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i'm telling you what we have been very clear. the president has been clear. our national security adviser has been clear. we're all clear from this podium or direct communication with russia whether it's the with president or its leadership that if they were to invade. in lock step with our european allies, that there would be severe decisive economic consequences. i cannot speak for than that. >> the sanctions package being worked out on capitol hill, understand that the white house is involved in though situations now and congressional sources have told me that the white house has insisted on a waiver for nord stream 2 even after an invasion. can you confirm if that is true, why would the white house want a provision like that in a sanctions package coming out of
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congress? >> when it comes to nord stream 2, the president said this last week with the german chancellor, if russia invades, there will no longer be a nord stream 2. we will bring an end to it. right now nord stream 2 is not even operational. >> martha: was the white house construct ago waiver? >> that's the first i'm hearing of that. i can tell you where we've been in a strong and definitive way. >> the second topic, this is about the durham investigation. does the president have any concerns about a candidate for president using computer experts to infiltrate computer systems of competing candidates or even the president-elect to use nor the goal of creating a narrative? is that something -- >> that's something that i can't speak to from this podium. i refer you -- >> is what is described in that
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report monitoring internet traffic, is that spying? >> again, i can't speak to that report. i refer you to the department of justice. >> generally speaking, would monitoring -- >> i refer you to the department of justice. i can't speak to that from here. >> thanks. what message does it send to be closing the embassy in kiev? >> the embassy? i know the state department -- >> white house briefing on going as the world awaiting to hear more information where the white house stands on the situation in russia continues to get intense. the big question right now, could whence be the day that russia moves in. senator are being briefed on this problem. welcome. i'm charles payne for neil cavuto and this is "your world." where is all of this heading? we'll ask republican mike rounds
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and pentagon spokesman john kirby in a moment. for to aishah hasnie on capitol hill where lawmakers are being briefed at this moment. aishah? >> charles, good afternoon to you. the senate briefing is still underway. this one is classified. it comes at a time when republicans are warning that time is running out for congress to act as democrats and the state department and the white house as you just heard there believe a window for diplomacy they believe is still open. >> we're not saying that president putin made a final decision. we have not communicated otherwise to our partners. we believe that diplomacy continues to be viable. we believe that there's still remains a window to resolve this through dialogue and diplomacy. >> so charles, let's talk about that bipartisan sanctions package that jacqui just asked
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about. some senate republicans believe the white house is the reason why that package is stalled here on the hill. there's two major sticking points right now, whether to hit russia with sanctions before or after an invasion and then also what to do about nord stream 2. the white house wanting to wait until an invasion to kill that pipeline. there's some questions about that today. this morning national security adviser jake sullivan gave ranking house members an unclassified briefing of the situation. a source familiar to that briefing tells me that sullivan said if russia were to invade ukraine, that germany would either deny the license for the pipe line or the u.s. may impose sanctions that would deny operations. the bottom line here, it's still unclear if germany will stand with the u.s. on this or if we're going to have to force its hand. >> no deterrence at best.
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we've been advocating for active sanctions. it's an act of provocation. why did he wave nord stream two sanctions that congressman dated? it's a very grim assessment. i think the time for diplomacy is running out and the noose is tightening around the neck of the ukraine. >> when it comes to u.s. troops, there's differences there, too, charles. there's liberals and conservatives that don't want to see our men and women anywhere near ukraine. pelosi doesn't think that the president needs congressional approval for that. charles, if anything were to escalate inside of ukraine, if things were to possibly get out of hand, the administration absolutely does to the have the authorization from congress to move forward. charles? >> thanks very much. now to jennifer griffin at the pentagon. jennifer? >> charles, the mood here is
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gravely serious around concerned. officials say they see no evidence that putin is backing down. eyebrows were raised when it was revealed that wednesday is when they will invade. >> we will make it a union day, the decree has been signed. that afternoon, we will hang national flags, put on blue, yellow ribbons and show the world or unity. >> local officials that serve as advisers to president zelensky, a former tv comedian, say the president was joking, be ironic, an odd time to make jokes. we came out of a briefing with john kirby here at the pentagon who announced defense secretary lloyd austin is leaving for brussels tomorrow to meet his nato counter parts and then traveling to poland and
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lithuania. >> you don't see evidence that his forces have moved in to attack position? >> i'm not going to talk about what we're seeing on the ground. what i will tell you is, we continue to see him advance his reainess and improve his capabilities and provide himself more options should he decide to take military action in ukraine. >> do you have evidence that china game its tacit support to russia during that meeting february 4 for an invasion of ukraine? >> the statement itself reads as tacit support. >> this is the first time we've heard u.s. officials go so far to say president xi of china with the backdrop of the olympics gave president putin a nod to invade a sovereign nation. >> how does my next guest see it playing out? mike rounds is a member hoff the arm services committee and joins us now.
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senator, obviously a lot of moving parts a lot of opaqueness here, too, for the american public. i hope you can give us a better glimpse what is happening here. >> mr. putin is in charge of his own schedule. we are not. this has been going on since last march. he's continued to make this build-up. it's sad to see that we're offering diplomacy but not butting in as strong a position as we should be with regard to providing defensive capabilities to the ukrainians. >> senator, you mentioned last march and our position seems like we're trying to catch up. i wasn't aware that the origins go back that far. if that's the case, we haven't we been prepared better? why haven't we been helping to train more effectively? we weren't we selling the sort of systems that would allow the ukrainian people to defend themselves more effectively? >> i think mr. biden has had his
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focus in other areas. the fact that he was working on getting out of afghanistan and in the meantime, he's been working on his own domestic policies her at home. right now mr. putin has followed this and decided this is the right time in which he can push his agenda. unfortunately we're not doing as much as we could be doing without actually encumbering any of our troops. just to give you an example, if we would have started with our defensive capabilities in ukraine earlier, that might have made mr. putin rethink whether or not it was worth while to actually come in and attack them knowing that he could have loss of life that was greater. second of all right now, as you know, we've had in the united states a change in our heart with regard to being a producer of energy. beginning with mr. biden stepping in and shutting down pipelines, deciding he didn't want to do oil and gas leases on
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federal lands, that sent a message to the crude oil -- to the markets that they're going to have to increase the price on crude oil, which has resulted in significant increases to the american public, over 40% increases due to inflation on the supply side with respect to petroleum. the same thing impacts russia except on the other side. mr. putin gets more for his products. right now if we opened up production again and said let's open production up again, let's start being a producer again, it would drop the press and give mr. putin less dollars to use to fund his armies. >> senator, along the line of that, one question being asked about nord stream 2. if we can in fact trust the germans to shut down the pipeline if there's a russia invasion. where does this stand right now? >> my understanding in talking with other members that have
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spoke with german officials, they have very little doubt that germany would shut down the pipeline. that's the information that i'm receiving from others. i think germany is recognizing that mr. putin has to be stopped or otherwise he will do it again. europe needs peace to thrive. i don't think germany wants more than anybody else. i don't think anybody wants to have war. part of that send a message to mr. putin that if he does this, all hell will break out but it's economic hell and one that will hurt his country badly. there's pain and suffering as well on our part. when you do sanctions, you're telling your people not to do business. germany clearly i believe understands how serious this is as their neighbors are being attacked or at least threat tenned at this point. hopefully mr. putin still has
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time to back off. it's getting clearer to the point to make a decision. he has front line troops that they don't allow to deploy. they don't live them there very long unless they use them. >> thanks, senator rounds. so all of these worries over a russian invasion sparking more worries for drivers here in america. gas is averaging $3.49. and a briefing $100 a barrel. we'll be catching that. as more u.s. troops head out today, where is our involvement in this heading? we're going to spent with the pentagon spokesman, john kirby later in the hour. first, nancy pelosi digging in on spending even though fellow democrat joe manchin says americans are spent. are mid-term voters listening? after a week-long blockade is back up, still canada is not
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>> justin trudeau is reportedly ready to make a move of his own. to fox business's grady trimble with more. grady? >> hi, charles. we understand the prime minister is considering invoking the emergencies act which has never been done before. it gives him broader authority to bar people from gathering in a certain area or travelling to a certain area. he's set to speak in about 15 minutes. the goal there, to remove the truckers that remain on welling street here in front of the parliament building in ottawa. lindsey is here with me. why do you feel so passionate about this? >> we're here for our children. my 2-year-old doesn't know anything different. unless we stand together and
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fight for this, this is her normal for the rest of her life. it's not acceptable. >> you think the move by the prime minister will work? will it be enough to get people out of here? >> i think what he's going to do is going to give more fuel and emergency and more passion to this cause and this movement than he could ever imagine. >> to the people that say protesters and truckers have taken the city under siege by closing businesses this downtown area, what is your response? >> i think it's a really unfortunate turn of events. i understand that yes, it's hard to get in, but from the locals that we met since we've been here, this is our second time being here with our children. they're all happy that everybody is here. yes, it's unfortunate that they can't open their business but that is a choice. they're making a choice not to open it. they're allowed to. they're making a choice not to some people are intimidated by a
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massive crowd. it's been two years since we've done this. it's unfortunate. >> i will say, charles, from what we've seen the past couple days here, it's more like a party atmosphere but in the middle of the streets, a street festival. the mayor has struck a deal with the truckers to get them out of the residential area and in to parliament hill here, which means there's more truckers in this area and fewer in the neighborhoods. i don't know what the the aim is. but both sides seemed pleased with that agreement. >> yeah, i think so. the residents probably feel like hey, we're not in this, but we support you. give us a break. thanks, grady. i appreciate it. switching gears now to a big battle gearing up for the children. voters in san francisco heading to the polls for a special election recalling there democrat school board members.
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some parents are accusing them of putting a political agenda ahead of their kids education. we're going to claudia cowan live in san francisco. >> it's one controversy after the other with the san francisco school board. as you mentioned, they're all democrats and who critics say prioritize racial allegations during the pend including renaming 44 schools that they deem to be offensive including schools named after abraham lincoln and george washington without a plan to get kids back in the same schools. covering a historic high school mural because it depicts images of slaves. eliminating merit-based admissions at an academically
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elite high school because too many asian kids were getting in. the chinese community was enraged by tweets of allison collins who was black who was on the board. she said asian americans used white supremacist thinking to get ahead. when collins was subsequently demoted, she sued the district for $87 million fuelling yet another pandemic side show. if these three are recalled, san francisco major listen don breed will cheese their replacements. she's blasted the school board for being distracted by political agendas. while breed is a democrat that supports the recall, many have called it a conservative grab and waste of money. we could note the fate of all three board members by late tomorrow night. back to you. >> joe manchin tearing in to d.c. spending with inflation
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surging. now house speaker nancy pelosi is tearing in to him. how is this democratic divide playing out in november? we're getting new information on the john durham investigation after that bomb shell report in the hillary clinton campaign. a live report from the department is next.
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>> charles: new details in the durham probe which fox has just learned is accelerating. david spunt has more. >> john durham's probe looking at the origins of the russia investigation began almost three years ago. may will mark three years and our colleague just reported a
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few minutes ago that this probe is accelerating and more people are cooperating and coming before the federal grand jury. this news came out friday. many republicans including former president may feel vindicated about what happened because they believe this is finally getting to the substantial part. un-friday, special counsel durham filed a motion relating to a potential conflict of interest within the defense team of former clinton campaign attorney michael sussmann who pleaded guilty of lying to the fbi. susman was involved with someone known as tech executive 1 that worked with an internet company to infiltrate servers at trump tower and the white house. according to the filing, the tech executive tasked researchers to mine data to get a narrative tying candidate
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trump to russia. he referred to certain individuals at the clinton campaign. donald trump, the former president was out with a statement this weekend. he said what hillary clinton as the radical left democrats did with respect to spying on a president of the united states even while in office is a far bigger crime than watergate. many on capitol hill, republicans at this point agree with the president and speaking out on his behalf. >> we have to get to the truth, this is a threat to our democracy. it doesn't matter which campaign this is or which political party this is. this is so wrong. >> congressman mike turner made it clear if republicans take the majority in november, there will be public hearings on the findings of this durham probe. charles? >> charles: thanks. switching gears to inflation. take a look at this. >> the consequences of of that
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investment and infrastructure bill and the rest is at more people have jobs and therefore inflation goes up. with all due respect on wall street, for manchin, it's not right to say what we're doing is contributing to inflation because it's the opposite. >> charles: house speaker nancy pelosi defending the president's spending agenda and taking a shot at west virginia democrat joe manchin as he said this. >> we have inflation and we have basically an economy that is on fire. you don't throw more fuel on a fire that is already on fire causing the problems that we have. >> charles: we'll get to the mid-term impact in a moment. but first we go to brian brenberg, "the washington examiner". who understands this better? >> this is fascinating, charles.
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nancy pelosi just blamed workers, blamed job gains for inflation, which gets things exactly backward. the inflation is raging because we don't have enough supply. we haven't producing enough because people haven't been on the job. it's the government spending plus this diminished supply that give us inflation. she's entirely 100% backward. joe manchin has it right and thank goodness because he's keeping us from the kind of spending that would make this inflation problem much, much worse. >> charles: jonathan, it's well known you have folks like larry summers complaining about this. some well-known democratic economists. so where is this heading? doesn't look like either side will give. >> i think pelosi was right. what she was trying to say -- i think people more family with the economy know this. maybe the average person doesn't. what she was calling the philips curve that says when unemployment is low, it's going
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to make inflation rise. basically the reason bying that when people rush to work, it increases demand and they have to pay workers more, so prices increase. we know that the inflation is directly tied to the pandemic, directly tied to supply chain issues, which is why it's happening all over the world. i'm not sure what manchin is referring to. pelosi is right. she just needed to explain the philips curve to people. >> charles: and the philips curve goes to wages and spending. a lot of people saying listen, the 1.9 trillion was the sinker. that's what jason furman, a democratic economist, said. that is the one that tipped us over into this inflation spiral, which is a spiral so far that we haven't been able to get out of. >> yeah, you're looking at unemployment rates right now. it's about 4% nationally. in 2017 when donald trump was president, it was at about 4%. we didn't have this inflation
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problem. so to isolate that and say peopling getting back to work is causing inflation doesn't make any sense. politically democrats have been searching for some sort of scapegoat to blame inflation on and voters will buy. they haven't found one yet. first, they said it was a concession at the ports, a supply chain. you don't hear the democrats talking about that. and then they tried to blame it on price gauging. that's not the case. this is the latest excuse that pelosi is searching for because they don't want to talk about the real issue, the out of control spending. their puch to voters in november will depend on convincing americans that more spending is needed. >> charles: first it was a high class problem. that's been anything but. so let's switch gears to texas and the mid-terms. knock democratic congress woman alexandria ocasio-cortez in san antonio over the weekend for mid-term campaign rally and said
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this. >> texas turning blue is inevitable. inevitable. it will happen. the only question is when, texas. >> charles: sarah, texas turning blue, is that inevitable? >> yeah, democrats have been hoping that demographics is destiny for years now. as minorities grow that more democratic voters will grow as well and eradicate republicans by default. that's not the case. the original authors of that theory have now backed away from it as well. texas is a classic example of that. the last census showed the hispanic population in texas grew significantly over the last decade. the share of the democratic voters did not match that. hispanics are leaving the democratic party in droves.
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it's wishful thinking. you can look at the millions and millions of investments that they have put in to democratic candidates in the past only to get embarrassed in the election. >> charles: jonathan, that has been the miscalculation where hispanic voters are going to go, particularly those on border towns recently. they have voted overwhelmingly for republicans. >> well, i think the census data shows that texas' population is becoming diverse and actually the youth in the population is increasing. "the new york times," if i have it correctly, the victory margin was 600,000. so if they target two million young voters, they only need a fraction of those to flip texas. if you look at the national vote, increasing victories for democrats there, too. she's safe in her estimation that eventually it's inevitable.
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when is the question. >> charles: brian? >> the only thing that is more diverse is people being fed up with inflation and crime and not having a say in their kids education. things have changed. i don't know. people fleeing to texas now, the reason they're doing is because they're tired of the politics of new york and chicago and san francisco. they want out of that. they want to be in a place like texas where they're not beholden to aoc's policy preferences. that is the future of a place like texas. >> charles: thanks, panel. with more u.s. troops heading out, where is our involvement in this russia show down heading? pentagon spokesman john kirby will tell us. clients know we investments,r have their backs. (other money manager) how do your clients know that? (naj) because as a fiduciary, it's our responsibility to always put clients first. (other money manager) so you do it because you have to?
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wounded by gun fire in four states over just a 24-hour period. to william la jeunesse with the details. william? >> last year was the deadliest in three decades for police. 73 officers in the line of duty intentionally shot. the suspects opened fire on five cops that were responding to a domestic violence call. four injuries by shrapnel. >> this is one more example of the dangers officers have every day keeping us and our community safe. if i seem upset, i am. it's senseless and doesn't need to happen. >> also friday, maryland, a suspect shot. in new mexico, suspects rammed a
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state trooper and fired eight shots arresting the two individuals. the man said he shot because he didn't want to go back to prison. in philadelphia, a drug suspect shot a swat officer serving a warrant. all 13 officers involved in the crime spree will survive. yet, this is six cops killed in the line of duty this year alone. why the increase? after two years of anti-police rhetoric, analysts say some suspects feel justified in shooting cops. >> charles: thanks, william. our next guest claims president biden and vice president harris created this crime wave and now they must fix it. chris swecker joins us now, former fbi director. walk us through the reasoning of putting the blame on the white house and president biden and vice president harris. >> well, charles, the buck stops
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at the top. now, we started to see crime increases in 2020 because of the so-called summer of love lawlessness that took place and cops began to back off on doing their jobs because they were branded as racists and undercut. the biden administration continued that narrative as they took off. you have the vice president promoting a fund to bail out thinks criminals that committed 97 arsons of police calls and over 600 arsons including government buildings and county courthouses. that lawlessness and promoting that or at least undercutting the police officers is part of that atmosphere that has been created. it's something that you will hear across law enforcement ranks. >> charles: chris, part of this -- any progressive win can blow this president to prevailing wins, demagoguery,
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the guns, the cops trump, even the victims. why is this? is it because there's a tenuous hold on power in the democratic party and it's so fractured that the progressives get this much%? only recently has this been a national issue that we've seen some pushing back. before, they were all beating the drums of defunding the police and the police are guilty. >> yeah, it caught on for a while. the premise that police officers are racist and we got to take their funding away and they don't do the right thing out there is absolutely absurd. you know, we saw this in the 90s. entire neighborhoods will were ravaged, this will happen if you allow a small group of law breakers to just run rampant. if you allow lawlessness to prevail in the cities, they're
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going to take over the cities. >> martha: what would you expect? what could the president do, the vice president do? if they were to have an epiphany and say yeah, we went down a wrong path, we need to fix this now, what would they do? >> i mean, i chaired the governor's crime commission in north carolina during a time when they had what they called cops grants and burn grants. they were funded grants to states and cities to put police officers on the street. more police officers. so that's what they ought to do first. second, let's control the borders. we have criminals just flowing a cross. ms 13, human traffickers, drug cartels, fentanyl. responsible for twice the amount of deaths as covid. so let's get control of our cities and promote law enforcement, not undercut them. >> charles: for me, i was in one of those neighborhoods that you described in the 90s and 70s and
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80s. i don't know why we don't get our sentencing together. i've seen someone commit violent assault and out in a year. i've seen someone sell weed and they're out in a year. we need to put the fear of god in to hard criminals. there's no way they should walk among us. the problem is here is it's no bail or go to jail a short period of time, everybody is held hostage. thanks. a fantastic op-ed, by the way. >> thanks, charles. >> charles: we told you about this move expected. justin trudeau just announcing that he's invoking emergency powers to quell the truck protesters against covid restrictions. we'll see where it goes. those russian ukraine tensions still escalating. where is this heading? we'll get an update from john kirby on how the administration is preparing. , leveraging gold, a strategic and sustainable asset...
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>> charles: more u.s. troops headed to europe today. the pentagon sending 3,000 soldiers to poland ahead of an invasion to ukraine. charles watson is live from pope air field in fort bragg, north carolina. charles? >> the 3,000 additional troops
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deploying with the 82nd air force division out of fort bragg is a quite a group to see. they're saying good-byes before they take off in one of the large aircraft to assist in our nato allies in europe. we had an opportunity to speak to these brave young men and women. many are in their 20s. they said that they had a few days to prepare after getting notice that they were heading overseas. take a listen. >> we had a little bit of an idea. we didn't know exact times or dates. it was a moment's notice. everything changed quickly. >> yes, when you talk to these soldiers, you realize that this is not only tough on them but also on their families as well. just about everyone we spoke to said their loved ones are excited and nervous. emphasis on nervous as they get set to spend weeks, maybe even
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months apart. these soldiers could be very busy once they make to it europe. they're expected to spent most of their time in poland where they will support the needs of the u.s. and the allies there and that includes training soldiers and tensions wrap up. right now no timetable on when these soldiers are expected to return. but the bottom line is, these young folks are excited and ready to contribute to helping the u.s. and its allies in any way they can. >> russia tensions ney be reaching a boiling point. president zelensky has been said russia will attack wednesday in an address to the nation. what is the pentagon saying about this? john kirby joins me now. sir, thanks very much for joining us. the latest on where we are right now. obviously things are moving fast. but we just heard the latest drop deployment caught some of
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the soldiers off guard. >> right. we're proud of the 82nd airborne soldiers. we put them on a shorter tether to deploy a few weeks ago. you remember that. so they certainly knew as that soldier said that it was a possibility. but we believed it was the right thing to get them over there to join the 1700 of their fellow soldiers in that same unit. >> today the ukraine's president said in a series of announcements or posts that wednesday looks like it could be today. now one said he might have been joking. another one felt like he was serious about that. where are we with respect to the timeline, the potential invasion of the ukraine by russia? >> we said for quite some time now, charles, that it could be any day now. what i said earlier today is that he could move with little to no warning. so it could clearly be really
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any time now. i wouldn't get into specific predictions here. it would be difficult to put a date certain on it. we have been sharing our information and the intelligence we're getting on what we're seeing the russians do with our ukrainian partners, with ukrainian leaders so that they have the same information that we do. >> charles: there was a report out that secretary lavrov was committed to giving diplomacy a little bit more time. that report seems to have faded away as the day has gone on. any update on that? >> he said it publicly. we welcome those kind of sentiments. we've been saying the same thing. we believe there should be time and space for diplomacy to work. we still believe here at the pentagon that's the right way to deescalate this thing and find a path forward. so we welcome mr. lavrov's comments and we hope he's insear
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about that. the problem is that what they say and what they do are not exactly the same. we continue to see him add to his forces along the border with ukraine even over the course of the last 48 hours. he's increased his military capability should he want to invade ukraine again. >> charles: to that point, if russia invades ukraine, what would the u.s. response be? is there a scenario that our troops would be deployed to the ukraine? >> the president has been crystal clear that the u.s. troops will not be fighting in ukraine. he's been crystal clear that should there be another incursion by russia forces that they will be met with swift consequences, mostly of a economic nature. he has been clear about the fact that we'll be willing to put in place economic measures of a severity that we have not done before. it won't just be the united states. other nations -- we have indications that they will try the hold russia accountable
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through economic measures as well. this won't go well for mr. putin should he decide to invaid again. the other thing is what he's seeing is a more unified west and nato. what he said he didn't want to see. which is a strong nato on his western flank. all of these actions, all of this uncertainty has unified the alliance. >> charles: what have the nato response forces activated? >> that's a north atlantic council decision. if it's activated, it's a force of 40,000 members. we have a contribution to that in the united states. as you know, weeks ago, secretary austin put 8,500 troops on a heightened alert posture. they're dedicated to the response force. so if it's activated, the united states contribution to the nato readiness force will be ready to
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go. >> charles: speaking of defense secretary austin, i understand he is set to travel to europe tomorrow where he will visit troops and meeting with nato allies. what is the message that he will convey on this trip? >> the biggest message in brussels and poland and lithuania is that the united states takes our commitment to nato very seriously. specifically the article 5 collective defense requirement. it's a serious requirement. it's a big commitment inside the alliance and the united states will take it seriously. >> charles: a lot has been made of course about the sanctions, possible sanctions should that go before or presumably after. a centerpiece of that is the nord stream 2 pipeline. some concern in america by some lawmakers that maybe germany will not be willing to cut off the pipeline. it's still winter. it would be a major -- russia is a major source of natural gas to them anyway. are you assured or confident
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that germany would go with president biden who on february 7 made the promise that the pipeline would be shut? >> i would put you back to what the president said. should there be another invasion, nord stream 2 will not go forward. he had good discussions with chancellor scholz about this at the white house. it will not go forward. look, we all recognize that there's a lot at play here. but the president was again very clear. >> martha: john, also, an emerging narrative, maybe this will be a minor incursion. not to make light of the comment that was made not long ago by president by den but certainly to occupied a nation one the size of ukraine is not easy. they have 260,000 soldiers and other people willing to fight. there could be a strategic culling out of certain land
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there unlike crimea. if that were the plan, is there anything we could do about it? ultimately there was nothing that we could do about crimea. >> we're not putting american troops on the ground. the president is clear about that it's unclear what mr. putin will do. certainly with the forces that he has arrayed on that border and there's a lot of them, well north of 100,000 and they keep adding to it every day and increasing their capabilities, they have a lot of options available to them. they could go in a large conventional way and try to surround kiev. something more small like you suggested. maybe another action in the donbas or down south. they could do all of it together. it's just not exactly clear what he's going to do. the president has been clear, any incursion, no matter what the size, any incursion in ukraine will trigger economic consequences. >> charles: are you worried about a russian cyber attack on
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america here? >> we're watching what the russians are capable in cyber operations. we take the resilience and the security of our own infrastructure, cyber infrastructure very seriously. you know, here at the pentagon, our networks get attacked every day. it's something that we're focused on and watching for and we'll be mindful of that going forward. it's certainly not from your last question, we talked about his options, certainly one of the options available to him as well inside ukraine is to start this off with a cyber offensive operation. we'll be watching for that. >> charles: john, i have 20 seconds. there's a report -- reports that president xi gave a tacit for this ovation to happen during the olympics. how are you worried are you about this relationship be russia and china? >> we don't think they're strong, strong allies.
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they don't always play well together. the comment by xi, the statement that they issued in february was sort of tacit approval for russia aggression against ukraine. as i said earlier in the day, that is deeply alarming. >> charles: john kirby, thanks for being -- for your time and the questions and answers. we appreciate it. folks, that's all the time i have for today. catch me on fox business today. "the five" starts now. >> hello, everyone, i'm judged and impure along with harold ford, jr., jesse watters, dana perino, and yes, greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ big time hollywood celebs making a mockery of covid roles with the super bowl, frolicking around the big game mask list without tear in the world while students in the same state are forced to cover

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