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  U.S. House of Representatives Colloquy between Reps. Hoyer and Mc Carthy  CSPAN  December 13, 2018 4:56pm-5:51pm EST

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>> funding for the froth expires december 21 unless congress passes a spending bill before them. there'll be a partial government shutdown that will include the state department, homeland security, justice department, the environmental protection agency, and other parts of the federal government. some agencies have already been funded and will remain open. next week both the house and the senate are expected to consider government spending bills. you can watch the debate live with the house here on c-span, and the senate on our companion network c-span2. when the new congress takes
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office in january, it'll have the youngest, most diverse freshman class in recent history. new congress, new leaders. watch it live on c-span. tarting january 3. >> house minority whip steny hoyer and majority leader kevin mccarthy today had what was likely their last colloquy with each in his current position. most of the conversation focused on the possibility of a government shutdown because of a disagreement over president trump's demand for a border wall. bjection, the gentleman from maryland is recognized. mr. hoyer: thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent to speak out of order for one minute for the purpose of inquiring of the majority leader the schedule for the week to come. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. hoyer: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield to my friend. i want to say as i yield to him, maybe i better say it at the end and see how pleasant we're. i yield to the majority leader.
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mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. i ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. hoyer: mr. speaker, the house is still not in order. members want to hear the information that the leader gives about the schedule. the speaker pro tempore: members will please carry their onversation off the floor. the gentleman may pr seed. mr. mccarthy: i first want to begin by thanking my friend. today could be our last schedule colloquy together. over the years we have had many spirited debates on this floor. we have celebrated moments of cooperation from tackling the opioid epidemic to fighting human trafficing to leveling tough sanctions on american adversaries. as my friend knows, most of what we do in this chamber is bipartisan. but -- a study by quorum found
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that the 115th congress enacted the highest percentage of bipartisan bills of any congress in the last 20 years. that success could not have happened without a lot of working across the aisle to find common ground. beyond legislation i look forward to continue working with my friend on our shared passion for a more efficient, effective, and accountable government through events like hack-a-thon. mr. hoyer: will the gentleman yield were he goes on? mr. mccarthy: yes, sir. mr. hoyer: i want to join the leader. it is important for the public towns much goes on in which there is agreement. much gos on in this house between staff and members that is a positive and bipartisan result for the american people and for our country. obviously the public sees mostly and the reporters cover,
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television and print, mostly the confrontation because that is what is newsworthy. headline saying everybody cooperated and got something done is apparently not a very salable, marketable headline. but i want to thank the majority leader and as the roles shift and i become the majority leader, i continue to, intend to work with the majority leader and with the incoming whip on the republican side to see if we can forge bipartisan agreement on critical issues that clearly the american people want addressed. i want to thank my friend, mr. mccarthy, and tell him i look forward to working with him as we have in the past and hopefully we can do so con struckively on behalf of not only the house of representatives but on behalf of our country and i yield back to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank my friend
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for yielding and thank him for those kind words. there are other things we also did on this floor. we have mourned during times of grief, including our colloquy just one day after the shooting at the g.o.p. baseball practice. those moments of shared humanity reflect the very best that this house has to offer. and yes, we have had our share of debate. debates over policy, over politics, and how to make the country better. but i have always known my friend to be a man of integrity and a fair and honest broker. and although your questions were rarely confined to the schedule for the week to come, i have actually grown to enjoy these colloquies. because no matter the subject, these colloquies represent some of the last true debates that occur in this chamber. so while the transcripts of what we say one day will fade, i wish friend well as we carries forward this legacy of mutual
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respect in the people's house. i know you will. my friend knows i love metrics, so here are a few final stats. on average our weekly colloquy this year has lasted 42 1/2 minutes. i apologize to the house record keepers and to the members trying to give one-minute speeches like they are today. the shortest was eight minutes, the longest lasted more than an hour. mr. speaker, today will likely be on the shorter end because our schedule for next week remains fluid and subject to change. conversations are currently ongoing between the house, senate, and white house. in the meantime, members should be on standby and prepared to return to washington for votes next week. we'll provide advance notice ahead of expected votes. as of today i would estimate first votes for the week occur at 6:30 p.m. next wednesday. i would encourage all members to make the necessary arrangements to be here as we complete our work for the 115th congress. with that i yield to my friend.
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mr. hoyer: i thank the majority leader for that information. i would reiterate what the majority leader has said. i believe this is accurate. there will be no votes before wednesday at 6:30 p.m. next week . no votes prior to 6:30 p.m. next wednesday. so that members are advised that they need to be available, we need to be here wednesday at 6:30 and we need to be available for every day thereafter until we get this government on a solid footing. is that accurate, mr. leader? mr. mccarthy: that is completely accurate. we'll have votes 6:30 wednesday night and we'll finish our work to make sure our government continues to move forward. i yield back. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman for yielding. as he points out, these discussions are not just about schedule for the short term.
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they are about, however, schedule as to what policies we are going to address, when we're going to address them, how we're going to address them. in that context, mr. speaker, the majority leader was, i think, rightfully proud of the fact that the committee had reported out all 12 premise bills by -- appropriation bills by the august break and we passed seven of those bills on the floor and sent them to the senate. sadly, however, mr. speaker, we are now 12 days before christmas. there was a meeting at the white . use about 48 hours ago at which time there was a debate or discussion on tv which the american people saw. and the president of the united states said, i will shut down
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the government, absolutely. nd then he said, i am proud to hut down the government. mr. speaker, shutting down the government is stupid. shutting dun the government is costly. shutting down the government creates great uncertainty, not only among those who work for the federal government but everybody who relies on the daily activities of the federal government. we should not shut down the government. my side, mr. speaker, has offered the president of the united states and to all of us two alternatives. one is that we pass a c.r. for the balance of me year for all years. we don't like that alternative.
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but at least it will provide some certainty for the next 8 1/2 months. until september 30. the second alternative, which i think is the much better and comports with the leader's justifiable pride with dealing with the appropriation bills on this side, as i understand there's only one agreement this agreement. of major proportions. and that is whether we build a wall. we think that's bad policy, the president thinks it's good policy. we're having an argument about that and we don't agree. the republicans control the house and the senate. they could pass it. they haven't passed it. but we don't control that. that's out of our hands.
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and our suggestion was, we have agreed on five of the bills who have been signed into law, about 76% of government's discretionary funding has been passed. we have about 25% left. hat 25% is in seven bills. one is the department of homeland security. it's clear that we do not have agreement on the homeland security appropriation bill. but on six, it is my understanding, mr. leader, and mr. speaker, that we do have agreement. that the two appropriations committees have worked together and the leaders have worked together and we have agreement on those six bills. so our second alternative, the much preferred alternative is to pass those six bills as they have been agreed to, funding those agencies to which those bills apply between now and
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september 30. the end of the fiscal year. and do a c.r. for the balance of the year for homeland security. on lternatively do a c.r. homeland security at some date next year. neither of those alternatives apparently has been pursued by the majority party, mr. speaker. and the president, as i just quoted, says, i am proud to shut down the government. mr. speaker, the leader has said he doesn't want to shut town government. the whip has said he doesn't want to shut down government. the minority leader in the senate has said he doesn't want to shut town government. we don't want to shut down government. but we're at an impasse about one issue. with suggest -- we agree
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95%, wouldn't that make sense for the american people, for us to pass the 95% on which we have reached agreement after hard work all year? and on that which we can agree, agree that we can agree and fight that another day. but here we are, 12 days before christmas. and i would ask the majority leader, do we have a plan? mr. leader do, we have a plan to fund government on or before the 21st of this month so that we can do what all of us say we want to do and that is keep the government operating on behalf of the american people and i yield to my friend the majority leader. mr. mccarthy: i thank my friend for the question.
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i also thank my friend for coming back to where you originally were years ago. earlier this congress, it was not your belief that shutting the government down was bad. and i thank that you learned that lesson. because i didn't think it was helpful when you shut the government down over immigration last time, nobody did, america didn't, we had to put it back to work. my friend is correct that we have an active 75% of the discretionary budget into law -- we have enacted 75% of the discretionary budget into law already. all members should take pride in that even if one side voted no the majority of times. that's bhetter than any congress has been able to do in 25 years. so obviously, 25% remains. my friend is correct, there are 12 days left. we did not want to be here 12 days left. unfortunately, we had a passing of president bush.
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president bush, there's a legacy to lead , he found a way to find compromise. my friend on the other side says there's six of the seven we agree with, but i can't compromise on the seventh. he says that the american public want to make sure it stays open. yeah, we do too. the american public also wants to make sure we're safe. so i think in the spirit of the season, of the time, we should come to an agreement. knowing that neither side will get everything that they want, one side wants nothing to happen. the other side wants a certain number. i think we can find common ground. i think we could get it all done next week. and it's really in my intention and belief that we'll have that vote on this floor. if we can find common ground, keep the government open, very thankful that you believe in that again, as we do.
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and that we finish the job the american public asked for. and when we finish that job, america is stronger, safer, and on a footing to make sure we continue to lead for the 21st century. i yield back. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman for his comment. let me observe with respect to the gentleman's comment, we did send five bills, 75% of government spending, discretionary spending to the president. the president signed them. but when he says it's the best in 25 years, i will remember -- remind him when i was majority lead for the 2007 we passed all 12 bills through this house. mr. mccarthy: not into law. mr. hoyer: we passed all 12 bill, passed them one by one so we could consider each one and they went to the senate. unfortunately, the senate didn't act in a fashion that i would hope. i will tell the gentleman it is
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my intention as majority leader not s all 12 bills necessarily one by one. we like your process, perhaps. i hope you like it as much as you liked it the first time. aye learned from the majority leader's skill and judgment. we may pursue that process and i know you're going to support it because it's your process that we're going to pursue. sort of like your schedule. mr. speaker, we passed all 12 bills. we sent them to the senate. unfortunately, we didn't get them all done. buff the fact of the matter is, this is a process called the legislative process. i just talked at the outset about compromise and working together. we have six of those bills. it so happens we now package everything. maybe we're going to do that in the future, but the fact of the matter is, we have agreement on
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six of the seven bills that remain to be signed by the president of the united states. and the way this process works is, you got agreement on six separate bills. these are not the homeland security, that's where we have a disagreement. i understand that. we cannot pass homeland security right now. but we have agreement on six bills. why shouldn't the plan be we have agreement, in a bipartisan fashion. we can can fund those six agencies. there will be no trauma. and we'll send it. then we can do a c.r. on the homeland security and we can argue about the wall. we can have hearings on the wall. we can have experts come here and say to them how do we make sure america is secure? because every democrat wants to make sure the borders are secure. every democrat.
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we want the border secure. there is a substantive disagreement. by the way, there are republicans who disagree with the wall, as the gentleman surely knows. that it's not the best way to secure the border. and by the way, don't know why we need money for it. the mexicans surely are going to pay for the wall. that's what the president said. the mexicans were going to pay for the wall. to pay nts $5 billion for technology we don't think works. as a result we're holding hostage the six bills on which we have agreement. how frustrated the american people must be when they say, you you know, they agree on /7's of the bills and they wouldn't -- 6/7's of the bills and won't take yes for an answer. to esponse is, i am proud
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shut down the government. mr. leader, i would hope that we could send those six bills on which we have agreement after hard work in the appropriations subcommittee, the appropriations committee, both in the house and senate, and communications between the two bodies. they have reached agreement. we ought to be happy about that. we ought to celebrate that. and we ought to send them to the president. there is no indication he would not sign those bills. as far as i know. and then, yes, we have a disagreement. and the american people have come here to have us debate that, have hearings on that, see what experts say on that. and, frankly, if the wall is what your side wants, then i say to the leader, put a bill on the floor wednesday night and pass the wall. you haven't done that.
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we haven't passed the homeland security bill through this house. got out of committee. you didn't bring it to the floor. we haven't had a vote on it. so there is no consensus on that part of it. so, mr. speaker, let's pass those six bills. let's have a plan that will rk to preclude shutting down the people's government. i hope we can do that. i hope we can can do it. come back wednesday night, and i hope, mr. leader, you have a plan between now and wednesday night to get us to the place where we can do what we have agreed upon or -- and agreed not to aa gree on something that we can't agree -- not to agree on something that we can't agree on and pass it and send it to the president. mr. speaker, i hope we can do that. that's our responsibility.
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that's our duty. duty to have a plan of how to make sure that government continues to operate. and a plan as to how we can have our members and their amilies celebrate one of the highest holy days in christian come -- christiandom. i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank my friend for yielding. i appreciate my friend's comment. i appreciate he told people on his side of the aisle want to have border security. why don't we do the job? for uld we finish a year mediocrity. my friend also said he had passed all the appropriation bills but they never were enacted into law. the most ever done in the last 25 years is what we did this congress. because of the senate and the 60 votes. that is why you had leader
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schumer over there at the same time. because democrats control whether we keep this government open or shut down. they have shown that power before just as they have done earlier in this congress. my friend knows that he wants this country protected. i agree with him 100%. i do not challenge his belief on not the protection of this country. i hope my friend also knows that on that border they catch on average 10 known terrorists a day. homeland security is not like any other appropriations. it's not one we just setaside because we disagree with. this country has known the damage of setting something aside and not paying attention to the warning signs. i think we're better than that. yeah, it might be uncomfortable. we might have to work a little harder. we're going to stay here a little later than we all planned to be.
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but there was other circumstance that is caused that. i think let's do all seven. let's get them all done. let's end on a high note. and probably make your job a little easier in the next congress as well. you won't have to worry about it. but in doing so, i think we're both going to have to do something. we're both going to have to look at the american public in the eye and we both made our arguments of what we wanted. we're going to have to accept that you and i are not going to get 100% of what we want. i'll make this pledge to you right now. i'm willing to find some common ground. what that means is that common ground is we don't leave until we get this done. now, your vote has been funding the wall. you voted for that before. i don't know if you changed your position on that now. but what we're asking for is border security. that means more than just that. i think there is a window, and i think the american public expects it to get done.
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i would hate to leave and go home and say, oh, i finished the majority of everything, but that homeland security, that one that keeps our constituents safe, the one that looks around for whatever can happen to us in any part of this country in so many places, we just did what we did last year. you know that harms the agency. you know that holds them back. and i can't look at somebody's face that maybe lost a loved one because something happens in the future because i want the to leave. because i couldn't find compromise. mr. speaker, i'll make that promise. i will find common ground. and i will take as long as it does inside any room to make that happen. that we do not leave this congress without funding all and making sure homeland not
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living under the same rules they had before. when they know it's a changing society. it's also a changing place for those who want to do us harm. what a c.r. does is locks them in in these continuing resolutions that they can't do something new. what they found that new technology or others to protect us throughout the homeland. so i want to find common ground. i want to protect america. i want to make us safer. and i want to make us stronger. and i make that commitment to you, sir, that we can get it done. i yield back. mr. hoyer: i thank the leader for his comments. what is your plan to do that? we have been now here in this congress, this year, for over 30 days, 340 days. you haven't passed any plan on homeland security. you haven't brought it to the floor. it passed out of committee. you have not brought it to the floor in 340 days.
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leer we're. -- here we're. with agreement on six bills, mr. leader. we have reached agreement. we worked hard to get to that agreement. now, yes, you have a a faction of your caucus that's told you from time to time my way or no way. even when you had agreement on /7's, mr. boehner had the same problem -- 6/7's mr. boehner had the same problem and he decided to leave here because had he my way or no way, my way or whithe, my way or here's your hat and get out. mr. leader you have not told us a plan. we have been discussing this or literally all year. and we have a very significant substantive disagreement. and you haven't brought it to the floor to press your view and send it to the senate.
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we haven't had any debate on this floor on the issue. we're prepared to debate that bill. but what we're not prepared to th of the hostage 6/7 appropriation bills that remain to be done which we have agreed upon, worked on, and ready to go. all you tell me is we're prepared to do that but we have to pass all seven bills f we don't get everything we want, we're not going to do it. i understand, because you have the president of the united states saying i am proud to shut down the government. what kind of irresponsibility is that? he wants the wall. i know he wants the wall. we're a democracy, however. not an awe tock acy. not a -- awe talk acy. -- autoacy, we're a democracy, not a dictatorship. the wall has not passed this house. there is no agreement on the wall. and we think the wall is a bad strategy.
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there are more resources deployed to the south, southern border, than at any time, i think, i haven't checked this exactly, in my service in the congress of the united states. so it's not like we have not put a lot of border patrol, a lot of technology, a lot of fencing. we supported substantial security at the border. now the president wants more. i get that. but we're holding hostage 6/7th's of the appropriation bills, six out of seven, because the president is going to be proud to shut down the wall. i don't want to be too painful, but we had an election just a few weeks ago and the president made it very clear he wanted to build that wall. and he sent troops down to the
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border at tens of millions of dollars cost. of course under the law they can't deal with law enforcement . yes, there were some people that came at the fence and they were pushed back. but the fact of the matter is that there is border security. can we make it better? yes. do we want to make it better? yes. will we work with you to do that? yes. but you are not going to get us to believe something is good that we don't think is good. you can pass it. the president can sign it. i get that. and we lose. but you haven't brought it to the floor. you don't have a plan to get that done. 340 days into the year. saying, mr. speaker, why when we have agreement, i say 6/7th's. very frankly we have an agreement on the homeland security bill except for the
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wall. one item. so essentially we have probably 99% agreement. but it's my way or the highway. with no plan, as i understand it, to get us from where we're today, where we were two weeks ago, and where i am fearful we will be on wednesday at 6:30 p.m. because we have no plan. to get from where we're to where we need to be. we have offered two plans. you don't like either one of them. one was a c.r. for the rest of the year for everything. for the remaining. we don't like that. that's not our plan. but it's one option. we would support that you bring that to the floor. and the other option, of course, is to pass the six bills, we'll vote for them, all of them. you can put them in a package. nd then do a c.r. on the homeland security and we'll have further discussions about that and we'll see what the
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democratic process results in. hadn't passed the house, mr. leader. we're not for it. we're prepared to debate it, if it passes and the president signs it, it will be law, and you'll do it. but don't hold the rest of government hostage. . -- hostage for something on hich there is deep don't hold it hostage for something for which there's disagreement. i implore you. on wednesday, at 6:30, bring those bills to the floor. hopefully your folks who worked to get them in place will vote for them, will pass them and we'll avoid another stupid, as i said, shutdown of the government of the united states and i yield to my friend. the gentleman id yield? mr. hoyer: i did.
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mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. i respect my friend. i even follow my friend on instagram. today is thursday, i almost feel like you're throwing a throwback thursday up. now you call a shutdown stupid but in this kuok that's not what you did. in this congress you actually whipped to have a shutdown. i did think it was stupid then, i think going into a shutdown is stupid now. that's why i want to solve the problem. my friend says, can we make the border better? yes. he keeps talking about the wall. i just talk about security. when you described what's happening along the border, it was interesting. the words you chose. you said there were some people down there. i'm sure the rest of america has watched what's gone down there. gone down there before it even got to mexico. where they broke down their wall and came across.
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where they stormed and they threw things at our border patrol and others. i think the border could be more secure. i know you live in maryland, but to those who live on a border state, maybe we understand this a little differently. now i'm the first one who believes in legal immigration. this has nothing to do with it. this is about keeping the country safe. and if two sides cannot sit down to solve a fundamental problem, it's bad for the country. there's a check and balance as you far well know. last house, there's a senate. and then there's an administration and a president who either signs or vetos a bill. you started the conversation earlier very proud of the fact that you passed all 12 bills. with every done that before too. the test is really the final end, does it get all the way
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there? we're 75% there, 25% should not stop us. we should be able to get it done. but in your quest of what talking about passing all 12 bills, it didn't become law. why? because of the senate. and the 60 votes there. mr. hoyer: will the gentleman yield? are you aware we didn't shut down government. mr. mccarthy: you shut down government. mr. highway wrer: you're talking abhere in this session. i'm pointing out that when you say we didn't pass the appropriation bills when i said we passed all 12 to the house, you did not shut down government. we got to a resolution of the differences between us. what is your plan to do that, mr. leader? mr. mccarthy: my plan to do that is, i need 60 votes in the senate. the gentleman referred to earlier -- mr. hoyer: mr. leader, reclaiming my time.
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everybody likes to talk about the senate. what you have ignored is that i said the bill is in committee. and in 340 days has not been brought to this floor. if that's your policy, you have not brought it to the floor for consideration. and by the way, when you talk about a broader issue of immigration, we agree with you. you have not brought a comprehensive immigration reform bill to the floor either. mr. mccarthy: will the gentleman yield? mr. hoyer: i will yield. mr. mccarthy: i don't want you to get more pi folk owes. we have brought two major reform bills to the floor and not one person on the other side voted for either. my friend knows the hours we've spent in our office discussing with everybody else, trying to come to agreement. but we had two on the floor.
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mr. hoyer: did you pass those bills? why not? mr. mccarthy: you told all your members to vote no, the way you did with children's and every element. mr. hoyer: we didn't vote for it because we didn't like your bills but you're in charge and you have 240 members, all owe needed was 218. we didn't like your bill. so we did what we do when we don't like bills, we vote against them. but you have 240 people sitting on your side of the aisle and you couldn't pass your bill because so many of your members didn't like it. that's why your bill didn't pass. what is your plan, however, between now and 6:30 p.m. on wednesday to get us off this dime that we are stuck on and have been stuck on now for almost the entire year, 12 days from christmas? i yield. mr. mccarthy: i guess my plan is
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you don't want to work with us. i guess the plan is what you've been -- is to go back to the motto earlier in this congress. the gentleman said it's hard to pass bills here. what's interesting in that same quorum study, more bills passed this house in congress than any in modern history. we pass bills, we even do it when your side holds back. when children were worried about health insurance and you held back, we did not. when you war -- when we worried about growing the -- growing the economy and you held back, we did not. when you wereried about trying to shut the government down, we moved forward. when you wanted to solve the immigration problem, we had more than 225 votes on either of those bills, you just have 218 on those bills, there wasn't one on the other side of the aisle, even though there were people on your side of the aisle that said they twooned vote for the bill
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but their leader shi twisted their arms. i'd watch your words, friend. i'm going to look forward to seing how well you do with a new faction coming in on your side. it will be quite interesting to watch. i know my struggles. i hope you don't have the same struggles. but i'll make this promise to you. when we agree, i will be there. we do not have differences because we have parties. we have parties because we have differences. your challenge, you said you continue to bring up the wall. the question would be then, does border security work? having a wall part of that security, does it help? coming from a state that borders, we put a wall, which you had voted foring down in san diego. you know what the results were? a 92% drop of illegals coming across. we built a wall in tucson down 90%.
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el paso, 95. at one time el paso was one of the most dangerous cities in america, and today it's one of the safest. yuma, down 95%. so the question is what is the plan? the plan and the hope, yes, we'll take a bill up, but my hope was that in the spirit of the season it wouldn't be your way or no way. that you would break from this tradition that republicans had to pass everything on their own. look, i put a bill in that i fully fund the wall at $25 billion. i know i'm not going to get that am i going to run away and say, i'm going to vote for nothing? no, because that's not the way our government works. you see, we have to have compromise because of the structure. and i don't want to have a plan where i'm going to sit up here as majority leader, oh, i passed all the bills but none of them became law. i want to make law. i want to solve the problem.
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listen. this is not the time to continue to go through and argue. this is the time to solve the problems. i think -- look, the campaign is over. mr. hoyer: what is the solution? mr. mccarthy: you know what the solution is? sit down with us and come to a compromise. not that it's your way or no way. mr. highway wrer: is the compromise we take the wall or shut town the government? is that this the compromise? mr. mccarthy: if the gentleman will yield, you've already voted for funding of the wall. so my question is, will you now in the last funding, democrats had to vote for it, you voted for it on here, to fund the wall. is the gentleman now saying he does not want to fund any of the wall going forward? mr. hoyer: is your answer to the question, yes, the wall, or we shut down government? mr. mccarthy: i'm not one who
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shuts the government down. i know you hied through that. mr. hoyer: the president, who -- to whom you're very close says so. you say so. you heard the quote, you're tired of hearing it i'm sure, i'm proud, he says, i'm proud to shut down the government. i will shut down the government, absolutely. i'll shut it down. that's what the president said wo days ago. mr. mccarthy: i thought that was your quote from our congress earlier. i don't hold people to what they go through. i realize all the time we had colloquies beforing all the time i studied history is in here. you said a shutdown is bad. i quoted back to you numerous times you quoted that all the way through these. but when the day came you chidged -- changed your ways, you thought a shutdown was right that quote could have been your quote in this congress. so yes. look. mr. hoyer: mr. leader what you talking about? i voted against bills those
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policies i did not agree with and that you said will therefore shut down the government because if we don't agree you couldn't get the majority votes on your side and you couldn't get 60 votes in the senate. which you guys were very, very pleased with when the senate was controlled by democrats. you loved having that 60 vote rule. because what you said is it requires compromise. it requires coming together, having to get 60 votes. it our way or you don't do it. you have not brought a bill, you have not brought a plan to this floor on how to get out of that and mr. leader you have not answered when i said, mr. speaker, essentially, when you say come together, these are your bills. they're not our bills. we had to compromise. these didn't come out of democratic subcommittees. didn't come out of a democratic committee. didn't come out after a democratic senate. these are bills that are your
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bills that we compromised on and we are prepared to vote for 99%. 99%. of those seven bills. 99%. that's compromising, i think, a pretty far way. we don't agree with everything in those bills but you're right. this is a collective body. we've all been elected, we all have one vote. nd we have compromised on 99%. and you're holding it up, you have no plan other than we take the wall or the president of the united states shuts down government. -- shuts down government. that's not the compromise i heard you talking about we ought to have. that's the kind of compromise we're going to have between now and wednesday at 6:30 p.m. mr. leader, we're not going to get there we have compromise on 99%. let's pass it. let's move on.
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i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. i think we might be hitting our average for how long this colloquy goes. mr. hoyer: i'm afraid we're going to almost hit that hour. mr. mccarthy: listen, we should debate ideas but if the idea is what is your plan? it wasn't my plan that we had to do it alone. if we have to, we've proven we've done that before. he knows what will go on to the senate. but if my friend has changed his belief, i don't hold it against you. you might have change your belief. or maybe your belief always was that we should have no border security, i don't know. my friend did acknowledge that there was a great number of people who tried to get into our country and storming the gates. that's not all the bill. the bill is about border security and homeland security. if the idea is, it has to just
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be a c.r. or you can't deal with it you know what my plan has been all along? to work with you. but i'm not hearing that you're even willing to work with us. that -- i'm saying i'm willing to compromise. you have already voted for part of border security to be part of the wall. you don't even want to sit down and discuss. how much should that be? how much border security should we have. should we allow -- is 10 terrorists a day ok with you coming across the board her it's not with me. is 2,000 people inadmissible coming across? is that ok with you? it's not with me. it takes away from those like our own relatives who have come here legally. i was just at a naturalization a few months ago. i sat there inside this service, i watched individuals with such pride raising their hands. you know what i told them? george washington is now their founding father. abraham lincoln was their liberator.
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martin luther king spoke of their dreams. and the flag that sitz on the moon is their flag today. and i want them to be safe. and i don't know what those terrorists have planned when they come across the border or when those people storm the gates. but i do know we have a responseability -- a responsibility that i can't get everything that i want but i think a responsibility that we find security, that we protect our own border security at the same time. i think there's a window that we can do this. i don't want so my plan was to do it with you. if you're saying to me, you can't, then i have to change my plan just as it did when it came to the children's health insurance, when it came to shut the government down over daca. we believe the government should stay open. that's my plan. will you join with us? will you make sure we don't shut down and make sure that we put america stronger and safer for
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the future? i don't want to leave work for you to get done. you are excited about your majority, i want you to be successful. i may smile with the challenges with the people that are coming in and i will be here to debate when we disagree, but when we agree, i will be right with you. i think this is a window to show coming in even to all those new freshmen and those who are leaving, that we did the very best with the moments that we had for the future of this country. i yield back. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman for yielding. mr. speaker, what i hear, the majority leader's plan is that e give up. 99% of the homeland security
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bill, i presume, and believe, is directed at securing our borders. we have agreed with 99% of it. probably 99.9%. probably not true in dollar value. but the plan is for us to give up. because 99% is not good enough for us to agree with. got to be 100%. if that's the plan, it's not going to work. the bill has not been brought to this floor ever this year. it is worthy of debate as to how we keep our borders most secure. as i have said, many republicans including very frankly, the second ranking member of the senate on the republican side, who has questions about the wall .
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he's from texas. a lot of texans don't think the wall make sense, republicans and democrats. maybe not all, but some. but if the plan is we just give , that's agreeing to 99% no plan at all, unless the gentleman wants to say something. mr. mccarthy: in the spirit of the season, i have a little gift . it comes from a little shop in my hometown family owned excited about what we have been able, a little candy, might sweeten the pirit and more in like to work with us. mr. hoyer: i must say, mr. speaker, i have a serious suspicion -- i trust the
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majority leader that i believe that gift was probably purchased [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org >> funding expires on december 21. there will be a partial government shutdown that will include the state department, homeland security, justice department, the environmental protection agency and other parts of the federal government. some agencies have already been funded and will remain open. the house and the senate are expected to consider house spending bills. you can watch the house live here on c-span and the senate on c-span-2. >> c-span's "washington journal" live every day on policy issues. coming up friday morning, internet data with the future of
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