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>>uff: the drive to remove president trump from office is formally under way tonight. at the same time, the newshour confirmed that a third cabinet member has resigned, chad wolf, the acting secretary of homeland security. he had criticized thpresident after a pro-trump mob stormed the u.s. capitol last wednesday. >> desjardins: just feet from windows broken by last week's mob, today, a first stard removing the president. house democrats attempted to fast-track a resolution caing for vice president pence to activate the 25tamendment to the constitution. that amendment removes the president from offic receiving "written declaration that (he) is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" from the vice president and majority of cabinet officers.
>> i object. >> desjardins: house rorublicans tempily blocked it, delaying it a day. this as more and more video appears showing just how violent the mob became. these pictures show the crowd which marched after hearing president trump speak and overwhelmed police. in a letter, house speaker nancy pelosi gave the vice president an ultimatum: act within 24us hour or the will move forward with impeachment: charging incitement of insurrection. that debate is planned for wednesday morning. but, in an interview that airedt sunday, peold cbs' "60 onnutes" the 25th amendment was the preferred op because it gets rid of he's out of office. but there is strong support in the cong president a second time. this president is guilty of inciting insurrection. he has to pay a price for that. desjardins: pennsylvani republican senator pat toomey supports impeachment generally,o
but agrer the weekend that he prefers another way. >> well i think the best way for our country, chuck, is for the presidt to resign, and go away as fast as soon as possible. does not look at though there is the will or the consensus to exercise the 25th amendment option and i don't think there's time to do an impeachment. >> desjardins: house majority whip james clyburn of south carolina said sunday the house could wait until well after the inauguration to send impeachment articles to the senate, a point when democrats would run the chamber. >> let's give president-elect biden the 100 days he needs to get his agenda off and running, and maybe we'll send the articles some time after that. >> desjardins: president-elect biden weighed in today, while getting his second of two vaccination shots in daware. i thinkt's critically important that there be a realou sefocus on holding thoseen folks whged in seditioneo
and threatenede's lives, defaced public propeaused great damage, that they be held accountable. er desjardins: meanwhile, is a growing business backlash-- marriott, dow, and the bluebl cros shield association, among others, announced they lawmakers who voted against certifying the electoral college results. ford and microsoft will suspend all political donations til they review the events of last week. and the payment company stripe i sawill no longer process payments for the president's campaign website. the social media appr, which has suppted far-right speech, was pulled from google, apple and amazon.he meanwhile, was more on the security failures that led to the capitol's breach. following his signation, capitol police chief steven sund told the "washington post" h did ask house and senate security officials to put the d.c. national guard on standby ahead of the protests.
but he said the request was declined because of "optics." the top security officials, thee eants at arms of both chambers, have also resigned. police have made at least 90 arrests since last wednesday as investigators comb through thousands of imageand video.lo investigators oking at the s organization of the attaand the sinister motivation over the weekend, videos emerged rioters searching for pelosi, and chanting "hang mike pence."e >> hang mike p >> desjardins: today the national guard announced it is deploying at least 10,000 troops to washington, d.c. ahead of thu ration, and 5,000 more could be requested. thhecity's mayor also said s requested a pre-emergency declaration from president trump. >> this is necessary because the inauguration poses several unprted challenges that exceed the scope of our traditional planning procees: the covid-19 pandemic, and of attack on the united states
capitol.d they announ will begin enhanced security this week rather than next. and the national park serce closed the washington monument for nearly two weeks to visitors critting credible threats. this as the fbi warns today armed protests are being planned in all 50 state capitols beginning this wendend goi through inauguration. now banned banned from twitter, presidentrump had no public events or statements today at the white house. >> woodruff: and lisa joins me now along with our white house correspondent yamiche al>>indor. ello to both of you. >> lisa can you please give us a sense of where things stand in d e congress. you have a clear sense of actly how all ts would unfold at the capitol? >> i do. i will give you what we think is the most likely plafor timing. however it is fluid. there are still many details to be worked out.
let's look at a graphic here and the first thing that we reported, house democrats announced today that they plan the floor of the house wednesday morning 9 a.m., estern time. they do plan to hold the impeachment vote wedne tay. after th articles could be transmitted to the senate. it seems like now a liky path for that is that it would happen after inauguraon e whip clyburn suggested today. then if that did happen, we would see probably a senate trial in late january, early february. i will say there is also another option. senate democratic leader chuck schumer today said that ld wou like to trigger an emergency can do, but only if senateh he republican leader mitch mcconnell agrees. together those two men could call a senate trial as sooas the impeachment article is passed. that could be as son as lat this week. we don't have any reason to
sbelieve mcconnell wougn on on that but we have not heard om him. other thing ish te president is not the on one they are calling for retributios against. senator josh hawley and ted cruz who objectedo the electoral count, there are some calling for them to be censored or hav other infractions taken against them. some democrats in the house are saying that they should resign for inciting a riot. and then also number of hose republicans are facing those same calls. i want to raise one tweet getting a lot of atttion. this one by representative loren boberg. she sent this out as the protester, the riotersere ashing too the house floor saying the speaker has been removed from the chambers.ma democrats i spoke to are the most angry about that tweet which they believe added to the sthreat topeaker pelosi. in their view, that was pointing out to thm where to find specter pelosi, don't come to the chamber.
boberg said no, sh all along has been questioning the election but that's it. >> woodruff: so many stransd ofhis story to follow, lisa. yamiche, let me turn to you now. for all the talk about removing the president or holding him accountable, we haven't heard or seen the prensidentthe last few days. his social media accounthave been taken away. what do we know about what he iw doint he is saying and what the vice president, mike sense is up to? the last we heard the two of them were are angry at one another that's right in the aftermath of the seige o capitol hill president trump spent all day today fur yuses, lashing out and watching his personal, political and businesp rtunities evaporate. my understanding is that the president of the united states is not speaking to the vice prteident of the united st it is a pretty incredible statement to say. the president is also not speaking te house mine ort leader, kevin mccarthy or
senate majority leader, outgoina majority leader mitch mcconnell. i was speaking to source today and sa isn't the furchtioning of government important. do these people need to speak to eaher. that person said why would they need to speak. everyone just wants to see president trump gone.so that is, that is the state of play wen comes to the government. the other thing is the president, as you know, is kicked off twitter, kicked offfa book. he also is starting to lose business. the pga national tour says they are not going to have their big golf tournament at any more at the trump new jersey hotel. r asult, the president has apparently been fuming particularly about that. ther thing to note is that there are real questions about when the president is going to speak to the american people. ere was some talk today that the president might come out to the briefing room.d that t happen. he will be going to texas tomorrow. the white house said it is really a victory lap so he can talk about the 400 miles of border wall that were constructed,hich they say say promise kep his behalf. as opposed to the vice president, the vice president i'm told is trying do work
and trying to stay as busy possible. he held a meeting with governor and other things that are19. really, still pressing issues it the states. >> woodruff: and lisa, back to you, i understand you are learning more details about what exactly happened last wednesday to members of congress, to journalists, to police. >> i spoke to many mebers today on capitol hill, it was a difficult day and a lock weekend. focusing on police, we learned a second capitol police officer who was there in the riots died, thgh died by suicide he is someone i knew, other reporters knew, very good giet t isa real loss. i think that that is kind of capitol police officers.enge fo i also want to say that i know these officers have been working 16our shifts. none of them have gotten time
off since the riot, some of them 12 hour shifts now just started today. i spoke to one officer, both of y e spouses in that family are officers and thve had to ask their neighbors to help bring dinner to their childrenca e they have been working such long hours. also getting details about the riots. we should be learning more over the next few days about what happened, exactly. >> woodruff: and finally quickly back tonyou, yamiche reporting you've doe about how president-elect biden.ng >> president biden wants to see president trump ld accountable but doesn't want to see his legislative agenda de railed. there are talks that he is talking to members that try to bifurcate-- so half a day would be spent on impeachment. spent ononfirming thbinet and time spent on trying to pass that covid relief bill thajoe biden wants to pass as soon as he gets into office. >> all right, yamic, alcindor, lisa desjardins, following i
all, thank you both. is one of president-electware biden's closest allies on the hill, thank you souch for being with us again. the chances are that presidentnk trump could be removed from office before january 20th? well, judy, there has to be accountability for this unprecedented act by a sitting u.s. president, spin ou a crowd, to incite them to riot and then send them off to e capitol where they storm the capitol, where they were chanting things like "hang mike pence" in the hallways, where they did a lot of physical damage. rd globally onthe wold stage, enormous amount of damage our
obviously as you were just saying in the last segment,e ths been a tragic loss of life, two capitol police officers have sufereline of duty deaths. and i think all of it as ati -- all of us as a nation need to stop and reflect on this. i think what president trump should do is resign. that will remove him as quickly as is possible. failing that, vice president p mice and the majority of the cabinet should do what only they can do which is to eercise the 25th amendment to remove obscenity that, if they won't take responsibility in those ways, then congress has to do what it can. and as you mentioned earlier, in rstand minority leader schumer is exploring whether there is a pathway for us to reconvene promptly after the house passes an article ofhm impet. >> woodruff: but you are very familiar with your republican colleagues. do you think there is any chance that majority leader mitch mcconnell would agree to that sort of special circumstanceses to speed up a trial in the
senate in just the next few days? >> you know judy, it seems but one of the things that was most striking to me wednesday night was after law enforcement regained control of the capitol for the men and wen of laweful enforcement, the agents who regained control of the capitol under very tough cirtacues. when we went back into the chamber some of the strongest a languaut the importance of certifying this election came from vice president pnce, majority leader mcconnell. other senators i rarely agree with. folks like senators cotnond lee, toomey and others spoke ry forcefully. they recognize how important it is for there to be truthelling by the american people. how important it is for president trump's mislead and mmisguided base to hear f republican leaders that joe biden is the duly elect next
president of the united states. >> but at this point it appears it's more likely once the house impeaches, which it appears it will do. a trial would take place in thee te ater president trump leaves office. it would be when joe biden would then be the president. how do you see that complicating then president biden's agenda.a we just herd the reporting from yamiche on splitting the time every day. but is that the way joe biden administration?his >> well, you know, president-elect biden was in no small part eleedecause he ran on bringing our country together, on moving us forward,t he divisive presidency of donald trump. and in this moment when the pandemic is raging out of leadership that joe biden can provide to our country. we have two pandemics. one that is cvid-19 public health crisis but also a pandemic of division and distrust. so the senate gets to set the
rules that it will follow for impeachment, the constitution doesn't provide exactly how we will carry out a trial. we could separate our days andin begihe morning doing the work of confirming some of the very capable and seasoned leaders that joe biden has nominated to form his cabinet. and the afternoon conducting an impeachment trial. a number of my republican colleagues have reached out to me sayg that peachment is the wrong path. that it won't bring reconciliation. repentance is required before reconciliation. we need to hear and see some actions by president trump orthos folks in the other party who have long end couraged and supported him despite his unconventional and destructive behavior, we need to see them do an about face and recognize the harm that was done on wednesday and the actiat need to be taken to bring our country back together. >> woodruff: well, do you see any indication that is going to
d happen? you ght members of the senate who voted, who october ject objected to joe biden's electoral vote win. 138 members, republicans in the house. a r i believe that's correct. do you expect any of them to express regret to apologize, to try to change diection on where they stand right now? > judy, there were 13 senators originally prepad to challenge th certification. roughly half of them changed their mind and changed their vote after they saw the tagedy of the storping of the capitol. what i struggle with most is folks like leaders in the usert mc, and scalise, folks in the senate, senator hawley and cruz who are seasoned lawyers, who both clerked forco the supremrt. folks who i believe know better than to do this kind of thing. and i think all of them should be publicly speaking about how
action and they reret and want to move past the violence and divisiveness that resulted. at the end of the day, most impoantly, president trump responsible for this incident. he's the one more than anyone else who inspired this mob to come to the capitol, who urged them t go toe capitol and to be rough, to be forceful, to be wild. and it has not calmedown. there are folks all over social media who are right now planning for future violent events. that is why preside trump was o kickf of twitter and facebook. want to ask you about right now. the way things stand right now, do you believeat it's assured that the situation, circumstances will be n the day your friend joe biden ir inauguratesident? >> judy, i hope and pray that it will be. i hadeve cone that with a unified command with the
national guard deloyed in significant numbers, with a perimeter pushed out further than it was last wenesday, that it is possible we will have a safe and secure inauguration am but i think there is important tamping down some of this division. tamping down some of the fires that have been lit by president trump, and it's important that republicans who have long supported him take action this t weensure that the american people recognize the legitimacy of swroa biden's election as the next president of the united states. >> woodruff: i hear you're calling on them to do that. les see what happens. senator chris coons of delaware, thank you very much. >> thank you, juy. >> woodruff: last week's insurrection at the capitol is raising new security concerns in washington ahead of president-
elect joe biden's inauguration, amna nawaz picks up our story from here. y amna nwaz picks up the stom here. >> judy, d.c. is on high alert. additional members of theier, national guard are being brought into the nation's capitol to helpith security. muriel bowser is the mayor of d.c. and she joins us now. madame mayor welcome back to the newshour and thank you for taking t tim can you share with us, as of today, what specific threats do you know of targeting d.c. in and around the inauguration? >> well, we know and the fbi has released a briefing ann ancing whe the known threats not only in bushington d.ct in states around our country. we also know that several requests that i have made to the fedel government have been granted. i sent a letter over the weekend to homeland-- to the department of homeland security requestingh
thaty extend the time period for the national special security event that suports the inauguration which they have done. that time frame has moved fromh the 19of january to the 13th of january. and i just learned that our request for a preerdisa declaration which allows fema and other federal ancies to wo seamlessly with us hastes will been aproved. >> but with the threats around inauguration, have you been told those are specific, the same kind of actors and groups as on the capitol attack or newnd different threats. >> well, our teesm has just been briefed today by the. fbi and we will get daily briefings from them that talk about t nature and the specificity of the threat. >> can i ask you this designation you just mentioned by the now outgoing acting secrety of homeland security chad wolf who just announced he
is resigning as onof his final acts. does that go far enough to secure the district of columbia? what oter specific steps do you want to see done?ur >> well,olice department is working hand-in-hand with the secret service. and that designation, mind you, puts all federal assets uner the command and the control of the united states secret service. including e capitol grounds and other specific federal assets whi is very imptant. because it will allow for the seemless-- seamless deployment of necessary forces. we know that the nationaguard, for example, has committed to have 15,000 national guardsmen and women deployed in the district olumbia, including around the capitol grounds and otr federal assets. d we, they e responding to very specific requests tht we have to secure th perimeter. >> madame mayor, there is a lot of questis about accountability following the
attack last week on the capitol. and just tonht.c.'s attorney general said in an interview potentially charging presidento trump for inciting violence. and he was speaking to the crowd that he thesn intructed to march over to the capitol. with those kinds of charges?ward >> i support full accountabilitl foof those responsible for inciting violence. and i think it's vey clear that the president of the united states is one of thed main an most important actors in inciting vionce. so whether it be criminal accountability or accountability that is driven by the congress of thea united tes, he must be held accountable for all he has done. but we also know that the peopl who lay seigee capitol, bear a loof the sponsibility. i understand that the fbi has received over 50,000 tips related to naming those people, finding them, aresting them,
and bringing them to justice. >> we're still understanding the time line of that day. there has been a lot of reporting around exactly what we know on the attack day the mob breached the capitol just before 2:00. we also know that the first national guard troops didn't arrive on the scene until after 5:40 p.m now you don't controthose troops? they are under the secretary of the army's control. but what is your understanding of what took so long that day? >> well, i think that there will be a lot of questions tat are investigated. and they deserve anst ination. so something like this never happens ain to one of our especially when ths a. joint session of congress in place. especially when a very critical part of certifyinour elections was happening. so we lo forward to those discussions to make surte tha all law enforcement have the
resources they need for critical events. >> madame mayor, before january 6th had you received any specific intelligence briefs from the fbi orahs t indicated we would see the kind of violence we did that day? >> i didn't. and i think it has been much discussed that the real threat that people would actually be violent and seige the capitol was underappreciate all of our inelligence organizes. >> i guess the question is if that intelligence didn't make it you back tn, are you confidence that the intelligence you are getting before the inauguration will keep the city secure? >>. >> well, i think that-- yes, i am more confident withe evry hour that the system, kind ofr the ucture of how this event
is reported, isro. it has been in place for every inauguration and i have asked all ofur fedal partners to step it up in light of the january h attacks on the capitol. but also in light of the spread of the threat across theco try. is requiring a national approach to supporting tha inuguration of joe biden and kamala harris. >> can i ask you briefly before you go, there has been some reporting about capitol police, not d.c. police, capitol plic being suspended or arrested because they were taking self yeas with throe testors. or putting on a maa hat. do you hve any similar concerns out d.c. police being sim pathetic to the attackers. >> i do not. our police were called to back up the united states capitol police. and that is the position that we dake with all of our cre federal partners on their their facility. know that my officers acted
valiantly. they were able tohelp get controof that building and t exithose rioters out of the building and make sure lawmakers could go bak and do their job. >> dc mayor muriel bowser joining us tonightk you very much for your time and good luck in the the days ahead. >> thank you. >> woodruff: in the day's other carrying of guns in the staten capitol. last april, protesters with rifles and other weapons, swarmed the statehouse to oppose covid-19 restrictions.d and, they tr enter a legislative session. some of the same extremis allegedly plotted to kidnap governor gretchen whitmer, and now face criminal charges. president-elect biden picked long-time diplomat william burns today, for c.i.a. director.
burns worked at the state department for 33 years, and served as ambassador to russia and jordan. today, he promised not to let partisanship color intelligence. a number of states began expanding covi19 vaccinations today, as deaths nationwide from detroit to dallas to san diego, sports stadiums,co ention halls and other sites became inoculation centers. but in arlington, texas, governor greg abbot said theob biggest prm is that they need more doses to do the job. vaccinate texans viftly. to this structure that we now have created can be expanded and will os expanded very swiftly a the state. the on limitation that we now face is the limitation of supply.
>> woodruff: meanwhile in chicago, 6,000 students resumed in-person learning in public schools. the teachers union o the move, citing safety concerns. israel announced todt it's moving forward with plans forle 800 new sehomes in the occupied west bank. the news from primminist benjamin netanyahu's office could create tensions with the u.s. president-elect biden has opposed settlement expansion. cuba is back on the u.s. list of state sponsors of rrorism. secretary of state mike pompeo charged today that cuba is still harboring u.s. fugitives and supporting venezuela's leader nicolas maduro. president obama took cuba off the terror list in his moves to normalize relations. president trump has awarded the medal of freedom to another staunch supporter, congressman jim jordan. r the ohublican was on mr.
trump's defense team at his senate impeachmear trial last the medal of ftiedom is the 's highest civilian honor. and, on wall street, stocks ticooled off a bit after s records last week. the w jones industrial avera lost 89 points to close at 31,008. the nasdaq fell 165 points, and, the s&p 500 slipped 25.l stil come on the newshour: e attack on the capitol forces a reckoning with radicalitight- wing pal factions. plus, tamara keith and amy eklter break down a tense in washington.
have forgotten over or overlooked but last year the u. department of homeland security classified white supremacy as the greatest domestic terror threat of the united states. thof week's stormin the capitol by protrump groups brought that concern to light in the most urgent way possibl >> as more video emerges theco clearer it bemes just howt violenst wek's mob was at the u.s. in a crowd carrying flags that declared support for police, many at the capitol last wednesday went at the police with dangerous, deadly intent. amongst the crowd were also many wearing or of a litany of the extremist, neo-nazi and conspiracy-mindedou in america: there were multiple images about q-anon, the conspiracy theor that believes a cabal of democrats and wealthy elites are running a child sex trafficking ring, one that president trump
has been secretly working to destroy. there were members of the iii percenters and the oath-keepers, both ang the many armed, militant anti-government, militant anti-government, groupu in the cry. there were various neo-nazi and these are members of the violent hate group the proud boys, flashing their white supremaci"" ok" hand signal. in the aftermath of this attack, many of the largest social media clamp down on thosnies sought to companies say are encouraging violence online. youtube began removing live streamed videos of the violence on capitol hill. facebook said it took offline several forums, including onewi thousands of members who, in advance of wednesday's riot,t post home addresses of often accompanied mages ofians, guns and weanry. from posting to his page. c.e.o. mark zuckerberg justified the ban saying, "we believe the
risks of allowing the president to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great." after some back and forth, twitter permanently took the president's account offline and removed all his prior messages. in a statement the company sai"" after close review of recent tweets from the @realdonaldtrump account and the context around them we ve permanently suspended the account due to the risk of further incitement of violence." these moves by the social media giants were applauded by se, though many said it was far too late in coming. many conservatives, meanwhile, cried foul, alleging censorship against their political views. the social media app known as parler, which was created to bee a conservalternative to twitter, had been surging inre popularity int weeks. it became not just an organizing plolform for last week's cap protest, but full of numerous calls for vience and mayhem. apple and google both removed
parler from their app stores. and then yesterday, am which hosted parler on its cloud web servers, booted the app offline, citing its inability to curtail violent language and imagery. as of late last night, parler's website and app was not functioning. and today, parler announced at lawsuit agaiazon, accusing stifle competitiontrying to whether these movehe tech and companies will help, i'm joined by cthia miller-idriss. she's a professor at american universi and runs the school's polarization and extremism research and innovation lab. and j.m. berger, the author of several books, including "extremism." he has conducted research and traing on issues related to homegrown terrorism, online extremism and how to counter it. thank you both very much for being here. jm berger, to you first.
you were-- help us understand how large a presence we know that these extremist groups were at the rally on wednesday. meaning if you could show hav taken them off the chess board, i don't mean arrest them, but i mean magically remove them from the circumstances, would wednesday ve been a different day? >> i think that if you removed the extremist groups from the circumstan, what you would have seen is what direct threats to the member of congresses who were present there, and to vse president pence, there may still have been the rush on thel. capi there may still have been a riot. but what we saw was people in come bat gear carrying zip ties who clearly had the intent to do something more than just riot. so that was really a close call and close call we could have avoided if the extremists hadn't been there. >> brangham: cynthia miller-idriss same question to
you, do you feel wednesday could have been drirch, did those groups really contribute tonghe worst thunthat we saw? >> the groups are really important. c and i think rse it would have been-- i like the idea of a magical "eraser," it would havee been really o not have those groups be present and i think that we agree that much of the high-risk of violence would be reduced. but i think one of the things at is important t remember is that much of the way radicalization happens today is not actually through groups but thugh kind of self-radicalizing networks online. and most of the rece terrorist violence we see comes from that nd of perspective, of an individual encountering ideologa onli then radicalizing. so i think we have had a lot of focus on groups, and that is but we are not going to he raise this problem just by getting rid of the groups. >> jm berger, can you pick up on that, the point cynthia is making here. help u understand how social medin how thoseternet communities help raicalize and
drew new adhereance to these movments. l, we see on these networks is very diverse. so there are different dynamics. one group that was very well represented at the riots, the attack on the caaitols q-anon, and that has a graph v thailt iry heavily online. so that is a very large movement thatas really prolive rated in so we caput a lot of blame for them and their presence there on social media. other groups existed in previous foru. >> generally we have ha neo-nazis, confederates, militia movements existed before social media was there but no they are using social media to organize, to recruit to some extt. and to get each other pumped up for an activity like this.e to increase t sense of urgency and crisis that these people take extreme action. s >> branghao cynthia
miller-idriss, help us, understa have seen some of the social media platforms have been trying to crack dn after wednesday's event. and we know this is a continuation of wt a lot of these platforms have been trying. how successful will that be,t that movemeno try to take that these platforms away from these groups? >> well, deplatforming is an important strategy.ou and i think know, we do have to stem the circulation of thema ds infon which is a lot of what we saw here, is large numberof peple, radicalizing into an alternativeniverse of belief about the election being invalid and feeling coelled to act to face democracy, they feel like they are the ones being heroic and saving the nation. but i think it is important, sort of lie aack a mole, there will always be anotherpr iferation, a new creation of other platforms. and it is not just through the organized platforms themselves
but through channels like youtube, through online gamin platforms. there is just an ever expanding ecosystems of places and spaces online where extremists can recruit, can share propaganda and can radicalize individuals. >> jm berg, is tht your sense as well, that there really isn't a good way of taking these platforms away from them. because they will always find somewhere ele to go. >> i think that a lot of our conversations about deplatforming are pred kateed on sort of an al or nothing proposition. that these people are on the internet and we faiwhd. we saw with isis, certainly, is you can take away the big patforms where they cn reach large audiences and do a lot of recruiting and shaping of opinions. and that re halrts. now the problem is here is that the right wing movement in this country currently is much larger than isis. the barn door after the horse is
gone. you can't put this back in the bottle. that said, d eplatforming ist a total solution pi any stretch of the imagination but it isi better than dng nothing. >> cynthia miller-idriss, help me understand, the conversation that has opinion had around the president's rhetoric, we sawte twand facebook have taken down specific, the pretodent's abilitse those platforms arguing that he himlf wa inciting violence. how true do you think that is? do you as many have lay some of the responsibility for wdnesd the feet of the presint? >> i do. i think that not just the incitement of have a lens in this particular case but i think what we have seen for several years now has been a mainstreaming and aio normaliz of extremist ideas. and a lot of dog whistle kind of
calls like stand back, stand by statements. that even if the intent isn't the impact has a lot of risk and danger attached to it. in terms of the far right plob ilizing and feeling like they have been legit mated. and what we are seeing now is not just the president but over elected offeicials, thery people who are supposed to b sources of information, helping to create and popagate a ds information land scaich that says this election is i that there has been mass voter fraud. and really compelling these peopleo act. jm berger, same question to you. do you hold the president and his language both inhe months leading up to the election and post election and wednesday, do for this?him responsible as well >> i do. i have been writing about the kinds of coded language and accommodations that he makes through extremists since the
he deliberately incites in these areas. he uses language and issues that he knows will inflame people. and he also provides the movement with something they really never had in this country, in the mdern era, which is a charismatic leader, typically right wing movements in the united states have been very fractionateed and divided. there is factional inciting shall it-a - infightingge amount of very diverse views. and they don't sin cronnize because they are too discon what donald trump has provided is a sort of central netus, force of gravity that pulls them all into alignment. and that really is it. >> this is obviously at conversation te country is now unfortunately waking up to, perhaps too late. but thank you both very much for beinhere. cynthia milleidriss and jm berger, thanks for joining us.
>> thank you for having us. uf >> woo last week's violence at the capitol has fully recast the final days of donald trump's presidency, including the potential for a second impeachment. our politics monday analysts are here to break down what comes next. that's amy walter of the cook potical report. and tamara keith of npr. hello to both of you. so much has happened since we last spoke. the world has shifted. first thing i want to ask about though amy is the democrats moving full speed ahead with an effort to punish the president. if they can't remove him from office or ge him to step wn before is he going to leave anyway, they are determined to impeach him. is there any political downside to their doing that?lo
>> well,k, for the last four years judy, one thing sems to be true, that big, major eves, events thanot that long ago would have been just, liketh political eaakes don't seem to move opinions of anythin opinions of the president, opinions of political leaders, n et cetera. some ways it feels like we've been here before. and at the same time, i don't know that we havfully processed this moment and as we'ranstarting to see mord more of the videos come out, tspecially those videos tha were taken inside the capitol, the level of violee and destruction there, it's clearf that the storye capitol is going to continue to unfold. and so both conversations that wee having today may look very different three months from now six months from now. and so i guess that is really
important for us because we've been living in this sort of bble for the last for or so years that so many things happening and yet nothing really moving the political sort of dynamic. >>. >> tam, what about that? amy is right, we are living in the last four years and living in the moment. it's beesuch a horrible last several days. how do you see the thinking on the part of democrats as they push ahead to do this? >> they seem to be driven by a couple of things. one, they are down right angry about what happened. members of congress from both sides of the aisle were concerned for their safety. were concerned for the safetof their family. and certainly the democrats whon have s on to this, and we sin't know how many republicans might ultimatelgn on, dozen, it's not clear yet.a but the members who are signingh
on t are wanting to send a message that this is not okay. that a violent insurrection in the u.s. capitol is not okay. that a poalitical lder, essentially, refusing a peaceful transfer of power, a president unwilling to admit what was clearly the outcome of th election, and telling his supporters to go to the capitol, that, that that is not acceptable. that is the message that they want to send. even if it requires impeaching a president who has ten days left in office, and probably can't remove him. there is also the thought of if it were to show get to conviction in the senate, they could also pass a resolution making it so that he couldn't run for office again. so that is the thought process. but thensi on the othe of it there is also a concern that, that this whole process, impeachment isn't easy. and there's a reason for that. that it could gum up the works
for the first 100 days of president-elect joe biden. >> woodruff: no question. and amyoreven befwe get to that, i mean the prospect for the first tie ever a president would be impeached for a scond time. even if you do end up where some-- with the trial in the senate taking place after president trump has left office, which i think that would also make some kind of-- some kind of history. >> right. for whom from the very beginning has busted all sorts of norms and procedures and things that we thought of as sort of normal as pa the presidency. but you know, i want to get also to tam's point about the fact that the clock starts cking for then president biden on january 20th. you kno every president likes to have this hundred day schedule. well, there is a lot that he wants to get done between january 20th and the end of
april. bur the one thing hs this time around that he didn't l befot week and the georgia election, is democrats in control of the senate. which means they control-- they don't have major control, right. they only have 50 seats pluthe tie-breaking vote. but they do have control of the most important thing which is the schedule anethe rul and the floor and so unlike in the previous debate in theenate about impeachment, back in the beginning of 20 20rbgs it's mocrats who are going tset the rules now and they can set them in a way that is going to make bt easier forden to say, you know, get many of his appointees through, do other things, do other bu, sineile this trial is taking place. >> woodruff: and that is what we are hering, tam. yamiche, lisa, thth senator coons that you know, maybe that is something tht uld work out. they spend half the day talking about whether president trump
crimes, inciting insurrection, and they could move on pademic relief at the same time. is that, i mean you have covered washington for awhile. does that sund like something that is realistic? >> yeah, o also confirming nominees. biden has made it clear ad all presidents want this, that he wants his national security team in place. he needs a health care secretary in place. that ir a lot fo congress to do. anything is possible, sometimes magic happens but that is-- that is a lot. >> and sm amy, is it something, they're talking about it now but is this the kind of thing that gets talked about but can't really ha >> you know, judy, i think a lot too is going to depend on what this vote looks like in the house. tam pointed out, we don't know how many republicans may
join democrats t atis point. and if it is more than five orsi again that doesn't seem like a very big number but it's significant in that it is showing some-- within the republican de cracks in the republican defense and that moving on to the senate is very the other thing that we, i think a lot of republicans are assuming, and even somes democrats areuming that what we have even over the last four years is things that seem to continue to be true, that opinions of the president really aren't going to change, and or that he is still such a huge inflawns for the republican party. that may not be true as we move along, again, as we get more information about the capitol attack, as more information comes ou about others and what they have talked about leding up to it. but i do think that you know, b0 many of the votes that are being cast at this moment could
look very different and the president's influence could look very different. publicans are hoping th democrats will overreach, which is what the party in charge usually does, that is why thy lose mid term elections. but if that is not the case, then this is going to be a bigger challenge potentially for republican bhos have been used to hang donald trump's influence driving evinry >> so many questions about how this is going to play out, what it is going to mean for both political parties what is gong to happen to the president, what we're going to see in a divided, evenly divided senate and so on. so much to look at and to talk about. thank you both, amy walter, tamara keith. and that's the newshour for tonight. i'm judy woodruff. join us online and again here tomorrow evening.fo all of us at the pbs newshour, thank you, please stay safe, and see you soon. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by:
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