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colleagues that he will bring this up first. leland: 4:00 p.m. is the news conference from the fbi in pittsburgh. obviously live coverage of the president when he takes the stage. eric and arthel from new york now. >> eric: the president is about to speak in indianapolis, indiana any moment now. we expect him to touch on the tragic story we've been reporting on all day here in the fox news channel, the gunman opening fire at a pittsburgh synagogue during a bris, a baby naming ceremony. a an unknown number of people have been killed, six people including police officers have been wounded, four of those are officers. that suspect is now in custody and the investigation is kicking off in full swing after this horrific mass shooting at that synagogue, the tree of life synagogue in the squirrel hill neighborhood of pittsburgh,
pennsylvania. and you just have to wonder when will this all stop. hello, everyone, i'm eric shawn. this is a new hour of america's news headquarters. >> arthel: i'm arthel neville, thank you for joining us, a very busy day. investigators are identifying the suspect behind the shooting as robert bowers. president trump as we said, he's closely monitoring the situation. here's what the president said just moments ago. >> the work of the first responders is probably prevented it from becoming a much more tragedy than what it is. the scene is very bad inside. there are multiple fatalities. there's at least six injuries to include four police officers. the police officers' injuries at this time are nonlife threatening. the other individuals are critical, and serious in nature. >> arthel: jackie heinrich is following the details from our
new york city newsroom. what's the latest? >> reporter: we are waiting on new information on the status of those victims, just how many people died of their injuries but we are learning more information about the alleged shooter, robert bowers, a 48-year-old white male who police believe acted alone. it happened in the tree of life synagogue, which is pittsburgh's squirrel hill neighborhood, one of the area's largest jewish communities. robert bowers allegedly stormed the synagogue, shouting, quote, all jews must die and began shooting. the victims were found in the basement and in the atrium. responding officers engaged in three shootouts with the suspects. in one of the instances they were forced to use their vehicle as a shield. at one point the shooter fired his weapon from either outside or pointed his weapon outside the building. the gunman reportedly surrendered to officers inside the building and the area was released from lockdown. there are multiple casualties, six people confirmed to be
injured, four of them as you mentioned were police officers. several victims were taken to area hospitals that were also placed on lockdown. we know the alleged gunman was active on social media. robberhe posted several anti-sec statements and conspiracy theories online. one of his social media accounts has been taken down. today president trump told report its something has to be done about the hate and israel's prime minister also spoke. >> what happened today is a horrible, horrible thing. we're learning a lot about it. it looks definitely like it's an anti-semetic crime and that is something you wouldn't believe could still be going on. it would seem to be an anti-semetic crime. >> i was heart-broken and appalled by the her drus attacka pittsburgh synagogue today.
the entire people of israel grieve with the families of the dead. we stand together with the jewish community of pittsburgh. we stand together with the american people in the face of this horrendous anti-semetic brutality and we all pray for the speedy recovery of the wounded. >> reporter: we are waiting on the number of confirmed dead. we're also waiting on the status of the victim who -- or the suspect, rather, who was also reportedly taken to an area hospital. police in major cities, new york and los angeles, are deploying additional officers to houses of worship to secure those facilities in the wake of what's happened in pittsburgh. arthel? >> arthel: jackieing you tha, tu very much. eric: we're waiting for the president to speak in indianapolis, indiana. we'll continue. as jackie just mentioned, the suspect in this shooting identified as robert bowers. investigators combing through this background including all his social media activity which
is extensive. we are joined by a forker former special agent at the a.t.f. so bernard, going in, bowers apparently tweeted that he's going to do just that. he said screw the optics going in, just before the shooting. he's got full line in the social media, full of anti-semetic rantings. what is the line, where is the line from this type of expressions to criminality to this horrific mass killing? >> this is historic hate in the united states. it's historic state from the 18th century forward and it goes on. it's very reminiscent of activities that have happened in the last five years in the united states. these type of shooters, particularly the anti-semetic often telegraph their punches with their rhetoric. say preinternet it was postings or tennets at these meetings. we have to pay attention to
these crimes? eric: he said there's no make america great as long as -- there's seemingly neo-nazi white nationalist language. >> law enforcement can't do this. this is a societyal expectation of all of us when we pay attention to these things. of course, there's so much of this out there. there's so much hate and noise. there are times when we feel that things elevate. it's not necessarily preventative but we have to take with the expectation that somebody could actualize this in terms of their weapons, they obtain them, their interest, some of the other things they post, having contact with them sometimes is helpful. not always. because some of the shooters have been contacted previously before an act by law enforcement. eric: how do we as a society, how do our political leaders
tone down the rhetoric that we heard that could be clarion calls to an unstable mind, whether talking about the type of language that is used, the tone that is used, the tenor andvillandvilifing groups of pet the policies but vilifying groups of people, could that have set barriers off and how do we tamp this down after what we've seen in the past week? >> government will never be able to do this. legislation will never be able to do this. us as neighbors, friends and coworkers, that's where it starts. that's where it's going to end. that's the only solution in time. eric: in terms of anti-semitism we've seen a rise recently. do you know why? do you have reasons for this? what is your thought in terms of what has sadly become a rise in anti-semitism. we have seen what happened in france, jews have been driven out basically from that country, many, and now here. >> it's a significant level of
hate that's been in this country for quite some time. this particular movement in various forms, the neo-nazis, the nationalists, the skinheads are muscle for this type of activity traditionally. it exists in the sublayers of society and it's been here for some time. it's very dangerous. people attribute all of their ills, all of their own problems, their financial problems, their career problems, to a specific group and once they have that level of hate, they feel justified. eric: we don't know much about bowers at the moment but we know suspect was living in his van. he had a rifle scope over hillary clinton's face. as a law enforcement person, you say law enforcement can't stop it, what can we as citizens do? how can we tamp this down because it will tragically happen again and again.
>> i go back to the reference of a sermon that said after god made the angels and the beasts, he took soil and made man kind and gave us choice. there is no bottom to human evil. there is no ceiling to human goodness, as demonstrated by the officers who sack fide sacrifics themselves today. we have to take responsibility as neighbors, as citizens to stop all this. eric: this is what was written on october 9th. there's a different type of flood the world needs. the inhabitants of the plan must flood it with goodness and kindness. wouldn't it be wonderful if the lead story on the evening news would have been about something positive. this is from rabbi jeffrey meyer from the tree of life. we can only hope and pray for the best for the families of those who have fallen victim today. thanks so much. >> arthel: a service was taking place at the synagogue when the
gunmagunman entered and opened . squirrel hill is considered the head of bit pittsburgh's jewish community. we are joined by mr. rubin. i may have to interrupt you as we're waiting remarks from the president. meanwhile, let me begin with you by asking you first, did you have any relative or close friends at the service this morning? >> thank you, arthel. thanks for covering this. my parents were there last night at friday night's service. the synagogue itself is three individual synagogues, actually, that share that space. so our family's a member of one of those and fortunately my family is okay. but we don't know the names of those who were affected today. >> arthel: of course, i understand that. i'm glad to hear that your family is doing fine under the circumstances. they weren't hurt but i'm sure they're not doing fine.
>> no, they're not. >> arthel: have you spoken to any one who was at the service this morning? >> i haven't spoken to individuals at the service but my parents have a strong network in pittsburgh. it's a tight-knit community. squirrel hill is at the center of pittsburgh, a vibrant jewish community, a vibrant community overall. i'm a fourth generation pittsburgher. my family came to the united states more than 100 years ago. my 96-year-old grandmother still lives i in pittsburgh. we're a unified city. today, everybody in pittsburgh is crying, it's a tragedy for the city, for the jewish community as well. thank god for local law enforcement, for their bravery and coming in, protecting people who were celebrating a young child's baby naming. my three daughters were all named baby names in that same
synagogue and it's just unspeakable horror to imagine that someone would come in and shoot babies at prayer. >> arthel: any service is a special service but of course today was extra special, considering that very sacred process was taking place there and as i told you, mr. rubin, that we are monitoring president trump there in indianapolis. he's taking the po yum. podium.if you could wait for mee other side of the president's remarks and let's listen -- well, actually he's enjoying the applause there that he's being received, that he's receiving there at this facility where it seems that a very vigorous invite there to the president, welcoming him with him with ths
applause, before he gets there to take the podium. we expect the president when he takes the podium to give remarks regarding this horrible, horrific crime and killings that have taken place there at the tree of life synagogue in squirrel hill, pennsylvania. outside of pittsburgh. and let us listen in now to president trump. ♪ god bless the usa. >> wow. >> [ cheering and applause ] >> wow. well, i want to thank you. when i hear the word future farmer, that's a very, very important term. you're very smart doing that, future farmer. i hear some people want to go into a business or an industry. i say i wouldn't want to do that but i would like to be a future farmer. that i can tell you.
[ cheering and applause ] >> but as you know, earlier today there was a horrific shooting targeting and killing jewish americans at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. the shooter is in custody and federal authorities have been dispatched to support state and local police and conduct a full and thorough federal investigation. this wicked act of mass murder is pure evil, hard to believe, and, frankly, something that is unimaginable. our nation and the world are shocked and stunned by the grief. this was an anti-semetic act. you wouldn't think this would be possible in this day and age. but we just don't seem to learn from the past.
our minds cannot comprehend the cruel hate and the twisted malice that could cause a person to unleash such terrible violence during a baby naming ceremony. this was a baby naming ceremony at a sacred house of worship on the holy day of shaba. anti-semitism and the widespread persecution of jews represents one of the ugliest and darkest features of human history. the vial hate-filled poison of anti-semitism must be consistent dealecondemnedand confronted and everywhere it appears. there must be no tolerance for anti-c tianti-semitism or for af religious or racial hatred or prejudice. you know that.
you know that very well. [ cheering and applause ] >> you know that very well. you're outstanding people. you were brought up incredibly by outstanding parents in most cases and i just want to thank you for your understanding because today with one unified voice, we condemn the historic evil of anti-semitism and every other form of evil and unfortunately evil comes in many forms and we come together as one american people. i have just spoken -- proofs. [ cheering and applause ] >> go ahead. we should. >> [ cheering and applause ] >> i have just spoken with the
mayor of pittsburgh, bill pidudo, terrific guy, and with the governor of pennsylvania who i've been dealing with quite a bit lately on the hurricane and other things, tom wolfe, two terrific people, to assure the full and complete resources of my administration in the investigation of this attack. we are praying for the families of the victims and our hearts go out to the wounded law enforcement officers in pittsburgh, very bad wounde badd and very brave. the results and the facts will be put out very shortly but these were very brave officers. these are incredible people of law enforcement and law enforcement does so much for us, so much for us. [ cheering and applause ]
>> they really do. they do so much for us and they really are unsung heroes. they don't get the credit they desearch i've always given them the credit. these run credible patriots, incredible people. we mourn for the unthinkable loss of life that took place today and we pledge in their name to fight for a future of justice, safety, tolerance, morality, dignity and love. we must all rise above the hate, move past our divisions and embrace our common destiny as americans. and it doesn't mean that we can't fight hard and be strong and say what's on our mind. but we have to always remember
those elements. we have to remember the elements of love and dignity and respect and so many others. as we hold pennsylvania and the great people of pennsylvania close in our hearts and prayers, i am glad to be here today in the wonderful state of indiana. we love indiana. [ cheering and applause ] >> and to address some people that are going to be so successful, the future farmers of america. [ cheering and applause ] >> especially after i open up all those countries to you with our great trade deals because you had the worst trade deals. you had the most one-sided, uneven, unfair trade deals and they're falling one by one. you know that. we just signed mexico and
canada. [ cheering and applause ] >> and south korea. >> [ cheering and applause ] >> >> arthel: as we have been listening to the president there, saying no room for anti-semitism in america, we are getting a picture of the suspected shooter in today's horrific crime. this is the picture of 46-year-old robert bowers in police custody at the moment. we're going to talk more later in this newscast about what questions authorities have already asked bowers and what they plan to ask him, what lies ahead for his future as he is related in this horrible crime happening ott the tree of life synagogue this morning during a service. and joining me is mr. joel rubin. mr. rubin, thank you fo staying with me. this has been determined as a hate crime by authorities. did you believe what you were hearing when you first heard about the shootings? >> well, arthel, i have a group
text of high school buddies of mine. we are continually engaged and the shock came through, started getting calls. this is pittsburgh. it's a calm, enjoyable, warm, down-home city. it's a city of tight ties between families and community members. it's a city where people feel free to walk around late at night and it's a beautiful town. and squirrel hill is a jewel of a neighborhood in pittsburgh. and it's just shocking. the rhetoric right now, the hate speech, the attacks, the bomb threats we saw from the other day, things are out of hand. things are out of hand. and pittsburgh as a city is a mirror of reflection of america and if it can happen in pittsburgh, i hate to say it can happen anywhere. this is a man-made crisis and man and women, we all can fix it
and we all must. to have a synagogue be a target like this, it really -- everybody i know in pittsburgh and the ex-pittsburgh community that lives outside the city, which is tightly knit, people are in absolute dismay and shock. >> arthel: finally, how did this day, this incident change your life? >> well, i have three daughters. i belong to a synagogue. i live in maryland where we had anti-semetic fliers spread around my town as well. i'm a town councilman in chevy chase, maryland and we had those. it's real. we are strong. we are not going to cower to this kind of hate, this kind of intimidation. this is not america. this is not th way we're going o live. we need to have people stand up. everybody individual will have to stand up and speak out against hate and identify solutions for how to fix this.
for me, it means i'm going to hug my daughters more, means i'm going to talk to them about this and educate them about what is happening right now and do so lovingly. it also means that publicly we are all going to have to take a stand because we cannot tolerate this any longer. >> arthel: very good message to end on. joel rubin, tree of life hometown member of that synagogue there. thank you very much. i'm very sorry for your loss in um hometown, your community many and our prayers for sure are with you all. thank you for joining me. eric: absolutely with all the people of squirrel hill and that city. how can we finally put a stop to all these horrific shootings we've been witnessing, oftentimes happening in soft targets, places of worship, churches, synagogues, mall, what do we do to keep people safe? joining us now is michael braboni. michael, this was a bris, a celebration for a baby, the family was around the rabbi with the child and the man comes in
and starts shooting. what do we need to do? >> in middle america, not new york or l.a. or some place where we've almost become accustomed to these types of attacks from a terrorism perspective at least. this is really rivetting people to the basic question of are we seeing our society changing. i deal with all sorts of places, everything from schools to synagogues. do we need armed guards? do we need to have a bulletproof visitor entryway so that during a school day, you close that off so nobody can get in that might have a weapon. do we need to put magnatomers in schools? how do we keep guns out of hands of people that are frankly insane. all these things have been resonating since virginia tech, what is the system we can do to prevent this from happening? how can we make soft targets
hardened but not loose their mission. eric: we ask these questions after every one of these incidents, yet the government, this country, we are not doing enough. >> in this democracy, when you have the second amendment concerns and you have the freedom of religion concerns and you have educators concerns, that they don't want to change the nature of what they do, they don't want to turn facilities into armed camp. there is nothing more precious, more important than protecting our children, protecting people who are praying. the constitution, the very reason why this country was founded was because of that common principle, being able to pray to the god you believe in. and yet here we have it under attack. this guy, how do you also respond to this person who really is evil. i mean, that's the thing. on shavas, the day when the synagogue is going to be full, as you said, with a bris going on, a joyous event, to take that
opportunity and do this and if you look at the comments on the twitter handle, you know this guy was disturbed. eric: what is the line -- i asked this before -- what is the line between the first amendment and alerting law enforcement authorities when you have him on his twitter, derogatory comments about jewish people, saying there's an infestation, constantly going after this. maybe as a follower of this right wing conspiracy group, the q, you have that. at what point is free speech fine, and at what point does law enforcement say we should take a look at this guy, we don't know if police had any contacts with him previously. >> so police and security personnel have always wanted to take the next step and prevent an event from happening, violence from happening. we saw that the 9/11, the focus shifted from going after and investigating crimes after they happened to try to prevent crimes. we changed the standard for how law enforcement interacts in our
society. there is a question as to what type of technology do we have. we always see this after the event. we take a look at the social media footprint. we see who they've been communicating with. eric: is it against the law for authorities to go knock on his door? they do that in israel. they actually go through social media of people and they knock on the door and we'll talk to the u.n. ambassador from israel later on in this program about what israel does. under the law now, can law enforcement do that or is that completely protected by free speech? >> if the comments are on a publicly available website, you can take a look at it and you can try to use it as a part of your intelligence on somebody. but look at the parkland shooting. that individual who committed that crime, that horrific slaughter, he had all sorts of signs and was visited by folks from social services. eric: you can do that.
you may not have probable cause but you can seek other ways for the government to go in. >> you can have a noncustodial interview with the individual, say what do you think, what's going on there, it's best to talk to parents, family f. they have that. it's important to recognize the limitations on that. several years ago we had a tragedy in the city of new york where we had two police officers, nypd police officers that were gunned down, assassinated in their patrol car. the perpetrator on the way up driving up tweeted i'm going to let pigs fly. and there was all this recrime nations about gee, we saw this coming in a way. why couldn't we have stopped and prevented that. and frankly, the technology does exist to do geo fencing and geo coding. but then we get back to the snowden debate. is big brother watching us. eric: bowers allegedly tweeted i'm going in. what does that mean, someone seens the words, i'm going in.
how do they connect that with this type of act? >> and do it just in time, to be able to say it's going to happen right now. law enforcement and these types of vi violent incidents, they dt come together in that way, they don't have the specificity. it never works like that. eric: unless you do a welfare check. bowers apparently had three glocks on social media. it's not against the law. if you put the other elements together, maybe there could have been a follow-up. finally, you mentioned hardening of schools perhaps, this is what the president said a little earlier today raising that very same question. >> if they had an armed guard inside they might have been able to stop him immediately, so this would be a case for if there was an armed guard inside the temple, they would have been able to stop him, maybe there would have been nobody killed except for him, frankly. it's a very, very difficult
situation. eric: arming guards, they are frequently at synagogues and temples and one of the worshipers said there is none at this synagogue during shab a at. should we be at a point where armed guards are placed at every church, every synagogue, every mosque, every place of worship? >> right now there are communities, communities here in long island, new york, that do have armed guards during services and special services. a lot of synagogues in particular have not decided to go down that route but that's a part of the consideration. we perhaps this will change. in terms of schools, florida has taken steps towards having armed guards at a lot of schools. they're seeing their insurance costs go up. now they have a weapon on the premises. these are horrific acts. when you talk about the general nature of crime and assault, they represent a very, very small part of the violence that happens in america every day. the question is, how do you do a
response that is appropriate and is sustainable over time? that's the hardest thing about dealing -- trying to prevent any type of violence is it's unpredictable by its nature and the real-time response is so difficult to get just right. so obviously school districts and all sorts of religious institutions will be considering that very question, do you need armed guards at a facility. eric: certainly something must be done. that obviously is one of the -- some type of answer to what's being going on at least to try to prevent it as it happens. good to see you, sorry under these tragic circumstances. >> arthel: want to let everybody know, we're waiting for an update from the fbi that is set to begin about 30 minutes from now aand our next guest is a he retired fbi special agent. he will join us on how the federal government will conduct the investigation and also our reporter garrett teny arrived on scene in pittsburgh. we'll bring you the latest on
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murder is pure evil, hard to believe and, frankly, something that is unimaginable. our nation and the world are shocked and stunned by the grief. this was an anti-semetic act. eric: that was president trump just moments ago, speaking in indianapolis, reacting to this horrific tragedy that we've seen unfolding in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. police say this man identified as 46-year-old robert bowers is responsible for the multiple fatalities at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh, six people were injured in this attack including four officers. garrett ten anney is on the scee in pittsburgh and has the latest. >> reporter: i can tell you, as we pulled up to this location just a few minutes ago, you could tell that folks here were very shaken by this event, lots of people just lining up on the sidewalks around here to see how close they could get to the
synagogue to get a look at what it's like. we're a block away, down the hill from the synagogue. you can see a very heavily police presence is outside what's been described as a horrific and extensive crime scene. to lay the ground for you a little bit, this morning it was around 9:45, local jewish leaders say there were several congregations holding services in the building and this is including a baby naming ceremony. they estimate between 45 and 100 people would have been inside at this time and around 9:45 the gunman walked in and the cbs affiliate in pittsburgh reports he yelled, all jews must die. a witness described hearing loud repeated gunfire. the shooter opened fire on officers as they responded to the scene and he engaged in several shootouts before surrendering to police. pittsburgh's public safety director was visibly emotional
and shaken as he described it was a very bad, horrific scrim e scene, the worst he's seen, multiple fa fatalities. we don't have an exact number on that. we are told six injuries, four of those were police officers, three of whom were shot. their injuries are described as nonlife-threatening. the other injuries to the other two individuals are described as serious and critical. law enforcement sources confirm to fox news robert bowers is the suspect of the shooting and at this time this is being considered a federal violation of hate crime statutes and the fbi will be leading the investigation. in terms of security, michael eisenberg, the former president of the tree of life synagogue, he said earlier that anyone can walk in or out of the synagogue on any given day. he said on holidays, there would be a police presence at the synagogue, but on a day like today, that would not have been the case. pennsylvania governor tom wolfe has ordered all flags in pennsylvania to half staff to honor the victims of the
shooting and tonight just down the road from the synagogue at a presbyterian church they will hold a vigil around 6:00 p.m. for all of those here in the area to remember those who have fallen in this attack. more as we get it, eric. eric: thank you so much. >> arthel: thank you. for more on this investigation and insight into a possible motive we're going to bring in david kubertere, a retired fbi special agent, a perform fbi s.w.a.t. sniper. he is now a crime prevention consultant. very good to have you. we want to get some insight from your perspective, sir. first of all, right now, what are the most pressing questions for the fbi at this point and how do they go about getting the answers? absolutely. right now what they're going to be looking at is several phases of an investigation. they're going to try to figure out the individual's motive by going through his history, looking back several monthsing maybe several years of what stressors was this individual
under, was he ever mentally or diagnosed with any mental illness, did he have any financial issues, did he have any other motivators or stressors in his life that would have brought him to this point. people typically don't just snap, just on one day. it build up like a pressure cooker. that's what they'll be looking at. they're going to try to find out the logistics, you know, he thought about doing this, he started planning it, then he started prepping. they want to figure out where he got the items or the logistics or the weapons or weapon that he actually used today. >> arthel: how important is it for investigators to talk to the suspect in the aftermath, before he gets a lawyer? >> oh, it's crucial. that's where you are really able to sit down with the individual and get into his mindset and try to figure out his motivation, try understand who he is as a person, try to understand what he's been going through. again, is this an individual that's been dealing with mental
health issues or, again, maybe dealing with mental health illness. two different things. so usually in a situation like this, people automatically think anybody that can do something like this those be mentally ill. >> arthel: how do you know if he did or did not coordinate the shootings or plan this with someone else? will you be talking to friends? family? who are you looking to get answers from? >> absolutely. these type of situations, about 80 or 90% of the time there were indicators there by individuals that are close to the active shooter. they'll be talking to any family members. they'll be talking to coworkers, neighbors, anybody that was affiliated with this individual. the individuals that would more likely see the situation unfolding and possibly getting to this point would be teachers and peers for that example, because they have constant contact with an individual and they know the difference between how an individual basically behaves on a day to ba day-to-ds
and they're more likely to identify changes in behavior. >> arthel: those are warning signs. you're an expert. other people are not. how severe must those -- that change in behavior be for someone to take notice and maybe call the authorities and also let's talk about the other warning signs out there, the social media postings and like eric just asked earlier, should investigators and authorities have more leeway to interrogate people behind threatening posts before they commit a crime? >> oh, absolutely. i'll get right to the main point here, what the problem is. we've got to get to the grass root position here. that is, we have to really develop a better mental health system where we can actually identify individuals in crisis and get intervention before they start thinking about doing something really bad. this takes time. >> arthel: excuse me, sir. what if you're the mother and
you see your son -- this man is 46 years old. how can a mother say i think my son needs mental illness. how does she get him into the hospital? can she commit him? >> she has to build a case. we all do. if we see a neighbor or family member that's in crisis mode, a lot of times if we listen, there's a lot of points, like the bomber this week, there was a lot of leakage there. 95% of the time you're going to hear the person talk about things like i want to hurt people, i want to hurt myself. that's one. then you start building the next thing, they're writing things or social media footprint or they're communicating these type of thoughts and that's when you start looking at potentially getting help for that individual and maybe even alerting -- i have a situation where one of my clients did exactly that and probably prevented a situation just a few weeks ago. >> arthel: quickly, but just 20 seconds to answer one part of the question which was should authorities have more leeway to go to these people and
interrogate them before they commit a crime after having posted menacing, threatening posts on social media? >> the answer is absolutely yes. given the state of affairs, things we're seeing in the uptick of active shooter situations every year, we have a systemic problem here and it's basically at an epidemic. it's going to continue rising, every year it does rise and we see more of these situations. law enforcement has to be begin more tools and allowed more leeway to identify these individuals and put them in a position where they're not going hurt anyone. >> arthel: thank you very much, sir. and we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ the new capital one savor card. earn 4% cash back on dining
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public safety director speaking this morning about the horrible mass shooting we've been reporting about in the synagogue there. officials saying there are multiple fatalities and injuries and the man in custody, the suspected shooter identified as 46-year-old robert bowers. he allegedly yelled, all jews must die, when he rushed into the synagogue and started shooting. it is considered a hate crime. federal authorities are taking the lead in the investigation. so what is the state of domestic terrorism in the u.s. and are the feds doing enough? joining us now is jonathan chancer, vice president of research at the foundation for defense of democracies and former terrorism analyst at the state department. it's so shocking and horrendous. it's an offense from every sense we hav having have when somethis happens, especially a joyous occasion being celebrated at a synagogue. >sin. >> it is. of course, it's not a surprise. there's a reason we see security outside of a lot of synagogues
in the washington, d.c. area and major metropolitan areas across the country. we see the same presence at jewish day schools, community centers, there's a problem of anti-semitism. if you look at the reporting that's come out from law enforcement agencies, from groups like the anti-defamation league, you'll see this has been a consistent problem for decades. so today is of course shocking but i think not really that surprising. eric: it seems that anti-semitism and these types of incidents are on the uprise. why do you think that is so? >> i would say that there's a problem within what we would call the alt-right. we've seen a rise in spray painting of swastikas of cemeteries, jewish centers. they've been emboldened in recent years. we've soon the radical rhetoric from certain places on the left as well. right now of course the heightened political rhetoric and all of that mixed in on
social media, i think has been a mixture that's been extremely dangerous. i would personally welcome sort of a lowering of the temperature in this country across the board. eric: a lot of people are calling for that. how does that affect an unstable mind or let's say you are stable and you allegedly commit this type of act because those are your beliefs? >> i think anything that you want to find right now on the internet, you can. any sorts of groups you want to join through social media i think it's a lot easier. a lot of times when we talk about islamic attacks, we talk about how people are radicalized. no one knows exactly what brought this guy to the exact moment of deciding to commit a mass murder. certainly you get a sense that some of the rhetoric that he has been exposed to in recent months contributed in some way. eric: we'll talk more pout that in a moment and how we can stop this. jonathan, just stay with with us. we'll get back to you after this
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that and why do you think that is so significant? >> look, first of all, i know a lot of people who have been assisted or families have been assisted by this organization. it does good work and the idea of targeting a synagogue in pittsburgh because of your outrage over this, the logic is extremely difficult to follow. but again, i think we are going to see elements of the right that have this sort of reflective anti-immigrant perspective that i think, again, needs to be tamped down. i don't want to only single out the right here. but i think we are seeing elements from across the board engage in radical rhetoric that must be brought down to a lower level. eric: what strikes me is a lot of the attacks are against groups. it's the democrats or the republicans or it's african americans, not against policies. has that been a change in our politics lately that it's become more personal and specific. >> i think it's instructive to
look at the fact that we've had moments like these throughout u.s. history. we've seen sort of communist inspired terrorist attacks in the 19 teens and 20s. we've seen terrorism associated with the cuban nationalist movement in the 1950s. cad rail leftist terrorists in the 1960s and '70s. we have reached a different point where we're seeing lone wolf activity and other disturbing aspects of domestic terrorism. we have had to address these at different points. sometimes they've gone away naturally. they've just simply dissipated and in some cases we need to address -- we've needed to address it head-on. i believe right now is an inflection point for america and, again, the hope here is that we begin to bring down the temperature. eric: that's certainly something we all must think about. jonathan, thank you for your insight. thank you. >> arthel: eric we are awaiting an update from the fbi that's set to start minutes from now. we'll take that live when it
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>> arthel: new developments at the top of the hour. we are awaiting an fbi pittsburgh briefing there on the shooting at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. the first one from the bureau since this horrific attack happening this morning. the suspect has been identified. his picture is on the right side of your screen. federal authorities are now treating this as a hate crime. hello, welcome to a brand-new hour inside america's news quarters. i'm arthel neville. eric: i'm eric shawn. authorities say the man is 46-year-old robert bowers. that he opened fire at the tree of life synagogue, killing multiple people and wounding six others, including four police officers.