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>> the candidates in the maine governor's race republican shawn , moody, democrat janet mills, independence participated in a debate on they are running to thursday. replace paul lepage. listsok political report the race as a tossup. >> this is a special commitment 2018 presentation, the gubernatorial debate. broadcasting across the entire state of maine, here is your host, meghan torjessun. >> good evening and welcome to the debate. we are coming to you tonight from the campus of university of maine at augusta. this debate is broadcasting statewide thanks to our partnerships. we will ask the audience to
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please refrain from applause except for now as we introduce the candidates hoping to be maine's next governor. independent alan caron. [applause] >> independent terry hayes. [applause] >> democratic nominee janet mills. [applause] >> republican nominee shawn moody. [cheers and applause] >> are questions tonight will -- our questions tonight will be asked by our editorial panel. paul merrill, john small, and katie zerilli. [applause] we have kind of gone through this a little bit before we went to air, but each candidate will
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have one minute to answer the questions. you will see the traffic light that you can use as a visual guide. we have a producer in our production truck keeping the official time, but this is a visual guide when you start answering your question it will turn green, when you have 15 seconds left, you will see yellow, and when time is up, you will see red. we begin with one minute statements from each of the candidates. we are going enough about a -- in alphabetical order. so, we begin with mr. caron. mr. caron: thank you very much. despite what you are hearing from your television, there are four good people on the panel here. we will survive the election of any of them. [laughter] but that does not mean that any of them will help us grow. this campaign and this election really isn't about personality, it is not even about political party, it is about who can provide positive leadership that
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can bring us together and lift us up. i lifted myself from poverty to prosperity is a small businessman. i went from working with my hands in construction to writing books about maine's future. i see what maine can become if we have leadership and vision, if we have the courage to embrace new ideas. maine has great potential, but we have to find strong, effective, and caring leadership. >> thank you. terry hayes. >> i think all of you who came out tonight to hear the conversation we are going to have. my name is terry hayes and i want to be your next governor. is the first independent state treasurer, i worked for the republican administration and
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with lawmakers on both sides of the aisle to balance the budget and pay our bills on time, just like you folks do at home. i'm looking for a promotion to the role of governor. i think a nonpartisan in this capacity is in the best interest of the state. someone who talks straight, tells the truth, and puts people over partisanship at every opportunity. i don't see maine as divided or divisive. i see us as one, large piece of geography with a lot of people spread out. i know that we can do our public policy work better if we do it together. i am terry hayes and i'm going to ask for your vote on november 6. thank you for coming. >> thank you. janet? ms. mills: thank you, earlier this week, i got to greet a brand new baby girl in my family. nine pounds of joy, love, and hope. i thought as i awaited her arrival, what kind of world would she know growing up in maine? what kind of air will to
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ofshe breathed, what kind water will she drink? what can public education will she have? in 11 days coming your vote will determine the kind of world all of our children grow up and. -- and. will you turn back the clock or will you vote for a future that is bristling with hope, opportunity, prosperity? as your governor, i will fight for health care you can afford. for an economy that rewards hard work. for public schools where every child has a chance to succeed. i'm running for governor because i know that the best chapter in our history has yet to be written and i want to write it with all of you. thank you. >> mr. moody. mr. moody: maine voters have an important decision to make on november 6 and the only candidate with over 40 years of job creation and growing maine's economy, i'm an outsider, i'm a businessman. now is not the time to turn augusta back over to
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politicians. they would like you to believe they have the answers to our problems. the fact is politicians are a major cause of our problems. some say you can't run a state like a business, i say we cannot afford not to. i can't wait to roll up my sleeves and go to work for you. i'm asking for your vote on november 6. maine's best days are ahead of us if we work together. let's get it done. [cheers and applause] >> please refrain from applause. it just takes away time from the candidate. we're going to move on to our editorial panel. the first question will go to terry hayes. >> thank you. thank you to all of the candidates for joining us tonight. the first question is on jobs and the economy and it comes from a twitter user. he asks, what actions can you take as governor to help keep
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young people in maine and make our state younger? ms. hayes: thank you for the question. i spent the early part of the afternoon in portland. we were focused exactly on this question. there was an exercise for leadership graduates. how are we going to attract the skills that we need and other -- keep other people in maine and attract other people to come? there were a plethora of ideas. it was astounding to me. what is it that we love about maine and why are we all here? how many of us came as adults? what brought us here. -- here? how do we lead with those things that are precious to us? recognizing that we have things that people from around the globe want. people from across the country want. we need to focus on those and recognize that if we don't succeed at this, our economy is going to contract and we won't be able to afford the things that we need, never mind the things that we want.
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so, there were smart people working on this problem and i'm looking forward to working with them. thank you. ms. mills: i have a couple of grandsons in public high schools in maine. young people want to be connected first and foremost. we are not connected in maine. we don't have adequate cell phone service or adequate broadband. it is something i'm going to work on starting on day one. we want jobs of the future, as well as jobs of the present. we need more people in trades. that is why i created four new plumbing programs. i am proud of that. i am working on a computer sciences curriculum in middle schools and high schools. it is why i want to create broadband hubs. it is why my economic expansion plan includes a welcome home program to bring young people back to maine, and it includes co-working spaces.
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i want an affordable education for every child in maine so families will move back to maine and stay to raise their children here. that is what is important, connectivity and good paying jobs. i will work for that on day one. mr. moody: this is the number one challenge, but yet opportunity facing our state. some people see it as a perfect storm, i see it as a perfect opportunity, the democratic -- demographic shift that affects the state. i have been working on the school business roundtable we founded six years ago with our high school. the community leaders, working on partnership programs, internships, job shadowing. during manufacturing businesses -- touring manufacturing businesses around the area to let them know what opportunities exist. i'm the only person in the state's history to serve on both boards.
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you can transfer credit seamlessly from the community college and keep the cost of tuition down and an opportunity to get an affordable quality education in the state of maine. finally i lived the american , dream at the age of 17. a small business owner and taxpayer before i was allowed to -- old enough to vote. we are going to rekindle the entrepreneurial spirit to rekindle the american dream. let them work and experience of the american dream. mr. caron: young people leaving is a symptom of a deeper problem. like so many other problems that we are confronting. the deeper problem is a flat economy without opportunities for young people. that is why they are leaving. that is why they won't come back unless we change the direction of the state. we have been talking about the same economic ideas for 30 or 40 years in the state. one party has one set, the other has another set. sometimes, we go backwards. we never go forward.
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we need some big, bold ideas on how to build a younger economy, how to stop trying to re-create yesterday's jobs and start growing tomorrow's jobs. that is what will keep young people here. that is what will bring them back. everything else is a gimmick. we've got to fix this economy and we need some big ideas to do it. >> we turn back to our panel. paul merrill has the next question from social media. speaking about young people, this may specifically refer to them. >> we are talking a lot about education. this question is from twitter. the question is what is your specific plan to help solve the student loan debt crisis in our country and state? >> and this question goes to janet. ms. mills: great question. i don't know that i can solve the problem nationally, although i'm one of the people holding betsy devos accountable for rolling back protections.
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i am proud of the action i have taken as your attorney general. at the state level, i have a plan and it includes expanding opportunity in maine, making more available, streamlining it, making it more simple to use. that kind of thing. i've got a plan in my economic action program for reducing student debt, giving tax credits to people moving back to maine, and allowing them to pay down their student debt using the state income tax code to do that. i've also started a financial literacy program at the university of maine, system-wide, all seven campuses, so a peer-to-peer group will help students avoid getting into much debt to begin with. avoid getting credit cards and that kind of thing. so, i'm interested in supplementing the mainstay grant program, providing for and reducing school debt.
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mr. moody: again, working on the university system, we have kept tuition flat the last 5-7 years. the community college has the lowest tuition in new england. we need to reduce student loans. we need to make college affordable to begin with. do isher thing we need to private partnerships with our business community. they are paying $5,000 to $10,000 in hiring bonuses. we can use the private sector to give tuition loan reimbursement and college loan forgiveness. they are anxious to do it. they need to attract people back here to the state. it is not always the government trying to take care of things. the private sector can help us to make sure students are not in over their heads when they graduate from college. financial literacy is the key. letting the teenagers work in the summer to get an idea of the value of a dollar so that of
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have those loans when they are in school. thank you. >> alan, your thoughts? mr. caron: you could have an eighth grade education and do just fine when my folks were young and we did not make them pay for it. it was public, we were all in together. my oldest sister and brother could get a high school education and do fine. including tactical skills that we do not have an high schools right now. they could do fine. and we did not make them pay for it. we did not make them go in debt to get through high school. in the 21st century, you need more skills than high school, everybody does, but we make people pay and it is segregating our society between those who have money and those who don't. i put out last week a big plan for sustainable prosperity in maine and you can find it on my website. karen for it has eight ideas to jumpstart maine. one of them is education. two years of free higher education if you stay and work
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in maine for 10 years. that is what we offer young people. in exchange, people are putting down roots and starting families here. -- building families here. >> i would say i'm not a real fan of negating personal responsibility for people who took out loans. i would rather delay -- that is not the right word -- i would limit how much money you borrow before then worry about who else is going to pay it back. increase the savings for college. it is much less expensive to save for college than it is to borrow for college. for folks who are not going to be there for more years, we should actively encourage this. we have a good program to the finance authority of maine. finish into or finish in if you fourth. start a two-your program, don't do it until you are ready.
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what drives of the debt is the length of time it links people to get through. i would suggest any remediation should not be done at the college or university level. that is the most expensive place to do it. do that in the adult education programs. those will bring down some of the cost. make sure you know with the endgame looks like when you are signing. >> thank you. we have a specific follow-up for sean about education. anybody who has been near a screen has seen one of the ads attacking you about something you said earlier this year area -- you will get a crack at the question. we wanted to have you set the record straight about that, we heard from a lot of viewers. the question comes from south portland. >> i saw the commercial for moody talking about education system being overfunded. i would like to learn a little bit more about that. mr. moody: thank you. i'm glad to get the opportunity. that was cut out of a soundbite. i think it was pretty obvious that they did not get the rest
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of the story. the thing i want to emphasize is our work on the university system, we did $80 million. that is returning $80 million. we need to do that pre-k-12 system. we have a lot of duplication and administrative overhead. we need to take those dollars and put those back to the teachers and in the classrooms. maine has the second highest ratio of overhead for students and new england and we have the lowest amount for student going into the classroom. >> do you still feel that education is overfunded. -- overfunded? mr. moody: it is not a question of overfunded? it is where those dollars are going, prioritizing the dollars to help the educators get paid more, that they deserve, and take the administrative overhead costs, like we did in the university system, i have a track record that we can do it.
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>> we're going to switch gears now. you will also get the first crack at the next question. >> there has been an intense focus on maine's department of health and human services following the deaths of two young girls whose families had contact with dhhs. as governor, how would you protect maine's children and what changes would you make to dhhs? mr. moody: that is a heartbreaking event. i think we are all sensitive to that. my wife and i have four children. it gets to the institutional nature of big organizations, especially government. they become bureaucratic, they become top down. it is like "horton hears a woo." they don't have the opportunity to get the message that we don't have a good quality of service.
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what we do in private enterprise is we have a customer satisfaction process in the private sector. we know the people that we serve and the best places to work in maine, there is a comprehensive survey process we can do so dhhs can speak safely about the performance from leadership and the how they have been able to do their job on the ground. that is what we are lacking in government. it is too top-down and we need to make it more horizontal. mr. caron: it is easy to make speeches about making government smaller. it is a very difficult thing to do. eight years ago, i cowrote this book, "reinventing maine government." i recommend it to everyone. you can get a capsule version online. it lays out in detail how the state is different than others. how we spend a higher percent of our income on government than any rural state we could find and how we can save money
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without putting people in the coffers. i'm the only candidate on this panel who has called for a 10% reduction in the size of the government over the next eight years. i think we can do that well maintaining essential programs. you can't do this by rushing in with a sledgehammer and just wailing away at the things you don't like. there has to be a plan and a strategy and you have to do it in a very smart way. that is what we have not done recently and now we are correcting all of the mistakes that were made early on in this administration. ms. hayes: the first thing i would say from a structural perspective is that i would like to separate health and human services into a department of health care and a department of human services. there is such a thing as being too big. i think that department is too big. i spent 28 years and i worked
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with children who were custody of the state. i learned something in the process. we have a significant tendency to over medicate children in care. i'm concerned about that. that becomes a particular problem because as the children get older, the impact of that medication prevents them from being optimal and be able to care for themselves as adults. i want to take a really close look at that. i don't think children in state custody should be medicated any more often than children who are not. i think we need to pay and prepare caseworkers better in terms of mandated reporting and how they are doing investigations. ms. mills: thank you. my office is in the trenches every day trying to protect every day trying to protect -- my office is in the trenches every day trying to protect maine's children and we have about 2000 cases at any given
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time. those are very hard cases to deal with. i'm afraid the current administration has turned the department of health and human services into something that is not user-friendly, something that discourages people from seeking help. i will tell you one thing, there are two things i will do as governor. i will call back in the children's cabinet. when a child dies, it is a department of corrections problem. when cdc is looking for a troubled child, it is not just an education problem. when somebody needs help, someone will answer the phone when i'm governor. that is the second thing i will do. make sure if the child abuse complaint, there will be someone to look into it. government needs to be responding. >> that is time. a quick follow up, maybe a yes
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or no. would you support making dhhs records public after a child dies? can you give me a yes or no? mr. caron: no, i can't give you a yes or no. >> ok. mr. caron: i would need to know more, i'm sorry. ms. hayes: the child's record is a big, encompassing piece. the answer would be no, you would need to break it down more for me. there are parts of it that probably should be, but not necessarily the entirety. ms. mills: that is not a yes or no question, i'm sorry, but such records could partially be available, but they are covered by several laws. mr. moody: yes, the private requirements to protect people's privacy regardless of their age. >> partially public? mr. moody: i don't think that is something that you can carve out one situation. it could create a legal
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challenge. >> we will move on. john, our next question? >> it is about climate change and renewable energy sources. what is your plan to prepare maine for the impacts of climate change and transition the state to renewable energy sources? alan? mr. caron: the first thing we can do to prepare for climate change is to it knowledge that it is a problem. it is a huge problem. it will get worse. there is no scientific debate about climate change anymore. it is only a political debate. here is another bold idea. commit the state to energy independence in the next 30 years. we have technology coming online now particularly in solar and in
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storage that will enable us for the first time in over a century to produce our own energy. we export $5 billion a year to oil and gas companies. i want you to imagine what would happen in maine if $5 billion stayed here and was reinvested in education, reinvested in small business development, and reinvested in health care. that is a transformative change in our economy and the single greatest thing we can do about climate change. >> thank you. >> there are good people across the state of maine already working on this. it is not that we were unaware that it was coming. i would say that there are certain institutions that have been spending quite a bit of time because the coast is going to be the biggest impact in terms of property and where we have built infrastructure and how we are going to deal with that. so, joining in those conversations and supporting those efforts at the local level, i think it is the governor's responsibility.
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the other piece of this renewable energy, there are for-profit companies in the state of maine that have been dealing with renewable energy and renewable energy products and opportunities for us, and i want to encourage them to continue that work. if there are things that are doing that is making it harder, i want to figure out if we can change that. i'm not a real fan of picking winners or losers. i want the marketplace and all of you to make those decisions about what is going to work best. ms. mills: the question is, what about climate change? i think the first thing to do is to accept it forthrightly, admit that it exists, and that human activity causes it. then we do with prevention and mitigation. prevention by reducing our carbon footprint, reducing the impact of transportation, which is 50% of our carbon footprint. encouraging electric vehicles, electric charging stations, reducing that footprint.
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i talked to someone who said that anybody who thinks climate change is not has not fished on my boat. i know it is real. lobsters are moving north. we see oceans rising. we see ocean acidification. we have to deal with mitigation. prepare our communities, make them resilient to the rising ocean and the warming sea. those are things we can do. i could talk for an hour about this. mitigation and prevention for both things -- both of these are things we take action on now. we have to move forward. mr. moody: obviously, climate change has been around since the creation of earth. humans obviously to contribute to the changing climate. we have been a leader in the environmental movement. 10 years ago, we participated in the carbon challenge.
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we going to revitalize that. we set voluntary goals, adding efficient lighting, equipment, we have been named a leader, and environmental leader by the dep, our solar rig system at the maine audubon campus produces 75% of their electrical use. we have been an environmental leader and champion. -- in the carbon challenge and lowering the carbon footprint. we have an active, proven track record of success and we will continue that as your next governor. >> right now, we're going to take a quick break. after the break, more questions, including questions about health care, more specifically how the state will deal with the opioid crisis. we will be right back. ♪ welcome back to our statewide debate. featuring the candidates running to the man's next governor.
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let's get right back to the questions. we are going to start with paul merrill. you have a question about health care. comes fromstion fairfield, video question. take a listen. >> what can be done to help families keep their elders home longer? >> ok, we will start with you alan and work our way down. mr. caron: the first thing we could do and what we should have done a long time ago is expand medicare. every two years we go to the polls as voters and we are asked whether we want to accept the transportation bond and the deal is if we put a dollar on the table, the federal government will put a dollar on the table and we all go yoo-hoo and we run off gleefully. in the case of health care, the federal government offered to us nine dollars on the table if we would find one dollar and we said, i don't know where in the world do we find a dollar?
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why do we care more about roads then people? this is a very simple matter. we need health care. we are the richest society in human history. we have millions of people without health care, but our priorities are wrong. ms. hayes: it is a good question. many families are dealing with this right now. part of the challenge is that when you qualify for assistance for medicaid programs for help in your home, we are not reimbursing, we raised the minimum wage, but we have not raised the reimbursement rate. the agency that has been providing this kind of care and support, we are not adequately funding them. we have created a real squeeze. it has made it impossible for them to meet their budget. at a time when the need is growing, the capacity to meet the need is shrinking. the first thing we have to do is recognize that and address the
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reimbursement rate. so the folks who need the services can get them consistently. think about it, if you need help at home with an elderly family member, you don't want that individual providing that care rotating in and out. it makes it even more uncomfortable. we need to address the pay and the compensation for folks to do the most important work. ms. mills: i think i know it little bit about home health care. i moved my mother-in-law in with us the last three years of her life and helped take care of her and got home health care for her, as much as i could while working a full-time job and while dealing with my husband, who was sick as well. and dealing with the kids who had their own needs. we have elders who need help and young people who still need your help, as well. i want to look at what the state of washington, pennsylvania have done. expanding their waiver programs for home and community health care. let's see if we can draw down
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more federal dollars for home health care and make sure people can stay in their homes and be safe. i also think we should look at broadband as part of tele-health. to help people stay in their homes. we should look at aging in place communities. a lot of communities are making sure there are ramps so people can stay in their home. the governor can lead in this way, as well. that is what i would like to do is your governor. mr. moody: this is -- we are an aging state. that is a demographic. that is why we have to be so focused on attracting and recruiting former mainers to come back. we are at full employment. reunite families so they can take care of their parents and grandparents, like we have for generations. we also need to find a way responsibly and sustainably to fund it. as far as health care costs, we
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have built health care, our premiums are $1 million. that is how much health care costs for a small business. we know about health care costs. we have driven costs down 20% in private practice and we will be able to do that for the maine people. elders out there, we need to make sure day are not lonely, they have support, and they can stay there as long as they want to. property tax is another big key. we have to keep property tax in check so we don't force elders out of their homes. >> in our primary debate, you said you would work to repeal medicaid expansion. would you still? mr. moody: i think that was prior to the legislature being in session and making it a law. it is a law that we have to uphold as the governor. >> so you would not? mr. moody: no, no. >> our next question -- it comes
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from a millennial. katie: this question comes from the maine millennial on twitter. what would you do to help those struggling with addiction, both opioid addiction and addiction to legal substances such as alcohol and cigarettes? moderator: terry, we will start with you. mr. hayes: thank you. i like the name, the maine millennial. from my perspective, one of the biggest challenges we have when addressing substance use and substance abuse is the shame that comes along with the brain disease. people who find themselves have -- and they did have great difficulties reaching out for help in a timely fashion. there is shame and judgment, and we need to change that. these are family members, friends, they have a brain disease. we need infrastructure in place so when they are ready for help, they are not put on hold. that means not on a waiting list.
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if you have an addiction challenge and you are reaching out, we can't expect you to wait three months, three weeks, or six months. i think we have to change -- lead with compassion on this issue. we can't afford to lose more mainers to this. i will do that as your governor. lead with compassion and make it easier for folks to get the help they need. moderator: janet. ms. mills: i'm glad that the question addressed not just opioid abuse but alcohol, too. this is something i have been working on for years, prosecuting operating under the influence cases, drug and alcohol related criminal cases. as attorney general, i have fought the hard fight. as the attorney general, i drew pharmaceutical moneys and settlements to buy narcan. without life-saving drugs -- we've saved lives with that drug.
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a 26-year-old woman was saved who was four months pregnant. i'm doing what i am doing because i feel like getting the job done. getting something done whenever i can. but i have a very comprehensive plan to deal with the opioid epidemic, and it involves hub-and-spoke treatment, prevention, education, and enforcement. moderator: shawn. mr. moody: thank you. i'm very passionate about this. it is ripping our families apart. we need resource law enforcement adequately. these are gangs. these are criminal organizations that target our most vulnerable. we need to have a treatment set up that would encourage sober houses. i am an advocate of peer-to-peer sobriety. no one can help someone to a path of society, someone who has been there -- better than
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someone who has been there. at the base of all of this is the mental health system. i vow to be constructed mental health system here in the state of maine. people try to self medicate and they get into drugs and substance abuse disorder. they need treatment and they are filling our jails, the schools are dealing with it. that is one thing i am passionate about. the mental health system. my mom struggled when she was younger. i became my mom's legal medical guardian in 1994, and it gave her a stability that she didn't get into alcohol or anything like that, but i got her back in the job market, and she lived a great quality life because of it. moderator: thank you. alan? mr. caron: i lost a nephew to this issue who i used to babysit when he was a kid. nothing has frustrated me more than watching government in gridlock over this issue while people were dying. there has not been a better example of dysfunction in government. one party saying we want more law enforcement. the other party saying we want more treatment. guess what? we need both.
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we should have found a deal a long time ago. we should have found common ground instead of letting people die. i will say again that this isblem, like so many others, a symptom of a deeper problem. the loss of hope. the loss of opportunity among maine people. until we find solutions to the problem, we are going to be fighting the symptoms of that disease over and over again. we don't have enough money to do that. moderator: can you tell me where you stand -- we will go this way down the line on safe injection sites? are you for or against them? mr. moody: i think we have to have them. ms. mills: i agree. ms. hayes: not at this time. mr. caron: that's not the answer. we need to address the issue, the root cause. a lot of it centers around mental health. moderator: jon, next question.
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jon: most would agree there is clearly a problem in america regarding mass shootings. even though maine is considered a safe state, what would you do as governor to prevent any mass shooting incidents from happening here? and answer with ideas that could draw bipartisan support. moderator: janet, we will start with you. ms. mills: great question. i am pleased to say that i worked across the aisle just this spring, in april. worked with one of my primary opponents and with republicans in the sports alliance of maine to draft a bill that got support from the judiciary committee. a bill that they are calling the red flag bill that would allow a judge to take evidence based on documented evidence, allow a judge to forfeit the right to have firearms temporarily for a person who is determined to be dangerous in a serious way. that would be preventing suicide, domestic violence, it would be preventing potential mass shootings, as well.
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it was carefully crafted to about two process and allow right to restore the right to have firearms, and it got unanimous support and it went through the house and senate and it got vetoed by the governor, and the republicans in the house failed to override the veto. that is an example of bipartisan work, and i would continue that kind of work as the governor of the state of maine. moderator: shawn. mr. moody: remember, we talked about root cause. mental health. what happens when somebody goes in and takes innocent people's lives. they are not mentally well. nobody stable would consider doing anything like that. so root cause. i would do -- as your next governor, to ensure, we would have a school resource officer in every high school in the state of maine as a start. our friend became a school resource officer when it was controversial to have an armed uniformed police officer in the high school.
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the things he went in there -- the things he discovered when he went in there working with those kids, especially the at-risk kids. he can determine what is going on, either drugs in the class, whose hanging around with who. the value of having that officer in our high schools is invaluable. i have to encourage everyone, we have to have a school resource officer at every high school in the state of maine. that would be priority one is your next governor. moderator: alan caron. mr. caron: it's another issue where toxic partisan overstatement has made it impossible to find common sense, common ground solutions. we are losing the practice of common sense. we don't need to fix chicago and new york's problems with bills in maine, but we can't also accept the position that anything we do is somehow going to take away everybody's guns. i mean, we have just gone to extreme on this debate.
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-- gone too extreme on this debate. we don't have a lot of problems in maine. thankfully. but, we should be able to find common ground on common sense solutions, like ensuring that people who have already been violent to their spouses don't have more tools to be more violent. like people who have obvious mental health problems, we've got to restrict that somehow. we cannot even have this debate. we can't even start these conversations without somebody saying, oh, you are taking away my guns, or let's get rid of all of the guns. that's crazy. let's go back to common sense. moderator: terry hayes. ms. hayes: when we talk about root causes, the root cause isn't the firearm. the root cause is the hands it is in. i think we start by not raising young people who feel so marginalized and so alienated from their peers that this seems like a reasonable option to them. we all contribute to that. we are all members of our
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community. what are we willing to do to make sure we are connected with the young people in our community? they are real for us. they are part of the fabric. that is where this is coming from. it is coming from youth that have been alienated. i'm suggesting to you, if there's any change that i would advocate in our firearms laws, it would be around background checks, and that would be it. i would correct the issues with the referendum question, so you can do familial transfers without that being illegal. that is about the only change i would make to the firearm laws, but i would focus on how we are raising our children and how we are interacting with young people, so they know they have a place in the community and we respect their place. jon: we have a follow-up question on this topic that is a question directly for janet mills. you have received both in a and -- an a and f rating from lobbying groups supporting the second amendment. which grade reflects more closely where you stand on the
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issue? ms. mills: one was asking whether pro or con. i did not fill out several questionnaires from gun advocates because they were national questions and didn't relate to maine law. or maine people. so, when i was in the legislature, i got a grades from the sportsman alliance and the nra for protecting hunting lands. for protecting no net loss. that's what they said in their brochures. that was 14 years ago. i don't know if the nra approved of the actions i took in april, supporting a red flag bill, but i didn't ask them. the sportsman alliance of maine did approve that and did support the testimony. that is where i stand. moderator: thank you, janet. we are going to move onto a rapidfire round now. in the interest of time, not all of them are yes or no questions, but if you could just kind of list so we can get everybody in.
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we're going to do these in order starting with shawn and moving down the line. i will be asking the questions. shawn, let's start with this one -- and each of you will answer these questions. if elected, what will be you number one legislative priority on day one? mr. moody: i think i would want to introduce a bill that would make sure that we had a school resource officer in every high school. it is that important to our youth. we need to make sure they are safe, they respect law enforcement, and it sets the tone for the at-risk kids dealing with mental health issues as they surface in our young school population. moderator: janet. ms. mills: the first legislative priority is the budget. that will include medicaid expansion on day one. moderator: terry. ms. hayes: medicaid expansion.
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separate from the budget. because the budget won't be due until february. mr. caron: meeting the 55% requirement that the voters asked us to meet 14 years ago. for education. moderator: shawn, do you believe health care is a human right? mr. moody: you know, that's an interesting question. because of course, everybody has a right to access affordable health care. that was the genesis behind the affordable care act and we see how that has turned out. premiums have increased at up to 25% a year. that is not sustainable. i believe in the private free-market principle that brings competition to the state of maine, so that people can go out and buy affordable health care. it is blocked right now. we will tear down the barriers. and let small employers buy affordable health insurance. ms. mills: the question is? moderator: do you believe health care is a human right?
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ms. mills: yes. ms. hayes: yes. mr. caron: we gave away a trillion dollars in tax cuts to corporate america last year. 30% decline in corporate tax rates, but we don't have enough money for health care. it is a human right. yes. moderator: we're going to move on. i believe, paul, you may have a follow-up for mr. moody? paul: yep. shawn, again, i think your opponents made an ad out of this. in the primary, you said you do not think health care is a human right. mr. moody: let's distinguish human right. to me, you have a right to have accessible and affordable health care, provided through private practice and private means. it's america. free capitalism. that's the way the market is supposed to function. paul: thank you. moderator: rapidfire continues with this question. who did you vote for? shawn? >> which election? moderator: in 2016 -- excuse me. [laughter] moderator: in 2016.
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for president. >> county commissioner -- [laughter] moderator: for president. mr. moody: i wrote in ben carson. ms. mills: i voted for clinton. ms. hayes: i did not vote for president in 2016. mr. caron: i can't remember a worse choice for president. i voted reluctantly for hillary clinton. moderator: we're going to move on to paul. you had a question that was sent in to us from twitter. paul: i think you will have a minute each for this question, because it's a big question. do you support a woman's right to make her own health care decisions, including the decision of whether or not to have an abortion? why or why not? mr. caron: i think it is
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interesting that conservatives are always arguing that we have to get government off the backs and out of their lives. and that government, it ought to be freedom and liberty, unless, apparently, we're talking about a woman's choice. i just can't reconcile that contradiction. i think absolutely, this is a choice for a woman and for her medical professionals and her family. government has no place in the middle of that decision. moderator: terry. ms. hayes: ditto. i think about this, we're not asking this question about men and their health care, ok? [laughter] why is that? as alan said, these are decisions that are tough, made by individuals, and i support the women, their right to make that decision in conjunction with their medical providers. like i said, are we going to have the same conversation about men and their health care?
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that would be interesting. [laughter] ms. mills: yes. safe and legal abortion is a medical procedure to be chosen by woman in consultation with her doctor. mr. moody: i am pro-life. i don't and i wouldn't allow any taxpayer funding to abortions in the state of maine. i'm also a parent. my wife and i have a daughter and now two beautiful grandchildren. i don't think it is right that a parent be blocked out of -- whether it is a decision or just being notified -- if you have a teenager that is put in a place or put in a position to have to make a decision like that. so i would advocate to have parents be involved in children as teenagers to address something that is so life-changing or could be life threatening if there is a problem. moderator: thank you.
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we are going to go to jon now with our next question. we are roughly running out of time, so if you can -- ok, my producer is telling me that you each have one minute. so you have the full allotted time. [laughter] jon: this is not a yes or no question. you will have a minute to answer. curious. tell us about a time, each of you, when you were wrong and you changed your position on a policy issue. moderator: terry, you go first. ms. hayes: that was a lot of time to think that answer out. >> you get a minute. [laughter] mr. hayes: ok. so, i can recall a vote that i took that i changed my position on, and so i will use that one. it was a question around the ability of the state employees association to have pay dock for them to pay a fair share, and we made it legal for that corporation to take money away
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from workers without their permission. generally, the only thing you can take out of your paycheck without a court judgment is your taxes, and my first term in the legislature, we passed this law and i voted with my party at that time, and once i understood more of what it was about, i reversed my decision and pursued changing that so the exception was not a statute, that we did not treat any one corporation different than the others. ms. mills: and i back up and clarify one thing on the last question? maine has a parental consent law, and parents are allowed to be part of the decision that a teenager makes regarding abortion -- excuse me -- with a judicial bypass. a child cannot talk to the parents as a judicial bypass. secondly, on something i may have changed my mind on, i would say in the early 2000's, when i was in the legislature, i dealt with the issue of marriage
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equality, and we talked about domestic partnerships, and we helped draft a bill on domestic partnerships. it wasn't until 2009 that i realized that marriage equality was the way to go. marriage was appropriate for gay and lesbian couples as it was for heterosexual couples. that is what in 2009 when i read the case law, and i listened to the advocates on all sides and made my decision then. mr. moody: i have not been in the legislature. i have been siloed in that area. but i will say this. as a citizen and as a voter, i haven't been in favor of marijuana, but in 2010, the medicinal marijuana law came through, and my grandmother, nana moody, suffered from breast cancer, and it was the one drug that would ease her nausea. i was kind of mortified that my
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grandmother was taking marijuana, to be honest with you. [laughter] mr. moody: but i am a compassionate person and i said, if this is going to bring people and help their pain and help the nausea, so i was opposed at first, but i voted for medicinal marijuana in 2010. mr. caron: well, it was not on marijuana, because i grew up in the 1960's -- [laughter] mr. moody: we had a different view of things. we have been waiting for the rest of you to come along. [laughter] mr. moody: look, i used to believe we should tax the rich a lot more, and i still believe that at the national level. when we built the middle class and dwight eisenhower -- the top rate for rich people was 90% to 96%, and now is the third of that, and we can't sustain our infrastructure. but i did support higher taxes for rich maine people until i
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figured out after studying the economy that when you do that, once it is time, people move and -- one state at a time, people move and they go to another state. so that's an area where i have really not a fault, but i have -- not evolved, but i have learned more, which is what i like to do. moderator: thank you. thank you to all of the candidates. i would like to say thank you to the mainers who sent in questions via twitter. anybody at home, our audience, we appreciate you coming out tonight. that is all the time we have this evening. a special thank you to university of maine augusta for hosting this statewide debate. remember, election day is november 6. have a great night. [applause] >> thank you. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its
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synagogue that claimed 11 lives was a topic of discussion on the sunday news shows. it began with expert mayor renting to president trump's suggestion of armed guards at religious facilities. we hear from oklahoma republican senator and democratic california congressman on the tone of the political debate today. i belong to an organization of i partisan -- a bipartisan organization called mayors against illegal guns. i do not think the answer to the problem is solved i having our synagogues, mosques, and churches, filled with armed guards or schools filled with armed guards. we are dealing with in a rational person who acted irrationally and trying to create laws around that is not the way we should govern. we should try to stop irrational behavior from happening at the
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forefront and not try to create laws around irrational behavior. >> the united states -- president of the u.s. has a bigger voice than anybody else in the world. the president has a choice to meet the standard for public to -- discourse. >> i have said this to the president before. he needs to be more clear in his rhetoric and does not need to be as caustic. that is the way he chooses to communicate and it is not always helpful. we have the same issue on university campuses where individuals cannot speak out on their views because they get shouted down. we had that around the kavanaugh hearings. people would shout at you to silence individuals. it is not help in basic dialogue and the president showed and all of us in congress should set a good example of what it means to have respectful dialogue. the country is filled with amazing, beautiful, wonderful people who came here, many of them attracted by the idea that
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this was a land of opportunity to matter your religion, color. that idea is being tested by those who are preaching hatred and division. we have to overcome that. the president has a pivotal role there. no one sets the tone more than the president of the west. the tome that he sets is one of division and hatred and incitement of violence against journalists. there is no escaping the collective responsibility. there is no escaping the tone he sets for the country, the constitution competent -- contemplates a president who tries to make us a more perfect union. the president has his own constitution that does not allow them to do that. that is not going to change. it is going to fall on all the rest of us to try to make this a more perfect union, to try to bring people together to accentuate common humanity and not ancient >>


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