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>> is that a hint from oprah winfrey? we'll have to wait until 2020 or 2019 to find out. i'll toss it over to chris jansing in d.c. >> something more for us to talk about, hallie. thank you. right now, president trump's optimistic and disciplined first address to a joint session of congress. >> i am here tonight to deliver a message of unity and strength, and it is a message deeply delivered from my heart. >> there you hear it. a sharp about-face from the carnage theme of his inaugural calling for bipartisan cooperation and condemning racism but still pushing his key policies. >> repeal and replace obamacare. it is not compassionate but reckless to allow uncontrolled entry from places where proper vetting cannot occur. >> just how did the president's
speech play with his audience? we'll have comprehensive reaction from capitol hill around the country and from overseas as well. plus, this was the moment of the night. a two-minute standing ovation for the wife of fallen navy s.e.a.l. ryan awowens. >> and ryan is looking down right now. you know that. and he's very happy because i think he just broke our record. >> good morning. i'm chris jansing in our msnbc headquarters in new york and the reaction pouring in to president trump's address. a lot of it focussing on the president's decidedly different tone last night. from "the washington post," in first joint address to congress, trump wins high marks for his steady, muscular tone. from "the new york times," a favorite target of the president, trump softens tone in outlining goals. and politico's headline, trump tries on normal. the president laying out his vision for the country while defending his administration's
controversial policies with a notably softer, optimistic tone. >> everything that is broken in our country can be fixed. every problem can be solved and every hurting family can find healing and hope. the time for small thinking is over. the time for trivial fights is behind us. from now on, america will be empowered by our aspirations, not burdened by our fears. i am asking everyone watching tonight to seize this moment, believe in yourself, believe in your future and believe once more in america. >> the big question became, could this new sound, new tone hold? well, from the president this morning, just a two-word tweet "thank you." our team of correspondents has been getting reaction to the president's address from around
the country and across the pond. let's begin with nbc's peter alexander at the white house. good morning. so the question being asked this morning among others, is this a deliberate attempt at a reset by a president who we know watches his approval ratings and there right now in the low 40s. >> the sense from here at the white house, certainly is that this was perhaps better packaging in terms of messaging and communications. but it wasn't any dramatic or any shift in terms of policy. they do recognize the criticism they've received in recent days or even some meetings as early as the past couple of days ago where vice president pence and other advisers met with the president following up on his comments calling the media the enemy of the people. a sense they've gone too far with their language. obviously, heavy criticism in the past about the dark tones. last night at the advice of vice president pence, president trump focusod the people in the room and those outside of it. not exclusively speaking past
washington he knows he needs to work with both republicans and democrats, and that's why he focusod what he described as this new chapter of american greatness. but i think the takeaway really is same president trump on policy, perhaps a different one at least in terms of the way he delivers his message. >> he didn't answer the questions on policy on immigration because there were some conflicting messages yesterday. let me just play a little more on what the president had to say last night. >> we will soon begin the construction of a great, great wall along our southern border. we are also taking strong measures to protect our nation from radical islamic terrorism. i believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible. the time has come for a new program of national rebuilding. tonight i am also calling on this congress to repeal and replace obamacare.
my job is not to represent the world. my job is to represent the united states of america. [ applause ] >> so people were waiting to see whether or not he would insert into that speech something he had told to network anchors earlier in the day. give us the background on that. >> the bottom line is he meets as is tradition for presidents on nights of the state of the union or joint addresses before congress with some national media types, including chuck todd and lester holt just yesterday. in the course of that conversation, the president effectively signaled when asked about the topic that he had sort of an openness to the idea of a path to legalization. to legal status for undocumented immigrants in this country who had not committed crimes. that would be a significant policy shift for this president compared to what he said over the course of his campaign. it's something that his
opponents, his people who supported him viewed as amnesty. that whole idea that others had been presenting. so the bottom line is that was the takeaway last night we heard only vague references to his ideas. basically suggesting the possibility it existed for immigration reform and overhaul that he said if there was a compromise from both sides. >> peter alexander at the whourks thank you so much. and this morning we're hearing from members of congress and what we hear pretty much reflects what we saw last night. lots of standing ovations by the republicans, but the democrats, largely sat out the speech. you saw the drama of the women in white, the color of sufreggets. kasie hunt joins us now. we heard those repeated called for unity, bipartisanship but what are we hearing in reaction from the other side this morning? >> well, chris, i think that the headline coming out of the speech is, yes, certainly republicans were happy to hear the shift in tone, even
democrats begrudgingly acknowledge they heard a different tone. but the reality is the republican agenda on capitol hill is running into some road blocks. these are big major pieces of legislation they're trying to accomplish and they haven't made significant progress on any of them. health care, infrastructure, tax reform, immigration even. add that to the list after the speech last night. these are all things where all of a sudden republicans are finding themselves disagreeing with each other and is putting up some potential barriers to them moving president trump's agenda. >> we've got all these things hanging out there. immigration, health care, taxes, infrastructure. is there any sense, and i was listening to nancy pelosi this morning on our air. i was listening to chuck schumer on our air. is there any willingness to sit down at the table? >> look, i think that democrats had said at the beginning of this administration. the initial tone has made it
almost impossible for them to do it with their liberal base. let me walk you through some of the areas where republicans are disagreeing with each other. let's start with health care. you heard president trump talk about tax credits in his address last night. but that's something that not all republicans are on board with. i pushed ted cruz on this issue a couple minutes ago. listen to what he had to say. >> getting rid of those mandates will have the single biggest effect driving down health insurance premiums. and then we should look to areas of consensus. what are the areas of consensus that brings republicans together? well, number one, we should allow people to purchase health insurance across state lines. president trump emphasized that last night to overwhelming support. we should expand health savings accounts, another thing president trump talked about last night with wide, deep support. we should work to make health insurance portable so if you lose your job, you don't lose
your health insurance. >> but the one thing that he wouldn't say and i pushed him repeatedly on this was that he's willing to support tax credits. it's something that conservatives in the house are already worried about. the fact that ted cruz wasn't willing to say he'd support it tells you something about the pressures going on behind the scenes on that. that's a major policy priority and it's just one that could potentially be derailed by dissent within republican ranks. >> kasie, thank you for that. throughout this hour we'll take you around the world to hear voters' thoughts on president trump's address. ron mott is live in bay city, michigan. ron, the president squeaked out a victory in what is a democratic leaning state. what are you hearing from voters there? >> the folks who did not vote for him were probably not as impressed as those folks who did vote for him. this man just worked third shift down in saginaw. he's in the united auto workers
union. been a life-long democrat. has always voted blue except this past election. you vote forward donald trump. a lot of people talking about tone this morning. how did you think the president did in delivering the message to the country last night? >> i thought he did a great job delivering the message. he really did. he spoke to all americans last night. i think his tone was excellent. sounded very presidential. the best president trump has sounded in a speech. >> was the speech last night one of those moments where you think this is the start of the unification of the country? the country still very much divided especially here in bay county. this is a blue county but the city and county went for donald trump. >> absolutely. >> first republican to win this county in three decades. >> a long time. >> what happened here? how did hillary clinton lose such a strong vote for the democrats? >> i think it was president trump's message on jobs. and fair trade, reforming trade and if you reform trade, that
will equate to jobs. and michigan is an auto state. so a lot of blue collar workers work for the auto industry and -- or spin-offs of the auto industry. if we can reform trade in the jobs and those are the issues he pressed, i think he's going to do real good. >> and, obviously, brad and many, many others in the auto industry as well, on his plan for the country. >> ron, thank you for that. also this morning, the dow jones industrial average hitting an all-time high crossing the 21,000 mark for the first time ever. msnbc's chief business correspondent and anchor ali velshi is live at the new york stock exchange. one of the most interesting things about the speech last night is criticism. they took credit for a lot of things that didn't really get done under his watch. things like adding jobs, companies expanding. but the stock market has done very well. >> yes. so it was already on an upward
roll, but the gain in the new york stock exchange, the dow, since election day is about 14% at this point. we're up more than 1% just today. just for -- we're up 1.2%. let me give you an example. over the long term, the average annual return in this place for the dow is about 6% when you add in some things you can get to 7%. to gain 1% or 1.25% in a day is huge. so, yeah, there's been a lot of increase in the stock market since donald trump's election. largely in the financials or in those kinds of companies that would benefit from deregulation. some say if he does do the things he's promised to do on those fronts you might see greater increases. it's not the whole market that's advanced but fundamentally investors are liking the idea of lower taxes which we didn't hear specifics about last night. the idea of an infrastructure spend which we didn't hear specifics about last night. and the idea of deregulation which again donald trump reiterated he wants to get r 75% of regulation and for
each n regulation, t of them have to disappear. it's still campaign-style talk but the stock market is enjoying it and right now we are enjoying a new record on the dow up almost 1.25%. >> ali velshi, thank you for that. up next, the gop reaction to the president's speech. i'll be talking with virginia congressman and former navy s.e.a.l. scott taylor. we're following a lot of political news but also monitoring severe weather around the country. overnight, a deadly outbreak of tornadoes in the midwest left three people dead. right now that severe weather is heading east with nearly 95 million people in its path. we'll have the update. ou any wo? ou any wo? no sir, no sir, some nincompoop stole all my wool sweaters, smart tv and gaming system. luckily, the geico insurance agency recently helped baa baa with renters insurance. everything stolen was replaced. and the hooligan who lives down the lane was caught selling the stolen goods online. visit geico.com and see how easy it is to switch
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this morning, republicans are looking at the broad outline from president trump to replace the affordable care act. when he didn't back down last night, they went wild. let's take a look. >> i am also calling on this congress to repeal and replace obamaca obamacare. action is not a choice. it is a necessity. so i am calling on all democrats and republicans in congress to work with us to save americans from this imploding obamacare disaster. >> i'd like to bring in someone who knows a lot about the process of reforming health care. kathleen sebelius, who was also the 44th governor of kansas. good to see you. good morning. >> thanks, chris. nice to be with you. >> so you helped create
obamacare. and it has seen its fair share of problems but maybe nothing has worked as well for republicans on the trail than cost. as fact-checked by "the new york times" this morning, premiums have gone up for a lot of people. 25% for popular plans on health care.gov. 116% in arizona. so do republicans have a point? is there a better way? >> well, i think there's no question all americans are concerned about health costs. whether you are part of that individual market that's in an obamacare plan or in an employee plan where the employers have shifted huge costs to their employees over the last number of years. so cost is a big issue. we need health costs overall to come down in america. and unfortunately, the republicans have no plan for that whatsoever. one of the things they say they want to get rid of the individual mandate. do you see this being a cost
effective plan if indeed there is no individual mandate? >> well, it's impossible, i think, to have a functioning health insurance market unless you have everybody included and say to insurance companies, you can't limit people on their pre-existing conditions. so republicans continue to say they want to make sure that everybody with a pre-existing condition can get insurance. on the other hand, they don't want everybody to be included in the pool. i don't know how that works. they talk about high-risk pools. high-risk pools are not insurance. high-risk pools are putting everyone who is sick or recovering or surviving in a separate market letting those costs skyrocket. they are miserable failures. they're way too expensive and really don't work for most people. >> joe manchin was one of the people who, frankly, he's got a seat that's really going to be
challenged next year. so he was on his feet a lot, but here was his pitch for obamacare this morning on "morning joe." >> there is so much synergies there to be had n no one is talking. why don't you take a vote on repairing and see if you get 60 votes first before you throw the baby out with the bathwater. >> you know how washington works and a lot of democrats who again, sat through a lot of the president's speech were saying. essentially what the white house is saying that new tone, but same policies. do you see a way to some sort of agreement on obamacare that improves it but doesn't get rid of it, doesn't mean that many people who now have health care and never had before lose it? >> well, there is a lot of common ground. everybody wants cost to go down. if you're in the marketplace, in medicaid, have an employer plan, if you're in medicare, people
want costs to go down. that's common ground. people want their drug cost to go way down. that would be an important step and that's something the president talked about last night. they want a choice that would be great. more competition. and i think they want to make sure that if they get sick, they really have insurance that covers their needs. and that's important also. so there is common ground. call it anything you want. trump care is fine with me. lowering costs, improving competition and choice but making sure that the 20 million people who currently have coverage, have financial security don't lose it. making sure that state budgets across this country aren't blown skyhigh if the federal government retreats on medicaid. by the way, chris, medicaid is working americans. low-income workers, parents and kids and elderly seniors in nursing homes. that's who medicaid beneficiaries are across this
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american spirit. i am asking all americans of congress to join me in dreaming big and bold and daring things for our country. >> there was president trump issuing one of his calls for bipartisan unity. joining me is republican scott taylor of virginia, also a former navy s.e.a.l. and an iraq war veteran. thank you for your service. >> my pleasure. thank you for having me here. >> let me ask you about that incredibly poignant moment. the president introduced carryn owens, widow of your fellow s.e.a.l. ryan owens. i just wonder what you were thinking as you saw her applauding and in tears and looking up to the sky. >> well, it was a very powerful moment. i had the chance to see her just before everything started. she's a very strong woman for sure and she wants to honor her husband. and what he stood for and what he believed in and that was one of the most powerful moments i've ever experienced in my
life. >> one of the things that members of the administration have said that no one disagrees with is that he's a true american hero. and always will be remembered as such. but there is controversy over the raid as you know. the president reiterated last night it was a success. he says it yielded a lot of intelligence. but that is something that nbc and others have reported that has -- their reporting shows is not true. and i wonder, do you think the public has a right to know how that raid went down and, number two, what exactly came of it? >> i think the public has a general right to know what happened. certainly nothing secret. nothing about tactics. nothing about operations. that's the nature of that business. listen, obviousli'm from that community. it's something we take to heart. something that we -- it's an honor for us to serve. we believe in what we're doing. the previous administration oftentimes just used drones or other things and didn't gather intelligence. that is a crucial element to gather intelligence for further
operations, what the networks are doing to help disrupt the networks moving forward. yemen is a tough place. i spent years in and out of that same area myself. after my service. and it's a tough place. war is going on there right now. but -- and operations are are not always successful. they are successful many times, but there's -- and i believe this operation was successful but they ran into issues and that's the nature of war. that is the nature of what happens there. some things happen. sometimes you lose the element of surprise. things go -- sometimes you're fighting battles you didn't anticipate. that's the nature of it. to politicize this is the wrong thing. >> there is also another key part of the budget, obviously, that the president is talking about. $54 billion for the military. but when you look at the overall picture, there are a number of fiscal conservatives very concerned that when you look at some of the other things he has proposed, whether it's family leave, some of the things he's
talking about in terms of even obamacare, whether or not it's not going to do anything but just run up the bills that the -- that he has said he's going to be paying, are you concerned when you look at the numbers of this budget in its sort of broad outline that you've seen? >> as you said, it's a broad outline. that's very important to see some of the details to comment responsibly on. i like some of the things the president said. i have concerns on how things are paid for in defense specifically. these budget caps. sequestration has hurt our mate nance, readiness and deployment schedules. i know first hand that it has impacted us. so we've got to get that under control. at the same time, i think it's reasonable and responsible for fiscal conservatives and anyone for that matter to look at things, programs in the milary that may be outdated, may not address the threats of today and tomorrow, excess infrastructure. so we should do the best with
the tax dollars that we -- taxpayer money that we can. that being said he talked about infrastructure. i'd like to see how it's paid for. i believe in america and i want to invest in america. >> congressman scott taylor of virginia, good to see you. thanks for coming on. more reaction from nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss and david lidd, now read writer at funny or die d.c. good to see you both. michael, it is interesting. not just what you watched last night where you saw the republicans on their feet and the democrats sitting but the reaction today, which was kind of, according to peter alexander, affirmed by the white house which said these are not policy changes he was talking about last night. it's a change in tone. if that is all it is, is a change in tone, he's not, for example, going to back off on getting rid of 11 million immigrants here, something that he sort of floated as a trial balloon yesterday, can tone, can
demeanor change the way a presidency goes forward? >> it can but you're right. there was a lot of talk before the speech last night that there might be some new program announced like some kind of perhaps program of two astronauts going to the moon or something like that. i went all through the speech and was looking hard for something that was a surprise. and substantively, there was not too much there. but the tone was different. it was different from that very dark inaugural and that press conference that was pretty unsteady. so, yes, it can change things. people saw donald trump last night. he looked a little bit more like the way that oer psidents have talked to congress in the past. but the real test of this is going to be whether this lasts until tomorrow or the next day. are the tweets going to be changed? will his next rally? will he be speaking more in this tone or will we be back to the
rhetoric he's been using for most of the last 40 days? >> there was some disconnect between some of the tone and some of the things we saw. many people pointing to the folks in the audience who tragically had family members who were killed by illegal immigrants. david, you tweeted about that. and you wrote, this is terrifying. imagine packing a gallery with families of people killed by jews or muslims or african-americans. i take it you were not won over by the president's new tone? >> no, i mean, that particular element of the speech inviting people to the gallery and, obviously, these people have been through tragic circumstances. but that's an attempt to smear immigrants as murderers. it's a direct extension of what the president said when he announced his campaign when he called mexicans murderers and rapists and that's really terrifying because president trump seems like the kind of guy who is always going to be looking for a scapegoat. right now it's immigrants. when some of these big promises he made last night don't pan
out, he'll go looking for a new scapegoat. i pointed out, obviously, i'm jewish, so i was thinking about what would it be like if this was family members of people killed by jews rather than by immigrants. but i think almost any minority group can put themselves in that kind of situation. and this is really scary. so, yes, some of the rhetoric was a little softer, but there were moments of that speech that were just as dark as the inauguration, too. >> so michael, clearly didn't win over david. didn't win over listening this morning to people like chuck schumer, nancy pelosi very skeptical of this new tone you mentioned tone issue presentation, demeanor can make a difference. what do we know? what does history tell us? how does a president take a moment like this that's been judged generally to be positive? the reviews have been very positive, and turn it into something that becomes effective and helps him to translate into policy? >> well, i think what donald
trump probably is seeing this morning that getting very good reviews and this is someone who traditionally has liked good reviews. so from everything i know about a lot of the people who work for him, they are saying, maybe this will encourage the boss to speak a little bit more moderately. and we saw a -- something that gave us an idea that this was going to happen. the interview that was not given on fox news by the president where he said he gave himself an "a" for achievement and about a "c" for messaging. that suggests in his polling numbers he's being told that one of the things that's holding his numbers down is the fact that people don't like the tone. they don't like the tweet so maybe if he exerts enormous self-discipline we'll see a change. every time that happens certainly during the campaign when there was a speech as measured as this, usually within 48 hours, things changed and it was back to the old trump. snen polled speechwriters. 57% said they felt positive
about the speech last night. 69% said it made them more optimistic about the country's direction. i wonder, and, you know, some people have talked about this, does it make people feel feel a little bit empowered? do, then, people feel if we have a president, as michael suggested, who likes good reviews, who wants to see his poll numbers go up, as clearly bristled at the idea that he's in the low 40s, people feel very strongly about issues like immigration can influence policy? >> well, i think americans might feel somewhat empowered but i think it's notable that both presidents obama and george w. bush scored better on that kind of poll on their first address to congress and i think it's a sign that americans are not for getting the fact that the first 30 days of this presidency, they weren't just american carnage in tone but in substance. and so i think most americans
appreciated that the president wasn't quite so dark in his speech last night. at the same time, if i was counting on obamacare for my insurance or i had a family member, an undocumented immigrant, the president's tone would not be my chief concern. i would be wondering is he going to make good on some of the promises he made last night that would really hurt my family. >> so michael, when you look at this speech in terms of his presidency, how important was it? >> it's important in the terms that this is the first time that they saw donald trump before congress. this was the first glimpse that they saw him in the frame of the president of the united states and helped himself by giving a speech very different from that very dark inaugural. that was wise. >> michael beschloss, thanks so much. >> pleasure. nice to see you. oprah in 2020? we'll tell you what the media icon said this morning when she was asked about running for president.
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immigrants as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, something he floated to reporters just hours before his speech. he did, though, talk about what he thinks needs to be in an immigration reform deal. so did marco rubio this morning. >> it's a basic principle that those seeking to enter a country ought to be able to support themselves financially. yet, in america, we do not enforce this rule. >> let's turn to comprehensive. i don't think that's the right approach, that we do it all at once. the right approach is you have to enforce your laws and modernize the immigration system. we can get something done if democrats are willing to accept that. >> i know that you spoke to voters there. i wonder what their reaction was to what the president had to say
about immigration. >> reporter: welcome to beautiful downtown dallas. we talked to 75 people in the last couple of hours and, believe it or not, all but five of them didn't watch the speech. and some of them said they didn't know the speech was on, others said they did know but they didn't want to watch because they are not a fan of president trump. but those who watched said that they liked the speech. three of them already liked president trump and they were expecting only good things but they were impressed anyway by what he didn't say. those who watched and weren't sure what to expect and maybe weren't big fans of president trump still were very impressed. they said not even necessarily by what he said but by what he didn't say. they were very impressed that it was a more presidential speech than they thought they might get. we asked about immigration again as well. again, 90% of the people didn't watch the speech that we talked to. those who did noticed that he talked about something called
v.o.i.c.e., a program that will be put together to keep track of those who have been affected by illegal immigrants committing crimes. most of them admitted that they didn't really understand what it was that v.o.i.c.e. meant. initially one of them had a negative reaction. and then he said, what really is a v.o.i.c.e.? here's an example of somebody who was impressed by what he had to say last ght. >> i've never really been a trump supporter. i'm a supporter of the policies he's putting in place but not so much the man. last night i saw a glimpse of something that i've been waiting to see and i'm hoping the part i don't particularly care for kind of fades off in the background and he can get down to being a little bit more on the job, i guess. >> reporter: so that was randy
parker. that sums up what the other who is saw the speech thought, that they were impressed by what they saw. the headline to us was that 90% of the people we talked to didn't see the speech. >> it will be interesting to see the ratings. thank you so much, jacob rascon. not a lot of folks in dallas apparently watching. the big question, then, for the democrat who is will run against donald trump in 2020, this morning, surprising answer from oprah winfrey when asked what she now thinks about running for president. here is her interview on bloomberg tv. take a listen. >> i never considered the question even a possibility. i just thought, oh. oh. >> it's clear you don't need government experience to run for president of the united states. >> that's what i thought. i thought, oh, gee, i don't have enough experience. i don't know enough. now i'm thinking, oh. >> wouldn't that be interesting? president trump never mentioned russia last night but he did talk a lot about national
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♪ don't just eat. ♪ mangia! bertolli. republicans praising president trump's hard line on defense during his address. he spoke directly to his base when he used the words radical islamic terrorism despite these new national security adviser reportedly asking him not to. >> our obligation is to serve,
protect and defend the citizens of the united states. we are also taking strong measures to protect their nation from radical islamic terrorism. we cannot allow a terrorism t rm inside america, we cannot allow america toecome a sanctuary for extremists. >> i'd like to bring in retired colonel dakota wood, part of the trump transition team and now is a senior research fellow for defense programs at the conservative think tank, the heritage foundation. good to see you, colonel. i'm trying to get a sort of a lay of the land, where the conservative thinking is. he hasn't really laid out a plan to really pay for the border wall. >> it's a skinny budget. these are just the top-line
numbers and a more detailed budget will come in about 30 days or so but we've been tracking the deteriorating military. this 54 billion is really al an appreciated first step to rebuilding the military and dealing with the short-term readiness problem of the military and then working to re-expand it. >> but you understand how budgets work. do you see a way for $54 billion to go towards military without eliminating entire departments of the federal government? >> i think 54 billion was the best that the trump administration could do at the moment given all of the repeating requirements that you allude to. health care replacement, tax reform. all those things compete and the same kind of debate will go on in congress as well. so the specifics of where they take cuts and how they decide to change, how the federal government gets into the lives
of individuals and businesses, they'll deal with those details. from a defense standpoint, we certainly need increased spending and both atd the senate and the house with senator mccain and chairman thornberry, they are proposing a 640 billion baseline, 50 more billion than what the president is recommending. >> you took part in the planning and execution of operations around the world, including iraq. you recently authored the review for the heritage foundation that recommended the increase in the size of the military. president trump has endorsed one of the suggestions to add more active duty army and marine corps. do you anticipate the need for boots on the ground in the fight against isis? >> well, those are dramatically different situations or issues. you know, the president had requested from the secretary of defense recommendations for various options to handle the terrorism threat, primarily in
isis, syria, they have been given, classified and not privy to what those might be. in terms of a historical perspective, our military is at historic lows. the army had 45 brigades a couple years ago and now they are down to 32. we now have 273 ships in the shave vee. overall, the military has shrunk in size and overall the threats have increased from a single opponent in the soviet union to now russia, china, north korea and iran and north africa and the middle east. >> dakota wood, thank you so much for coming on the pra. >> appreciate it. stay right here. next hour, my colleague, andrea mitchell, will speak with former cia director leon panetta. but next, reaction to president trump's speech overseas. is the money really pouring into nato like he claims? we'll be live in london.
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the president's first address to congress drawing mixed reaction around the world. nbc's matt bradley is live in london for us. what are the headlines there, matt? >> reporter: chris, we have some headlines. the speech was focused mostly on domestic issues so international reaction has been somewhat muted. here in britain, we've heard from the two main sources of news here, the guardian leading with trump's congress speech was a heroic effort and
contradiction and cliche. of course, that's from the left-leaning "guardian" and the bbc says, "trump's speech was remarkably unremarkable." thatind of mrors lot of criticism that we heardn the united states, people being sort of surprised that trump didn't lean back on his shooting from the hip attacks on immigrants and other countries, the media. it was a more conventional speech. and we've also heard from russia. russia said that they were not so -- they did not feel left out. they were not actually mentioned in the speech, despite so much press and attention from intelligence agencies and the media about the trump administration's ties to russia. >> so one of the key questions that people had, matt, was about nato. we know that the president had said a few months ago that it was obsolete, a very different tone today. also, some questionable
statements about the money pouring in from nato because he had been critical, one of his concerns about nato was that states weren't paying their fair share. what are you hearing over there about it? >> reporter: that's right, chris. of course, donald trump has attacked nato repeatedly saying that member states of nato haven't been paying their fair share into their own militaries and holding up their end of this cross-atlantic alliance, this military alliance that donald trump says the united states is shouldering most of the burden for that. take a listen to what he said last night. >> we strongly support nato through two world wars. but our partners must meet their financial obligations and now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that. in fact, i can tell you, the money is pouring in. >> well, the money isn't really pouring in. nbc news reached out to nato and
nato officials explained that actually some of the member states have been increasing their budgets for their militaries but they started doing that back in 2014. there's really no evidence that the money has been pouring in in the 40 days that donald trump has become president. chris? >> there are these reports that the president might be delaying a trip that we've been hearing about to the uk. what do you know? >> well, "the sun" newspaper here in britain said that might be delayed until later this fall. they would be timing it so the parliament wouldn't be in a session. of course, this is to try to diminish protests or the possibility that donald trump might have to address a joint member of soint session of parliament. now, this has been quashed by 10 downing street, the residents of theresa may, the british prime minister. "the sun" headline is still just a rumor. chris. >> right now on msnbc, andrea
mitchell reports. >>. two speeches for the price of one. president trump calls for unity. >> the time for small thinking is over. the time for trivial fights is behind us. we just need the courage to share the dreams that fill our hearts. everything that is broken in our country can be figures fixed. every hurting family can find healing and hope. >> the people turned out by the millions and were united by one crucial demand, that america must put its own citizens first. we want all americans