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saved my life. what we do here at dana-faber, changes lives everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. this sunday, mounting pressure on president trump. on impeachment or evidence that military aid to ukraine was held up. >> there is no doubt there was a quid pro quo. >> pending investigations of president trump demanding and now the public will get to hear testimony directly. >> weill begin our open hearings in the impeachment inquiry next week. >> republicans insist mr. trump did nothing wrong. >> show me where there is a quid quo pro. >> it's actually getting easier to defend the president. >> my guest this morning, republican senator rand paul of kentucky and democratic
congressman jim heinz of connecticut that sits on the committee and another election night for president trump. republican losses in suburbia and kentucky. >> it sends a bad message, you can't let that happen to me. >> suggests last year's blue wave isn't going away and the bloomberg bombshell, democrats worry about the strength of the contenders. >> a lot of people are afraid of big structural change. >> the way to approach politics today to get these done is not to question people's motives. >> michael bloomberg prepares to enter the race. i'll talk to a man many democrats want to run instead, senator sheriff brown of ohio. joining me for insight and analysis nbc news white house correspondent halle jackson, hugh hewitt, yamiche alcindor and washington post columnist
david. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." good sunday morning. president trump finds himself facing pressure on two fronts. on impeachment, a growing number of witnesses testifying before congress have confirmed that military aid was being with held until ukraine agreed to announce investigations into president trump's rivals and confirmation that yes, the ukrainians did know a quid pro quo existed and testifying will happen behind closed doors. they hope to refocus the public hearings on joe biden's son and perhaps the whistle blower and tuesday night's political fallout, president trump made a special trip to kentucky to support republican governor matt beven. democrats took control, though,
of both houses of the virginia legislature for the first time in a generation and also swept local elections from missouri to pennsylvania. the large take away, there is no ebbing the democratic tide among suburban college-educated voters. that should be a bright flashing red light for both republican office holders and for president trump next year but democrats have their own flashing red light as worries about prospects led michael bloomberg to take formal steps to enter the race. on impeachment, there is no sign democrats are paying a political price, not yet. >> those open hearings will be an opportunity for the american people to evaluate the witnesses. >> impeachment to the country as a hand full of current and former diplomats testify to a quid pro quo. bill taylor, that was my clear
understanding, security assistance money will not come until the president of ukraine committed to pursue the investigation of the bidens. >> testified and gave the most sweeping and devastating testimony. >> reporter: the national security counsel's top ukraine expert, alex vindman, there was no doubt. george kent also told investigators that president trump wanted nothing less than president zelensky to go to a microphone and say investigations biden and clinton and president trump's former top russia advisor fiona hill testify that u.s. ambassador to the e.u. gordon sun land told officials in a july 10th meeting how he had an agreement with chief of staffmulvaney if they go forward with the
investigations and she said he told a ukrainian official resumption of the u.s. aid would not occur until the ukraine provided the public anti corruption statement. republicans struggled to defend the president. some acknowledging a quid pro quo but insisting it's not impeachment. >> there are appropriate quid proq quos and inappropriat. >> reporter: now arguing if there was a quid pro quo the president did not direct it. >> nobody testified there is a quid pro quo ordered by the united states. instead pointing the finger. >> the text message i saw from ambassador.
>> i hardly know the gentleman and nick mulvaney and rudy giuliani. >> i don't know what rudy did. >> joining me is rand paul. welcome back to "meet the press", sir. >> thanks for having me. >> let me start with the kentucky results first before we get into the events of later this week. just your initial reaction, matt bevin, do you see his loss as something bigger than matt bevin about the republican party as a whole. >> we won five out of six. we did lose the governor's race. we were disappointed in it but the interesting thing is we beat a lot of other candidates that no one expected us to. in many ways there was a red wave in kentucky.
i think it was mostly particularly about one race and i think the teachers were very unhappy. he tried to fix the pension but got cross ways with the teachers and the teachers anchor came out but i think he was trying to do the right thing, which is save the pension for the teachers but it's tough when you ask people to pay more to keep their mention in place, people get unhappy. >> you know, it's interesting. he was the on candidate you talked about the rest of the republican candidates that won below him. he decided to nationalize this race, make it about president trump and impeachment and in hindsight, was that a mistake? >> a lot of candidates do that. we have conservative voters that elect representatives overwhelmingly because they are socially conservative and do support president trump. i don't think it's a bad strategy necessarily. i think he had some other things to overcome. one thing was the anger of the teachers but another was some problems within the republican base. he lost some republican counties that other republicans got over
60% so there was a problem within his base and that's a complicated matter but there are a lot of specific reasons and fights within the republican party that may have hurt him. >> let me move to the events that will be taking place this week. first, let me simply ask, have you been reading the transcripts? have they been released? >> i've been reading reports. the transcripts i haven't seen. i think the american people want fairness and i don't think they will judge fairness when they accuse president trump of the same thing joe biden did, threatening the aid of some kind of corruption not investigated and seems like everybody, both parties have been threatening aid if some kind of investigation either doesn't happen or is ended and so i think really what's going to happen is people will say they are impeaching president trump for exactly the same thing joe biden did. he threatened the aid if they didn't fire someone and supposedly, the president did if they didn't investigate someone.
so it sounds exactly like what joe biden did and if they weren't going to impeach joe biden, they look like hypocrites for only going after president trump and not having a word to say about what joe biden did. >> you think it's appropriate for the president of the united states that sought this quid pro quo? i want to set aside biden. is it appropriate for the president of the united states. >> right. >> to have engaged in this? >> i think there is a real question whether you think the president should specifically go after one person, but there is a real question whether joe biden should have gone after one pr prosecutor. it's exactly the same question -- >> the united states -- >> let me finish. there say question about that. if it were me, i wouldn't give them the aid because we don't have the money. we have to borrow the money from china to send to ukraine. i'm against the aid and it's a mistake to do the aid so i wouldn't have played any games. it's unfair to treat trump under
one standered and joe biden under another. >> i don't want why that's always used as a deflection. does that mean you think it's okay for the president to act this way? it doesn't matter what we think of joe biden. if it's wrong for this to be done -- >> it kind of does. but i i'll approach it from a different way. fairness is one angle. i don't think people will think this is fair. the second angle, foreign aid by law can only go to countries that are not corrupt. so if you think that a country is acting in a corrupt way, the president can with hold aid until the corruption is fixed. you have to say he didn't really believe the bidens were corrupt. he absolutely does. you give him a lie detector test and say do you think the bidens were corrupt and corruption is in the law you can't give aid to a country that has corruption? this ends up being a policy
debate and partisan debate and has nothing to do with legality or ill legality or impeachment but it's a partisan way to try to overturn the election. >> should there be a distinction between whether administration -- people in the administration asked for a quid pro quo and whether the president himself directed it? is there a distinction there is no proof the president himself directed it but for instance, as we've seen transcripts indicate nick mulvaney was directing this, does that distinction matter to you? >> we've gotten lost in this idea of quid pro quo and kennedy hit the nail on the head, if you're not allowed to give aid to people that are corrupt, there is contingencies on aid. president obama with held aid. he was supposed to give lethal aid, $300 million in lethal aid and he sent blankets. the president sent a resisted congress and a back and forth jockeying what is sent but presidents have with held aid
before for corruption so the thing is i think it's a mistake to say he with held aid until he got what he wanted. if it's corruption and he believes there to be corruption, he has every right to with hold aid. it's a big mistake for anybody to argue quid pro quo and that's what the administration is arguing. every politician in washington other than me is trying to manipulate ukraine to the purposes. menendez tried it, murphy tried it, biden tried, they are all doing it. they are trying to manipulate ukraine to get some kind of investigation, either to end an investigation or start an investigation. >> let me ask the question this way, though. if you're the average american citizen watching this, should you be concerned that the president of the united states wanted a foreign government to help investigate a political rival? down why some people think that's an un -- that that is basically abusing the office for political gain to mess with the election? >> i think you're right, chuck. i think an equal number of
people are up set hillary clinton hired a bridge spy to hire russians to get dirt called the steel dossier. here is hillary clinton in the middle of a campaign hiring a foreign spy agency or a foreign spy -- >> you did it again to me. >> so you -- >> you went back and said okay, this is behavior that's bad over here. there is behavior bad over there. all that does is condition us for more bad behavior. when do we put a stop to it? >> what i'm asking for is they be treated equally. the american public will say if you didn't do anything to hillary clinton, why is it wrong for president trump to try -- >> do two wrongs make a right? >> what i would say is people want them to be treated fairly. i'm not saying two wrongs make a right. i'm not saying i would have done it that way. all i'm saying is you impeach president trump and let hillary clinton skate. i think people say that as unfair so if it comes partisan, no republicans voted for impeachment. >> is there anything that you could hear that might make you -- are you an open minded
juror? let me ask it that way. >> i'm very open-minded and fair-minded. you'll not meet a person more fair than i am. i believe justice should be color blind, gender blind, you name it. i think justice should. one of our traditions about justice and finding justice is defense should be able to present their witnesses so if you can't call hunter biden and can't call the whistle blower, that's sort of a sham. that's not even really a trial. so i am fair minded but the trial has to be fair. >> senator rand paul republican from kentucky. thank you for coming on and sharing views. appreciate it. >> thank you. joining me now from stamford, connecticut jim heinz. welcome. >> thank you. >> will there be new information from what the public learns on wednesday morning? >> there will be new information.
i suspect the public have not read the newly released transcripts and i think they will hear patriotic beautifully articulate people telling the story of a president who forget quid pro quo who extorted a vulnerable company holding up military aid. yes, they will hear something new. chuck, if you'll grant me one second here, my head is only now decome busting from the exchange with rand paul. i spent 11 years in public service defending the press and when senator rand paul comes on and says that what donald trump did and the transcript is there, extorting a foreign government for his personal political gain and that's exactly the same thing as joe biden, exactly the same thing as what he said as joe biden saying this prosecutor should be released, when joe biden is acting in consistency with american foreign policy and back then we had a whole list of things that had to be done and
this was american foreign policy, it was european union policy, it was imf policy that this prosecutor needed to go when rand paul says that that's exactly the same thing as the president of the united states saying you need to find dirt on my political opponent, and with all due respect, chuck, when you say well, do two wrongs make a right? let's be clear. the president of the united states demanding extorting a vulnerable country to do his political bidding, to go after his opponent has nothing to do with joe biden executing the foreign policy of the united states or hillary clinton who is a private citizen doing opposition research on her presidential opponent.ically di and what the president did is wrong and impeachment. >> you said you think the words quid pro quo shouldn't be used anymore. it's a lot of your colleagues using it. it's part of this debate. do you feel as if that word
doesn't penetrate the seriousness that happened? >> i have two problems with quid spro q pro quo. you try to persuade the american people the president acted criminally, a vulnerable foreign country, it's probably best not to use latin words to explain it. but the other thing i object to is this is where republicans went. extortion doesn't require you give me this and i'll give you that kind of quid pro quo. it requires using your muscle to get something you don't have a right to. so look, by the way, of course, the crowning absurdity is they are admitting because ambassador sondland refreshed his recollection. they are admitting there was a quid pro quo but it wasn't as bad. look, we have to get off this
quid pro quo thing and attested it occurred and what we're dealing with is corruption, abusive power in a way that damaged national security. >> are you concerned if there is one missing piece of the story, it is you don't have yet a first-hand witness of the president directing mulvaney and the onb to put this old on here. that's a close circle you haven't been able to talk to people in that circle yet. how important to have first-hand witness in that circle before you vote out articles of impeachment? >> well, that's a really good question, and i think what's going to happen in the next couple of weeks is that the president's defense that you heard last week, which is all these people had second-hand knowledge, that's going to crumble. lieutenant colonial vinmand was on the call and a lot of people who, remember, are the president's people, the people in the white house. these aren't democrats on a
mission to bring down the president. the president's people will testify to what they knew. you ask a very interesting and specific question. of course we would like to have nick mulvaney into the congress to say what i think we know. you will learn in the testimony that it was nick mulvaney driving the decision and pushing the decision to suspend aid and everyone that saw it happen will say we had no idea where this is coming from and unanimously opposed. it would be good to have him come in and explain his conversations with the president but remember, chuck, his conversations with the president unlike the other claims of privilege, that is actually probably covered by executive privilege but the american people need to decide did nick mulvaney go home and think this up? i'll suspend $400 million in military aid to ukraine or perhaps get some kind of suggestion or order from the president of the united states. >> is there a distinction since he is still a confirmed head of a cabinet level agency, office
of management and budget, does that at all impact his claims of executive privilege? >> that's a good question. i can tell you for certain the white house would say that the conversations that nick mulvaney as chief of staff would be protected by executive privilege and wherever you come out on that, of course, that is an argument that i'm quite sure could go on for years. so as a practical matter, i don't think we'll hear from it. what the american people are going to hear because we'll ask this question, is how many times in american history has the director of the office of management and budget sat in a room full of national security leaders and said we're cutting off this aid and what the american people will hear is that that is a wildly unusual, if not unique event. >> are you at all concerned that your colleagues on the other side of the aisle will turn and
make it a hard process for some to follow, perhaps sabotaging of the process where it makes it more difficult for you to air your -- air this public testimony? >> well, of course, that's the strategy all along is to attack the process and when you look at their witness list, you can sort of tell what they are doing. they are doing two or three things. they are calling a number of witnesses we already deposed and these are witnesses who aren't going to say the president's actions are okay but say they had very serious concerns about it but say well, gosh, i didn't know this was going on. i wasn't sure if this was illegal. that's not a strong defense. the other thing, of course, joe biden's son is on that witness list. they will try to do exactly what you were pushing back on senator paul for doing. they would like to bring joe biden's son in front of the american people to discuss his role on the board of barisma and we can have a long conversation whether the sons and daughters
of high-ranking officials can do that. that has nothing to do, absolutely nothing to do with the actions of the united states president in extorting ukraine in a way that damage ourd national security. >> congressman jim heinz, you will become a more familiar face on wednesday. thank you for coming on and sharing views. >> thank you, chuck. when we come back, the public will hear from witnesses in the impe a
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panelist hugh hewitt and my colleague, chief white house correspondent hallie jackson and washington post columnist david. seeing how they want to defend the president continues, halle, to be a miss ystery. let me up up an array of attempts. the various ways various defenders of the president made a way to defend the president here. let's take a listen. >> get over it. there is going to be political influence and foreign policy. >> i look at it this way, the aid is there. and the investigations didn't happen. so if there was a quid pro quo, it wasn't effective. >> nobody testified there is a quid pro quo ordered by the
president of the united states. >> rand paul is like i'm against all foreign aid and i don't know why they are arguing about that. there is not an agreement among congressional republicans and what to do here. >> no, and they are not getting any messages from the white house what they would like them to take moving forward. i wonder is it beside the point because to the president the only thing that matters is these people are defending him. how is almost irrelevant to the president. that's not -- >> doesn't care about the substance of the defense? >> i'll told by sources he is watching very closely television. he is looking to see who is defending him and how they are supporting him. he's vacillating between anger and frankly relish at times furious about the fight and other times really liking, bringing this on. and the president wants to see his people defending him. how they get there, meh. >> i don't know about meh. in those segments, we have a
snapshot how difficult this will be to convince the country this is extraordinary behavior and disqualifies from office. this is purely partisan and back and forth, this one did it, that one did it. the one thing that will breakthrough, i think, is if this can be dramatized so our diplomats feel like soldiers in a battle field and commander abandoned them and if that gets through, or if there is something corrupt that rudy giuliani was doing that we discover, that changes the stakes and makes it a different process. based on what we heard now, it's political bickering and the way the people will hear it. >> i know where you are professionally and personally on this, but it z seem like congressional republicans wouldn't mind a sacrifik ra lan >> i'm doing my best to read the
transcripts and have enormous respect for the people of state. my son works there and mike pompeo is a friend of mine. i'm trying to be respectful. i don't see any impeachment offense in the record. i don't see an offense. i see the back channel the state department hated since harry hopkins went to england for fdr and scully was involved in the cuban missile crisis. the state department hates back channels. when they blow up like iran, they blow up badly but there is nothing illegal. we're on the verge of the first partisan impeachmenimpeachment. >> impeachment in '98 was a partisan affair. >> bipartisan in the vote. >> amosh voted for it, too. >> make it about as bipartisan as the others. >> republicans have had at least 14 ways to defend this president and the president wants fierce
loyalty. the president wants a republican party talking about him in a positive light who are making the arguments that frankly you're making, which is that the president did nothing wrong or the president might have done something a little problematic but this is how foreign policy works. we have to give them something to be able to get something. i will say democrats are very -- they are very focused on how to tell this story this week and i'm told from democratic aids they wanted taylor to be there because he's a vietnam vet and wanted marie yovanovitch there because i'm told she cried in her testimony and wants somebody to be emotional to say i was a victim of the president to do this. >> i think what we're talking about is there is a difference strategies in the gop side. looking for a shift, you saw that with congressman a second ago. >> don't use the latin. >> it may be -- listen, that's the argument democrats are making if they say people don't
get the latin of it, let's call it extortion. let's call it something more s visceral. >> in the is the eugene argument, what trump did is bribery. is this really the democratic party's -- is that why there is 40% not listening? >> their problem is this is something complicated and gets more complicated with all the names and far away events and here we had, one of the leading democrats saying we don't want to talk about quid pro quo. if that's too complicated, the rest is, too. if there is a simple way to dramatize this where these people sound like soldiers fighting or fight for us and they got under cut, then it will be different. >> democrats have to deal with 2677 pages of testimony to bring that to life and as a result, they are trying to say look, we
need to change the language here because for my cousins in miami and places quid pro quo might be complicated in the supermarket to say the president tried to bribe them. that's a more simple way they are trying to make the argument. >> there is no quo. >> that's the organizemeargumen >> i don't like this but the aid is there. >> there was a concrete act, a break in and affair in the white house with an intern on which you have a date, stamp, time and the american people understood. not only is that not here, there is a compelling argument that what the president did is just what other presidents do. i'm persuaded by this. i don't think the senate -- there will be an impeachment. they will send an article over. i don't think the senate should take it up. they should reject the motion to proceed or never touch it or we'll have this again and again. secret tryings, secret hearings, a bad precedent. >> there may be one person that
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welcome back. it is in their nature for democrats to be nervous of fumbling away the chance to beat president trump. everybody wonders about bernie sanders and elizabeth warren electability and pete buttigieg's ability to win over the party and all of which may explain michael bloom berke's thinking and why there is space for him to get into this race. which brings us to sherrod brown, many saw as the ideal candidate to sort of bring two wings of the party together. but he also declined to run. senator brown has just written deck 88, eight progressive senators who changed america. about the senators who have sat
at the same deck he sits at on the senate floor. senator brown joins me from chicago. welcome back to meet the press. >> good to be back, thanks, chuck. >> before i get into the book, i got to ask you about, look this timing here of this week, we had planned this interview with you before michal kempny bloomberg jumped in, but you -- michake pe be bloomberg have jumped in. many think you should have jumped in, not michal kempny bloom. >> it's genetic. we always do that. i think when voters make the contrast with president trump's promises. especially his promises to workers in lords town, ohio and all over the industrial mid-west, contrast that with trump's betrayal of workers on
minimum wage and overtime of his court appointees and the national labor relations board. he betrays workers in the mid-west and he betrays our allies in the middle east. i think that's the contrast voters will make with whomever our nominee is. and we win in 2020 as a result. so i don't have this hand wringing anguish a number of others have had. >> look, you and your wife say the phone calls have increased not decreased, basically you and michael bloomberg decided around the same time not to get in, much of it was attributed to joe biden. now you say that wasn't the case, biden's strength didn't push you out. but what do you say to these folks that call you up and say, reconsider, senator? >> well, i've just never, i said from the beginning, i've never had the big desire to be president of the united states. to get into this race to won for a year, you've got to do it more
than anything imaginable. that's what separates the ambition of those who get to the senate and governor and those who decide to run for president. you heard the line 56 years ago a senator once said the only cure for presidential virus in the united states senate is embalming fluid and i don't want to be that guy. i love what i'm doing and i just didn't have the huge ambition you need to be the president of the united states. >> do you feel as if the top candidates, the top four, sanders, warren, buttigieg, biden, could carry ohio right now? >> oh, i don't about anybody, it doesn't matter right now, it matters 12 months from now, yes, i think ohio has been a swing state for pretty much my whole lifetime and i think that it will be a swing state again. i think it will be competitive. i go back to the promises this president's made, he promises, makes promises to farmers and he
chooses the oil industry over family farmers in western ohio. i think that is eating away at his support. i think a democrat that talks about the dignitary of work, looks into the camera, lookings out at these rallies, talks to people about respect, honoring work, whether you punch a clock or swipe a badge or raise tips for events. all workers win if our candidates campaign through the eyes of workers and govern in 2021 through the eyes of workers. >> you made it clear from the get go, that democrats can make this about promises that president trump made and failed to deliver on, that they have a good chance of winning. do you think complain i campaigning on medicare for all wroern protecting and expanding obamacare does that? >> i have said publicly i think people should say i want to -- i don't want to destroy obamacare and start over. i want to build on it. but i think the issue, step back for a second, chuck, all the democrats want universal coverage. some want to get to it at
different speeds on different paths. contrast that where this president went to congress, lost by one vote, trying to wipe the away the affordable care act. now he's in a court in the northern district of texas trying to take away the consumer protections for pre-existing condition, trying to take away the medicaid expansion in ohio. 600,000 people in my state, the republican governor john kasich and i teamed up to do. president trump wants to make that contrast. democrats want to get to universal coverage. republicans want to take it away. >> senator, on the impeachment front, you've said it's the right thing to do, you also said you are a juror and you will keep an open mind n. fairness, if you believe impeachment is the right thing to do, it doesn't sound like your mind is very opened on the president. >> my mind is opened in terms of the trial, my mind, i concluded. richard nixon never did what this president did, go to another country and said please, please, help me in my campaign.
so that's why he should be indicted. impeached, saying he's indicted in a court of law. when we go to the senate trial, 100 jurors, we -- and this is the only time you will hear me say this we shouldn't listen to public input on this. this is a trial. and we should look at the evidence and does it rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors to the point of conviction and removal from office? and i hope all 100 members of the senate, republicans and democrats alike look at it that way as they would in a court of law. i'm not a lawyer. most of my colleagues are, including most of my republican colleagues. they understand what this should mean. they should stop talking about getting rid of this and do that. >> senator your book desk 88. we had a little fun of it here. of the senators you wrote about in your desk here, two of them have made more appearances on "meet the press" than you have, gorge mcgovern and bobby kennedy. >> who would have known that?
you will catch them, though, i have a feeling here. the desks, have you carved you're name in your desk already and seniors do this in all 100 desks, don't they? >> well, some senators deep harry truman signed tin desks. some consider it defacing public property. it started when i was a freshman and went out. we had to choose ten desks that were not taken. i was the last to choose, a freshman, i pulled out the desk drawer, there are no bad seats. are you not signature behind a post at fenway park. i saw the name kennedy after seeing mcgovern and al gore and hugo block. i asked ted, which property was this he said, well, it's got to be bobby's because i have jack's desk. >> that intrigued my. i share a love of history like you do, chuck. i begin to think of these eight senators, some of whom are pretty much lost to history. all of them believed as i do, that's really the key and the reason i wear this canal pin a
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back now end game. yammiche i want to play here the welcome michael bloomberg got from his fellow republicans. let's say it wasn't very warm. take a listen. >> this is a stark differenc than someone that can come in and flop down checks and buy a bunch of ads i think people will see through it. >> i think that our elections should not be something bought by billionaires. >> so tonight we say to michae bloomberg and other billionaires, sorry, you ain't going to buy this election >> interestingly, both joe biden and pete buttigieg didn't have harsh reactions to that, the way other candidates did >> especially for progressive candidates they see michael bloomberg's
money as the number one achilles heel that he has also all of that money in some way he can buy ads and become competitive. she obviously very, have late, it's not like michelle obama got into the race. it's not like this is going to shift completely everything that's happening remember that president trump at that time was a front-runner he skipped the debate and continued to still have momentum that's the message peopl around bloomberg are saying, even though he is late, he can probably have a chance >> let me put up the data skipping the first four states in the month of january, less than 4% of delegates are available with those four states he's going to skip guess what happens in the month of march, 61% of all delegates are available so if you were looking at it as a business problem, you would say, yeah, there's 61% not 4. >> so politics isn't logical like a business. i think that's the argument you are hearing, resources on both
sides of the aisle are raising questions strategically does this actually make sense with the way politics work today, coverage works today, trump was in the race wholeheartedly, biden maybe didn't throw shade at michae bloomberg. he definitely had a little swagger if you look at the pools, the implication i don't know why bloomberg is getting in here >> david, i want to put up these numbers from march it looked like he was going to get in he had a net negative rating among democratic caucus-goers in iowa there are parts of the democratic party, that support elizabeth warren that do not like bloomberg >> no question bloomberg has proble problems i think th fact that these come in illustrates the uneasiness in the democratic party among perspective voters about the
field right now. i think this is the last late entering centrist democrat >> do you think barr will get in or duvall patrick of massachusetts? >> i think if biden continues to have difficulty, greater difficulty, there will be somebody else that we'll see and i would think -- >> do you have a name, sir >> well, i'll describe the kind of person who would fit. it's somebody who can bring the country together the problem looking at the field, other than biden, it's hard to imagin elizabeth warren uniting the country for all of her strengths, somebody who has served in the military, has that national security credible i bet we'll have other late entry personalities. >> hugh, michael bloomberg gave us a reason why he did not jump into this race in march. it was quite blunt take a listen. >> but it's just not going to happen on a national level for
somebody like me starting where i am, unless i was willing t change all my views and go on what cnn called an apology tour. joe biden went out and apologized for being male, over 50, white, he apologized for the one piece of legislation, which is a pretty good anti-crime bill >> and he wants to win the democratic primary voters. >> i think he is being hones perhaps the apology tour cycled through the primary, it's good to step forward and be who you are. i have been wrong from the beginning. i thought kamala harris would be rising like a rocket, it's pete buttigieg. i think it's scale he can spend $100 million and spen less than 5% of his fortune in 30 states no one has ever had this sort of resources. so when rudy tried the i'll wait, he didn't have $55 to $70 on which to spend $100 million
that's a lot of stuff. >> so let's talk about the elephant in the room with michael bloomberg. it's really for all candidates fought biden what is your plan to win african-american voters >> i have three words, stop and frisk. people will remember the fact that african-americans were stopped and a judge found it to be unconstitutional because it was racially discriminatory. michael bloomberg says i don't want to apologize for that he never did apologize i talked to a black republican just yesterday who said i like that about michael bloomberg that's a black republican. most african-americans do not like that policy >> look i think there are people close t joe biden's campaign who see these numbers know your point joe biden does have the strongest coalition of african-american voters. who does bloomberg provide >> he's got to get out of the cocoon and we'll find out. maybe bloomberg's candidacy forces him to let it rip
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