene for us today. >> it's important i think to give credit to attorney general sessions who has held fast. he's been obviously as you can see here under ferocious presidential pressure, wanted the investigation stopped. jeff sessions who stepped out of the way to allow rod rosenstein to make the decision. under unrelenting pressure and stayed the course. sessions is a very conservative person. but he is an institutionalist and put in a position before the nomination where i think for reasons of self preservation, he said things that were not true
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in front of a senate committee. i think that must rankle him. he is not an untruthful person by character. he's very conservative and not an untruthful person and he's been holding the line, he is one of the most important defenders of the institution the country has right now and we just got a closer view of what has been brought to bear against him. >> matt miller, you reaction to this scene? the president calling the attorney general an idiot getting the news about a special prosecutor? >> yeah. i think the president's conduct is abhorrent. i think one of the words that struck me is he accused jeff sessions of disloyalty. the jeff sessions decision to recuse himself from the case is not a discretionary choice on his part. it was a black and white requirement under conflict of interest rules and what the president was asking him to do was put loyalty to him, loyalty to donald trump over jeff sessions adherence to the rule
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of law, the requirement to follow the rules, follow the regulations as they were laid out an only think there's one reason for donald trump to do that. why would donald trump care who is in charge of this investigation? if he wasn't worried about where it would go. he wanted jeff sessions in that job still overseeing that investigation i believe because he wanted to steer in it a way that was helpful to him just as he wanted jeff sessions there at the justice department to help him to sign off on the firing of jim comey, an act that's investigated as obstruction of justice. >> professor sugarman, what is your reading of the evidentiary value to the special prosecutor, for example, of this account as presented in "the new york times" today? >> i want to pick up where matthew miller left off with obstruction of justice because you know robert muler is reading the story and going to add it to the list of questions because this ties into one of the key components of an obstruction of justice case. under 18 usc 1312 is a question
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of the effort to corruptly impede, influence or obstruction justice an the scene we have here helps establish, one extra piece of establishing corrupt and intent. why was trump so angry about mueller's appointment and sessions' role? he expected sessions to help him obstruct an investigation firing comey and you see his fear and anger about the appointment. why was he so fearful and angry? paints a picture. by itself it doesn't show corrupt and intent but it is a possibility of being able to flip sessions because he now has some questions about his criminal liability. he may be another witness in this case. >> in light of this story and the possible sourcing of it for "new york times," i think it's worth listening once again to what steve bannon said to charlie rose on "60 minutes" about the firing of james comey.
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>> someone said to me you described the firing of james comey, you're a student of history, as the biggest mistake in political history. >> that would be probably -- that would probably be too bombastic even for me. maybe modern political history. >> the firing of james comey was a biggest mistake in modern political history? >> if you're saying that's associated with me, i'll leave it at that. >> and david frum, days later we have a dramatic account from inside the oval office, something steve bannon would have been able to provide to "the new york times" and now that steve bannon is a fired former trump white house player. david. >> sorry. sorry. go ahead. >> i want your reaction to the coincidence of steve bannon being fired out of the white house and now stories like this start to come out.
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>> well, when steve bannon say that is the firing of james comey was such a terrible mistake, the question is, we're back in the claim of the cover-up is worse than the crime but donald trump may well have feared that he had no other choice, that the consequences of leaving comey in place were even worse. that when you are, you know, when you're in the cross fires like this, you have a diminishing menu of choices. and there is not this suggestion of steve bannon of an innocent way out and everybody would have been fine. that suggests there isn't a big secret behind the door when i think it smells stronger and stronger there is a big secret behind the door. >> listen to hillary clinton said to rachel maddow about this story tonight. >> i think the goal might well have been psychologically to really make jeff sessions who's a very proud man, i served with him in the senate, didn't agree with on him on anything but i
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did serve with him, to make him just be more dependent on pleasing the president. whatever he could do, delivering that speech about daca, only to have trump a few days later say, hey, just kidding. we are going to do something that will keep these young strivers in our country. it's all part of his manipulation. >> matt miller, with your experience in government, your reading of hillary clinton's interpretation of the scene? >> i think secretary clinton is right. especially if you look at the time line here. so this meeting happened on may 17th, the day that bob mueller was appointed. the president demanded jeff sessions resignation. he got it and turned it down. it was two months later in late july where the president started to go and rail jeff sessions and criticize him as weak and then everyone interpreted the behavior to push sessions out the door. i think we have learned he
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wasn't trying to push sessions out the door. you have to ask what he was doing with that public belittling of the attorney general. i think high school clear to bend him to his will. accused him of disloyalty and wanted sessions to know, if you are my attorney general, you cannot do this again. look. the russian investigation jeff sessions recused from. but this is not the last time this white house is going to ask this justice department to do something inappropriate. we have seen sarah sanders do it three days asking the department to investigate jim comey so i think what the president sug naling publicly to sessions is i expect you to do what i want you to do whether it's the right thing to do or not. >> matt miller and jed shugerman, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. republicans are openly attacking the president after he agreed to work on immigration legislation with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. to try to save the dreamers. find a legal framework for them.
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and the president blamed the violence in charlottesville on both sides once again today. ♪ when food is good and clean and real, it's ok to crave. and with panera catering, there's more to go around. panera. food as it should be.
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reviews are on in donald trump's dinner with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi last night and the right wing hates it. bright bart's headline read trump caves on daca, wants quick amnesty for 800,000 illegal aliens.
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ann coulter tweeted put a fork in trump he's dead. the bad news for trump supporters came last night and nancy pelosi and chuck schumer's statement about the din. we agreed to enshrine the protections of daca into law quickly and to work out a package of border security, excludeing the wall, that's acceptable to both sides. the president got nervous about the right wing rebellion this morning and tweeted no deal was made last night on daca. massive border security would have to be agreed to in exchange for consent. would be subject to vote. that provoked a response statement from nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. president trump's tweets are not inconsistent with the an i greemt reached last night. there was agreement on the following. we agreed that the president would support enshrining daca protections in law and encourage the house and senate to act. what remains to be negotiate
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reasonable doubt the details of border security with our mutual goal of finalizing all details as soon as possible. while both sides agreed that the wall would not be part -- any part of this agreement, the president made clear he intends to pursue it at a later time and we made clear we would continue to oppose it. this morning, the president said this. >> well, we're working on a plan subject to getting massive border control. we're working on a plan for daca. people want to see that happen. you have 800,000 young people brought here, no fault of their own and i think something can happen. we'll see what happens but -- something will happen. >> as to the wall that he promised mexico would pay for? the president said this. >> the wall will come later. we're right now renovating large sections of wall, massive sections, making it brand new. we're doing a lot of renovation. we're building four different
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samples of the wall to see which one we're going to choose and the wall is going to be built. it will be funded a little bit later. >> remember donald trump leading the chants, renovate the wall? renovate the wall during the campaign? no? no, i don't either. rush limbaugh made it very clear on the show today that he is ready to turn on donald trump if and when his audience turns on donald trump. rush limbaugh has never been one to lead his audience. he always waits to see where they're going and then follows them as he did in his support for the trump candidacy. >> i stop and i ask myself, would trump really do this? does trump not know how he would blow up the entire support base he has by making a deal with chuck and nancy and taking the wall off the table while granting amnesty to anybody? i don't care if it's children,
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if it's seasoned citizens. i'm asking my -- would trump really do that? is he that -- what? fill in the blank. >> i don't care if it's children. oh, did i mention that rush limbaugh has never had any children? joining us now is tim o'brien of bloomberg view and author of "trump nation: the art of being the donald." a msnbc contributor and back with us is david fro um. i know people look at trump maneuvers and think what is he thinking? what is he up to? my first approach to trump is always, he has no idea what he's talking about and no idea what he's doing. >> he's a profoundly ill informed executive. he doesn't know the nuts and bolts of most of the policys that have come across his desk so far. we saw it in spades on health care and now immigration policy and i don't think it bothers him
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that he is not familiar with the details of the policy because the first goal in all of this is self aggrandizement. i think he got intoxicated last week with the debt ceiling talks because he finally got good press around the notion that this is a white house that can push some kind of policy out the door but i think he was mistaken in his assessment of that because it was a policy that mitch mcconnell and paul ryan had to get on board with. i don't think they're going to get on board with him on daca and certainly not on d.r.e.a.m.ers and i don't think he knows the difference between the two. i think pelosi and schumer tried to roll him. >> there's an argument tonight, david frum, the president saying citizenship, absolutely not. no possibility of citizenship and citizenship is in the democratic approach to this as the end game for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. that's another example of the president doesn't know what they
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are actually talking about whenever they're talking about legislation. >> and he doesn't know what he has been talking about. he doesn't know what his supporters want. immigration restrictionists in the republican party, i'm one of them, had in mind that immigration policy should look something like this. that the things that we most cared about were enforcement at the workplace and a reduction in overall numbers entering the country. to get that, you had to trade something and the thing that we always had in mind to trade was some kind of coverage for people who are brought into the country as children. so that was a concession that you would trade for other things that were important. one of the things that no one serious of immigration ever cared about at all is stupid wall idea. enforcement takes place at the work force and at the workplace and what all of those tom cotton, the intellectual community cared about. so trump unaware of the things that his immigration supporters wanted gave away the daca
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concession for free and in order to chase this dream of a wall that actually people care about immigration don't care about very much. >> let's listen to what nancy pelosi said about this today. >> did the word citizenship come up in the meeting? and, does the president understand that d.r.e.a.m.ers includes a path to citizenship? >> well, i'm not here to speak about what the president understands. but, you know, i do believe that there is an understanding that down the road there's an eventual path to citizenship in the d.r.e.a.m. act. >> and there's a report tonight from politico of donald trump's attitude of the congress leaders saying trump complained in private there's a difficult of a relationship with mitch mcconnell and told staff he finds speaker paul ryan a boy scout dry, as well.
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the two have some rapaport. he said they talk more in non washington terms he understands. according to people familiar with their meetings and, tim o'brien, i think we know what we have got going on there. chuck schumer knows how to play this guy. >> he does. and the mystery here is that trump needs mcconnell and ryan ultimately much more than he needs pelosi and schumer but because he deals at this very shallow, superficial level of can i that you can to you or do you look like a boy scout, he runs into serious problems getting the legislation pushed through. >> david, it seems the president loses sight of the fact that nancy pelosi doesn't have the ability to advance legislation in the house of representatives. there isn't a process for her to get a bill brought up and get a vote on anything. almost a similar constraint on chuck schumer. and you can't move anything
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without those republican leaders. >> you know what? neither can paul ryan. that -- i think one of the reasons the president is disrespectful of paul ryan is that paul ryan doesn't have power either because he doesn't control the majority of the house of representatives. he controls a majority of the republican faction within the republican party within the house of representatives but not enough to pass bills so he -- ryan's position is more analogous to that of nancy pelosi than the traditional majority leader versus minority leader. but it is amazing that donald trump thinks -- of course chuck schumer and nancy pelosi are jolly with him. they have his watch. they have his wallet. why wouldn't they be pleased? >> right. let's listen to what steve king said about this today. >> if there's amnesty delivered into this package then i don't know that any candidate could run for president again and make a promise and expect the people
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to accept that promise. i think rehe nekt 2020 is difficult for the president with amnesty of daca and if amnesty with daca and a wall is not at least under robust construction by then. >> tim, there's the terms of the moster if vert trump supporters. nothing they call amnesty. >> in fact, that was a very sober moment with steve king because on twitter today he actually said if trump pursues this course he will blow up the relationship with the base and he is done. and that everyone will realize that none of his promises are reliable. that's the dangerous ground. rush limbaugh suggests that. 39 instances of trump trashed amnesty. reminding him that he has a long history of the other side of this issue. he's in trouble with the base around this stuff. >> tim and david, thanks for joining us tonight.
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really appreciate it. up next, the president just brought all of his problems with white supremacists crashing back on top of him once again. the president got into it again today and he sees the same problems on what he calls both sides. ♪ with 33 individual vertebrae and 640 muscles in the human body no two of us are alike. life made more effortless through adaptability. the perfect position seat in the lincoln continental. ♪ t's dance grandma! you don't let anything keep you sidelined. come on!t's dance that's why you drink ensure. with 9 grams of protein, and 26 vitamins and minerals...
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2017, in charlottesville, virginia, and rejecting white nationalists, white su supremists and ku klux klan and calls the murder of heather heyer a domestic terror attack and urges the president and administration to speak out against hate groups that espouse racism, extremism and white supremacy. yesterday, the president met with senator tim scott of south carolina in the white house to discuss these issues. today, the president was asked about that meeting with the republican's only african-american senator. >> we had a great talk yesterday. i think especially in light of the advent of the antifa, if you look at when's going on there, you know, you have some pretty bad dudes on the other side, also. and essentially, that's what i said. now, because of what's happened since then, with antifa, you look at, you know, really, when's happened since
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charlottesville, a lot of people are saying, in fact, a lot of people have actually written, gee, trump might have a point. i said, you have some very bad people on the other side, also, which is true. >> the congressional resolution did not ask the president to speak out against antifa and the day the president signs that resolution the only group, the only group he speaks about is antifa, the group that was there to protect the people who were protesting white supremacy and nazis. we'll have more on president trump and the other side next.
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here's what the president had to say in the aftermath of the murder of heather heyer this charlottesville and congress now called a terrorist attack. >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. i do think there's blame on both sides. you look at -- you look at both sides, i think there's blame on both sides. and i have no doubt about it. and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> joining us now, eddie glog chairman for the center of african-american studies at princeton university and reverend mark thompson, host of make it plain on sirius xm progress 127.
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eddie, we are back to many sides or both sides or what the president today just called the other side and when asked to comment about this today after the congressional resolution naming the kkk and others, the only group he could name was antifa. >> yeah. i guess this is a sense of his deafness to this issue. one of the things we do know is there are kinds of sensitivities that evidence themselves in these sorts of moments and it seems to me that president trump finds it very difficult to not engage in this false equivalence. because he's in some ways engaging in a slight of hand. right? that is to kind of get us to see that there is a lot of blame to pass around. so that we don't really focus on the fact that white supreme cysts were at the core of what happened in charlottesville and the core of some people who support him. in some ways. >> mark, when you look at this congressional resolution,
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there's nothing ambiguous about it. there's no trumpian piece of this congressional resolution. it goes straight at the real problem. >> thanks as always for having me, lawrence. need not reinvent the wheel. i think you said this is the stupidest and most ignorant president in history. jemele hill of espn called him a white supreme. he comes out and suggests, well, nobody had that idea. why would you suggest that? even when woodrow wilson premiered birth of a nation in the white house the movie depicted this racist fantasy of an african-american causing the death of a young white woman,
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the white supremacists that he's -- killed a white woman. he says that. it is one side. and he needs to speak out against it. >> so this -- it's today a question about his meeting yesterday with tim scott, the republican senator, the only african-american republican senator and tim scott put out this statement today about what the president said today. he said, in yesterday's meeting, this is from his office, in yesterday's meeting, senator scott was very, very clear about the brutal history surrounding the white supremacist movement and rome wasn't built in a day and to expect the president's rhetoric to change based on one 30-minute conversation is unrealistic. antifa is bad and should be condemned, yes. but the kkk is killing and tormenting black americans for cent ris. there is no realistic comparison.
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period. >> i think that's absolutely right. we can't expect donald trump to change because of the photo opportunity that he orchestrated with senator scott. that's the first thing. the second thing we need to suggest or say very clearly, lawrence, is this. it is a longstanding practice in the united states when confronting racist organizations that are violent to in some ways castigate those who resist the organizations. so there's a reason why we often associate law and order with nixon when, in fact, law and order was invoked over and against dr. king in those nonviolent protesters. we need to understand that the naacp was likened to the kkk. alabama banned that organization. >> yes. >> right. >> so the argument to equate antifa, cornel west was there with clergy protesting in charlottesville and said they would have been fundamentally harmed if antifa didn't show up.
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they would have been hurt. he said, in fact, they would be dead. so this false equivalency is really the slight of hand, really to hide what trump truly believes. trump truly believes that those folk who side with with him, right, actually reflect views that animate his own position. that's what we need to be clear. >> mark, the whole point of arranging this meeting for senator tim scott and the photo opportunity sitting there with the black senator to get the problem behind him. >> you said it. meets with congressmen and talks about daca saying we zrnt a deal. he changes all the time. he may something and come back tomorrow and say something different from what he said before that. that's what he does. senator scott said he can't expect him to change in a day. his father discriminated in housing. he called for the central park five to be executed. he's been called out for his racism all his life. it's time he wake up and grow up.
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>> first time his name ever appeared in "the new york times" donald trump was in a case of racial discrimination in the housing practices of the trump company. >> that's right. >> professor and mark thompson, thank you both for joining us. the latest threat from north korea. i'll have the langoustine lobster ravioli. for you, sir? the original call was for langoustine ravioli. a langoustine is a tiny kind of lobster. a slight shellfish allergy rules that out, plus my wife ordered the langoustine. i will have chicken tenders and tater tots. if you're a ref, you way over-explain things. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance you switch to geico. sir, we don't have tater tots. it's what you do. i will have nachos! but he hasoke up wwork to so he took aleve. if he'd taken tylenol, he'd be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain
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capital at 6:27 p.m. eastern standard time this evening. the missile flew over japan and traveled 2,300 miles before landing in the pacific ocean east of japan. this is the second missile launched by north korea over japan in three weeks. according to u.s. pacific launc threat to north america or to the island of guam. the white house says president trump has been briefed on the situation by chief of staff general john kelly, secretary of state rex tillerson issued this statement tonight saying "we call on all nation to take new measures against the kim regime. china supplies north korea with most of its oil. china and russia must indicate their intolerance for these reckless missile launches by taking direct actions of their own." in response to north korea's latest launch, the u.n. security council will have a closed meeting at 3:00 p.m. on friday.
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in the last hour this evening with rachel, former secretary of state hillary clinton said this. >> diplomacy with north korea is complicated. it requires people who know the language. the customs. the history. we have decimated our state department. foreign service officers with decades of experience have either been ignored or in some cases pushed so hard that they have resigned. right now, we need the best people we can possibly muster to have a full-court press on diplomacy, and then we can see realistically where we are. >> joining us now from tokyo is nbc news correspondent matt bradley. matt bradley, what has been japan's official reaction to this? >> reporter: well, thanks, lawrence. you know, there was no injuries or deaths here on the ground in japan because of this missile
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test, but it did really cause the japanese government and the japanese public to sit up and take notice. now, of course, the japanese, they launched this over the northernmost island of hokkaido, as you mentioned. and they were able to alert their citizens via the j-alert system. this is something that's commonly used here. actually sends out alerts via text message and puts alerts on television telling people here to take cover. this was, as you mentioned, the second time the north koreans launched a weapon over the japanese. this is a lot like when they did it in late august, used the so-called husong-12, kiss think from the icbm. it was a lot like that. it landed about 1,200 kilometers east of the japanese islands. this latest test was clearly a response to a set of united nations sanctions that came earlier this week.
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now, that really enraged the north koreans, lawrence, because those sanctions were actually meant to dock the oil imports to north korea which are crucial to their economy by about 30% and blocked air exports of textiles, a huge source of foreign currency for the north koreans. this test was very anticipated by intelligence sources. they've seen for the past day the north koreans fueling this rocket on a platform in north korea just outside of seoul, and, you know, just in the past several hours, we've been waiting for this attack. the japanese decided they weren't going to actually shoot this down once they realized the trajectory, once they realized it wasn't going to be going toward the island of guam which, of course, kim jong-un had earlier in the past several weeks said that he would encircle with flame. this launch did come an a day after the north koreans said threaten japan, saying they would sink the japanese
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archipelago, and in that same statement said that they would reduce the united states to ashes and beat it like a rabid dog. that's the kind of fhorid threats we've gotten used to hearing from the north koreans over the past several years. this was very significant because it was the first major missile test since the north koreans tested a thermonuclear weapon. that's something about ten times the size of the nuclear missile the u.s. dropped on hiroshima. we're waiting to see if they'll be able to marry the icbm technology with the nuclear technology. that's the next big threat we have to look forward to here, lawrence. >> mad matt bradley, thank you for that report. up next a report on the u.s. virgin islands tonight after the devastation inflicted there by hurricane irma. it is still a very difficult, very hard situation there. dates. you look amazing.
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today the president surveyed the damage in naples, florida, nearly one in four homes and businesses in florida are still without power. the president said he's going to puerto rico and the u.s. virgin islands next week. msnbc's stephanie ruhl is in st. john in the u.s. virgin islands with the latest on the recovery efforts. >> reporter: lawrence, anyone thinking hurricane irma is over, it's not, and remember, it didn't just hit the continental united states. i'm here in the u.s. virgin islands. in the island of st. john. look at these boats behind me. destroyed.
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everyone person has been affected whether they lost their home, their roof of their job. remember the virgin islands we all say is like this paradise we visit, tourism is their one industry. some say 60 pk of their gdp, it's more like l 80%. the hotels will not be opening any time soon. it's raining so hard they risk landslides. fema arrived but on a limited basis. people haven't seen a huge military presence. fema came, looked at some houses but didn't mark them. we saw aid come. mike bloomberg brought quite a been. there have been some ngos. fema delivered 400,000 meals and liters of water but infrastructure is the name of the game here. they don't have steel, they don't have concrete. most of the island has no cell service.
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this is going to be a long-term, multi-year problem for this region. a problem that this administration needs to face. >> stephanie is going to continue to be reporting from continue to be reporting from the u.s. virgin islands for us tomorrow. the 11th with brian williams is next. tonight the art of the deal, tons of confusion on what just was agreed upon at dinner with chuck and nancy as the president fends off criticism from the very people who put him into office. plus new details on the humiliation suffered by attorney general jeff sessions when trump dressed him down in the oval office after robert mueller was appointed. and the president down on his both side comments in the wake of charlottesville. then signs a resolution tonight condemning hatred, bigotry and racism in all formts as the 11th hour gets under


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