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on the domestic side, the fbi director, have both said it didn't happen. so, if those in the intelligence community, leaders are telling you it didn't happen and yet you're hearing there's going to be an investigation in congress, that's got to leave you a little puzzled. >> john mclaughlin with the last word in the 2:00 hour. former acting director of the cia as well. hallie jackson at the white house, kasie hunt, i know we'll get her, also bill, "weekly standard," joan walsh, charlie sykes, thank you for joining me for that quick ten minutes. that wraps things up for me. i'm katy tur. kate snow picks things up with a full hour, we promise. >> yes, thank you so much. hello to you. i'm kate snow. here are our top stories at this hour. it is full speed ahead for republicans on the hill. work has started now on modifying their obamacare replacement plan, but it is far from a sure thing. coming up, the faxes inside the gop, each fighting for their own visions of what this law should
be. also this afternoon, rallies across the country. it is international women's day. we have a live report for you along with one of our favorite stories of the day. a wall street firm, did you see this, they put up a statue of a little girl fearlessly staring down that well-known bronze charging bull. it's coming, i promise. there it is. she's staring him down. finally, the survivors club, an important look back at the horrors of auschwitz with someone who was there, actually in the photograph you're looking at. as yet another bomb threat called into a jewish community center in connecticut. we have all of our reporters in the place with all of the latest news as it's unfolding and reaction from former white house press secretary ari fleischer in a moment. let's go to our top political story, and i'm joined by chris jansing. kasie hunt continues her marvelous work on capitol hill. i don't think she's sleeping.
and sabina, political reporter with "the guardian." ladies, i love it's all ladies. sean spicer spent a lot of that briefing last hour trying to sell this new health care plan, trying convince everybody it's an improvement over what we all have now. he says obamacare has given people insurance cards, but he said not necessarily anything more than a card. take a listen. oh, sorry, we don't have the sound kud up there. he said, look, it was just a promise and just a card, it doesn't do you any good. you don't have effective health care coverage. he's really trying to make that case. so, talk about how that's playing on capitol hill and whether they think they're winning over fellow republicans. >> i mean, they're in full sell mode, that's how he put it today. they have been making phone calls, talking to people. as you know, they brought people in who are part of the whip team on the republican side yesterday. and today. they're bringing in some of what
you might call the opposition. part of the problem for this administration isn't just the folks on capitol hill who fall into several groups, including those who think, frankly, it's too expensive. others are concerned about the people in their districts who are going to be taken off of it, but then you have groups like conservative -- conservative groups who are going to be in the white house today, who have all of those concerns. would you have also got some powerful lobbying groups, the aarp. a lot of reports people in their 50s and 60s are among the people who will be hurt most seriously by this. and then a number of medical groups, at least four, the american hospital association and american medical association among them, who are also expressing concerns. i asked, point blank of sean spicer a few minutes ago, is this on the president? he went on the campaign trail and said, this is what i do. i make deals. and sean spicer said, that's what he is.
he is a deal-maker. so, he is taking this on. part of the strategy, sending the message that if this doesn't get done when he talks to members of congress, the people who put you in office aren't going to be very happy come election time. >> this is like three-dimensional chess for the president, right? you're standing in the hall and talking to members as they walk by you. give us the minute by minute. what do we think right now at 3:04 p.m. eastern? >> reporter: yeah, kate, we're down -- you've been here. the basement of the russell senate office building. we've been camped out to try to head people back to their office after votes. a senator i spoke to privately in the hall, wondering how it's possible for democrats to pass this through congress. there's a couple of reasons for that. first, you have the raw numbers and you have the faces we've all seen who have been out in front of cameras saying, look, this bill is not conservative enough or, look, i'm worried about medicaid because i'm more moderate. those seem to present a lot of
problems. there are some realities out there in the world for republicans that are different for -- from what it was when democrats were able to actually successfully pass a major health reform law. this is a very difficult undertaking and republicans are missing a lot of the advantages the democrats had. their president is less popular. arguably the speaker of the house, paul ryan, has a more fractured, difficult to corral caucus than then house speaker nancy pelosi did when she was doing this. frankly, the republican base is much more ginned up about this. they have a certain set of things they find acceptable and everything else is unacceptable. democrats had a little more space and flexibility. obviously, their base wanted a public option. the president was able to lead them into a different place that was still acceptable. the consequences were still incredibly high. democrats lost the house after they passed this bill. obviously, they've been paying a political price ever since. this is the difficult line here
in congress for republicans as they try to negotiate it. now, the speaker is relying on the president, especially today. you've seen them kind of come out and say, we finally have some clarity from the white house. they are going to put their finger on the scale in an aggressive way. at the end of the day, the argument is, hey, this is what you ran on. you've been running on this for eight years. are you really going to walk away from this now? it's our one shot to do it. it would be a major blow to every republican on capitol hill if we saw this year come and go and their attempts to repeal obamacare failed. that's really the main. kate, if you give me a second. senator graham, we're live and i'm interrupting a phone conversation. >> i just talked to. >> reporter: will you talk to me one more time. forgive me, kate, i'm going to switch topics up. sent a letter on russia with your colleague senator whitehouse. can you explain a little of that? >> sure. president obama -- excuse me, president trump claims president
obama's administration targeted his campaign, trump tower in the teet. i have no knowledge of that. but he's challenged the congress to help him, so, let's help. i wrote doj, the fbi director, if you have any evidence of a warrant being issued, tell us about it. >> reporter: would you subpoena this information if you don't get it? senator cotton, by the way. >> there's no reason for them not to give it to us. all we asked for was a warrant issued? if they don't give it to us, yeah, subpoena. i'm not trying to compromise classified information or compromise an investigation. the question is, was there ever a warrant issued? this is a major deal for the country. i want to get to the bottom of it. i think the doj and fbi director, that's a reasonable request, i hope they comply. >> reporter: do you want the fbi directory give you any more information about any investigation -- do you want them to tell you they're investigating, period? >> first thing's first. i want to find out, was a warrant issued against the trump campaign for illegal activity.
that's not too much to ask. the answer is either yes or no. if the answer is no, we can move on and say there was no surveillance by the obama administration through the warrant process. then the question is, did they do something illegally, and highly count that. what was the other question? >> reporter: what's the deadline you have for this information? >> congress is doing an investigation of all things russia. and if there is an ongoing criminal investigation, and i have no idea if there is, clapper said there was no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russians on his watch, i don't want to run into their investigation. i want to honor their investigation. so, i can't do this blindly. all i need to know, if there is a criminal investigation, i want to stay away from it and let them do their job. if there's not, then i'll decide where to go. >> reporter: thank you for your time, sir. i really appreciate it. we're live. kate, back to you. >> you said there was a reason you were standing in the basement of -- i assume you're in the russell building, a
senate office building. it's where they have to go so she gets them. thank you, kasie. >> reporter: it is. >> back to health care. i want to talk about not just the politics but the actual policy we're talking about. sean spicer was asked, will people's deductibles go down. will americans see their deductibles drop. this was his answer just now at the briefing. >> are you promising people their deductibles will come down under this plan? >> everything we have been led to believe about how this is -- yes, this will drive costs down. when you talk about opening up, pooling, driving costs down because you can buy it over state lines, everything that has driven up costs, all of those market forces that will come in and i think every leading economist that's look at this says this will drive costs down. >> he says every leading economist that has looked at this. i've seen a whole lot of outside groups saying other things. where do they get information this will definitely drive
everybody's costs down but he didn't answer the premium question? >> what you're seeing from the white house and leaders on capitol hill is to preempt the congressional budget office, which will tell us more about impact both --is bill will >> what does that mean, score? >> well, it will assess, of course, this bill in terms of how many millions will gain or lose access to health insurance as well as what the effect will be on health care premiums. and i think it's just an effort to try and corral those who have concerns over the way this particular health care bill is crafted. it's notable the opposition is coming not just from conservative, it's also coming from moderate republicans who are worried about how this bill guts the medicaid expansion that directly affects many of their constituents as well as at least two women -- republican women in the senate, lisa band susan collins. it's clear republicans, too, are
concerned with the potential impact this bill will have on health care sxorchcoverage and . it's not clear how paul ryan gets to 218 votes in the house. he projected confidence that this bill will passes in its current form. they can only afford to lose 21 votes. it's not clear how they'll get to those votes. >> chris jansing, is anybody showing signs of nervousness at the white house? they could have picked anything to start out their agenda to get through capitol hill. they picked this, they picked obamacare. they might have thought it would be the easiest thing to do first and now it's not looking that way. >> reporter: i don't think anybody who was paying attention thought it would be easy, although the president at one point did express that he was surprised by how complicated it was. nothing like this has ever before been done. we've talked about this before, kate. you have never seen a program that affects millions of americans repealed in this way, which is why you're seeing so
much of the pushback. having that said, this is a president who also believes he's been able to do things nobody thought could get done. so, he's going to not only be making those phone calls, having the meetings he's going to have through the night. he's got his -- not just him, but other people out. we saw this morning local radio. sean spicer was on local radio. kellyanne conway was on local radio. he'll make multiple trips out into those districts of some of the people who may be on the fence. so, the messaging is very strong. this is something he clearly believes he can get done. and when you just look at where his numbers are right now, which are in the 40s, he's under water in terms of his approval rating. we know how he feels about that. this is a high-stakes opportunity for him to turn that around, potentially. >> chris jansing at the white house. kasie hunt on capitol hill, if she's still there. i think she's running after somebody else. sabrina, thank you. >> reporter: amazing. >> i love the energy.
thanks to all of you. we appreciate the up-to-the-minute information. back to the health care debate as we've been talking about. we know democrats are not on board with the repeal. let's dig down on what we were just talking about. who to watch as the bill moves forward. first on the republican side. you've got the leadership, people like senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, house speaker paul ryan and the people who support the plan that's been put forward. standing opposed you have the conservatives, weld we could call them. senator rand paul, george of the freedom caucus. they are asking for a full repeal, a clean slate. then the medicaid defenders. snors and congressmen from the midsection of this country. they're wary of any plan that doesn't include protection for all the people in their states who gained coverage under medicaid expansion. then the planned parenthood defenders, the repeal effort could strip half a billion dollars from that organization.
susan collins and lisa murkowski, both republicans, opposed a repeal measure in 2015 largely because of that issue. finally you've got the unknown. we're looking at you, ted cruz. we really know what he thinks about this. by the way, he's going to the white house tonight. with all that said, i'm going to move over here. i want to talk about what the white house is up against. with our old friend, ari fleischer, who knows a little about what this is like to be in a white house when you've -- you've been in both. you've been on capitol hill and in the white house during very large congressional battles. of course, former press secretary for the white house under george w. bush. i just laid out all those groups they're up against. can the white house do it and how? >> yes. this is called good government. i've never seen a time when a major announcement was made about legislation where everybody said, i'm for, it it's going to pass. if that's the case, you wouldn't need legislation because there's no controversy. this is typical for announcement
day. now comes the hard lifting of being the majority in congress. you have to get your people in a row, get it supported. we know what passes the house, won't pass the senate. what passes the house and senate then goes to a conference committee where they have to iron it out. we're at the beginning of the process. >> ted cruz, we called him the mystery man, we don't know where he stands. he's a member of the freedom caucus. he didn't come to that press conference we carried on our show yesterday. what do you think. he's going to the white house tonight. do you have any sense for what he'll do? >> i think president trump is being smart to talking to senator rand paul, senator ted cruz. he's doing the old-fashioned work of talking privately and addressing people's concerns. that's how you get support for legislation. smart thing to do. we'll see how ted comes out. >> what about conservative outside groups because we're hearing from the club for growth against the plan, heritage action for american, americans for prosperity, freedom works, u.s. chamber of commerce is for the plan. if you look at all the groups
that would normally rally around a conservative cause, you have quite a few, fair to say, that are not? >> they could tank this. there's the possibility if they do the things they say they're going to do, nothing gets done. here's the problem and i hope everyone recognizes this. the big welfare state was built up by democrats who were smart enough to do it incrementally. every year make it bigger, bigger. republicans, especially conservatives, we have to recognize we cannot take it down overnight. we'll fail. if we're smart we can undo it year by year by year. that's how you're successful. i worry there's such a penalt u we have to have the perfect, we promised -- >> that's what they promised. >> they promised repeal. this is something bill clinton vetoed twice. this is a massive reform republicans tried to get 20 years ago and got stopped. now we're on the verge of getting it done. there's so much good conservative policy reform in what the house is talking about. move it forward, move the process forward, don't kill it,
let it get to the key, crucial step of that conference committee and then see if republicans are worthy of legislating. can we hold a majority and do what the people elected us to do. >> i asked about what we were talking to senator graham about, which is saturday morning tweet storm from the president where he accuses president obama of wiretapping trump tower. there's an article in the "new york times" today, maggie haberman and others, who writes president trump sent all those tweets that led to frantic staff calls. by midafternoon, after he plays golf, he says there's actually a couple reporters on the piece, they say he appeared to realize he had gone too far. the "times" say that created the mother of all messaging migraines for his staff. you're laughing because you can imagine f you're the messaging staff, the communications staff and he sent out the number of tweets he sent out. i guess my question is, where do they go from here? is there anyone in the white house, i say this with all seriousness and deference to the president, is there anyone who can stop him from a bad idea?
>> one, i hope the president did recognize he went too far to call the predecessor president a criminal. the sad thing is, there was a nugget of truth to what the president was saying. there was a "new york times" story on january 19th that the headline was intercepted russian communications part of trump associates. one sentence in the story, one official says intelligence reports based on wiretap communications had been provided to the white house. why is the obama white house receiving wiretaps of an investigation? >> but that's a lot different -- >> totally different. he had a nugget if he had called the white house staff together, i'm concerned about this, i want to say something about this. get the lawyers in here, communications people in here, i want to know exactly what took place and issue a statement. instead, these tweets can damage him. that's what happened on saturday. he went too far. he was too hot. that also worries about his temperament in other issues. what frustrates me is i think there are so many ingredients here that donald trump can work with to be a very successful president.
the economy is already doing better. right track, wrong track has turned around. if donald trump could just govern in that matter and koom things down a notch or three, leave some of these injudicious treats aside, symptom criminalizing your opponents, he could be a successful president. he needs to cool it down, calm it down, legislate and be successful. he can do that. he'll be a very successful president. >> ari fleischer, good have your perspecti perspective. up next, we'll hear from congressman mark ford, one of the freedom caucus members we were talking about. unhappy with the bill. plus the emotional story of one of the youngest survivors of the holocaust coming up. nd new . nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels.
go to readthebill.go. . it repeals obamacare spending, taxes and mandates. it creates a vibrant market where insurance companies compete for your business, where you have lower costs, more choices and greater control over your health care. and it returns power. this is most important. this returns power from washington back to doctors and patients. back to states. >> that was house speaker paul ryan earlier today touting some key points of the new republican health care plan. as we've been reporting, not all republicans are on board with that new plan.
yesterday you saw members of the freedom caucus criticizing the bill, calling for full repeal of the affordable care act and a different replacement plan. for more i want to bring in a member of the house freedom caucus, mark sanford joins us from south carolina. thank you for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> you heard paul ryan. he says he has no doubt that the bill will pass the u.s. house of representatives. is he going to be able to do that? >> well, i hope so. and i believe so, but i think there's a little bit of refinement between here and there. >> would you vote for this piece of legislation right now as written? >> presently, no. but you think there's going to be refinement on this bill that will ultimately make it appealing to conservatives as well. >> what do you need to see changed? >> i think one of the dangerous things in it is the idea of continued medication expansion. if you look at the provision, basically it allows governors to opt in over the next couple of years. i think that allows for
something of a blank check that all of us would pay for as taxpayers. so, i don't like that open-ended nature of what comes next for the taxpayer liability. i think this notion of refundable tax credits is a problem in that it's -- it's -- you know, any time you get a direct check to an individual, that's what we classify as an entitlement in washington, d.c. they're very, very difficult to crime. they're very difficult to stop. once it's in place, i don't know how you reverse that. and as a conservative, a new entitlement is a problem in an age that we can't pay for entitlements already. >> are you saying you don't want any more medicaid expansion, you want that to go away so those who have been able to get medicaid in their states because of obamacare, you want that to shrink back and no tax credits, am i understanding right? >> i think there are other ways to skin the cat where it's not an open-ended commitment. i think you can raise the number to, let's say, 150% of the
poverty level and applies to all states and say that's it. if you leaf it open-ended you don't know where that falls and i think that's a big liability. as to tax credits, i think they're problematic. i think that, again, it's another open-ended tax commitment from the taxpayer standpoint that we don't know the cost of. >> in your view, then, what should health care look like in this country? if i'm not going to get a tax credit and i'm -- or not me, but anyone's not going to get a tax credit, how do people pay for health care? what does your vision look like? >> you make it more affordable. one of the problems with the affordable care act is it had a list of enumerated benefits that raised the cost. as a consequence, a lot of young people looked at that list and said, i don't need all that stuff. i'm not signing up. i would rather pay the penalty. they did that to the tunes of millions and millions of young people. one of the things you have to get your arms around is, again, allowing, which is the bill senator paul and i did, does, allowing for less expensive forms of insurance. letting people pick from the
buffett of what makes sense for them and their families. the health care needs of a young person are different from someone middle aged or older. >> congressman, have you heard from the white house yet? have you gotten the phone call to go have dinner with the president? >> our group has. we were inviting next tuesday night for dinner up at white house. and i think that would offer another chance for robust conversation between freedom caucus and the president. >> did you say next tuesday night? >> maybe i wasn't supposed to say that. sometime in the future. we'll back that up. some time in the future you've been invited to go to the white house, which is not surprising. do you in any way, congressman, think you take a risk if you go against this president, if you stand firm and say, let's say they don't make the changes they want and you say, i can't support this. is that politically dangerous for you going up against this white house? >> certainly. i mean, he -- he had a bunch of contestants in the republican primary and he slew them all. the idea of being on the wrong
side of his twitter account i don't think appeals tomy member of congress. i think i take it back to his world. his world is that of a negotiator. he would never accept opening bid on much of anything in his real estate projects. he's talked continuously about the need for negotiation. as a conservative, you say, this is the opening bid. here are some places we think we ought to refine. let's begin a conversation. i think that's healthy and what we want to see in the legislative process. >> mark sanford, thank you for being with us. up next, women across the country gathering for rallies on what's being called a day wot a woman. meant to show that women shouldn't be taken for granted at work and to highlight disparities in rights and pay. we'll go live to one of those rallies. you're looking at one in washington, d.c.
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>> reporter: well, kate, this is another rally that's happening here. there have been several all day that we started in alexandria, virginia, where they had to close schools because so many teachers and staff called in for a day of leave, a day of strike, if you will. very careful about how people are calling -- what people are calling this day. this is the department of labor and this is mostly about labor issues, about equal pay, about workplace harassment, so on, so forth. we were at a rally earlier about reproductive rights earlier. i want to introduce you to two d.c. area teachers who are with us who are here as part of the crowd. and you both took the day off, although it's not a day off, as you put it, because you're here working. so, why is this not a day off? >> this is not a day off because as teachers, we feel like our job, obviously, is to educate. and to advocate for the values and the ethics that we stand behind and our school stands behind. and we feel being out here right now, we're doing the same.
>> teachers should be up-standers and should be the people who sort of intervene on behalf of folks who are not getting the same sort of opportunities as others. that's our jobs so we feel -- >> reporter: i gather you have a wide range of issues, again, all day i've heard issues from domestic violence to reproductive rights to pay equity. what is your big concern? >> my big concern is the fair shot for all. and whether it's a job thing or a domestic thing, it doesn't matter. there should be a fair shot for all. >> reporter: i have a daughter who's a third grader. you really feel -- there are still things that can be done legislatively as well. i know there's a lot of anti-president trump sentiment here as well. some are political, some not political. this is supposed to go on for a couple of hours. it's a march in another direction. many groups here representing
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people across this country that i meet tell me the affordable care act saved my life. thank you to the democrats for making sure that we had access to health care. and this ready, fire, aim approach to repeal is not only short-sighted, it makes america less healthy. it doesn't make our economy any better. what it does is help the mega wealthy. >> that was newly elected dnc chair, tom perez, talking about the republican health care plan after a closed door meeting with the democratic caucus earlier today. for more now, i want to bring in someone who was in that meeting this morning. congressman joe crowley from new york, serves as chairman of the democratic caucus. talk to me about that meeting. democrats getting their heads together, trying to figure out how to fight this thing.
obviously, you don't like it. what are you going to do? >> well, i think this rush for the republicans to get this bill through, basically just jam this bill together, all these different parts, flop it out into the community today, you can really see -- i think they embarrassed themselves by this process. everything they said that was wrong about how they thought the affordable care act was passed pales in comparison. it's obnoxious. less than 48 hours before the committee started we had the bill. very little time to go through it. it's an affront to the american people. it's an affront to the american people because it actually has them pay more for less coverage. >> yet i just got on the commercial break an e-mail from the speaker's office with bullet points about why this bill is great. i want to play sound from paul ryan earlier today. this is what he said about obamacare and how obamacare
stands right now. >> this law is rapidly collapsing. let's not forget that. premium went up double digit this is year in 31 states. the insurers are telling us it will be even worse next year if we stay on this path. choices had dwindled to the point that one out of every three counties in america is left with just one insurer to choose from. >> what about that, congressman. there are little doubt there are problems, and democrats agree there are problems with the way things are working right now. who do you blame for those problems? who created this mess? >> i think it's important to know every attempt right now in the last seven years has been to completely repeal the affordable care act. it's not about fixing the affordable care act. i would like to say not repeal but repair the affordable care act. and i think one of the contributing factors, primarily amongst republican governors, to not intement the affordable care act as written. i think that certainly added to
it. it was almost a self-fulfilling proffy, to see this bill fully implemented is actually adding to its collapse. so, in many respects, they have themselves to blame for. i think the shortcomings so far of the bill. overall we should let it move forward and continue to support it and bolster it. not take it away. >> republican congressman mo brooks said, right now the speaker of the house does not have the votes to pass this bill unless he's got substantial democratic support. what's your reaction to that? will they get democratic support? will some of your colleagues join in, do you think? >> i'm highly suspect any democrat will break rank and support this bill. it is simply antithetical to what we as democrats believe is important in terms of health care. that is ensuring as many people as possible can get coverage. the republican bill will definitely rip coverage away from people who have it today.
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auschwitz, michael bornstein, along with his daughter, who, by the way is a freelance producer here at msnbc. the two of them have written a book called "survivors' club" about not only his time at auschwitz but the family's time during the war and the struggles they faced and after liberation as well. mike, so nice for you to come and join us. debbie, thanks for being here. i want to talk about the picture on the cover of the book. because that little boy with the blond hair in the front right of your picture there on your screen is you. >> yes. >> you were 4 years old in that picture. how did you first figure out that that was you? >> well, we went to a movie called "the chosen" and they had a close-up of my tattoo. and so i was just amazed that that was me. >> that was in the 1980s, right? >> that's correct. >> can i -- do you mind showing us the tattoo? >> not at all. you said you didn't mind during the commercial. that's the tattoo you saw in the photo. what's the number? >> b-1148.
i remember that one. >> and you said that that's all you were known as. you weren't michael. you weren't mike back then. >> that's correct. >> it's an incredible story, debbie, of how your dad survived. he was hidden by his own mother in her. >> yeah, there were so many pieces of the story, each one is miraculous. the fact that his mother was able to hide him in the women's bunk. the fact that as it turns out, we learned the only reason he missed the death march at auschwitz and survived was because he was in the infirmary at the very end of the war. there were so many more miracles we didn't know -- once we pieced it altogether, i had been begging to write this story. >> and you didn't -- like you didn't want to tell the story for a long time. >> no, i didn't. i was just ashamed of my tattoo. just, you know -- >> positive vibe. >> right. and my mother always said, this
too shall pass, but debbie and my grandchildren encouraged me to go ahead and tell the story. and i'm glad she did. >> and why do you think it's so important, right now, i mean, i imagine given what i just reported about threats against synagogues and jewish community centers, more than ever, you must think it's important to for people to read a story like this. >> i do. and there's so much anti-semitism, but other discrimination in the world. and i think we need to know to try to cut that out, that i think the government needs to do something, and senators as you mentioned are doing something. so, that's very important. >> debbie, same question to you. what was it that you wanted to do with this book? >> i have been asking him to write this story for years and didn't know why he wouldn't talk, but i have to tell you know given the stories you're reporting and when i'm here that i'm reporting, i realize that maybe the timing of this book release is as fated as his survival. i don't think there's ever been a better time to be reminded of
what happens when discrimination is ignored. >> if i can end on a positive note, many people in your family survived. i mean, really miraculously. the stories are incredible. and you brought one thing with you that your family still keeps -- where did that come from? >> this came from poland, it's a kiddish cup. it's a cup to make blessings. my mother and father hid it and the gnat zis were coming in, they hit jewels and other things. my mother came back and this is the only thing she'd found. so, it's a real important treasure for us. >> and you still use it on the sabbath, i imagine. >> yes. >> a very happy occasion. >> we've used it at all of our kids weddings, bar mitzvahs and we're very happy with it. >> we toast to a book release. >> yes. the book is out now. i would note too that it's written so that i think middle schoolers could probably read the book -- >> absolutely. >> with their parents. debbie and michael, thank you so
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statue is a way to call attention to the lack of gender diversity on corporate boards. and the pay gap facing women working in financial services. for more, let's bring in stephanie rule who is here with me. i love that. >> that's an amazing statue. just look at that. that's a little girl facing off against a bull. but even look how she's -- >> powerful little girl. >> defiant with her hands on her hips challenging status quo. when you look at that little girl, you see yourself, you see your daughter, and it's amazing. so state street is a two and a half trillion dollar asset manager.
this is about results. they have done the work. if you looked at revenue and shareholder value. having diversity and diversity of thought on your board, it's going to ensure your company results. this is beautiful in every way. >> people keep asking, is the statue going to stay up forever now, it's just a temporary thing. >> it's a temporary thing. it has gotten such an extraordinary response. i'm sure hoping it stays. it's a woman skull or it too. >> is it? >> do you know the name? i don't know the name. we'll find that out and put it on my twitter for you. whoever's interested in knowing who created that sculpture. it's fantastic. i have to ask you how the markets are doing to do before i let you go. we're two minutes from the close. >> it's interesting. basically sliding down a bit. we're basically where we were just before president trump gave that speech last week that gave the market such a boom. and it's not that there's a major sell-off in any way, but the smarkt definitely cooled down a bit. look at this, tax reform, you know that's not coming for a while. policy changes and people are still buying into that idea, but
seeing that we've already seen finally what the new health care plan will look like and and they're realizing, you know what, this might not happen tomorrow. investors are taking a breath. >> and look at the whole first half of our show. we were talking about some of the disagreement on capitol hill over this new health care plan. it's going to take longer than anybody thought. >> easier said than done. and you have so many people in the white house, you have talked so much about their smart business, they haven't governed or worked in washington. because washington is where great ideas go to tie, so the market is basically saying, let's just give this a little room. >> any women on the floor of the new york stock exchange. >> not too many. father of three young girls. and there's a cross section
there. >> quite a lot of women. i wonder if that's for tv today. and there is the bell. all right. stephanie rule, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. >> how great? don't you want to take your daughter now? >> i'm going to take her to see it. for sure. this wraps up that hour for me. i'm going to see you back here tomorrow afternoon, 3:00 eastern, noon pacific and find me on snapchat, twitter, instagram, facebook, all of that, tv kate snow. up next, my colleague steve kornacki, hey steve. >> thanks for that, good afternoon, everybody, i'm steve kornacki, we're live here in new york on day 48 of the first 100 days at the top of our agenda right now. this is it, the big test for donald trump. >> the bill is written is not going to pass the senate. and so, we need to improve it so that it actually fixes the problems, and that's what i'm working hard to do. >> the question now, does trump have the political muscle to quiet a conservative revolt and face a major health care bill through congress in the next week? also on our