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sunday this is life, liberty and levin. we have a lot of states in this country. i just want to remind everyone we have more than one governor in america. there's a big state called florida that has an awful lot of people. it has a diverse population, a lot of senior citizens in that state two. i wanted to get with my friend, governor ron desantis to see how they are managing the virus and their economy and that state.
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governor, how are you. >> i'm doing great. we are working very hard as you are and others are, but we feel like we are making good progress. >> tell us what you are doing in your state to address the virus, but not to destroy your economy, and what kind of press you are getting while were at it. >> we have had, from the very beginning, really three main aspects to our strategy. before we knew a lot about the virus, the one thing we did know was that it tended to attack senior citizens and people with significant underlying conditions overwhelmingly in terms of fatality and hospitalizations. one of our goal was to protect senior citizens in florida and we did a lot of things early such as walking down nursing homes. we have the staff in nursing homes wearing masks if they
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interact with the resident we did very on advise people 65 and up and people with underlying conditions to stay home and avoid crowds as much as possible, and now we been doing things like increasing home delivery of meals for seniors so they don't have to go into a crowded grocery store. that has been a key portion of the strategy. this is not an indiscriminate virus. it's a virus that really does tend to hit people in those age groups, and people with the significant condition. the other thing we needed to do was expand testing. when this all started, people were being tested if they had been to china, well i think we know now that this came in from other places besides china. china being one of them, so now in florida we've done the second most test of any state in the country where i think close to 160,000 have been completed. that is one. roughly every hundred 55 floridians, south korea had been viewed as the gold standard, they did one test. every 200 south koreans, we believe testing is good
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because obviously people have symptoms and they want to know if they have the spirit unfortunately in this part of the state 90 - 95% of the test. [inaudible] it gives us data to base decisions on. we need to know how this virus is circulating in various parts of the state and there some parts additives and some parts where it's a little bit different. the third and final part of this was we wanted to protect the health care workers and the healthcare system. remember when people were talking about flattening the curve, it was basically a theory that infections will happen but if you can spread them out then the healthcare system can cope with that. we have worked with hospitals to make sure space would be available and then we've set up contingency plans like field hospitals in some of our populated areas where we could have an overflow, florida has about 43% of its hospital beds are vacant and open. miami-dade and broward where the bulk of the infections but in florida i think miami has
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between 40 and 44% vacant beds and i think broward is about 45%. put that in perspective, before the coronavirus really started circulating in florida or throughout the country, at the end of february miami-dade vacancy and hospitals was only 12% and broward was 12%. we have dramatically increased the ability of hospitals to increase any potential search. we haven't seen it, hopefully we don't but you have to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. >> this is very interesting to me. mark: we find out in new york that governor cuomo overstated the need for beds and ventilators, could be that the models in the state or the models of the federal government had been inaccurate. how many people, as far as you know, how many citizens of florida had the coronavirus? do you know? based on the test. >> so based on the testing, we have tested probably hundred
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60000 and the positive cases are probably about 16000, but i think one of the things we are also doing in florida is we have ordered a number of those serological tests. we will start testing for the antibodies and i know stanford university is doing a very important study. you see different studies done overseas, and i think the consensus seems to be emerging that whoever tests positive for it is probably just a small fraction of those who have actually had it because for people in the younger age groups, people who don't have significant underlying conditions, this could be something that is relatively mild symptoms and so if you're somebody in florida that had this in mid february, most people probably didn't rush to the doctor at that point. having the antibody test will be able to help us determine how widespread has this been, and of course that will then inform what we do going
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forward because the more widespread it is, then i think the less efficacy some of the lockdown policies will ultimately have. mark: do you have more hospital bed vacancies now than you did before the virus? what accounts for that? >> there's a couple things we did. one of the things i did was we stopped the elective surgeries and part of the reason was we wanted to make sure there was enough hospital beds, part of the reason quite frankly was use ppe when you're doing those and obviously there's been a big crush on ppe so we wanted to make sure healthcare workers had adequate ppe to deal with the coronavirus, and i also think part of it is i think people are now less likely to want to go in if they have something unrelated to coronavirus because i think there is a fear that they go to the hospital, maybe they would be exposed to it or stay home so i think there has been
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effects of the fight against coronavirus that a lot of people aren't talking about, one other effect that i think you are starting to see is because the beds, the hospitals are relatively fully vacant, you are starting to see staff who don't deal with coronavirus be furloughed and you're starting to see some effect on the other side so i have been talking with folks in florida, we are definitely going to look at this elective surgery prohibition because if we are going to have enough beds and everybody's confident of that, and i think most people do think were in good shape now, i certainly want people to go in and get this procedure. obviously we don't want to see people put out of work. mark: florida is a big state with a lot of counties, different populations, metropolitan area, rural areas and so forth. as governor, do you treat all the counties the same in that sense? so when you're looking at a pandemic like this or do you
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try to dress each county for what they are and what they represent and the kind of businesses in each county. >> look, i think were sold verse were like five states into one that a tailored approach is really what you need for something like this. if you look at how it's involved in florida, 60% of our cases are in the three big southeastern counties. that makes sense because obviously there relatively densely populated. you have a lot of travel internationally into that part of florida and you also have a lot of travel back and forth from new york city. so we've seen that, even after the new yorkers were told to stay at home they started coming down here and we obviously had to take action on that. that is a little bit different then say northwest florida, a little bit different than parts of central florida, northeast florida so some of the things that have been done in southeast florida, we've worked with all those counties. you have seen really strong restrictions weeks ago there, but in some other parts of florida where the caseload is
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much lower, you are still doing things to be able to contain the virus. we have an integrated public health system so the county health departments are integrated with the state, and when you have an infectious disease in a place where you may have 20 cases in accounting of 150,000, the way to contain that that's most effective is to isolate the people that have the disease and then trace their contacts and then see who may have symptoms and that really has worked to help slow the spread. they have been doing the contracting throughout the state. we still have a lot of professionals who do a really good job at it.
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mark: when we come back i want to ask you two questions. how is your cooperation coordination with the white house and the media. the media nationwide is pushing for national shutdowns. it is rejecting what are positive therapies and it has really politicize this in a really big way. we'll be right back. fe drivers ! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! he's here. he's right here. - hi! - hi. hey! - that's totally him. - it's him! that's totally the guy. safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today. the census counts us all. and an accurate count helps inform
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mark: first of all, how is your coordination with the white house and federal officials and so forth? >> it's been fantastic. i think the president has been outstanding through all this. the vice president has been outstanding. members of the coronavirus task force, very responsive and jared kushner has been doing a great job. we really want to commend them for being forward thinking, they're pressing the envelope and they've been very responsive. were working on some of the stuff at the army corps. we had planned to have this access hospital space, we are still going through with those
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plans so there helping put in 450 beds at the miami beach convention center right now and i think the army has been absolutely fantastic through all of the. >> to keep in touch time to time with the president himself. >> absolutely. one of the things i did was when this hydroxychloroquine started, i started asking physicians in florida and they said if you get it early we do think it's been beneficial. someone's really on death's doorstep and you give it to them, that's not going to reverse the effect at that point so what they started to do was, as patients come in right at the beginning when they test positive they would give them the hydroxychloroquine, the z pack and i think they're cautiously optimistic. obviously he was attacked in the press for that for that, but my view was of this is even possible, let's get this. we had a company send a bunch down but then they were going to send us a shipment but it
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was done in india and they had decided to lock down the hydroxychloroquine so i called the president said if we can have a little more of this, he talked to modi immediately and sabrina lets him go to the united states. now we have more coming from teva we have a million from the pharmaceuticals being distributed so that is going to be available to people in florida's hospitals, and here's the thing, this idea that we wait for these clinical trials, people's lives are at stake now. a vivid physician thanks this is something that's going to make an impact then we have got to support that. >> i haven't heard of physician or a public policy expert, federal or otherwise with this virus saying we should wait for trials. anymore than i've heard people who are employed talk about we ought to just shut down the whole country and take the summer off and hope that
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things work. i hear people who are healthy and have jobs telling people who aren't healthy and don't have jobs just to hang on for another six months or three months and everything will be fine. you have been a little cautious using the iron fist of government. you seem to have been trying to study the models and the signs in your health experts seem to have handled this very, very well. for this the national media and other media, regional and in the state have attacked you for not doing enough fastness like shutting down the state of florida. what you have to say about that. >> a lot about based on partisanship and political angles but you look at this press briefing that's all politics trying to damage the president. obviously that filters down to florida. i don't have time for any of that. we have to do what's right. what i've done through all
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this is i was reminded of eisenhower's farewell address. everybody remembers him talking about the military industrial complex of warning about that but if you read further down he talks about how with scientists and technological innovation there was a danger that public policy would be hijacked by a technological elite. he said you obviously welcome it, you have to respect it but the job of a leader is to emphasize that with other factors in society. that's what i've tried to do. if somebody put the model on my desk, of course i'd consider it but i'd ask questions about what assumptions went into that. how is this different than what happened in italy or what's happening in new york or washington state. you have to ask tough questions. you can't just accept any one from any quarter and one of the things i did as i studied a lot of responses from pandemics in the 20th century, 1918, 1957 and the fact of the matter is some of
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things being done in this country now have never been done in modern american society. so some of those facts were unknowable. i was looking at that saying if you do something what is the effect on public health and society, what is the effect on somebody who may be thrown out of their job. what about their health? [inaudible] obviously the media, that wasn't what they wanted, they wanted a total shutdown of everything in the u.s., but i think the actions we took were very swift and decisive. it has been based off looking at all the factors in society, and i'm very concerned about you look at these massive unemployment claims that are being filed right now. i know they did a big stimulus bill, but when i hear people say the u.s. citizens are going to be locked in for 18
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months, i view that as catastrophic. i don't think that's sustainable at all, and i think we need to be thinking, and we are thinking about how do you have society function in a way that you can still fight this virus effectively. i actually think some of the things that have been done in terms of some of these restrictions may very well prove to have been counterproductive. for example when you shut off all aspects of society and people are packing into a grocery store, some of the few places they have, those areas and up much more crowded than they would be in normalcy. some of these contacts are being increased unwittingly. i think radically about those, think about how people respond to some of that and understand that there are whole different factors that need to be considered when you're making these decisions. mark: to circle back a little bit, one of the things that concerns me when much is said and done and we look back and studies come in and we have
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real data as the number of people who will have perished from these other morbidities, whether it's diabetes or heart disease or cancer because they didn't come into the hospitals, because they didn't do elective surgery, because we have certain public policy health experts who are myopically focused on one thing, the virus but it's a very serious matter. i don't downplay, you don't downplay. there are 650,000 people a year to heart disease and cancer. a hundred 60000 people year to alzheimer's, 50000 people year to suicide, it goes on and on. my concern is you're going to see a jump in those numbers unless of course everything that's being coded in the federal statistical database that relates to coronavirus is said to be as a result of the coronavirus. we are starting to see that, the doctor pretty much said that's how they are recording
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streaming service. services were held at a nearly empty house in washington d.c. louisiana's cleaning up after strong winds swept through the city. the storm damage to - 300 homes around the city. had they caused an estimated $30 million in damage. no one was killed but there has been one fatality in mississippi. now back to life, liberty and levin. welcome back. governor, you made a decision not too long ago that you were going to protect the citizens of your state, and among other
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things you're going to do is people who come in from new york, new york city in particular, a hotspot, jersey, and louisiana that your law enforcement folks and state police would have the ability to arbitrarily stop and check and self quarantine. explain that. >> from the beginning of that when people would come in from china, our health department throughout the country would have them self isolate. from italy early on, same deal because those were considered hotspots. new york city is a greater hotspot than any of those places by far and so what we saw was when the governor there did the shelter in place order, you started to see a massive increase in flight from all the new york city airports to florida. the week before this shelter in place there were about 20 flights a day. after the shelter and place it got up to 200 flights a day into the state of florida. this is thousands and
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thousands of people from hotspot in the world and obviously i view that as problematic so what we were able to do was set up a system where people would come in, we would get their information, tell them the instructions in florida are to self isolate for 14 days so we've done that with, i think over 15000 travelers over the past two weeks. i think it's been effective but i think the danger is you have one super spreader that comes down and they start interacting with people in florida and all the sudden you could have a cluster or an outbreak. i think that was the appropriate thing to do. here's the thing, it ain't about anything against new york. se, if the outbreak was in omaha nebraska and they have 40% of their people testing positive than we would've done the same thing for omaha nebraska which is basically a factual determination about where this virus was circulating most significantly throughout the country. >> if somebody comes in from new york or one of these other places and they have the virus
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, you didn't put them on a plane and send them back, they were treated and quarantined and so forth and so on. >> absolutely. obviously, once i did that and the white house and the cdc put out guidance recommending that no one do nonessential travel out of new york city, i think hopefully that had an effect but i was also thinking about it mark, and i'm thinking you have some of these voices in the media that they really just want to make sure every person in south dakota or any of these places are sheltering in their home. that something that so important to them but yet if you're in one of these hotspots in the new york city area, you can just get on a plane and fly wherever the hell you want to do, i don't see the same level of concern about that even though the flight or implemen infinitely more problematic than whatever south dakota is doing. they are socially distant by nature. they can't help but be that. you have the media really fixating on things like that
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which i think are red herring, but not really wanting to address the fact that not only in new york city is it circulating, they are still doing things like mass transit, riding the subway so there's behavior going on that's likely continuing the transmission so to take that and feed that into other parts of the country is obsolete not good public health strategy. >> governor of florida, i want to thank you. i think what you've done in florida is very unique and very, very important. i think you have tried to use the data as best you can to address the specific areas of concern while trying to allow other people to continue to pursue their businesses and so forth. i think it's a national example and i want to thank you again, and keep up the good work. mark: we'll be right back
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welcome back america, have a great guest coming up. the former mr. conservatives of the u.s. senate responsible for bringing in so many conservatives of the united states senate. but before i do, this coronavirus does not have the capacity to destroy this country. we will defeat it. we have the capacity to destroy ourselves however. this is what i want to talk about in this half of the program.
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inflation will destroy this country the way it's destroyed other countries and will turn it into a third world country. you can see the old black-and-white movies what happened in south and central america has over the years, when you try to spend your way into prosperity by creating money. it doesn't matter if it's at 0% interest. we are not paying it back. it's too big. trillions and trillions of dollars. it is really so absurd and so grotesque that there really is not a forceful voice in any party in washington d.c. to oppose bowsprit so i thought i'd bring in some extra help to try to remind us what inflation is like. a late great doctor milton freedman. many of us may remember him, some of you don't. it's worth listening to him on the topic of inflation. go. >> in a recent interview of u.s. and world report,
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secretary-treasurer blumenthal blamed our current rising inflation in large part on our foreign trade and unions. he did however say that the government was little to blame. would you like to comment on that. >> unfortunately it is one of the defects of our political system that we always put our secretary of the treasury and other high officials into a position in which they make public statements there are almost, what's the word i want to use, i want to use a polite word, equivocate, they know as well as you and i that inflation does not come from trade unions. that doesn't mean they aren't. [inaudible] but they don't produce inflation for one simple reason. they do not own a printing
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press from which you can turn out green pieces of paper. the only such printing presses in the modern age we do it in a more sophisticated way, we use bookkeepers and accountants and computers, but it comes down to the same thing, the inflation is made in washington because only washington can create money. any other attribution to other groups of inflation is wrong. consumers don't produce it, producers don't reduce it, trade union doesn't produce it while imports don't reduce it, what produces it is too much government bending and too much government creation of money and nothing else. [applause] before you clap, let me point out that the reason why we have too much printing
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spending and printing of money is because you people want. you and i paired were citizens, we run this country, if congress has been voting higher and higher spending, why? because it has been politically profitable for them to do it. if they had been voting higher spending and not voting higher taxes to pay for it, why? because it's been politically profitable to do it. we would all like to get something for nothing and so the political process has been leading to congress increasing spending, not increasing taxes and financing the difference by the hidden tax of inflation. [inaudible] let's not blame the others. the problem that famous statement of the cartoonist, we have met the enemy. if we followed policies at home which would eliminate inflation and provide the basis for a sound and healthy
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economic growth, the price of the dollar and forwarding exchange markets would take care of itself. if we follow policy, as we have been, of steadily rising inflation or un- steadily rising inflation, well then of course the dollars going to become worth less at home and it will be worth less abroad than it otherwise would be. >> the late great milton freedman. chairman of the partnership, two-point question for you. you know, doctor county, i have great admiration. they have a myopic view of the world. there is a scientific and medical, the but the world is not just scientific and medical, as important as that is. they haven't been 100% right on their models and their data. with that aside, society is a
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big place. it's a complex place. it's number one. number two, we had the potential here of taking a disastrous economic situation and pushing it out for decades. what is your response to this. >> mark i couldn't agree more. as we talked about last week on the radio, my concern here is not just for the virus. we will have health issues like this that come up, but all the threats have been greatly exaggerated to this point. if you listen between the line of what these doctors are saying, most of the people dying with coronavirus have code morbidity in other words they died of something else in coronavirus complicated it. i don't want to understate something that is a problem but to destroy our economy and way of life, the two things concern me is how quickly the citizens have been willing to give up their freedoms of all kinds, and how little
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attention people in congress have paid to the trillions of dollars and doing more and more printing that they think will save our country for generations. like you started our show with, this virus can hurt our country but we can destroy ourselves in the way we respond to it. i'll just say one other thing because i've seen the government when it was the financial crisis of oh eight, the crisis of climate change and existential threat. what we have here is just a continuous effort to use different crisis, whether they're real or manufactured to continue to grow government, spend money and take our freedoms away. mark: what you make of this argument, now is the time to do this. we need infrastructure, we have 0% interest, we have to help this community, that community and so forth. what you make of the argument that this is a stimulus bill
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but no no it's a relief bill, and one week after they past the greatest spending bill in history, there back at it and they wanted pass another bill, maybe half a trillion and then will get to $2 trillion on infrastructure, what is all that about? >> i think the democrats on the left and even some republicans think this is the time to just use the prices to get all the money they want for other things, but we don't have the money and were going to have to print it and it's not free. were going to pay a heavy price for it so i'm greatly concerned at how people are talking about the cost of things. i think the only stimulus we should have now mark, is a get back to work strategy, and i've been talking to folks around the president and the white house, i'm convinced they will begin to lead and put out the criteria for getting america back to work
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because we can't print enough money to keep an idol america going and that's what were trying to do right now. mark: i've set it right now, printing, if printing money worked. [inaudible] venezuela would be the richest country on the face of the earth as we speak today. of course come up part of the problem is the panic. the media pushing this, when you dare to question any of this, and i think you're exactly right. the way to get jobs is to bring jobs back and i want to pursue this further with you. is it possible to address this virus and to open up the economy? that's the big question when we return. we'll be righty, back. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%.
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mark: welcome back jim, can we mitigate, fight this virus while opening up the economy? it seems like they're doing it all over the country. grocery stores, the post office, farmers, ups, fedex, 711, it seems to me people know how to do this if we give them an opportunity to do it, our businesses are very, very creative rather than these governors putting the boot on
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the throat across the state. >> the governor had this right, very few of the states or cities like new york city where people live on top of each other in mass transit, most areas of the country we have natural separation and we can go back to work in factories and use social distancing and masks and wash our hands, but there are only a few places in the country right now where you have a heavy infection rate, and there's no reason that 40 or 45 states cannot begin to process very quickly to get back to work, but this is not going to happen if we continue to extend unemployment benefits and people are being paid more not to work than they were when they were working, and that's what's happening right now. so i think we need to get america back to work, i think you will see the president become very aggressive with this next week, putting out
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the guidelines of how states can begin to do this, but it makes no sense to think of america as new york city because the hospitals aren't crowded here in south carolina or most other states, we could get back to work, except they put such a stigma on even going outside, i think employers are afraid to open businesses. mark: i'm a little confused by the schizophrenia i've seen in washington d.c. on one hand we have the secretary of treasury saying don't worry $6 trillion available to give out loans, he's talking about the fed and so forth, and some scholars have said this is the first time in american history that the federal government has had such an enormous power over the capital markets that effectively they have nationalized the capital, the private sector capital market. that's number one. number two, putting people back to work, the private sector is going to put people back to work. massive inflationary deficit spending is going to put people out of work one day, and number three, we are hearing about infrastructure
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for roads at a time when we just spent two-point to trillion dollars on other things here. i'm concerned that there's so much going on that we finally get some people back to work a year or two down the road and the wind up not having work. what do you think about that. >> mark, what concerns me and what concern every american is that they're not talking about sacrificing or cutting spending in any other area. instead they're adding spending to the kennedy center, two public broadcasting, to all these other things which shows a complete disregard for this limited resources. when you've got the secretary of the treasury talking about working to do this with more printed money and the only reason we have a low interest rate is our federal reserve is buying them and rebating all the interest they paid. no one else is going to buy
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our debt, at least not the quantity that were putting out so we are in that banana republic mode that you talk about where we are buying our own debt in this nation, but worse than that were talking about spending trillions more on things that we don't have to do right now. mark: and now we have governors like while mousing look, our budget is shot to hell and we expect the federal government to subsidize us. we expect the federal government to give us ventilators, he didn't need as many as he said, he didn't need as many beds as he said, he didn't prepare for beds, he didn't buy ventilators, he bought sewer panels instead, now they're saying the federal government has to make up their debt, washington saying you know what, maybe we should do this. isn't the problem that there's no downside for contemporary politicians to spend like santa claus, to spend like there's no tomorrow because they're not going to be held accountable, somebody in the future is going to be held to account and our children and
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grandchildren are going to unfortunately have to deal with what were creating today. >> milton freedman had it right when he said it's really our fault because it's politically profitable to keep spending money, giving things away, and a lot of these states were bankrupt before the coronavirus. new york, illinois, california are close to bankruptcy anyways with their level of debt and they will use this as an excuse to get bailed out, their pension plans bailed out, and they're just going to roll the printing presses, and the only way to stop this is for your listeners, for those of us who are working inside congress to try to get a few people to take a stand here and talk some sense, but it's like you're the pooper at the party if you say we can't keep spending money. >> we'll be right back.
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♪ ♪ back to jim. what is the best way to get our fellow americans back to work, to get businesses back into business and to protect the jobs in the businesses we have now. >> it's to phase out the incentives not to work, not to open a new business, and that's what the last stimulus did. paid people not to work and paid businesses not to be open. the president needs to lead by
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encouraging folks to get back to work. if they have another stimulus it should just be reduction of taxes and something that like a payroll tax reduction that reduces taxes for people that are working. if we don't do that, we are going to have a lot of people who sit on the sidelines and collect unemployment an and the campaign in november will be about extending unemployment benefits. the governors and ceos needed say let's do it. >> let me put it to you this way america, look around you. you still go to the grocery store, food on the shelf, people are producing food, the supply lines are working, the delivery services are working, 711 is working, your large warehouse stores are working, how are they doing because americans are innovative. businessmen and businesswomen are innovative. stop the washington d.c d.c.
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thing. get back to the america thing. all the people out there who make this country work. they are the ones from whom we need input. enough of the technocrats and the so-called experts. jim i want to thank you and i will see you next time on life, liberty and levin. happy easter welcome to "the next revolution". this is home of positive populism pro-work, pro-family, pro-community, and especially pro-america. tonight on this very special day and year i want to bring you hope. in a moment you'll meet some of the worlds top scientists and entrepreneurs. here with them more sustainable antivirus plan that will enable us to exit this shutdown safely but soon. joining us to react will be our good friends lisa booth, charlie kirk and raymond. of course, the virus

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