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at the richard nixon presidential library in california. this is just over one hour. >> ladies and gentlemen, the honorable michael pompeo. the honorable ladies and gentlemen, the
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honorable michael pompeo. the honorable pete wilson. christopher nixon cox and hugh hue it. (applause) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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good afternoon. i'm christopher nixon cox grandson of president richard nixon. on behalf of my family and the nixon foundation, i want to welcome you to another important event here at the richard nixon library birthplace and museum, the birthplace which is right behind me here. today, we are honored to have secretary of state mike pompeo to have chosen the nixon library to make a major speech about u.s. china relations. like we do so often in the library, we are going to begin our program with a prayer. would you please remain standing and welcome greg laurie, senior pastor at harvest christian fellowship big. (applause) >> let us all prayed
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together. father, we are so thankful to live in this country of the united states of america. one thing we treasure so greatly is the freedom we have from you to pursue life, liberty and happiness. we have the freedom to speak our minds. the freedom to warship, and the freedom to proclaim the message that jesus christ died for our sons and rose from the dead and can give the personal life, liberty and happiness if we will put our trust in him. we have other brothers and sisters and other countries that do not have this freedom. we think of those suffering under the tyranny of china, including our own persecuted church. we pray for them, that you would strengthen them and help them. we thank you for president trump who wants to lead us courageouslyw+ in the right way. we thank you for secretary pompeo who is a champion of these rights. we pray for secretary pompeo as your servant, as he travels around the world to help spread the freedom that we enjoy. we commit this meeting, the
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speech, and most importantly, our nation to you. we ask you to protect, guide and bless the united states of america. in jesus name we pray, amen. >> thank you, pastor. let us remain standing, as we salute our country. please, with the presentation of colors and the national anthem. [presentation of colors] ♪ oh say can you see
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♪ by the dawns early light music mac what so proudly we hailed ♪ at the twilight's last gleaming ♪ ♪ (national anthem) ♪ (national anthem)
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(applause) >> thank you. you may be seated. please join me in thanking the air force and the air force band of the golden west for
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that beautiful rendition. my grandfathers vision and courage made the united states opening to china possible when he and my grandmother went there almost 50 years ago in 1972. he called that the week that changed the world, and he understood that the world is always changing. secretary pompeo is on the front line of americas foreign policy and it is fitting that he is here at the nixon presidential library and birthplace to discuss the relationship between our two countries today. it is my privilege now to introduce a distinguished statesman. a mayor, a senator, a governor, and an old and close friend of my family, the nixon family, who will introduce secretary pompeo. in fact, my family asked this old and dear friend to eulogize both my grandmother and my grandfather in this exact
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location, 26 and 27 years ago. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming governor pete wilson. (applause) >> thank you very much, chris. most generous. i am not sure your grandfather would have recognized it. i have the great pleasure and in addition to welcoming all of you to the nixon birthplace and library. i have the great pleasure of introducing to you an extraordinary american who was here at an extraordinary time.
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but the fun of it is, in introducing our honored guest, i also am welcoming him not just to the nixon library, but i am welcoming him back home to orange county. (applause) that is right. mike pompeo was born in orange. (applause) he attended los amigos high school in fountain valley where he was an outstanding student and athlete. in fact, i have it on good authority that among the fans of glory days of basketball, a
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reverent hush descends upon the crowd whenever pompeo is mentioned. the secretary wished first in its class at west point. he won the award as the most distinguished cadet. he won another award for the highest achievement in engineering management. he spent his active duty years, his army years, in west germany, and as he put it, patrolling the iron curtain before the fall of the berlin wall. in 1988, excuse me. retiring with the rank of captain, he went on to harvard law school where he was an editor of the law review. in 1988 he returned to his
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mother's home state of kansas and began a stunningly successful business career. he was elected to the house of representatives from kansas in 2011, before he soon gained great respect for a reputation as one of the most diligent and astute members of the house intelligence committee. in 2017, president trump nominated him to be the director of central intelligence. in 2018 he was confirmed as our 70th secretary of state. you have to admit, that is quite an impressive resume. there is only one thing missing to prevent him from being perfect. if only mike had been a marine.
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don't worry, he will get even. mike pompeo is a man devoted to his family. he is a man of faith. of the greatest patriotism and the highest principle. one of his most important initiatives at the state department has been the creation of a commission of unalienable rights, commissions, philosophers advise him on human rights grounded in america's founding principles and the principles of the 1948 universal declaration of rights. , for a very he is here today for a very special reason. the epitaph on president nixon's gravestone is a
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sentence from his first inaugural address. it says what, the greatest honor history can bestow is the title of peacemaker. richard nixon received that title. he won that honor. not only because he was acknowledged, even by his critics to be a brilliant foreign policy strategist, but it was far more because he earned it. he learned as congressman, senator, president and every day thereafter as a private citizen ambassador, that piece is not achieved by signing documents and declaring the job done. to the contrary, he knew that peace is always a work in
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progress. he knew that peace must be fought for and one and you in every generation. it was president nixon's vision, determination and courage that opened china to america and the western world. as president and for the rest of his life, richard nixon worked to build a relationship with china based upon mutual benefits and obligations that respected americas bedrock national interest. today we in america are obliged to assess whether or not president nixon's laborers and
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his hopes for such a relationship have been met or whether they are being undermined. that is why it is such great significance that our honored guest, secretary pompeo, has chosen the nixon library from which to deliver a major china policy statement. it will, i promise you, the a statement of complete clarity delivered with force and with belief, because it is of critical importance. ladies and gentlemen, it is my great honor and pleasure to
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welcome to this podium and this audience, our honored guest, the secretary of state of the united states of america, the honorable and really quite remarkable, honorable michael r. pompeo. (applause) >> thank you. thank you all. thank you, governor, for that very, very generous introduction. it is true, when you walk into that gym and you say the name pompeo, there is the whisper. i had an uncle who is a great basketball player. and how about another round of
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applause for that wonderful rendition of the national anthem. thank you to pastor lori for that moving prayer. i want to thank the nixon foundation for the invitation to speak at this important american institution. it is important to be some to buy and and air force person and introduced by a marine. it is an honor to be here where nixon built the house. all the knicks and set of board and staff who made this possible. it is difficult in these times. thank you for making the stay possible for me and my team. we are blessed to have some incredibly special people in the audience, including chris who i have gotten to know. chris nixon. i also want to thank julie nixon for this visit as well.
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i would recognize several chinese dissidents who joined us here and made a long trip. to all the other distinguished guests -- (applause) yes. to all the other distinguished guests, you must have paid extra to be under that tenth. (laughter) and those of you watching live, thank you for tuning in. as the governor mentioned, i was born not far from here. my sister and her husband are in the audience today. thank you all for coming out. i bet you never with thought i would be standing up here. my remarks today are a fourth set of remarks -- fbi director chris wray and attorney general barr to deliver alongside me. we had a very clear purpose and mission. to explain the different facets of america's relationship with china. a massive imbalances in that relationship that have built up over decades, and the chinese
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communist parties designs freshman. our goal was to make clear that threats to americans that president trump's china policy aims to address are clear and our strategy for securing this freedoms established. ambassador brian spoke about ideology. fbi director wray talked about espionage. agent barr spoke about economics. now michael today is to put it all together for the american people in detail what the china threat means for our economy, our liberty and indeed, for the future of free democracies around the world. next year, it marks half a century since doctor kissinger's secret mission to china and 50th anniversary of president nixon's trip is not too far away in 2022. the world was much different than.
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we imagined engagement with china would produce a future with bright promise of cooperation. but today, we are all still wearing masks and watching the pandemic body count rise because the sissi de failed in its promises to the world. we are reading every morning new headlines of repression and hong kong. we are seeing staggering staggering statistics of china's trade abuses -- across america including here in southern california. we are watching a chinese military that grows stronger and stronger and indeed more menacing. . i will echo the questions in the hearts and minds of americans here in america and to my home state of kansas and beyond. with the american people have to show now 50 years on from engagement with china? the theories of our leaders that proposed chinese evolution towards freedom and democracy
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prove to be true. is this china's definition of a win-win situation? indeed, centrally, from secretary of state's perspective is america is safe? do we have a great greater likelihood of peace for ourselves and the generations which will follow us? we have to admit the truth that should guide us in the years and decades to come. if we want to have a free 21st century and not with china dreams of, the old paradigm of blind engagement with china simply will not get it done. we must not continue it. we must not return to it. as president trump has made very clear, we need a strategy that protects the american economy and our way of life. the free world must triumph over this new tierney. before i seem to eager to tear down presidents brixton --
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president nixon's legacy, i want to make it clear, he did what he thought was best for americans at the time. he may well have been right. he was a brilliant student of china. a fierce warrior. and admirer of chinese people, just a as i think we all are. he deserves enormous credit for realizing that china was too important to be ignored, even when the nation was new weekend because of its own self inflicted communist brutality. in 1967, in a very famous foreign affairs articles nixon blames his future strategy. he says taking the long view, we simply cannot afford to leave china forever outside of the family of nations. the world cannot be safe until china changes thus our aim. to the extent that we can, we must influence events. our goal should be to induce change. i think that is the key phrase from the entire article. induced change. with that historic trip to beijing, president nixon kicked
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off our engagement strategy. he sought a freer and safer world. he hoped that the chinese communist party would return that commitment. as time went on, american policy makers increasingly presumed that as china became more prosperous it would open up. it would indeed present less of a threat abroad. it would be friendlier. it all seemed, i am sure, so inevitable, but that age of inevitability is over. the kind of engagement we have been pursuing has not brought the kind of change inside of china that president nixon had hoped to induce. the truth is, our policies and those of other free nations resurrected china's failing economy only to see beijing bite the international hands that were feeding it. we opened our arms to chinese citizens only to see the chinese communist party exploit our free and open society. china sent propaganda's into
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our press conferences, research centers, high schools, colleges, and even into our pa meetings. we marginalized our friends in taiwan with which later blossomed into a vigorous democracy. we gave the chinese communist party and the regime itself, special economic treatment only to see the ccp insist on silence over human rights abuses as the price of admission for western companies entering china. a few examples, american airlines, delta all removed references to taiwan from their corporate website so as not to anger beijing. hollywood, not too far from here, the epicenter of american creative freedom, it aborted arbitrators of social justice. it's self-sensors even the most mildly unfavorable references to china. this corporate acquiescence to the ccp happens all over the
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world. how has this corporate frailty work? i'll give you a quote from the speech that general barr gave. he said the ultimate ambition of china's rulers isn't to trade with the united states, it is too iterate the united states. china ripped off our intellectual property and trade so it would cost millions of jobs across america. it sucks supply chains away from america and then added a which it made of sleeve labor. it made the world's key waterways lace less safe or for international commerce. president nixon once said he feared he had created a frankenstein by opening the world to the ccp. and here we are. people of good faith can debate why free nations allowed these bad things to happen for all these years. perhaps we were naive about china's communism, or triumphal
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after victory in the cold war. or hoodwinked beijing stock of a peaceful rise. whatever the reason. whatever the reason today, china is increasing and north or therrien -- more aggressive and hostile to freedom everywhere else. president trump has said, enough! i don't think many people on either side of the aisle of dispute, the facts that i have laid out today, but even now summer insisting that we preserve the model of dialog, for dialog's sake. to be clear, we will keep on talking, but the conversations are different these days. i traveled to honolulu just a few weeks back. to meet with -- it was the same old story. plenty of words, but literally no effort to change any of the behaviors. the promises such as the ccp
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made before him were empty. his expectations i surmise is to cave to the demands. this is what too many prior ministration's have done. i did not and president will not touch either. president trump. as ambassador explained so well, we have to keep in mind that the ccp regime is a marxist regime. general secretary she jinping is a true believer in a bankrupt totalitarian ideology. this ideology is decades long desire for global -- of chinese communism. america can no longer ignore the fundamental political and ideological differences between our countries just as the ccp has never ignored them. my experience in the house of intelligence committee, and as director of the central intelligence agency and my now two plus years as americas secretary of state led me to the central understanding.
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the only way to truly change communist china is to act not on the basis of what chinese leaders say, but how they behave. you can see american policy responding to this conclusion. president reagan said that he -- with the soviet union on the basis of trust. when it comes to the ccp, i say we must this trust and verify. we. the freedom loving nations must induce china to change just as president president nixon wanted. we must induce china to change and more creative and assertive ways. beijing's actions threaten our people and prosperity. let's start by changing how our partners perceive -- we can't treat this incarnation china as a normal country just like any other. we know that trading with china is not like trading with a normal law-abiding nation.
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beijing threatens international agreements as a treats international suggestions and agreements as suggestions, as conduits for global dominance. by insisting on fair terms as our trade representative did as he secured our phase one trade deal -- to reckon with intellectual property and policies that have harmed american workers. we know as well, that doing business with the ccp is not the same as doing business with say, a canadian company. they don't answer to independent ports. many of them are states sponsored so have no need to pursue profits. a good example is huawei. they stopped pretending huawei isn't innocent intelligence communication just showing up to talk to your friends. we call it what it is. a true national security threat. we've taken action accordantly. we know as well, that if our companies invest in china, they may winningly or until winningly support the communists -- violations.
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our departments of treasury and commerce -- blacklist of chinese leaders and entities that are harming and abusing the most basic rights for people all across the world. several agencies -- to make certain that our ceos are informed of how their supply chains are behaving inside of china. we know as well, that not all chinese students and employees are just normal students and workers. they come here to make money and garner themselves some knowledge. many of them come here to steal our intellectual property and take it back to their country. the department of justice and other agencies have bigger -- punishments for these crimes. we know that the people's liberation army is not a normal army as well. its purpose is to uphold the absolute rule of the chinese communist party elites and expand a chinese empire. not to protect the chinese people. our department of defense has ramped up its efforts --
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freedom of navigation operations throughout the east and south china seas and in the taiwan stream as well. nal we have created a space fore -- to deter china from aggression on that final frontier. frankly, we build out a new sets of policies of the state department. dealing with china. pushing president trump's calls for fairness and reciprocity. to rewrite the imbalances that have grown over decades. just this week, we announced the closure of the chinese consulate houston, because it was a hub of spying of intellectual property theft. we reversed two weeks ago, eight years of cheat turning with the respect to international law in the south china sea. we called on china to conform its nuclear capabilities to strategic realities of our time. the state department at every level, all across the world has engaged with our chinese counterparts. simply to demand fairness in
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reciprocity. but our approach cannot just be about getting tough. that is unlikely to achieve the outcome that we desire. we must also engage and empower the chinese people and dynamic freedom loving people who are completely distinct from the chinese communist party. that begins with in-person diplomacy. i've met chinese men and women of great talent and diligence wherever i go. i met with leaders -- who escaped concentration camps. i talked with hong kong's democracy leaders. two days ago, in london, i met with hong kong freedom fighter, nathan law. last month, i heard stories of team and square survivors. one of them is here today. one dawn was a key student who has never stopped fighting for freedom for the chinese freedom. mr. wong, will you please stand so we may recognize you?
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(applause) also with us today is the father of the chinese democracy movement. he spent decades in chinese labor camps for his advocacy. sir, will you please stand? i grew up and served my time in the army during the cold war, and if it's one thing i learned is communists almost always lie. the biggest lie that they tell is to think that they speak for 1.4 billion people who are surveilled, depressed and scared to speak out. quite the contrary, the ccp fears the chinese peoples honest opinions more than any full. for losing their own grip on pyre power, they have no reason to. just think how much better off the world would be, not to mention the people inside of china, if we had been able to
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hear from the doctors in wuhan, and they had been allowed to raise the alarm about the outbreak of a new and novel virus. for too many decades our leaders have ignored and downplayed the words and warned us about the nature of the regime we are facing. we cannot ignore it any longer. they know as well as anyone that we could never go back to the status quo. changing the ccpcs behavior cannot be the mission of the chinese people. our free nations have to work to defend freedom. it is the furthest thing from easy. i have faith we can do it, because we have done it before. we know how this goes. i have faith because there ccp is repeating some of the same mistakes as the soviet union made. alienating potential eyelashes -- rejecting property rights and predictable rule of law. i have faith because of the awakening i see among other nations that no, we cannot go back to the past in the same way that we do here in america.
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i've heard this from brussels, sydney, hanoi. most of all, i have faith that we can defend freedom because of the sweet appeal of freedom itself. look at those from hong kong clambering to emigrate as the ccp titans -- they wave american flags. it is true. there are differences, unlike the soviet union china is deeply integrated into the global economy. but beijing is more dependent on us than we are on them. hear (applause) i reject the notion that we are living in an age of inevitability, that some trap it's preordained. that the ccp supremacy is the future. our approach is not distant to fail because america is in decline. as i said in munich earlier this year, the free world is still win winning.
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we just need to believe it and know it. people from all over the world still want to come to open society. they come here to study, to work, to build a life for their families. they are not desperate to settle in china. it is time. it is great to be here today. the timing is perfect. it is time for free nations to act. not every nation will approach china in the same way, nor should they. every nation will have to come to its own understanding of how to protect its own sovereignty. how to protect its own economic prosperity, and how to protect its ideals from the tentacles of the chinese communist party. but i call on every leader of every nation to start by doing what america has done. simply insist on reciprocity. insist on transparency and accountability from the chinese communist party. -- the ruler some far from homogenous. a simple and powerful standards
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will achieve a great deal. for too long, we flip the ccp set the terms of engagement, but no longer. free nations must set the tone. we must operate on the same principles. we have to draw common lines in the sand. it cannot be washed away by the ccp's bargains or blended shipments. this is what the united states did recently, when we rejected china's unlawful claims in the child sign and see once and for all as we've urged countries to become clean countries, so that there are citizens private information does not end up in the hand of the chinese communist party. we get it by sitting standards. it is true, it is difficult. it is difficult for some small countries. they fear being picked off. some of them, for that reason simply do not have the ability or courage to stand with us for the moment. indeed, we have any till ally of course, that has not stood up in the way that it needs to with respect to hong kong, because the fear beijing with restrict at access to china's market. this is the kind of timidity
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that will lead to historic failure, and we cannot repeat it. we cannot repeat the mistakes of these past years. the challenge demands exertion. energy from democracies. those in europe, south of africa, -- especially in the pacific region. if we do not act now, the ccp will erode our freedoms and subvert the rule based orders that our societies have worked so hard to build. if we bend the knee now, our children's children may be at the mercy of the chinese communist party, whose actions of the primary challenge today in the free world. general secretary -- is not destined to turn ice inside and outside of china forever unless we allow it. this is not about containment. do not buy that. it is about a complex new challenge that we have never faced before. the ussr has closed off on the
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free world. communist china is already within our borders. we cannot face this challenge alone. the united nations, nato, the g7 countries, the g20 are combined economically, diplomatic and military power is surely enough to meet this challenge if we direct it clearly and with great courage. maybe it's time for a new grouping of like-minded nations. a new alliance of democracies. we have the tools. we know we can do it. now, we need the will to quote scripture. i ask -- the spirit willing, but our flesh is weak. if the free world does not change, does not change, communist china will surely change us. we cannot return to the past practices because they are comfortable or convenient. securing our freedoms from the chinese communist party is the mission of our time, and america is perfectly position
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to lead it, because our founding principles give us that opportunity. as i explained in philadelphia in the past week, standing, staring at independent hall, our nation was founded on the premise that all human beings possess certain rights that are unalienable, and it is our government's job to secure those rights. it is a simple and powerful truth. it speaks of the freedom of all around the world, including people inside of china. indeed, richard nixon was right when he wrote in 1967 that the world cannot be safe until china changes. it is up to us now. today, the danger is clear. today, the awakening is happening. today, the free world must respond. we can never go back to the past. me godless each of you. may god bless the chinese people, and the main god bless the people of the united states of america. (applause) >> thank you mister
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secretary. please be seated. i'm here at the president library with secretary pompeo. we are graciously in by questions. thank you for joining us, mister secretary at the nixon library. my first question has to do with the context of the presidents visit in 1972. you mentioned the soviet union was isolated, but it was dangerous. he went to the people of the republic of china in 1972 to try and ally and combine interest with them against the soviet union and it was successful. does russia present an opportunity to the united states to coax them into the battle to be relentlessly candid about the chinese communist party? >> i do think there is that opportunity. that opportunity is borne of
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the relationship, the natural relationship between russia and china. we can do something as well. there are places where we need to work with russia. today, tomorrow, our team is on the ground to work on strategic dialog to create a next generation of arms agreements like reagan did. it is in our interest, russia's interest. we asked the chinese to participate. they've declined to date. we hope they will change their minds. it is these kinds of things, these proliferation issues, big strategic challenges that if we worked alongside russia, i am convinced we can make the world safe. i think there is a place for us to work to win the russians to achieve a more likely up outcome of peace. not only for the united states, but for the world. >> president nixon also put quite a lot of story and personal relationships over many years with individuals. that can lead wrong, president bush famously misjudged vladimir putin and said so afterwards. you have met president xi often.
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is the general secretary of the chinese communist party someone with whom we can deal on a transparent and reliable basis in your opinion? based on your personal diplomacy with it? >> the meetings that i have had and the meeting that the president has had -- they've been good. frank conversations. he is the most powerful leader of china since mae. he has also in many ways the institutionalized the chinese communist party. this, giving him even more cash pasadena and power. i think the way to think about it is how i spoke about this today. it is about actions, and so i want to evaluate once counterpart sitting across the table from them, it's important to think about how you can find common understandings and make progress. that in the end, it is not about what someone says or the agreement, but are they prepared to delete, to do the things they committed to? are they prepared to fulfill their promises? we watched this china walk away from their promises to the
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world on hong kong. secretary she promised obama at the rose garden in 2015 that he would not militarized the south china sea. google the south china sea and arms. you will see another promise broken. in the end, from my perspective, it is much more important to watch how leaders behave and how they lead then what it is you think we have a chance to talk to them on the phone or meet them in person. >> mister secretary, he said it's not containment. i heard it very clearly. i read these previous pre-speeches by ambassador bryan, director wray, attorney general barr and i listened to you very closely. it is a fairly comprehensive multidimensional relentlessly objective candor. is that dangerous in a world that is not used to speaking clearly about delegate sensors? >> i think president trump's experience is life as a businessman, it is the best policy is always true candor. identifying the places that you
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have a red line. identifying places that you have a real interest. making clear there are places where you don't. there are things you can work on alongside each other. i think the real danger comes from misunderstandings and miscommunication and the failure to be honest about the things that matter to, because others will move into that space, and then conflict arises. i think the world is a heck of a lot safer when you have leaders who are prepared to be honest about the things that matter, and prepared to talk about things that their nation is prepared to do to secure those interests. you can reduce risk by these conversations so long as you are honest about it. i don't think it's dangerous. i think it's just the opposite of that. >> he also said, and i'm sure the speech will be known as the distrust but verify speech, but when you distressed but verify, that premise verification is possible. it is still possible to do agreements and divide verify them. correct? >> it is. you can still do it.
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each nation has got to be prepared for a certain amount of intrusiveness connected to that. it is not in the nature of communist regimes to allow transparency inside of their country, and so it has been done before, we had arms controls agreements with the soviet union. we got verification that was sufficient to ensure that we protect american interests. i believe we can do it again. i hope that we can do this -- the chinese communist party has several hundred nuclear warheads. this is a serious global power. to the extent we can find common ground. a common set of understandings to reduce risk that there is ever a really bad day for the world, we ought to do it. it will require agreement and verification. >> ambassador richard, now the chairman of council on foreign relations said very recently, it may have been yesterday, or this morning, i saw this morning preparing quote, secretary pompeo does not speak of china but if the chinese communist party. if there is a china, as if there were a china apart from
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the party. this is meant to antagonize and make diplomacy impossible, quite a stance from an american chief of diplomat to take unless his goal is to ensure diplomacy fails. is that your goal? >> goodness. where to begin? it is a bit patronizing to the people of china to make such an assertion that they are not free thinking beings. that they are not rational people. they also were made in the image of god. they have all the capacity that anybody in the world does. to somehow think that we ought to ignore the voices, the people of china, seems to me the wrong approach. it is true. the chinese communist party is a one party rule. so we will deal with the chinese communist party as the head of state for china. we need to. we need to engage in dialog, but it seems to me we would dishonor ourselves and the people of china if we ignored
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them. >> ambassador bryan referenced, put heavy emphasis on ideology. marxism. it was almost quaint to hear that conversation again. it has gone from our vocabulary. the american people and especially american immediate need to reacquaint itself with what marxist-leninist leave, because the ccp jen genuinely does believe. it >> i always get in trouble with you when i comment on the media. i will say this much. for those of us who have lived and seen or observe observed marxist-leninist as well. they believe -- they have an understanding, a central understanding of how people interact in our societies and how they ought to interact. it is the case today, that leadership in china believes that. we should acknowledge that and make sure that we do not for a moment think that they do not believe it. it is what a facet or bryan speech. they believed in recognizing that we have to respond in a way that reflects our
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understanding of the way they view the world. >> let's talk about the chinese media for a moment. they are aggressive, to say the least. right now they are aggressively defending for tiktok. a small question within a large question. it's tiktok capable of being weaponized? is that an example of what is going on? and generally, chinese media has become far more aggressive than i have seen in 30 years since the first time of watching. it is that something you have noticed as well? >> yes, they are very aggressive. two pieces to this. when you hit upon is i will describe as their technology medium. without singling out any particular business. our views of these companies is we are neither for or against the company. we are about making sure that we protect the information that belongs to each of you. your health records, your face, if it's facial recognition software. your address. all the things that you want to
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make sure the chinese communist we have a responsibility to make sure that the systems that you are using do not give them access to that. whether it is the efforts we made against huawei or the work we are doing on other software firms, the american task is to protect the american people and information. the second piece has to do with what i call the state sponsor media of china. the disinformation. you should know, this is where i am concerned about the american media as well. these are state sponsored media organizations. they take their messaging for the chinese communist party each day. when american institutions pick up those storylines and carry them forward, they are propagating chinese propaganda, and we all ought to be wise and know there's an utter editorial in the new york times yesterday by someone who had a clear view that was antithetical to the american way of life. new york times ran it straight up without comment. forwarding -- albeit in the opinion section,
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but propagating chinese propaganda. that is certainly not constructive when they are telling senators from arkansas that they cannot simply talk about american freedom in that same media outlet. >> you mentioned that a lot of corporate america, and specifically hollywood, have gotten deep intertwined with the chinese economy. i don't want to talk about -- i want to talk about soft appeasement. one of my favorite sports figures, lebron james falls silent when chinese comes. up the new top gone top gun movie -- they've taken out the maverick jackets. they will not be in top gun. what do you say to those individuals, not the individuals but to everyone who has an american spotlight about their responsibility to be candid about the people's republic of china? >> hair is our ask. if you claim that you can care about human rights and social justice. if you make that part of your
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corporate theology, then you ought to be consistent. you cannot be consistent if you are operating there in china without talking about and acknowledging what the chinese communist party is doing in certain parts of the country. the oppression that is taking place. every business leader has got to make decisions for themselves. we have got to be able to live with the decisions that they may. you highlighted a few. i would simply ask this. if you run an entity and the united states government were to tell you you could not do something, put a particular symbol in your movie. put a particular name on your menu. if we were to tell you that, you would say that is not appropriate, and of course would not be appropriate. it seems to me that if you permit the chinese communist party to limit you in that way, it's got to be difficult for you to go home at night. >> more questions, mister secretary. because it is hot. it is warm and everyone's been in the sun for a while. you are west point graduate.
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as governor wilson noted, number one, this might be tough for you, but we are, like athens was, a naval power. like spart*a china is a land power. do we not have to change how we approach defense spending, to put more emphasis on our naval resources than our army resources? >> that is tough for an army guy to say. you are killing me. i will leave it to the secretary for the details of this. here's what i can say. when president trump set out our national security strategy early on in the administration, for the first time, we identify china in a way that was fundamentally different than we had done. for decades. that was important, because that was the signal to all, whether it's the safety or defense department, that we need to reorient our assets. so yes, you have seen the department of institute begin to do that. these are big things to turn. these budgets are multi year. it takes a while.
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but if you look at how secretary as vernon president trump are positioning our military capabilities, not just the tactical operational strategic capabilities, but cyber and space capabilities. if you look at how we are spending resources in the year two, three, four and five, we will see that our focus has shifted dramatically. it's not to say that our efforts to protect america from terrorism is behind us. we still have work to do there. i think this great power and challenge that presents itself is something that we have recognized and we begin to make sure that we allocate your money, our taxpayer resources that we have to the appropriate ends to achieve american security. >> my last question has to do with the former secretary of state, george marshall. also an army man. he gave a speech in 1947. he called on all the nations of the world to recognize that the world was in crisis and choose a side. he assured them and that famous address, that if you chose the american side, you could count
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on america. as you make the -- not just to europe where it is relatively easy to be outspoken. norway has found it to be not outspoken. but to taiwan and japan, vietnam and all of the australia, all of the nations of that region, can they rely on america and the way that people opposing the soviet union can rely on george marshals assurance in 1947? >> undoubtedly. undoubtedly. the only thing i will say is -- this language of pick a side does make sense to me, but i think about picking a side differently about picking america or china. i think the division, shirts and skins if you will, is between freedom and tyranny. i think that is the decision that we are asking for each of these nations to. make (applause) here is the good news to this. the good news is, it does take american leadership, often in
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this case to your point. they need to know that america will be there for them. i've seen the tide turn. in just these three and a half years of our administration, i've watched nations have less timidity. become more prepared to stand up for their freedoms and the freedoms of their people. we do not ask them to do this for america. we asked them to do it for their country and their nation. the freedom and the independence to protect the rights of their people. when we do that and we tell them a merica will be there, i'm very confident in the end that this is a world that with the hard work applied, will become one that is governed by a rules based order and the freedom of the american people will be secured. >> mister secretary, thank you for joining us here today. >> thank you all. (applause) >>, beginning at 8 pm eastern, a look at the 1960 lunch counter sit in this. in 1960, former african
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american student sat down at a segregated lunch counter in greensboro, north carolina, launching a civil rights movement that would spread to other cities throughout the country. university of massachusetts professor tracey parker joined american history tv and washington journal to take your question about desegregation protest from that time. watch american history tv tonight and over the weekend on c-span three.
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