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documents, these transcripts were never included in the documentation the fbi provided to the foreign intelligence surveillance court. when they went after carter page. >> sean: we've got to go, but this is huge, we will have more. it's all falling apart. let not your heart be troubled, laura, rate interview with the attorney general. >> laura: thank you. he is so wise and of course because he is the attorney general and the trump administration he's trashed relentlessly. he could just -- could shower people with compliments and they were trashing. >> sean: i don't know. i think you and i get trashed more than him, i'm just guessi guessing. >> laura: a tiny bit, may be. sara carter, always blows me away. i love that segment. we are going to learn a lot more. >> sean: it's all falling apart, everything we talked about. i know we've been busy with the corona but this is all coming back now in a big way. >> laura: another reason we have to heal the country, get rid of this virus, get back to
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work and expose what was done to this administration and this president at the hands of these outrages, so fantastic job as always. >> sean: great show, thanks, laura. >> laura: i'm laura ingraham, this is the ingraham angle from another busy washington night. this just happened. cdc director, you know, the agency that kind of screwed up testing for about six weeks in the united states, he was on cnn tonight essentially dismissing trashing a backhanded slap and hydroxychloroquine despite all of its success stories. unbelievable. if it was actually a government agency, real agency, he probably would be fired for that, but my medicine cabinet sets the record straight. and democrats want to use the pandemic to totally restructure voting in the united states. congressman matt gaetz and chris hahn are here to debate and is biometric tracking relieving answer to containing and defeating the coronavirus?
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how we can reopen our government, our country. what does it mean for your privacy? victor davis hanson will explain it all. plus, we're going to show you part two, sean just referenced it of my exclusive interview with attorney general bill barr. he reveals what he really thinks about trump's firing of that intel inspector general and about john durham's investigation. but first, this is america and shut down day 24. some important developments. and some emails that i must share with you. as new york remains the covid cauldron of america, 799 more folks in new york died yesterday, bringing the state total to a staggering 7,067. now, that's 43% of all american fatalities, to get your mind wrapped around that. the public hospitals especially remain battlegrounds, but the state overall continues to make some progress against the virus.
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>> we had 200 net increase in hospitalizations, which you can see is the lowest number we've had this nightmare started. a change in icu admissions is the lowest number we've had since march 19th or so. the number of intimations is down. >> laura: that's all good new news. new york city is stretched and hurting, the system, the health care system, what we were worried about, it's going to bend, but it's not going to break, thank goodness, it's not going to collapse. with this in mind, it is truly shocking to see how far off almost every model was that informed the draconian response of a nationwide shutdown, a one-size-fits-all kind of shutdown although the president gave the states some flexibility, which is really smart. first, new york covid bid projections were totally wrong. look at this graph. the purple dotted line is where
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we are today, about 18,000 beds needed. the red line is the ih and the model by bill gates. the greenline is columbia university's estimate. look at where that was. another was from the mckenzie group. look at that dotted line below, that is where we actually are. this is great news but these estimates were off by a factor of 6! the high-end mortality predictions is even worse and as we've spoken about before, that was off by a factor of 33. that's not that graph, it's a different one. new orleans is going through a very tough time, but things are even looking up there. >> we do believe we are beginning to see the flattening of the curve, but we then have to come down on the other side and we know the cases can spike. we will be easing back towards life as we lived it before covid-19. >> laura: well, everyone
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norman's looking forward to th that. philadelphia is showing modest signs of new cases leveling off as well. that's good news. so they say that it's the social distancing that's flattening the curve, but it's also causing another horrific decline, the ongoing isolation, especially among our elderly, is taking its toll. alexandra saw her father in early march, the coronavirus was in the early smoldering stage of its wildfire spread across the country. soon afterwards, his nursing home in the suburbs of washington, d.c., was closed to visitors. not long after that her father, dana, 75, was confined to his room along with all other residents. he sleeps probably 18 hours a day. i call him every day when i'm able, she said. but he doesn't always pick up. since he has parkinson's disease and now no access to physical or
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speech therapy, it's increasingly difficult to understand him. and she worries that ongoing isolation could accelerate his decline. that's heartbreaking. we have to bring me stories to light as well. i also got this text from a friend who runs a landscape design firm in south florida. he said this paycheck protection plan is a mess. i know a large cross-section of small business owners across the country in many different fields and with a variety of banks. no one i know seen a dime, we're just dying out here, we just got two-thirds of our staff and put the rest on halfpenny. nothing is moving on by the time sba loans are processed we will all be in 2021. what pelosi did today is unbelievably dispiriting. a small business owner's lives matter. cannot wait until things are back to normal. i'll say. so what did pelosi do today? what is he talking about? she made it clear -- i know this is harsh to say but it seems
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like democrats and congress almost want as many americans out of work on election day as possible. schumer and pelosi held up a new aid package for small business because it doesn't contain all the left-wing goodies they want. all the g.o.p. wanted to do was literally change one number. at the $250 billion in the stimulus for small business would become 600 billion. add another 250 -- i think it was at 350, it would become 600 billion. what they are saying, in other words, the democrats, is our agenda is more important than your survival, the survival of firms like the one i just referenced. plus, the unelected medical bureaucrats, what are they keep doing? they keep moving the goal posts for when they think the economy can reopen. trump was right a month ago when he said this. >> don't forget, the doctors -- if it were up to the doctors they may say let's keep it
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shutdown, let's shutdown the entire world, let's keep it shut for the couple of years. >> laura: dr. fauci himself has dismissed as anecdotal, cheap, scalable, decades-old therapies that are already vital weapons in the battle against covid-19. they show real promise in keeping people not just out of the icu, but out of the hospital altogether, just like the cdc director, they are like this on the issue. on this subject, big news today, french president emmanuel macron made a surprise trip to marseille today to the infectious disease institute -- a renowned epidemiologist. he was handed the results of a follow-up study of more than 1,061 covid patients that were put on a regimen of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin. the pulmonary report contains some very good news. the results are still being analyzed, but the healing was achieved in 973 of the patients
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in ten days. for an efficacy rate of 91%. but what about the critics who cited possible serious complications of these drugs? well, the professor found zero cardiac complications in any of his subjects. america has some clinical trials of its own going on right now, but this french data confirms what our own dr. stephen smith, he'll be on in a few moments, found in his infectious disease practice as well. this is good news, and thank the good lord we have a president who recognizes the importance of advancing these medical solutions as fast and as safely as possible. a stark reminder of how far we have fallen because of this virus and of course the shutdown. in early february we had long lines to get into clubs and neighborhood hot spots. but in early april americans are
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now lining up for basic necessities. >> over 1200 cars lined up at the stadium in san diego over the weekend. >> when they see that box of food coming into the cars, some of them smile and some of them cry. >> laura: is the president said, the shutdown, what it's doing, what it's obviously done to the income earning potential of people, we have record numbers of people at food banks, even in boston, a friend of mine told me the other day, he couldn't believe what he saw. the president said the state that we are in, this is like suspended state of animation, is unnatural. it cannot continue indefinitely. certainly can continue much longer. we have to adapt to new information, new data and when the projections are off, as they've been off, we demonstrated, actually almost for two weeks now, our response to that crisis has to be smartly adjusted and also safely. some new realities, new
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protocols, a phased in reopening. measures that work for new york where things are still very tough might not be necessary in nebraska. that's okay. but unless somehow money really just does grow on trees, we need a reopening soon, a date certain where we can continue protecting the most vulnerable and at the same time reclaim our lives and our god-given freedom. those are my thoughts at the end of day 24, america is shut down. my next guest is a recovered coronavirus patient who says his life was saved by the drug hydroxychloroquine, which is why -- first learned about apparently right here on the ingraham angle. billy joins me now. billy, tell me about what happened, what your wife saw and what happened to you. >> good evening, laura, thank you for having me on the
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show. so on march 16th, my wife was watching your show, i was already in quarantine, i had started showing symptoms exactly one month ago today and she saw the story on your show about the hydroxychloroquine. she took a shot of it on her phone and sent me a text while i was on the other side of the house and said, you know, here's a medication, it looks like it really works, you have to tell the doctor, your doctor, to get this prescription for you. at the time my fever was going up and down so i didn't get it right away but a few days later i got very bad symptoms and i had a very bad upper respiratory issues and at that point in time i got my doctor to prescribe the medication. i was in touch with my doctor every day. he was monitoring my symptoms but my symptoms only started to -- my doctor at that point prescribed the medication. at the day after that i wound up going into hackensack medical
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center -- i had a chest x-ray, i had bilateral pneumonia. i was admitted and at that point in time i also wound up receiving the azithromycin through iv, 48 hours after that, i was on the mend after ten days of having this terrible virus. >> laura: that picture that she sent you was actually -- i couldn't really see it because it's small, but that was a screenshot -- was that a screenshot of our show? it is! i thought they were joking with me when i said it was a screenshot. that's actually of our show. >> yes, she took a picture of your show with her phone and sent it to me on my phone so that i could see it. >> laura: okay, now i'm putting two and two together. it takes me a little while, we've been shut in for a long time here, billy. so [inaudible]
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were bad. you went in, you went on a hydroxy, how long were you on it for? >> i was on it for five days total, 15 pills. >> laura: so when you hear the cdc director tonight just basically giving it a backhand saying we don't have the full clinical testing at and -- she was just very -- just very dismissive of the drug. what are your thoughts? >> i strongly disagree. this is why i'm here, i'm trying to get my story out. i firmly believe that just by timing, which is everything, if my wife didn't see the story on your show, she didn't tell me about the story. i didn't get the doctor to give me the prescription, you didn't believe in the prescription that it would work, if i did get the treatment of the hospital, if all of those things didn't go the way they planned, i firmly
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believe i would not be her speaking with you today, i was really [inaudible] at the end. >> laura: i'm glad you're oka okay. i hope the president is watching. i hope the cdc folks are watching and i hope people who are in distress can get tested, find out their status and with their doctor describe what's best for them but we keep hearing story after story like this and nothing is 100%, but that is really great news. i'm glad you're okay, you look great. keep in touch with us and stay safe out there, billy. >> i will. i appreciate that, thank you. >> laura: tell your wife i said hi. she's smart. after hearing all of the stories were hydroxychloroquine is credited with saving lives, it is amazing that the left and the medical establishment is still in total denial about the
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potential of these decades-old drugs. >> continue today to push hydroxychloroquine. in a way that is baffling to medical professionals. >> i've looked at all the data. >> the one where the probes are president trump should be president, what is it? >> hydroxychloroquine. >> laura: joining me now is dr. steven smith, founder of the smith center for infectious diseases and urban health, who actually treats covid patients with hydroxyl chloroquine. also with me is a cardiologist and ceo of fox called cardiology. just wrote a terrific piece, dr. smith, have to start with you. were you surprised by the cdc directors just snooty response to hydroxy tonight over on cnn? >> dr. redfield response?
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>> laura: yes. we have the sound bite. let me play it for you and then you can react. here we go. >> would you recommend it to a patient? >> yeah. i'm not going to recommended and i'm not going to not recommended. i think you and i are very similar. my friend dr. fauci, i mean, we are very comfortable in responding when we have data. >> -- >> laura: dr. smith, go ahead, take it away. >> he's a nice guy. he's a beltway guy. he's about beltway fights about -- i'm not about that. he hasn't seen anybody with covid. my team and i have treated over 115 patients now. this drug works, they all believe it. i know at least two aren't in my team of six. it has nothing to do with politics. the death thing, it's not a
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democrat thing, it's not a republican thing, covid is a death thing in this drug helps. i mean, it's clear. i don't know why there is so much of this hullabaloo about it not working, the data are strong. we have data -- the french have amazing data, even the small chinese study showed it works human beings. we know this drug works against covid. that's something i'm working on. i assume the french are working on dosing it correctly. the french use a much higher dose that a lot of doctors who do use hydroxychloroquine, the united states. the drug builds up, so it's a total dose that matters. the dose that allows doctors who do use it in the united states, only 2400 milligrams. the french dose is 6,000 milligrams. that's over twice the dose. and that's important, especially for people that way more than 190-200 pounds. >> laura: let me get into something else that's happening
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here, which is one of the doctors working on a covid vaccine said this about how long that process could actually ta take. >> people forgot how long it really takes to develop an effective and safe vaccine. i think the world's record is around five years for ebola and i was talking to my -- salai, four euros per month. saying that we are going to do it in a year to 18 months, it would be unprecedented if that were to happen. >> laura: dr. oskoui, doesn't this just underscore why we need to find treatment and validate treatment like the one dr. smith is prescribing, the professor has done a thousand patient study, finding great success. why those are so important and why these people are so
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adamantly opposed to it and dismissive and frighten people about it is stunning. >> i agree. i think that any real solution has to be cheap, effective, safe and scalable. vaccines are not going to be any of those things. it will be lucrative to the investigators trying to invent these vaccines, but 18 months, we will be lucky. the reality is we try to make vaccines to coronavirus for years. the closest we ever came was a feline vaccine that actually caused lethal cytokine storm. we need to stop talk about vaccines as though they are equivalent. they are false hope. we need to think about the possibility of herd immunity, we need to think about hydroxychloroquine, continue these studies and one thing i would add to steve's comments is i think it's also important to start this earlier in therapy. when these people are going into
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the icu and are deathly ill, you're not going to get as much benefit as you do if they have mild to moderate disease and initiate therapy earlier, but i will defer to steve on that. >> laura: steve, a lot has been said, dr. smith, about the african-american death rate in some of these hot spots especially. really, really quickly, we have little time, what else can you tell me about what you're seeing with these comorbidities and how that might relate? >> we are seeing a high percentage of african-americans in our population, i think 50% of our cohort, 115 now, is african-american, but duties that are from diabetes and poorly controlled diabetes is another story. has to do with the ethnicity of the person or does it have to do with their diabetes and how that's been either not diagnosed or how it's been managed by the patient. so that's a story that has to be teased out by epidemiologists,
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but there still almost all [inaudible]. >> laura: we will hit more of that next week with the medicine cabinet. thank you so much. dr. smith, stay safe, thank you for what you're doing, dr. oskoui, democrats are trying to figure out a new argument to push a radical agenda. well, vote by mail or get covid and die. congressman gaetz and hahn next. by the end of my world tour i'll turn you all into rock zombies.
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[ screaming ] hip hop. ♪ tiny diamond is my name peace and love tiny and daddy out. and techno. -get ready for the drop. wait for it. come on man! ♪ one more time the world premiere is in your home friday. go to for more. ♪ >> this thing in wisconsin was one of the most awful things in ever seen in my life. the extent that they will go to to hold onto power, it's all about what supreme court seat -- they will kill people to stay in power, literally. >> laura: joining me now is florida congressman matt gaetz and chris hahn, former aide to
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senator chuck schumer, most of the aggressive progressive podcast. all right, congressman, that was james carville, everybody knows james. that was a lot of fearmongering there. is this a preview of how we are going to politicize this pandemic right up until election day? >> in the most insincere of ways, because president trump had a historic turnout on election day, so there may be some voices trying to scare down and suppress the election day vote. what i can say for those who choose to vote by mail is there's a low risk that their vote will be tampered with, so people who want to vote by mail showed, but in states that expand their vote by mail, there is a belief that there will be an increased opportunity for fraud, mit, professors have done studies to show that vote by mail actually has the highest propensity of fraud when compared to in person voting or early voting. >> laura: here's what attorney general bill barr told me about changing the way we vote, watch. >> it's not the right time to be
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experimenting with the way elections are conducted, that is through mail land and other kinds of techniques. i think that by november we are going to be dealing with a different set of circumstances, but i think we can adapt our election practices at the polls to accommodate public health concerns. >> laura: chris, that sounds pretty reasonable, 6 feet distance, wear a mask to vote. why are people in the democrat party jumping ahead to the fall already and trying to lay down new markers about voting? >> i get why republicans don't want vote by mail. their entire plan is to suppress the vote and this is perfect for that plan, what we are doing right now. scare people to think they might die at the polls. so vote by mail, which there's no evidence anywhere of mass fraud in oregon where they've done it since the a foster 80s and 100 million people have voted, but only 11 cases of any documented fraud at all and no mass fraud, but they want to say
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that and help people believe it. look, if you believe that we should have a country and have elections, want to make sure people can vote even in a pandemic, so we got to come up with something and i find it rich -- i find it rich -- >> laura: you think -- >> congress to talk about politicizing after the stunt you pulled on the house floor with that gas mask. i hope are going to lend that -- >> give me a break. i was making a point that we should be concerned about it as congressman because in congress -- >> laura: we are running out of time. >> we interact with a lot of people. a lot of numbers of congress have revisionist history. >> give me a break. >> laura: and nobody can hear this. stop. stop. stop. nobody can hear it. this drives people crazy. it's fine to make a point, make an aggressive point, but try to talk over each other, drives me crazy and everybody else. congressman gates, this is the concern, i think, is that people are afraid now -- a lot of people are afraid, they are
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afraid to go to the deli countet the deli counter yesterday in actual gas masks. i mean some of the real ones with the filters on the side. it was quite something. is the salami really that -- people are scared. are they going to be so petrified going into the fall but they are going to not vote and they're just going to stay home or do we want to encourage people to still participate, you can vote by mail, and why are republicans worried about that? >> we aren't. as a matter of fact, americans voted during the civil war. i suspect we will be able to vote during coronavirus and again, there is little to no risk to an actual voter who chooses to vote by mail and so you are a vote by mail voter and you're concerned about the integrity of your ballot, there's no need to be, but what chris' point misses is that there are circumstances where the vote by mail states, groups going create fictitious people or people who have died long ago
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and create registration for those folks and there's never a moment where human being shows up to vote and so the risk is votes being counted for people who might not be legally in our country, who might not be alive and they have never been alive. >> non. >> laura: what's amazing thought this whole process is that one governor can just decide we are going to call off an election. we're not going to involve the state legislature. where not going to call the legislators back into session so they can proclaim or pass a law about changing. one governor in wisconsin tried to completely change they vote by executive fiat and thank god that was struck down because that's the kind of stuff -- stunts people are going to poll and chris hahn, if a republican governor paul that i know you wouldn't be in favor of it. >> no, laura. mike dewine, the republican governor of ohio did exactly that and he was right to do it. he moved the election to june where it might be safer because he's trying to take care of his
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constituents, just like the governor of wisconsin did. the republicans wanted as few people as possible -- >> laura: i got slapped down by the supreme court. no, no, no. they were different scenarios, different processes and it was struck down by the court. the court enjoined the governor from issuing an executive decree to change elections. we voted during world wars, we voted during the civil -- we voted during major, major crises in america. the idea that you just can buy executive -- the legislature being involved, are you kidding me? you guys call trumpet autocrat? >> i'm all for there being a legislative involvement in these decisions, i agree with you partially on that, but that said, the republican plan is to suppress the vote. they don't want people to vote because they can't win with ideas. >> he was saying the people are going to die if they show u up d vote. that was voter suppression coming direct with him -- it was a republican saying don't vote.
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>> you should be done by people dying, because people in your district -- you're making fun of this -- >> you are such a joke. >> the results. >> laura: all right. all right. >> you don't have the intellectual ability to have an actual -- that photo is going to be in every congressional race this year. >> laura: considering a coronavirus database. that means tracking health data. well, should we be worried about our privacy and civil liberties? we will talk about that next with victor davis hanson, stay there. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424.
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>> laura: what are your thoughts from a civil libertarian point of view about these types of, what some would say, tracking mechanisms that would be adopted going forward to reopen our broader economy? >> yeah, i'm very concerned about slippery slope in terms of continuing encroachments on personal liberty. >> laura: if attorney general bill barr is concerned about plans that may include tracking and monitoring the health of individual americans, well you should be too. it's a little surprising to hear the president speak so favorably about the idea yesterday. >> doesn't sound like a bad idea actually but i have not heard about that. i don't know if i would be okay, i have to see it, but it sounds very scientific and it sounds like it could be good based on tracking, but it also has to do
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with rights and lots of different constitutional questions. >> some people are starting with like the post 9/11 patriot act that ultimately led to the fisa abuse. >> fisa abuse in which i was the one abused. >> laura: the patriot act, fisa courts, other surveillance tools that were enacted apparently to protect us, but they've also been used to violate our rights. joining me now is victor davis hanson, senior fellow at the hoover institute. victor, is mass surveillance, whatever this is, should we be asking questions now and not later? >> i think we should. it's a bad idea. it will end up creating two paths for citizens, those who test positive and have antibodies and they are free to do more things than the ones that don't. we don't want to do that. what we are interested in is a number, not the individuals. we want to know how many cases, how many people have antibodies because we've been working with
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an unknown denominator -- a denominator that's false and that has given all sorts of misinformation. once we do representative surveys and we find out who has antibodies and what the percentage of the population is that had the virus, that's the key, not the individuals. then we can really get an accurate idea of what the lethality rate that will lead to greater confidence and allow us to go back to normality, but we don't to have individual stigmatized. i have the virus, have immunity, you don't. each person, they'll have their own i.d. or their own information that they were exposed and now they are somewhat immune and they can deal with that as they want. we do not want the government especially in conjunction with silicon valley from what we've known about data mining, google, we don't want them anywhere near this, but the individual names in some databank is a bad idea. >> laura: what's amazing, victor, is that the aclu, it's supposed to be this big advocacy
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group for our civil rights, standing up for our rights, but here's one of their attorneys set about tracking, whatever decisions or policies or implement it with respect to responding to this catastrophe. has to be those that are demanded by public health officials and experts. as opposed to others in government, particularly people in security or law enforcement businesses. wait a second, so victor, so i get this, medical bureaucrats can give their imprimatur to track you. that's good, but if law enforcement or the politicians, the people come up with something, that's bad. it's crazy. >> i'm very wary of people in the left international crises because they're supposedly the purported protectors of civil liberties. when you look at woodrow wilson and the suppression of the first amendment in world war ii, earl warren and fdr and the japanese internment or even abraham lincoln whose -- habeas
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corpus in places where he shouldn't have done it. it's not a good idea and remember the pressure on donald trump to enact the war production act, and nationalist companies, he was resisting that, that came more from his opponents on the left. i think it's about idea. we didn't need it in '57, we didn't need it in 2009, we didn't need in 2017. we didn't have a national bank to track every buddy who had the flu and who didn't have the flu and yet we have 61,000 people die just two or three years ago. so we come through this without -- >> laura: it seems like -- you've written about this, we are almost out of time, but we will hit this again next week, but you wrote and commented about california versus new york and it can't be just a shutdown a few days earlier in california. other stuff was going on there, clearly there's more herd immunity than we would have thought. that virus was circulating in california for a lot longer. that's also a fascinating point,
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we will have to hit that next week with you, but thank you for your commentary on our individual rights. update on john durham, the investigation from bill barr, up next.
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♪ >> laura: and now more of my exclusive interview with attorney general bill barr. >> laura: last week i believe you urged consideration of the federal inmate population given the coronavirus. where does that stand now given the concerns about the spread of the virus inside state prisons and obviously federal facilities? >> where not going to open our prisons and let prisoners go. generally. our mission is to protect the public and we are not going to do anything that's contrary to that. where we find a president who is vulnerable because of their age and the medical condition that
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has served the substantial partr sentence that has not been prede a threat to the community, we are using every tool we have two put them in home confinement provided we think home confinement will not be more dangerous than staying where they are and also after a quarantine period where we can ensure they are not taking the disease into the public. >> laura: you have been criticized recently for focusing on the drug cartels during the covid virus. >> this issue of drug cartels, it doesn't feel like that is the front line concern of american right now. >> might have seemed like an odd thing yesterday to be talking about drug cartels. >> it's not top of mind for the health care workers who are on the front lines of this, chuck him and for so many americans. >> it might come as no surprise to some of these people that the federal government, the justice
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department specifically has 115,000 people who are dedicated to protecting the public safety, including preventing narcotics trafficking and we are actually able to do more than one thing at a time and we are handling different kinds of cases. maybe flawed -- fraud is not on the top of their mind but we still police broad. it's interesting because drugs kill 70,000 americans a year. 70,000 a year. and it's poison and we have to make sure that during his period the cartels are not taking advantage of the united states and pumping this poison up into the united states. >> laura: the border is getting tougher to penetrate now and so they're coming in via boat and navigable waterways to get into the united states. >> right and they are relying more on boats to bring the cocaine up from south america.
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so the justice department can do more than one thing at once. and i'm amused whenever i see you know, barr has intervened in this case or barr has done such and such at the time of the covid crisis. business for the department of justice has to continue. >> laura: john brennan has come out smashing the president's firing of inspector general michael atkinson. let's listen. >> by removing mr. atkinson and also trying to send a signal to others, mr. trump continues to show his insecurity in terms of trying to stop anybody who is going to expose again the lawlessness that i think you not only has allowed to continue, but also that he abets. >> i think the president of the right thing in removing atkinson. from the vantage point of the department of justice he had interpreted his statute -- which is a fairly narrow statute, gave him jurisdiction over wrongdoing
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by intelligence people and tried to turn it in to a commission to explore anything in the government and immediately report it to congress without letting the executive branch look at it and determine whether there was any problem. he was told this in a letter from the department of justice and he has obliged to follow the interpretation of the department of justice and he ignored it. i think a president was correct in firing him. >> laura: it's the second inspector general he's fired since the beginning of this pandemic and of course that's used to say the president just doesn't want watchdogs. >> i think that's true. i think he wants responsible watchdogs. >> laura: what can you tell us about the state of john durham's investigation? people have been waiting for the final report on what happened with this, what can you tell us? >> i think the report may be and probably will be a byproduct of his activity but his primary
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focus isn't to prepare a report, he is to bring to justice people who were engaged in abuses and he can show that they will can to or criminal violations and that with the focus is on. and as you know, being a lawyer yourself, building these cases, especially sprawling case we have between us that went on for two or three years here, it takes some time. it takes some time to build the case so he's diligently pursuing it. my own view is that the evidence shows that we are not dealing with just mistakes or sloppiness, there is something far more troubling here and we are going to get to the bottom of it and if people broke the law and we can establish that with the evidence, they will be prosecuted. >> laura: a president is very frustrated, i think you obviously know that, andrew mccabe, saying he believes that people like mccabe and others just were able to basically flout laws and so far with impunity.
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>> i think the president has every right to be frustrated because i think what happened to him was one of the greatest travesties in american history. without any basis, they started this investigation of his campaign and even more concerning actually is what happened after the campaign, a whole of events while he was president. so to sabotage the presidency. and i think -- or at least had the effect of sabotaging the presidency. >> laura: fisa abuses really be prevented going forward given what happened here, where fisa judges are not given critical pieces of information, material facts about evidence that inform the government's okaying the surveillance of american citizens? >> i think it's possible to put in a regime that will make it very hard either to willfully circumvent fisa or to do so
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sloppily without due regard for the rights of the american person involved. and also to make it very clear that any misconduct will be discovered and discovered fairly promptly. so i do think we can put in safeguards that will enable us to look forward to this important tool. i think it's very sad and the people who abused pfizer have a lot to answer for. because this was an important tool to protect the american people. they abused him, they undercut public confidence in fisa but also the fbi as an institution. and we have to rebuild that. >> laura: i'll say. up next, when supermodels take a tumble. the last bite is next. and spray... and spray... and spray. well, we used to. with new ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier,
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♪ >> laura: it is time for the last bite. all right, the next time someone tells you "just leave it to the experts, don't worry," remember this. >> we will bring down the number of infections to 2.2 million deaths or 1.6 million deaths. >> the model tells you even if you mitigate fully, you will get to this rather disturbing number of deaths, 100,000 to 200,000. it looks more like the 60,000
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than 100,000 to 200,000. >> laura: don't worry, that is only a differential of 36. every life matters. every life counts. boy, were they wrong peer that is all the time we have tonight. shannon bream "fox news @ night," take care, have a happy easter. >> shannon: you also wealth was well, laura, thank you very much. we begin with a fox news alert. mark your calendars, the far left democratic mayor to the president coronavirus task force. the month of may is shaping up to be the potential target date for taking steps for reopening america for business. we are investigating tonight whether we can be ready. with the experts on testing coming to you at a drug store near you entering the time is right. and we are looking at the controversy over another multitrillion dollar relief action with a lift of demand from the democrats. the senator might lead to


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