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n't want to use the german word, but now in some senses we feel redeemed seeing that now more western countrieses are -- countries are facing what we faced for a quarter of a century. i want to give a quote from the director of the ministry of defense think tank in london, quote, we spent 20 years telling the eastern europeans they were paranoid, living in the past, that they should treat russia as a normal country. now it turns out they were right. to prevent this from becoming a rift to keep former communist countries still believing in the alliance, nato is going to need to do a lot of clever footwork, unquote. thank you very much. senator graham: well, i'm impressed how well i understand estonia. that was excellent. ms. conley. ms. conley: thank you, mr. chairman, ranking member, and
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members of the subcommittee. thank you for this opportunity to testify. it is absolutely vital that we understand russia's strategy of influence, how it works in our democracies and to develop an effective strategy to combat it. it's so important that we recognize not only the tools that russia uses but we have to educate americans on how to recognize these tools and to defeat their influence. russia's strategy of influence is contained in russia's doctrine "new generation warfare" of which its primary goal is to break the internal coherence of the enemy system. russian influence works through a variety of political channels and adapts to specific national situations, including biased news outlets, intelligence networks, russian financed nongovernmental organizations, business lirningages and friendly politicians. while all of these tactical elements need to be understood in their own right, we can't lose sight of their cumulative
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effect and their overarching strategic objective, and that is the weakening of u.s. global leadership and its dominance of the international system. it's the weakening and ultimate collapse of nato and the european union, and finally, it is about the breakdown of the internal coherence, credibility and moral authority of western democracies. and once this coherence and cohesion is broken, a post-western world can in fact be achieved. so let's be clear, russia does not engineer the entire framework in its it conducts its strategy. it takes advantage of pre-existing condition institutional, political and governance weaknesses and exploits them. so in fact, we must look to ourselves, and our rules and ur laws to help defeat russian influence. so csis in cooperation with our bulgarian partner, the center for study of democracy, focused on how russian economic influence impacts five european countries. i asked that a copy of the
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report be submitted for the record. we describe russian tactics as a circle of influence. it takes hold of democratic societies through two channels -- political and economic influence. the political influence can come through anti-european and fringe parties. it can go through individuals, possibly businessmen who turned politicians, nongovernmental organizations. it can spread through information wars and even the russian orthodox church. the economic channel isore powerful in some respects. it works through a network of kremlin insiders, former intelligence officers and local olgarks to manipulate strategic sectors of a country's economy. and our report looked at how both of these channels, both the political and the economic work together and what we found is that corruption is the key and principal conduit for the impact of russian influence. and the reason that they go
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after those strategic sectors like energy, like finance, is that's where there are the biggest opportunities to exploit and use corruption. but what has allowed russia's strategy to be so successful is western susceptibility and in some ways complicitness with russia's exploitation. and we found this over and over where we're not i fluencing and impacting our -- influencing and impacting our laws, beneficial ownership, abe for funding for political party financing and nongovernmental organizations. it's in fact in our power to stop these russian tactics. so in our report, we recommend that our first line of defense is strengthening western democratic institutions and societies. we believe that the treasury department will play a critical role in how we combat russian economic influence by tracking and tracing illicit russian linked financial flows.
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we encourage strongly a very robust cooperation with the european union in fighting these corrupt practices, strengthening the independent judiciary and independent media and governance practices of our nato allies. building and strengthening financial transparency requirements and beneficial ownership will go to an extraordinary way to prevent these corrupt practices to further russian influence. finally, i'd like to say in our u.s. embassies, we need to start thinking of our legal a much ashas as a critical role as our defense ataches. our national security and the security of america's most important allies rests on russia's influence and thus far we have failed. thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman, mr. ranking member. and members of the subcommittee.
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wod ridlo ssn bevin raewod op satis d or. . ah: anyo do sanctnsor dyo lie,heitom t derrgusa? mscoeyhedoavimed apicily. i infoth.sand roan sctnsth pelts rsi lg tm acsso naialapal bend0ayhabe importt to . t erhao be aul ecumfetreeeare rainfrheilar deterrcendheacth ers aat btaon deoyg eons poanasenng strg es autntcoupon sialg at we llig t laf anarcyheveit y . . ah: y tnkt ulbeppprteor core t iosnesanctis rsifowh ty ve do iouelti? ulth bthrit gn sd omoupotf ew
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mscoeywh iou remmd tt tres llevw t eir ecumf s.oly spsetousa. mein wteo silo o li rpoes he tlo a wt e ngerobctesilbeor th. nconaraowfuto. eye impta tl. buifouo emusfo evyss, etr at ukin t ectns tnk yoreisngoongt corenseppac mrgrammrbuan, e prle beeitusa,- weeeitusa,o oer countrs veimar palieso teer wh us mrbuan: ihi is fr y atusanapilie arpaicardvce buit ao rtotg er arcotrsucs inth ve lg sty vepi a ung cyrcabits. t ceary ait econpese buagnsa ngofmeca taet mrgramife r veush
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ar f tirntfencin ou--orveusa r teercen r ectn,o u inth wlde ving chin a in ybtoom i lar? . chanceaiy ihi atorvendort stte heou risk emldin rgef cotrs,ncdiutot litetousa. atou ilu cna a we. . ah: u bk tth buar. u' bn alingitth - bu e. u' bn alg thhi obm. e ajto ipretty unrvg. atavyose wn om tollhisusand decryrothti y we t bh mistti t no wod u rewi t cce th wter 'vbe inngn eas irely ha'tord engh mrwastn:indie]- wod dinelage thha staten th w hen de ou. t iou s tt u rtf ha tlot theisril prreio thruia he en coisnt thusanba tth visbn nst nthe prch ineolicasee,has bafothu.s odor russ. tirye
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i in wt 'vsehae ov t yrss ers w e chlocames trude d teerin tealleio pceesin yshecodn bor becausthdeveloenf e inrn. wnoavanbity to atay theyidt vehe ily dba ith cd wa yolsha aar o oprtit n. eyee psie ylht twn a se o pane. ihi ty' m t thiclyoongt at daig a tintoxpd sohecabrg unieba in tirphe iluce andideurlys. o aie whth w t tnkou- . itou: anyo yo ttinyoces rll efctelndinof ctus e kml hdbk po. wi rpe t rsis fos tonftre,orptdead anisedemraes wi t lt econe ow wee beendd tthis
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yoesib tthe a t kehaelfohapeti. e pitalnfen anl, whi mhtncde thgsikakne o trli osi cruioo ppt thos. e co iecom flnc iby,orptn,on ladengvaouheel oralg atitruyor pu pplinhehrt in divged asavgee bohtpelef nsuee. yr vw,f aouryas exricenef ostw tenieshoalert sulit be tloorheecd tenie? . nl: wt fndn e onic ftpntifn e uniewe alyd,f ss'scomipren w grteth2%f cnt's
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osdost produ, w mo lelth enoc an fothriryhaelf inuee. erwe viaontoha inacthe sow onicrenc tt ul mean theolic cnnou beheosvile agn,he cntesti haveheetrkotth bune, e teigce a cutyrk tter us tfft. inerinouri w ce buar aanxalehe bo cnnsersu ud chn eecth o l t e heth i l tste pu. . itou: y'ra uny atas eernc is rsi eor tou one anl, ou y b lki r e me eoron t oer anl isnen ditetooo o, cae ey mhte mi a yoabt th chael -- cin ayowi bh chne?
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mscoeywhh anl pptshenvventf the hent ty me tetr. . itou: it wod udtor cnt tt h stne a aaconne anl b hhlalt a okorig ohothotr anl mighha bn dlod so . nl: aolel . itou: o now, -anin tms o instatg t enoc chne ar fanalndax cdi poanno ttg geer --mpta ipuintoth thas tt n ro t syemofcominfen? . nl: anarcys ablulyricao eang thstte onfen. detainwhe os soceof fdi ce fm. th a digd bidn, th a digd bopue foinan, ouooat buar, e uny tt e stigfint pvirf ren re very,- mrwhehselemeumwa iov bgaa,utet
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okt e it ste f a mite. yoald authe wknse that rsixpit ulonofhoeaess cle ga sucreth e nfr tnsre oto usou wdshave l nehidilore reiren? . nl:t'xtme val tondstd neci owrsp omni tt e rticiping in mor ocemtsth iceaiy iornt vic. 'sermpta t unrsndhe - mrwhehseiner o neladeng ueranng befial oeripo u n petrl elorraonis al cre- peneatshl coorio ial cre? . nl: s, iis mrwhehse a y filr thhath e. s neith spt sllorraon mscoeyye wo ll e.u mrwhehouseheveectl clneth u csiray, han' ty? mscoeyhearwoinn , acit a-2 iniaveo lppehap. veigivoualm s don trrdaramnt th pam peser vy
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lunang. . itou: u romnde stngeninci anarcy ruimes. mscoeyabluly mrwhehsepa owh y remmd iit iornt t veige ne lndin i yoreoi to ve - instigaton lndin yoha tha aesto finaia ror, rrt? mrils: aolel mrwhehset ulhe t ha aesoaxecdso t eicref didus whmit invold t tt. . ve te. mrwhitehseanshl rpatnsho te owrsp ndeternae,ow hefuti? e the haroro u ed baboooatenicl nehi te oeripf rpatns iorr deta t enoc nipulaon mrils: aolel beusyodot owhy sothg hpengnls u owhos ewn. wee enas aoseupe noon iayth erg
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el b ao ire eat t alsoveinhe mia whe 'rno se. whow nsper f ame. . itou: yr rk a e pame ojuicnd elwhe,oundstd at ecomnfen a rrtis ausan tti re yo s iyoesmo, deta, tt 'smpta, u yr rd tocqre revaecdsucas naiare iorr t feivy undeta t daerfheacc of rrti, hacoec . inei aolelir mrwhehseit ao importt bab tpruc sissecdstoe ae okhrghndee wt' gog on? . inei aolel . itou: ulta rerdbe fm fancial anbuneecdshaar ef tnvtito ath trtoetmi tco o ecomi iluce opatn? . ineiur
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tarerdre vy nsiv toc d erarspia rusbo t hdlg d aibityf xecdsor osuts. . itou: omn veigiv pntf ew eye pttvil. mrwastn:herebvus lpl. [ctiinpeord t tialapong stut icisesnsleorts caiocoenanacra. sincaprg [ctis copyghnaon blsalle rp20] wreoi tlee e na hri n f aer brf usseioasemrs arco bk oicll jon e steglave da cus1 re e url an arod. itutbjti, e hous jonsod, sll adurtoeeat:3 p. toy. thchr yefeheoe eolwi cmucaon thclk:heonab t speerhoe prseave s, ran t pmiioraedn clse 2 oru 2f e leofhe.sou o preseatesthclk reid e olwi msa frm eecta ot nae ah3, 27,at 108 m. pointmt stn mihe ug pic mssn, dghd. einheremri cmiio nid at sat ccuon teaonarti coro wh st wh im gn
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siery,ar laa th horlehsakr, usof repseatessi rsnto e rmsi anedn ae h t ru ofh leofhe.s ho rntiv, t erreid e llin meagfr t sreryf eene ar 10, 100.m aoitmts psint eor cnl, bodf uses t jn eedenr t as, cmiioon sury d opatnn re lski dunghe1h congrs, unedtatesolaust moalouil niol conc oth as. tbe whei sne ncel ken.aa thhoorleth sar usofepseates s, puua tth pmiion gnt iclus h re te le othe u. hse rrentiv,heclk ceedhe llinmeag rohseety t seten mch5, 27,t
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he spo ioi ery tio tiatnte.nd ti.srieares bacay. . ve anditsuesha th ipaf ela d reouo,orxale gefrce to eputfat t eopnni, at wod aealoorea deh owo th ornitis. dyothkhe'seen acleti ihi aitns fr fstryg csean anndstd ilearoi - unrsndle ang p - unrstandlearanoia, t strike deer toure er urea ran t - . ve ihi hwa surid heucssha th m wh t uaian is iwhh ey mag t petreeruso-ll jeivewoues whe y sa t b reangrogaa nefr -on uaine t
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soald lae t rorng from uai. reangtoesbo- aterury ke,s rt ofhe- t kdf lainsi. atncraged tm tli emt wks mrsae: tha y. ehamaret fi-mutlo. anyo i'gog sellf xt ti. . ah: sote. lyor y. . ssanouelus a lileitbout's inrn pitalonrats wi rartohe ilist ec arthe sde ogr iid thelitcomyf mef s ons w a wri outhdvtusmndhi atn dury, or ts ordaers aneoe o st le sisacon taictorohielba u he wh e veurm? . nl: thanyo sat. thusancomynd pridtut'sanemt itastalidhecomy foow
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thonte tjeoris queir itpprsha t st ne cclofheir bins test he maed frl ab. eriserin cng, nnalatn,f u wl,f diert mpie niolid mntn befs. t e ony iunrsnd grttrn. wh wfodn r po, inreiny, ialofhe ssn flncpetis there s onctn esenpun' ierire. so certalynrhi a ntui tnrh atma inneircles ry iornt bui inthe' mh meayth t sctns ha h aevtang iacon e rsi eno. eyavurth bhe vetaedhe wkier ha -talized,e'woin ve hd. pridt tiunrsnde' havingo rd. athye'reediswn naon grd he kwshis e intoet ryou. 'stalinghe enoc tuatio
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'sea for tontend ki sehainr sblg, icthe veeen chge ere's netial cnges ing on rigowe'paing leeriproisee t anhegeraone' upng tm,o thk w ve tunrsndhere rtr tir fth rime ive iornt wee ei aimctf ck of pment tpeio a tehe, e cielre syems umin t e neciles in maintaed mre:owicsut? . nl: i ha n ia,ir sasse sae yf u ve an -mrsae:nyf u venystat? .reside, u'ot usllasul mrils:heeptsay10 biio buwhkns. ceaiy 's l. mrsae:ustoe eaor e co, tnkguhos puic stobuauator mo ohili. d tnk he ghbe wth onherds $0 billn. menofigfintrite ctctitwhee d akinritequy mpy osothg? . ve ts aatrn peatedcrs e aramg
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. rb: t ierti in iukinishath russiailaratck geeritthhyidar e opaganttk,he cyberw, seay ve ukinclero ro. clero e st thol a swit. pelef rae el tt erthr tu i amo d re aesupngouof ruia wh w ipondou wks agonof theearshe idomhi'diktoou coen o sd,e' wchg u e it ste sd,e nt tsehoyou aco e vaonf vlim pin in ur pridti ectn. cae 's aigl uof ho y wldea iou uny s iad but. mrils: cldt saee wod yhas, tnkho tsf op, tsf uniehaha ft de reso oubimal fe.
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th m n aaysait ceaiy thk at a cooneeng . rb: me otr inwhh d keo k e hepalis rero. at t ammril pe ts. pridentlod wn.tin utk r peod omohs cae t oraou fe ne ty reedinin h uny. is haeno oswh aredato eemf prsi, speecanprss toheerhe wlde se gornntctn sp at pu ssotrng to hie pun tinto aie, roh e mt vis ur, roh.t i nto owhath palis inbo tt. . ve yteayheern veme smied bl tt ul ld tfis 50 miiour ords3 milln --r $ mliorocl meaprdi fe ws
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th igog batgh on tinto- twn cutyndurunmeal vaesf ee t pss anhoweavat ts intoe tghnen lo ofouri. mscoeyinom ws, ssn cts e digd wt wca bow tesld th aesneoto us nao spd ia llme wa it digd ila a uny,akth fl eyre one, tt iss mein atheha tde wh bitell wi rsi ano e rehawean enncurwnndstdi anawens wt'gog with eop whithna unie ttel u deta tseaccsnd ndurwnnoed aut eupendureaolitic nacsnd o o senh puoswi o aie ngssnavitsikyos e iornt weavo tu ture ch reul a fei a secutyolyatr. oned, wldrilyay
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se yst's a mtivect su yoha fer lsne, icarju btaly wng stiethat aesnetout esren e veme, crte htea. ers- e akf baasngnfmaon, whh e digd dcrit gornnt oio a initio. the reouised lde dnstuonheorfae wsso weul beusyo d'tnowh t lie. thd,omhi tt psint ils ucdn,wnsh o e miath btimea rk, iou aueth ntl eopn di mart, is bomg ssn-newhh makeitor spaet t ss'sor vw d test. he bve mdf. gs cko neci nehi whiswng esmea coans d theesgeth ey'reenng . rb: m ithg se unie c ne cpl wherusanlircs e mongacnto the unie d congaj pital pler i d'tanto b nsrarier b ihi i ll b
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i nd wt'haeng re wi tsxpt wltan ki orf lica erio iso othese unie wee eioranmo o th t. wod oerli t cme o thsyetcaise? mrwastn: oneoi wld kes,heege wch the flncpetis e abd bcout nwo pltaonby hki. . chanan iwa ringoe athe.cs rertn ceerisss thf em tetr. on oth lesso tt a imdie teay r erne meargizioor potilige t poan obac beecit praic. ai a sfoh. dohi is oenacng opatnshaar ud t elor bad iluce mpgn 'sit ihi f everye ts pelndeyd. mrduinhas. thanksr.hama msklucr:ha y vy chseto gha sat
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itou. ll pk wre sat rb ltff mr bhan. anth iwi t bettks enenorram a mai ani ren eston, icas betilourythk u. d lvi lithuiaukin d grg athenofhe ye, w sucbyhe ors af e hki, ukintaet b rsi haer me an 600 tes ov awoon pio anju taytw rsi ieanth se cks inctoracngntah! thilonf erans as cts. , ato u s athes derrt? e esenenon t toaocedat beenr,hadoouhi t bt intoo wh the uimngleio i rmy d pcin eltis gmandrae? ivy ff cd r . chanin aolwa ntt,e'dereansit
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aps. 'somim dfilto teaybcabityit otr cerpali. 's ufutoive detree towoifre kds onki i wt cl co poti. aatn ken titye n' le,heereunh e ti oero cdie, t stha tberebl weavtoomnite that. thkeyd e ryigen acviesbendow oag ansoor, pbay ul do btejof neti stmpitn tis a mmicinho tth ssns thotr nder bef i ate call teen b ni. ki iotorhe rsi meo ea iancouc es aivie at wrempvi o bali cercutyefse anthef ourlls tay poan . obha a rht . esiden t feewha be dcueder aleth alou iilsamy fore ory wt eln d hedn ni thstyf eorwegi pme nierha rsihabe
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nng sri tt tir ecomisn e nkn rw anhath r o o fit an vetle tt ssn rsis wod men vithe ies d lavewi bs fitanvetaesecse eyelvethe ors at wereunngth thereerno ui a nvetaesn eicotr obouyhas asi expl buthe e anscy ris es e t tngi strk ms uciourubc, ste,eoeelvehe they e in mkes ws th sllelve tm. rhst psie tt e toanan se tse otr cntesavbemeor edat tthakne, en ouhearmu me t onli wh e oeripf e dithenor durn strohtp,th pbls, eyavmu meroem thghth aotf em cod teiay ehrgh is doouhi tt ao tl t tl box ate' not usgnoh,o al ela iso e bl?
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mrils:ha y. ceaiy ucioinenal onocled isothg th ivil. 'sot jusfa ns. eraralin oba thgsn ci miand f ilenth'ssefu i ulsayurouri- usul i ulsaurouri, escilyhealcouri, veak aond ag, ereou goga aroh is weeecome ndenll ined weonelve it anor wh h cngs atefe u ys bied i b n u n' ehe amo. . obha ect. icy, rd e ole ayok itaseayeldo. e t tngyoalabt f lk rapancan mpgnincendowon cabeunlein a ocose he geroemhe wh rkonndilonan hure o millis d 00
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miio tnkspt,utde ney th'sot tck. ou wbe cceedbo isner ofoigmoy, ifouou d iinbo a mitendal mscoeyofoue. ai tnsreys ablulyit. t lyorolic pty financin is so crsilyecinimrtt r wun a bng snt fo--e llhe ornitis. esornitis atre apargveig, voti i sion ttay ss'sntes--aye ssia'sntes h dfent pes e nd. atrapancisit a we. sote. e rerapancth better msklucr:hawod a arme f tintompve ourertg d scsu s weanryo figu o wre nun is beus - wrehimoy . caehas e tir me orayeutng eltis -moy to eltis oer cntes mscoeyits t digd toepae d mpx.
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msklucr: mnt tt' hoth he . eyiditn es oer cotrss ll . mra n ent,nef e thgs you- wnsin, onof ththgs y tked abty yo ttinys w r cotrreesn atnd lolleiopress. d ate mt ottur o elti iraruurtoua agnsth tesf res liho w eernc lt nomb. i amhe rki mber onul coite,s hiye. and e tre oou jusdti ileio a erghwi ectn uien oexute ancs ed additionalooo feivy ghgastusan inrfen iou cyrnwos and athod dngo lpurta a cagornntethees econ-pteedqume th c? . inei tnkou th's a gdueio e esonf ottita anlol ectoraysms at a tghuto cck beusthere
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cotitialesd stes ea stendoc riictionruthrwn eltis. wawacin 20 s tt ca a b iue ers ufoithe. ea nsenirmy. thoe'teathe'noa ac f t fer veme. inac ai mtioned d.s rent digteth ecrainasucres rt t ctil frtrtu. d thedeiso pvi del aisncanrely pridnfmaonhang among the different -- the 50 different states and the different localities, about the particular threats. maybe malwear and the like. one of the saving graces is that the vote tallying systems are not typically online. so in terms of the ability to penetrate those systems and actually adjust the tallies, that seems like that's a lesser threat than what we did see last year, withhe they det in t ver risatn tasean the le. the e ncvae ws they
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cadageheot dabes anndli t cdili of theleio. t ala a eorto t g t stendoc elti oicls- fial toth, tnkei tse thatan me em are- thki authe tea a ma tmwa othspif thatthe inllen mmits ei dn e ro. 'r gngo s ts ai elti aer ectn. . onnkouhama gram. nkg mb wteus i'gref tbof u r coeng is hri. ju wt erey an tohe aemeditss,or yo cpein ttinyod. li ser oeremrsf eomtt, t he aved ied barsa leti teaereupen gu. ene cnctoee i thk tellnef e st daf urerces esen i eon. d soo siwi lde t ccheplind ukin sama oththgsy llgu he taed abt lg-rm psien gad ssn cpan deindecry ithmo
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stn no d u.ouri. d enoive oms ch otr droeupe ugt, ranngemr whehsend,iv se e vepmtsnatju, se aetr o cleue seto cz,hot e te s aiofhe orsht bcmieef jicry prsi o gveonrn abtouinrertof inrfen i o ectn. rsi wesk fn ergh arg csir etr r exti fer stus d ur jisctns sfieny drsecouc rat t rennlti tt se re. i mhtmrchrm, d ke to tehiin t co,f e arg. e aian cz cledo ndt a hri a iat lp butonr wmit ve tt aeaie srtn corointh cllge iny ewth ctil at ounvtiti io isou nserioofhindur nfntioof rsis reats o docti initio ble-ed, foseaniptin.
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i ntoha sat gha foleinth rsireew ac wchou me reha core h ahae wgh inefehe'snyecio aio bthidto lasatis aitusa. i'ro tbe cspso ju t wksgoseto bi rubcaseto ine t foro ea a barsawaabt t re ousanggssn. the' l me nd owbo rsis rsis teercen rleioan itegs thhiimrtt quyn birtanaynt inrfen i oerleio. ii mhtir,n ur praremksyo ne e asmeic aangeth a smlumr hhlotat invialcaevagagns enreatn ste ulsno t utestes anoulls sss rwn asmeic aange cayoissshaouhi e r sonstdvtas cohainruia iilatn d w c mt eecve utizit mrils: tnkou we, lki aho mh
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ceaiigesnjei i amr ldor ri, ceaiyhaisn asmeic aangehath we h. rell tt nar ca w rr fmntinusa, cainhuirt angeoe ate ul't bab tgo vati sewrenibia th iclrlontnge ha tt eyon. e hethgs pki ne beusifouo t ve a ru olant, en y n sill-- y c aay ha yranacunmped wiouan d pce. tsewohis,isin th wt d soarng yr moy re, findt d t tycahaone ofheeang open oth aptn n
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