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thanks for watching tonight everyone. join me tomorrow in the cnn newsroom with victor blackwell, from two to 4 pm eastern. and i will be back here tomorrow night. and with that, don lemon tonight starts right now. all yours, don. >> thank you very much, alison. you know, i would love to talk to. you but i have mr. john king standing by. >> that's. important >> yeah, and he's at the big board. >> i will let you know. >> thank you alison, i will see you later. big night. this is don lemon tonight. thank you for watching. we've got three big stories tonight, and they all intersect, and i'll explain in just a moment if you bear with me. right now, we are standing by for what is expected to be a doozy of a speech tonight from liz cheney. liz cheney is fighting for her political life in wyoming against the latest beneficiary of the trump revenge tour. and that is harriet hageman. the congresswoman, who is by the, way the vice chair of the
january six committee is going to make the case that she is at the beginning of the battle. and she is going to drop a blunt message, a warning, a message warning about the danger to america from this misinformation and. why remove what she told cnn earlier this month from the threat from the former president? here it is. >> if defending the constitution against the threat that he poses means losing a house seat, then that's a sacrifice i'm willing to make. i do not intend to lose. but, but some things are more important than any individual office or a political campaign. >> so, that's wyoming. we are also going to take you to alaska, right now. votes are still being cast their, where the former presidents trying to take down senator lisa murkowski for the -- for the uncharitable sin of voting to convict him in his second impeachment trial. now, make known stake though, this is no ordinary primary night. what we are learning tonight,
and the new revelations today about the january 6th investigation, could have a big impact on what direction this country might take in the midterms and beyond into 2020 before, and the on that, i should say. so, this is a big deal. there is a trunk backer, stranglehold the former president still seems to have on the gop, and whether the legal cloud hanging over him has actually enhanced his control over the party. there are too many people who do not have the courage that we've seen in this race, who will tie themselves up into knots to defend the former president. >> it concerns everybody if you have some agents go rogue. >> they want all trump arrested, they want him charge right now. they wanted him charge months ago, years ago. >> we have this list from the fbi, but we do not have conclusive as to whether or not this is classified material. >> so, still, the basic question is unanswered. what is in the documents? why did the former president take them, and then hold on to them in the first place? and what made the fbi move so
urgently to get them back? just today, we learned the fbi interviewed former white house lawyers pat cipollone and pat bowman, earlier this year as part of the criminal investigation of possible mishandling of classified misinformation and destruction. that is as the fbi finds 11 sets a classified documents, including some mark, top secret, sci. one of the highest levels of classification in its search of mar-a-lago. now, a federal judge in florida will be holding a hearing on thursday with requests to unseal the affidavit used in that search. and the many, many investigations just keep rolling on. tomorrow, trump's number one defender, really giuliani, has been ordered to appear before a georgia grand jury investigating the former president and his allies, if they violated the law in the efforts to overturn the election results in georgia. that, after prosecutors told him he is now a target of the grand jury. and in the face of all, that with the midterms looming,
president joe biden notches a big win, signing a sweeping 750 billion dollar health care, tax, and climate bill. his former boss calling it, a b f d. but can biden and his party show that they've done enough for the american people, to decide to keep them in control, in november? that remains to be seen. and we'll discuss all that tonight when we get to that. straight to john king, he's at the magic wall tonight, kaitlan collins at the white house, justice snyder has the latest on the many investigation surrounding the former president and his allies. good evening, one and all. john king, let's start with you. tonight's races, it will tell us a whole lot about the direction of the gop, possibly the country, with liz cheney fighting to keep her seat. tell us what we are seeing in wyoming right now. >> we will get to wyoming in just one second. maybe these investigation will ultimately weaken trump, maybe, maybe. but the salmon color on this map, those are house candidates endorsed by donald trump not to win their candidates.
that's a lot of trump. he is, still as of now, as we get late in the primary season, a huge influence. so, we are looking tonight, liz cheney, the tenth of the tenth house republicans who voted for donald trump to face a primary. now, for decide not to run for reelection. only to survive the primaries. only four counties in so far, analysts cheney, the incumbent congresswoman, the daughter of the former vice president, the daughter of the former wyoming congressman dick cheney at 30% of the vote. 65% if you run that of her harriet hagman. she is the trump backed challenger. this is hagman versus cheney, but is really trump versus cheney in the state of wyoming, don. you see the results coming in. harriet hageman at 60%, only 14% still counting. the counties that have reported votes, the salmon color of donald trump's candidates in the race. let's go back in time. why is this so hard phyllis cheney? yes, she was popular back home. but this is donald trump four years. ago you come back to this vote this race now, and as the votes come in, you can understand why liz cheney is writing a speech tonight saying, this is a
beginning. certainly the next chapter for her. >> let's talk about alaska now. because you're keeping tabs on lisa murkowski, right? she voted to convict trump in the second impeachment, john. that race will take time to shake out. what are you watching for? >> it will take time to shake up for a couple of reasons. never, won the polls won't close for a couple hours. number two, alaska for the first time is using this rank choice voting. so you vote for your first choice, they also fill out your second choice, your third choice, your fourth choice. so, it's going to take a while. so, we fully expect lisa murkowski will make the november ballot. four candidates will make the november ballot. these are the top three candidates in the state. kelly chewbacca is the republican challenger endorsed by trump. this is not traditional republican primary is not just one-on-one with a republican. the top four candidates advance. what we learned of? it will take a few days to count all the votes. but we will see if lisa murkowski comes out on top of all the candidates in november. we'll see if she comes out among for those candidates. everyone expects you will be among the top four, as they count of the next few days, will give us a sense, is she stronger than we think?
is she fine for november? is there a sense of weakness? we'll know as we count the votes the next few days. >> john, let's get to jessica snider. jessica, trump is a major fact and what's happening tonight. but there's also some big news in the january six investigation as well. his top lawyers, they are talking about these classified documents at least. i should say january, sixth as we don't know the connection. but the top lawyers, having to be interviewed about the documents from mar-a-lago? >> yeah, and it's actually big development today, because it means doj is talking to some big name witnesses. so, this is former white house counsel pat cipollone. his deputy, catherine field in. we learned, our team, learned that they were interviewed by the fbi earlier this year, in connection with the ongoing criminal probe into the possible mishandling of classified documents. we saw, you know, the search last monday. and they both could've answered some really crucial questions about trump's mindset, or his intent, if he in fact insisted on keeping those classified documents at mar-a-lago. because intent will ultimately
be crucial for prosecutors to know if they are actually going to charge trump or maybe top aides around him. so crucially, here, don, cipollone and film in where trump's designated reps to the national archives when trump left office. so, presumably, they know a lot, maybe, about the chain of command for those classified documents. possibly why they're talking to mar-a-lago. so the fact that they went to the fbi early this year is a big development in this case, specifically as to the criminal investigation into the classified documents. >> and what do we know, jessica, about the decision by -- the judge is supposed to make a decision on thursday on whether he is going to unseal that affidavit. >> so, they're having a hearing thursday 1 pm, court in florida. we're still waiting to hear trump's lawyers positions on whether to make the affidavit public. they are filing due tomorrow morning. the doj, though, has made their stance very clear on this. they are adamantly opposed to anything being released from the affidavit. you know, of course, the
details on the affidavit are what allowed the fbi to secure that search warrant. and doj has laid it out. they said it could possibly derail their entire investigation if anything is unsealed from the affidavit, because it could reveal, you know, specific investigative techniques. they also say it could reveal highly sensitive information about witnesses. so, you can expect the doj will be arguing forcefully against the unsealing of the affidavit in court on thursday, especially because, don, we're seeing that this investigation, this criminal investigation is still ongoing, still may be ramping up, especially with the revelation today that they did interview pat cipollone and patrick philbin earlier this year. >> yes. kaitlan collins now, president joe biden, looking ahead to the midterms and trying to give his party a boost there. just notching a big legislative win today, sending a sweeping 750 billion dollar health care, lost a tax and climate bill into law. when we see there, caitlin? >> yeah, this is a big deal for the white house.
you saw president obama refer to it as a -- it's a lot different than what the democrats were talking about last year, the build back better proposal. of course, that was the one they framed as really this sweeping change to these social safety net. it was going to have all this money and childcare, elder care, things of that nature. what president signed in law today is a much more slim down virgin, but is still a pretty substantial bill and. it still has a lot of the core priorities that democrats are pursuing. most notably, hundreds of billions of dollars in investments for fighting climate change, energy reform. they also want to work to lower health care costs. and by doing so, extending subsidies from the affordable care act. letting medicare negotiate drug prices for the first time. and they are paying for all of this by having a corporate minimum tax. so, that is something the white house has been pitching. it's now framed as the inflation reduction act. of course, there have been questions to the white house today, but to senator joe manchin, about whether or not is actually going to change much when it comes to what you're paying for gas, what you're paying for higher prices
in the grocery store right now. and senator manchin conceded today that it is not going to change things immediately. he says he believes the congressional budget office is wrong when they say it is not going to do much to change inflation this year. maybe a little bit next year. he said they've been wrong before. and he does think it will make a difference. but, regardless, this is going to see something that you see democrats and president biden trying to push out their voters ahead of those november midterm elections. which, right now, are expected to be fairly tough right now for democrats. >> caitlin, if democrats lose the midterms, republicans are planning to turn the tables of all of these investigations, right? what is at stake? here there's a lot of stake. >> they,, republicans in the house have promised to be very zealous when it comes to, overzealous, potentially, when it comes to these investigations that they like to pursue. they have said that they are going to, they have several topics they like to probe on, including, you've seen democrats or republicans raising in recent days this search war that was executed on former presidents home when it
comes as classified documents. they know that there are other avenues they want to pursue. hunter biden, president biden's, on the afghanistan withdrawal, several other topics as well. and the white house is well aware of that. that they know that if republicans do take back the house, where the subsistent majority come november, that there are going to be a series of investigations into every aspect, basically, of the biden administration. don, they have been preparing for that. they have brought people on the white house counsel's office. they have been meeting already in advance, paying close attention to the january six investigations, and whatnot. whether they know that this does happen in november, as the conventional wisdom stands right now, that is what it is going to look like. and so, that is something they are bracing for, of course, as they are going to be trying to get out there and boost democrats ahead of the midterm elections. >> kaitlan collins, jessica snider, john king, the gang is all here. it is a big night. you do not want to miss it. so, make sure you all stick around. and we are standing by for what is expected to be a major speech from liz cheney tonight in wyoming, as we watch the
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cnn's, jeff zeleny, is in jackson wyoming right now with the very latest. we're gonna keep you tuned. i will also get to our john king and chris wallace is going to join us in just a moment. let's listen to just eleni. jeff are you there? >> don i am. here we are watching liz cheney on the stage tonight. she is just taking the stage a few moments ago. she will be delivering a speech tonight that is described to me as a beginning, not a net. the beginning of what will be the battle for democracy for the rule of law just citing the scene here, her father and former vice president dick cheney. her mother lynn cheney. they have taken their seats. of course, he was alongside her which she was voting earlier today. but you can see this picturesque scene here just outside of jackson on a cattle ranch. she'll be delivering the speech that she's been writing all day herself. she has been knowing this defeat was coming. she has been preparing for this. but again, the theme of this is to turn the page forward.
that is what she will try to do tonight. but of course, we do have to acknowledge a tough road that this republican party, donald trump, clearly is still in control of the gop. >> standby jeff i want to get to jane miguel. jamie you know that this has been focused on winning over the last couple of weeks. but also her main focus has been being a co-chair. the vice chair of the january six committee. that ultimately hurt her in her own district. >> that is true. but, as she herself said, she tweeted earlier today. proud to cast my ballot. and the challenge are we are facing or requiring serious leaders who will abide by their oath and uphold the constitution, no matter what. and as she is stepping up, i just want to say one thing don, before she speaks. i have spoken to liz cheney. she is not. going anywhere not quietly. >> listen to liz cheney.
>> wonderful to see so many friends and family. especially wonderful to be here on the beautiful ranch. and thank you so much, predicate for that wonderful under introduction. we really are and god's country. it is wonderful to welcome so many here. i want to say, first of all, a special thanks to every member of team cheney who was here in the audience. and to tell you our work is far from over. among the many many blessings that we have as americans and as individuals and as human beings. the blessing a family is surely the most important. so i want to thank all of my family. and pay a special tribute to those who are with us tonight. my mom and dad. they can land cheney.
my husband phil this. . and four of our five kids are here. katie and gracie and philippe and richard. they are all here tonight. and elizabeth is starting law school today, so we'll have another generation carrying on dedication to the constitution and to our freedom. a little over a year ago, i received a note from a gold star father. he said to me standing up for truth honors all who gave all. and have thought of his words every single day since then. i thought of them because they are a reminder of how we must all conduct ourselves. we must conduct ourselves in a way that is worthy of the men and women who wear the uniform of this nation. in particular, of those who have given the ultimate sacrifice. this --
this is not a game. every one of us must be committed to the internal defense of this miraculous experiment called america. and at the heart of our democratic process our elections. they are the foundational principle of our constitution. two years ago. i won this primary with 73% of the vote. i could easily have done the same again. the path was clear. but it would've required that i go along with president trump's lie about the 2020 election. it would've required that i enable his ongoing efforts to unravel our democratic system. and attack the foundations of our republic. that was a path i could not and would not take.
[applause] [applause] no house seat. no office in this land. is more important than the principles that we are all sworn to protect. and i well understood the potential political consequences of abiding by my duty our republic relies upon the goodwill of all candidates for office. to accept, honorably, the outcome of elections. tonight harriet hageman, has received the most votes in this primary. she won. i called her to concede the race. this primary election is over. but now the real work begins. this [applause] the great and original champion of our party, abraham lincoln, was defeated in elections for the senate and the house before he won the
most important election of all. lincoln ultimately prevailed, he saved our union, and he defined our obligation as americans for all of history. speaking at gettysburg, of the great task, remaining before us lincoln said. that we hear highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain. that this nation, under got, shall have a new birth of freedom. and that government of the people, by the people, and for the people, shall not perish from this earth. as we meet here tonight, that remains our greatest and most important task. most of world history is a story of violent conflict. of servitude and suffering. most people and most places have not lived in freedom. our american freedom is a providential departure from history. we are the exception. we have been giving the gift of freedom by god and our founding
fathers. it has been said that the long arc of history bends towards justice and freedom. that is true. but only if we make it bend. today, our highest duty is to bend the arc of history to preserve our nation and its blessings. to ensure that freedom will not perish. to protect the very foundations of this constitutional republic. never in our nation's 246 years have we seen what we saw on january 6th. like so many americans, i assumed that the violence and the chaos of that day would have prompted a united response. a recognition that this was online that must never be crossed. a tragic chapter in our nation's history to be studied by historians, to ensure that it can never happen again. but instead, major elements of my party still be humanly defend those who caused it. at the heart of the attack on
january 6th is a willingness to embrace dangerous conspiracies. that attack the very core premise of our nation. that lawful elections, reviewed by the courts when necessary, and certified by the states and electoral college. determine who serves as president. if we do not condemn the conspiracies and the lies. if we do not hold those responsible to account. we will be excusing this conduct it will become a feature of all elections. america will never be the same. today, as we meter, there are republican candidates for governor who deny the outcome of the 2020 election. eight who may refuse to certify future elections if they oppose the results. we have candidates for secretary of state, who may refuse to report the actual results of the popular vote in future elections. and we have candidates for congress, including here in wyoming, who refuse to
acknowledge that joe biden when the 2020 election and suggest that states decertify the results. our nation, is barreling, once again towards crisis, lawlessness, and violence. no american should support election deniers for any position of genuine responsibility. where their refusal to follow the rule of law will corrupt our future. [applause] [applause] our nation is young in the history of mankind. yet we are the oldest democracy in the world. our survival is not guaranteed. history has shown us, over and over again, how poisonous lies destroy free nations. over the last several months. in the january 6th hearings. the american people have watched dozens of republicans, including the most, senior officials. working for president trump in the white house, the justice department, and on his campaign
people who serve president trump loyally, testify that they all told him the election was not stolen or rigged. there was no massive fraud. that is why president trump, and others, invent excuses, pretext, for people not to watch the hearings at all. but no citizen of this republic is a bystander, all of us have an obligation to understand what's actually happened. we cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation. to believe donald trump's election lies you must believe that dozens of federal and state courts who ruled against him, including many judges he appointed were all corrupted and biased. that all manner of crazy conspiracy theory stole our election from us. and that donald trump actually remains president today. as a last week, you must also believe that 30 career fbi agents who have spent their lives working to serve our
country, abandon their honor and their oath and went to mar-a-lago, not to perform a lawful search or address a national security threat. but instead, with a secret plan, to plant fake incrementing documents and the boxes they seized. this is yet another insidious lie. donald trump knows that voicing these conspiracies will provoke violence and threats of violence. this happened on january 6th and it is now happening again. it is entirely foreseeable that the violence will escalate further. yet she and others continue, purposely, to feed the danger. today, our federal law enforcement is being threatened. a federal judge is being threatened. fresh threats of violence are rising everywhere. and despite knowing all of this, donald trump recently released the names of the fbi agents involved in the search. that was purposeful and
malicious. no patriotic american should excuse these threats or be intimidated by them. our great nation, must not be ruled by a mob provoked over social media. [applause] [applause] our duty as citizens of this republic is not only to defend the freedom that has been handed down to us. we also have an obligation to learn from the actions of those who came before. to know the stories of greats and perseverance. and the brave men and women who have built and saved this union. and the lives of these great americans, we find inspiration and purpose. in may, of 1864, after years of war and a string of reluctant union generals. ulysses s grant met general leads forces at the battle of the wilderness. in two days of heavy fighting,
the union suffered over 17,000 casualties. at the end of that battle general grant faced a choice. most assumed he would do what previous union generals have done. and retreat. on the evening of may 7th, grant began to move. as the fires of the battle still smoldered, grant wrote to the head of the column, he wrote to the intersection of brock road and orange pike road. there, as the man of his army watched and waited, instead of turning north back towards washington and safety. grant turned his horse south. towards richmond. and the heart of these army. refusing to retreat, he pressed on to victory. lincoln in grant and all who fought in our nation's tragic civil war, including my own great great grandfather saved our union. their courage saved freedom. and if we listen closely, they
are speaking to us down the generations. we must not idly squander what's so many have fought and died for. america has meant so much to so many, because we are the best hope of freedom on earth. last week in laramie, a gentleman came up to me with tears in his eyes. i am not an american, he said. but my children are. i grew up in brazil. i do -- i know how fragile freedom is, and we must not lose it. here a few days ago, here in jackson, a woman told me her grandparents had survived auschwitz. they found refuge in america. she said she was afraid that she had nowhere to go, if freedom died. here ladies and gentlemen, freedom must not, cannot, and will not die here. [applause] we must be very
clear eyed about the threat we face, and what is required to defeat it. i have said since january 6th that i will do whatever it takes to ensure donald trump is never again near the oval office, and i mean it. [applause] this is a fight for all of us together. i am a conservative republican. i believe deeply in the principles and ideals on which my party was founded. i love it's history. and i love what our party has stood for. but i love my country more. [applause] so, i ask you tonight to join me, as we leave here, let us resolve that we will stand together, republicans, democrats, and independents, against those who would destroy our republic.
they are angry, and they are determined. but they have not seen anything like the power of americans united in defence of our constitution, and committed to the cause of freedom. there is no greater power on this earth. and with god's help, we will prevail. thank you all. god bless you. god bless wyoming. god bless the united states of america. thank you guys. >> liz cheney, in jackson, wyoming, conceding two harriet hageman, in her primary lost their. called very early. i would call it a barn burner of a speech. chastising members of her party saying that she would do everything in her power not to allow donald trump near the oval office again. and getting applause from those in the crowd, as well. there is a crowd of supporters there in jackson, wyoming. i want to bring in cnn chief correspondent dana bash, neil malika henderson, chris wallace, and also the host of --
cnn's who's talking to chris wallace. and cnn political director david shot. and cnn special correspondent jamie wrangle. also here in. the a lot of folks consider this a big night. and there is lots going on. first though, to jamie gangel. jeanne, we are speaking, and as you are speaking, giving your answer, liz cheney got up to give her speech tonight. but what did you think of it? she did not hold back. >> she did not. and i do not think, you know, we should be surprised. i thought that one of the most powerful thing she said, don, was when she said that she talked about the two years ago she won with 73% of the vote. and she said that she could've done that again, and then she said, quote, that would have required that i go along with president trump's lie about the 2020 election. it would've required that i enable his ongoing efforts to unravel our democratic system, and attack the foundations of our republic.
look, you know, don, liz cheney has made it clear since she voted to impeach donald trump. and with her work of the vice chair of the january six committee, that she sees donald trump as a clear and present danger. that she believes democracy is in peril. and she is known for quite some time that she was likely to lose tonight. but that fighting for that democracy was more important than keeping her seat in congress, john. >> she said no how seat office is that important. she also said she called harriet hageman, and she congratulated her on the win. and she said now the real work begins. you know, dana, i want to bring in dana bash. dana, are you surprised he worked so hard on the speech? >> no, i'm not. there is one bit though, that i'm surprised about, which i will tell you in a second. >> mar-a-lago -- >> exactly.
exactly. oh, she's going to go there too. but before we get to that, what was so fascinating -- how many concession speeches have we listen to over the years from politicians? this was -- this was a confession speech, but this was a opening gambit campaign speech all in one. she is not running for anything in particular yet, maybe not ever, i mean, she might run for president in the republican primary process. but even if she does not, this campaign that she is launching, although it's not necessary one for office. it is a campaign very explicitly, very intentionally, to defeat donald trump, trumpism, and everything about it because she says it is such a -- she says it will make the republic crumble. on mar-a-lago, yes, we heard her talk about january 6th, obviously, so many times. and the whole thrust of her criticism of donald trump has been in and around stealing the
election. this is different. this is a new avenue of criticism that she did not have to go there, at all. she's got enough from january 6th, and she did. >> she did not. but she brought up lincoln, she said lincoln was defeated in the house and senate before, but then went on to win the ultimate seat in the land. i certainly thought, you know, she's saying -- >> or maybe she's going to be in the general, because we talk about ran to. >> were you surprised by the speech? anything in the speech? because we're basically taking notes here. and i just stopped because there is so much jewish saying. she really went in. >> what struck me was the reference to lincoln, and the reference to grant, and the comparison to the civil war. and i think she was very explicitly say the justice, our union was in jeopardy, life or death jeopardy, back in the 1860s, that the union is in jeopardy today. and that is a pretty stark way. she talked about a civil war that saved our union, and that
is the threat that we face today, that what we are facing today is -- what went on in the great civil war. and obviously at the end, she did not talk about a specific role. but she called on americans to join her and stand together against those who would destroy our countries. look, i suspect she's not being coy. i do not think she knows what form that is going to take, whether that will be a presidential campaign, or some kind of a citizen's movement, like an anti-war movement, in this case, an anti trump movement. the other thing i would say, is in the civil war, she declared war on donald trump and donald trump's republican party. and she specifically called on americans not to vote for the dozens of election deniers who have won republican nominations for the governorship, or the secretary of state roles in various states, which would have a dramatic role in 2024 in
whether or not elections are certified are not. >> i think the civil war motif, don, is why she brought up mar-a-lago. i think she wanted to tie, it sounded like, in a speech, donald trump releasing the name of fbi agents. and then the violence, or the threats, warning that has been put out since the mar-a-lago search and seizure of his property. i think she wanted to tie in the real violence we've, seen and the threats of violence that we've heard about, from the government, to this whole notion of this brewing potential civil war. i do think though -- she was a truth teller tonight. that's the other thing that liz cheney has on her side. she has the truth. she has the truth about the 2020 election. so when she cites these republican nominees who have won their primaries, who deny the truth about the 2020 election, she has that on her side. and i think she leaned and sort of to being a truth teller
tonight. and you said she congratulated harriet hageman. maybe i missed. it >> she said she called her. >> i didn't hear. what she said is i called, or she won. i called her to concede. the primary is over. there was no congratulations. and later, after she went through the litany of gubernatorial candidates or whatever, she also noted quite clearly there, were some republicans in the state of wyoming, shoes are referring to harriet hageman, who have bought into the election lie that donald trump uses in the 2020 election. that's so dangerous as well. and the final thing i will add, it was a call to arms of citizenship. this whole notion that no american citizen can be a bystander to this right. now that every american citizen is needed to bend that arc, towards justice in this moment. i thought, you know, that's part of her appeal that is crossing party lines, right now. >> you're right about. that andrus flexibly, called the opponent, and congratulate them.
and i know that she did not -- call it tonight, said she did win, she -- we need to accept the results of elections and that is nothing in her republican party given what trump has done. given what harriet hageman has done in denying the results of a free and fair election. liz cheney is telling americans that our democracy is fragile, right? if you think about american democracy, it's really only about 60 years old, right? where everyone could actually vote. so, she is calling on americans, saying, listen, this is a five alarm fire, are you going to gather and put this fire out? it has been set by donald trump, it has been fueled by his allies. and listen, she is lonely in her party. and in some ways, she is sort of lowly in the american political space. there are not a lot of people who are sounding this alarm in the way she is doing. a great risk. obviously, we saw what happened
when she lost, because she has been willing to confront donald trump over and over again. she will continue to do it. will she gain any traction within her own party? beyond what she has now? and or will she wake american up to what she sees as a real crisis for the country? >> history has shown us how poisonous lies have room nations. trump and his allies, she says they invented pretax to get people not to watch the hearings, and to believe his lies. and you have to believe donald trump's lies and all the judges and courts that they are all biased if you believe the election lies, or you believe what trump and his allies are selling. >> you know what struck me, was this was a woman totally at peace with herself and with the decisions that she made. and was pointed out, she said i won 70%, two years ago in the primary. i could've done it again. this is, you know, she has given up a lot. and in a world where we see a lot of politicians who shade
things, or flatly deny things, that they privately believe, for their own personal gain, she has gone in a very different direction, and thrown away a very promising career in the republican party, because of her strong feelings about donald trump. and there was not an ounce, not a scintilla, of doubt or hesitation about it. it was i chose to go down this path, i understood what this was going to cost me, and full speed ahead. >> what you have to understand about liz cheney, especially there are a lot of democrats and liberals who are, you know, loving liz cheney right. now but liz cheney said she is a conservative republican. >> very conservative. >> i love the republican party. but i love my country more than i love any party. and what they have to understand in this moment is she is right. we all have to stand up for our democracy, including journalists, including everyone. we have to tell the truth. and we have to stand up to the lies of a former president who was going to attack liz cheney, journalist, american citizens
who may, who don't believe in his lies. and that is the truth. she is a truth teller. >> yeah, and so much of this is blurred. so much of the reporting from jeff zeleny and others out in wyoming, talking to voters, saying she's too far to the left. she's too far to the left. it's not, it's not left. it's not about the traditional lines, party lines, left and right, are not relevant here. they are totally not relevant here. they are relevant when we are talking about the kind of legislation that just passed in congress, about basic, should we have low taxes or bigger government? those are conversations that are really important policy debates that still go on. that is not what this is about. this is about whether or not, in her words, freedom will die here. make sure that freedom will not die here. she fundamentally believes, and she says it over and over, that if donald trump and trump-ism is not stopped, that is what will happen.
>> i want to talk to you, when we come, back what the cheney family, and the cheney name means in wyoming. i heard reports by people who are casting their votes for harriet hageman, we're actually sat, they cried on camera because he cast his vote against liz cheney, that's the first time he cast his vote against a cheney in his history as a adult voter. stick around, liz cheney loses in wyoming, the gop primary, loses to trump backed harriet hageman, and drops a barn burner of the speech, saying now the real work begins. we will be right back.
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gop primary tonight but declaring our work is far from over. those are her words. back then a bash, chris wallace, david chalian, and jamie gangel. jamie, what is her next move. she talked about grant, she talked about lincoln, maybe she's handing out something especially when she said lincoln was defeated in the house and senate before winning the ultimate seat in the land. but maybe a brady too much into that? >> i don't think you are don. look, she did not announce that she is running for the white house tonight but she is certainly left the door open. and what you just quoted there says that. i think that liz cheney has made a decision that as she said, she is going to do whatever it takes to keep donald trump from ever being president again. so what does that look like?
does she run as a republican? is there a base for a liz cheney republican in primaries today? does she run as an independent? i think these are all decisions that, as david chalian has said, they come down the road. but is the door open? absolutely. i just want to mention one other think. there's a line in her speech where she said that after january 6th, she said like so many americans, i assume that the violence and the chaos of that day. would have prompted a united response. a recognition that this was all lined that might never be crossed. i've spoken to her over this period of time. i remember at the beginning, after the impeachment of donald trump's when she started to run for office. she really believed that she
could almost go person to person, voters to werner, and wyoming. and convince them that this was about the rule of law. about democracy. about the constitution. about saving the country. she very quickly realized that wyoming was donald trump country. and that no matter what she did there were months that would not be changed. so i think she is known for a long time that this night was coming. and she has been thinking about the next step for many months now. >> david, if she does decide to run in 2024, you heard hillary rosen last night on cnn. democratic strategist saying, henry rosen sake, that liz cheney will find herself in alien -- there's not a party that will accept. or democratic or republican. >> jamie just said that liz cheney learned quickly that wyoming is trump country. another way to say that is, liz
cheney has learned quickly to the republican party is trump country. that is the reality that we see. by the way, notice with harriet hageman said tonight in her victory speech and what the rnc, the republican national committee put out under statement, the way they are painting this is that this is what happens when you don't pay attention to what your constituents want you to focus on. they're trying to just paint this as this aberration. who chose to not focus on the things that are most important to her constituents. that she got out of step with their constituents. i think that very statement notion is would poses a problematic path to her in a presidential nominate race. i think that the republican primary electorate, that exist right now, everything that we know about it, would suggest that there is not a ton of market share there for this cheney to actually have a path to the nomination. given her current mission to be
everything anti donald trump. >> is there some truth to what the republican national committee is saying and harry tegan? that she basically made herself relevant to the voters of wyoming. i was talking about a report that i heard on npr. this older gentlemen started crying and say this is the first time he voted against the cheney, because she has made herself not useful to the voters of wyoming. he was sad about it. he voted for hageman and he voted for her grudgingly. he didn't want to do it. >> jeff zeleny and is reports over the last week have include a lot of reporters who said she just are focusing exclusively on the january 6th issue. and that is not my -- that is not i'm a parody list. >> how much damage can see due to trump at this point? she's going to have a big platform until election day.
because she's still gonna be the vice chair and really the leading voice of the january six committee. i know there could have hearings again in the fall. so she can continue to play a role. but out of office, i just think about this, what is the platform? sure she can campaign against trump and plenty of other people are campaigning against trump. someone mentioned the idea of her running as an independent. that would be disastrous. she runs as an independent she only helps. trump because he's a democrat who's getting people don't like trump. and she's getting people who don't like trump. guess what, that helps trump. if she runs in the republican primary. that only makes it a more fraction aided feel. the more candidates who have given little slices of the pie. the fairly big slice that donald trump would have. as -- >> she's a woman on an island right now. >> she is. i think it's a very good night for donald trump.
a very good night for trumpism. he is sending a message to anyone who is in office that if you crossed me your career in politics, and the republican party, is over. i think he's like 18 to in terms of the people who voted to impeach him. they either retired or lost to and they will see if they go on to win in november. he is doing quite well. this is what he wanted to do. he wanted to exact his revenge against folks like liz cheney. he was able to do that. obviously, she is taking her own pound of flesh as well with the january 6th committee. but this was a good night for donald trump and all of his allies. >> what does this race say about the republican party? >> it says wet near. which is that the republican party, not that we did know this before, a big data point. we see that a cheney lost so big in wyoming.
and it is trump's party. it is what i've said and i've said for a long time. when i do think we look at what's next, i do think we have to think about the term campaign and a non-traditional way. we think about campaign as i am running for office. or i want this to happen. i want this for myself. and i'm not saying that she is not, you know, she is a politician and she wants to have a say in public discourse. but she also as if every famous person who will use her megaphone and her platform to keep saying the thing that she said. she said she will get a lot of attention. >> so we will see. but there is a network cool turn her down if she offers that she wants to come on. social able to discuss all of this. thank you all, what a night, we are planning another show.
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