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trump's basement and why. the department of justice says it opposes the release of the affidavit behind the search warrant. that's the document where prosecutors lay out in detail their probable cause to believe a crime was committed and why they thought they would find evidence at the former president's home. in a new filing, the doj writes, quote, disclosure at this juncture of the affidavit supporting probable cause would cause significant and irrepairable damage to this ongoing criminal investigation. it contains highly sensitive information about witnesses, specific investigative techniques and information required by law to be kept under seal. if disclosed, the affidavit would serve as a roadmap to the government's ongoing investigation. okay. that's new information. there are three key take aways in this filing. number one, they say there's an ongoing criminal investigation. in other words, this is more than just a retrieval of sensitive documents. number two, they say, quote, revelation of witness identities
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would impact their willingness to cooperate with the investigation. that means that someone or more than one person is cooperating with the doj. and number three, disclosure of the government affidavit would chill future cooperation in other high-profile investigations. what are those other investigations? the doj also adds, quote, the government does not object to unsealing other materials filed in connection with the search warrant whose unsealing would not jeopardize the integrity of this national security investigation. mark warner and marco rubio sent a private letter yesterday to the director of national intelligence and attorney general merrick garland to request more information on the records seized. and the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee, mike mccall, made this argument on cnn earlier. >> the affidavit of probable cause in support of the warrant, we need to see that in congress on the intelligence committee.
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if it's such a national security threat, then why weren't we briefed? and we would like to be briefed on that issue. >> it's interesting to see former president trump in this situation, since we all remember how vehemently he kcampaigned o the protection of classified info. >> we also need the best protection of classified information. in my administration, i'm going enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. no one will be above the law. >> and that brings us to another major development today, involving a different investigation, this one in georgia. donald trump's former lawyer, rudy giuliani, was told this morning by prosecutors that he is a target of the special grand jury criminal probe into the 2020 election interference, raising the serious threat of a potential indictment. giuliani was ordered to appear in person before that same grand
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jury this week. joining me now to help unpack all of this, we have former federal process cue elie honig, we have miles taylor, former dhs chief of staff under the trump administration, and john avlon. gentlemen, great to have all of you here. ellie, unpack this doj statement for us. >> first of all, if this affidavit comes out, it will blow the lid off this whole thing. for comparison sake, we've seen two documents unsealed. the search warrant, three pages, receipt for property, three pages, mostly a checklist. this document, over/under, 100 pages. it will give us the narrative of how doj established probable cause. i understand why doj is fighting the release of this. it will be dreadful for their investigation. it could deter current and potential future cooperating witnesses. and frankly, it's not fair to the person who's being investigated. everyone, including donald trump, has a right to be
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presumed innocent. and doj should not be in the business of getting out there and making statements before anyone's been charged saying, hey, everyone, here's all our evidence that makes us think he probably committed a crime. >> what about the lawmakers on the intel committees. can they see this stuff? >> that's a tough decision for merrick garland. the prosecutorial purist in me says, absolutely not. i don't want to trust anybody. i don't want to marng this up to capitol hill. i think if i was in merrick garland's shoes, i would brief the smallest number of people with as little detail as possible. >> miles, you have been in the room when president trump was handling classified info. does any of this come as a surprise to you? >> not at all. alisyn, this is sum of our fears from that time period, which is cabinet secretaries, assistants to the president would be worried about briefing donald trump on sensitive information because he would go talk about these things with people. we've seen donald trump tweeting out photos from spy satellites,
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you know, allegedly revealed very sensitive intelligence in the oval office to the russians. i remember getting that phone call and my jaw dropping. i was just outside the oval office once when a group of reporters were in there and the president took fistfuls of classified information and waved them in front of the reporters and bragged about what he had access to. there was also a photographer in the room. afterwards we made sure pictures hadn't been taken. this was a big concern. what i will say that people aren't pointing to is how serious the information leveling is. secret information is defined under law as information that if released could cause grave damage to national security. top secret, if released, could cause exceptionally grave damage to national security. what we're talking about according to reports is information that's even above. that's what's called sci, sensitive compartmented information. these are the things we would worry about if donald trump looked at them, that those sources and methods, those sensitive pieces of information could get out could result in
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lives lost and danger to this country. that's what we're talking about, and anyone else would go to jail for taking those documents outside the government. >> one of the interesting things is hearing donald trump explain what happened. first he said that the fbi basically stole his possessions. and in a different truth social message, he said that the fbi planted the information. so, in other words, they brought 20 boxes of highly classified information into a padlocked room and planted it there? i'm not sure about that houdini trick. >> it's almost like it's inconsistent in a desperate string of lies, isn't it, alisyn? that's what we're dealing with here. we've got somebody desperately changing his story midstream and knowing his base will back him up and hoping logic doesn't apply. there is a question, whether equal justice under the law applies to donald trump and whether donald trump should be held to basic standards that
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other civilians should be held the basic argument at the end of the day, you know what? if the president does it, it's not illegal, especially if donald trump does it. >> i do want to talk about that because the process of declassification. is it what basically former trump is saying, which is you can wave a magic wand if you're the president and go, poof, you're declassified. is that how it works? >> constitutionally, yes, okay? the declassification authority rests with the chief executive. that's the president. the president is not just the head of the executive branch. he is the executive branch. there are all manner of forms and protocols skand procedures d worksheets that one should follow so it's done in an orderly matter so people know what's classified and declassified. but if we're talking about just the law and constitutionally, the president has the power. and it cannot be -- no pun intended -- it cannot be trumped because one of the agencies in the executive branch has come up with a worksheet that wasn't filled out. so, we do need to keep that in
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mind. the law allows very broad -- perhaps even broader than we like -- but the reality is very broad declassification authority. >> miles, that doesn't make sense. how can any president say, poof, you're declassified and never fill out any paperwork and not tell anybody that. >> i think we're going to have a national commission on this after the fact because both sides are going to be upset depending on the outcome of this case. but i've got to side with ellie here. i think it's egregious if donald trump left the white house with this information. you can see him saying in his early defense, it was declassified. this is speculative, but i really, really doubt donald trump proactively declassified any of this upon leaving. but it's very hard to show that. he does have extensive authority in this space, as commander in chief. he could say, yes, i declassified on the day i was leaving office. and there's no provision in the constitution that says, this is how that has to be done. if it went up to the supreme
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court, probably the supreme court would side in his favor. >> two things if i can -- >> wait, let me just say. he has very broad authority to declassify, but there's a legitimate question about whether he did. >> if he didn't tell anybody, how will we ever know? >> this is the fundamental problem, the argument will be he could have declassified something on his mind on 11:59 a.m. on january 5th and it's all legit, even as the boxes are loaded up to mar-a-lago. the practical problem on this has to do with little things like richard nixon, the whole court case around nixon v. united states said the tapes are his personal possession. people said, no. do you just lack the wit to declassify all of that? the larger point is donald trump gets treated like a malevolent child and executions are made. no other expresident would ever -- we would not think someone would take highly classified documents, put them in his basement, and say they're his. >> that's different if it's
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constitutionally okay. that's just different. it might be constitutionally okay. >> i'm going to defend your point, john. i think if push comes to shove on this, we should live in a nation of laws where when the president exercises an authority, it should be documented. >> yes. >> and if the president's going to declassify something, whether he writes it on a cocktail napkin or the form that ellie mentioned, it should be documented. that's what this could turn on if it went up to the high standard. >> if you're going to hold everybody to the cocktail napkin standard. stick around. john, thank you. stick around also. donald trump's messaging about this search of his home has been particularly confusing. why? his former press secretary, stephanie grisham is here, next. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabebetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system.
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we've heard a lot of different stories from donald trump since the feds retrieved more than 20 boxes of classified material from his home one week ago today. fers he said he'd been, quote, working and cooperating with government agencies. then he claimed authorities could have had documents any time they wanted, though they had been asking for them for more than a year. then he tried to claim the information was planted by fbi agents, though he said it was padlocked. then he claimed he declassified the documents, though he didn't say how or where or when. then he said they're protected by attorney/client or executive privilege. now today he's claiming the fbi stole his three passports along with everything else. more importantly, he's attacking the fbi again with heating rhetoric, as it faces unprecedented death threats, despite saying the temperature needs to be brought down. let's bring in stephanie grisham for help with all of this. stephanie, great to see you.
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is this call just flooding the zone? is this just designed to create chaos, or what do you see here? >> thank you for having me. good to see you. i have been saying, you know, there's this playbook in trump world, and it's deny, destroy, distract. he's doing his best to deny. and obviously he's doing his best to destroy, and that comes in the form of attacking doj, law enforcement, fbi, et cetera. and now i think we're in the distract mode where he's honestly trying to throw anything at the wall that will stick. and if he finds a message that will stick, i think that's what he'll stick with -- no pun intended there. it's interesting to watch him because he doubles, triples, quadruples down on his message. that tells me there are people around him saying, this isn't working. you can't be saying this, et cetera, et cetera. it's interesting to me he said he reached out to merrick garland about taking the temperature down.
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you can do that, sir. i hope someone is watching. you can do that by going to truth social. you can do that by telling anybody on fox or all your surrogates by saying, there is no room for violence here. innocent until proven guilty. i don't buy the whole, we've reached out, we have to take the temperature down. i think someone has told him maybe he's taken it too far this time. >> what do you think his mindset is thonight? >> paranoia and anger if i had to guess. i was speaking with somebody in trump world today, and we were talking about what it must be like. we saw some crazy things -- and he was always very paranoid. he always was very paranoid, that's something i've talked about before, paranoid about leakers, et cetera. he was also paranoid about odd things. he thought people were stealing from him a lot. when i saw the whole fbi stole my passport, that came as no surprise to me. i think he's angry and he's
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paranoid. i would imagine he's nervous. there are so many investigationing happening and so much news coming it's hard to keep up. >> stephanie, to that point, one of the things the doj said in their statement was putting out the affidavit would be endanger the sources, basically, that they have been using. in other words, there is somebody in trump world who has been cooperate being the doj and giving them this information. and the doj has to protect that person or persons. so, how does donald trump respond to that? >> well, in -- you know, i think the paranoia, it's got to be at, you know, def con 5 right now. i can't imagine what it's like to be around him right now, he's got such a small circle. that's why republicans are working so hard to get the after daft. i don't think it's because they want transparency. i think it's because they want to rout out who might be cooperating. i thought someone was cooperating to know where the
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documents were, what room in mar-a-lago, et cetera. i'm glad the doj is standing firm there, because as we've seen with the rhetoric with the fbi and the doj, whoever is cooperating, if it's one or more, that person could be in danger at some point when, you know, this all comes out. so, i'm glad they're standing strong there. >> but in danger from whom? >> well, trump supporters. i mean, look at what is happening right now. look at what people are saying about killing fbi agents, killing anybody involved with this, killing merrick garland. it's been shown that anybody who speaks out against trump will be threatened. i have been threatened. cassidy hutchinson, olivia troye. all of the people who have spoken out have been threatened. and i think that that's important that doj is standing strong to protect this witness. i also think it protects the integrity of the case because there might be other people who want to come forward. and if it looks like you can't do it confidentially, why would you want to come forward? it's scary to come forward. >> it's interesting to hear that some in trump world want the affidavit released because,
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okay, it might help them rout out whoever is the cooperator. but it also would reveal so much. does donald trump want the affidavit with everything it reveals in terms of what the doj thinks he abskonted with, basically. >> i know that sounds crazy to most people, as it should. but, yeah, they would probably want to know, you know, what's in there so they can form messaging around it and figure out how to deny, distract, destroy people. i think they want to know as much as they can so they can start making excuses and formulating lies. >> and in terms of the rhetoric that donald trump is using and that his republican supporters, even lawmakers, are echoing, can they still claim to be -- i mean, it's so anti-law enforcement. do they have any claim still to being a pro-police party? >> i don't -- i don't see how
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they do. you can't, you know, talk about protecting law enforcement and how important they are on one side of your mouth and then saying, you know these people planted evidence, they're all corrupt, it's all deep state. i'm just -- i'm so disappointed in my party right now. and at the very least, couldn't you say, let's wait and see what happens? why do you have to put literal marks on these people's backs. they're doing their jobs. these are people doing their jobs. so, it's disappointing. and i don't see how they move away from it, which is why i almost think they're kind of doubling down. i think they've all crossed a line in the sand that they can't get back from at this point. >> stephanie grisham, thanks for the insight. great to talk to you. >> thank you so much. it's the eve of another election we will be watching closely. liz cheney is fighting to keep her seat in tomorrow's gop primary in wyoming. the vice chair of the january 6th committee is facing a steep
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liz cheney. but it is an uphill battle for her to keep that seat after she voted to impeach donald trump and then became the vice chair of the january 6th committee. trump won wyoming with almost 70% of the vote in 2020. and at the moment, cheney is running almost 30 percentage points behind her trump-backed opponent harriet hageman. cheney is even asking democrats to switch parties to vote for her. i want to get perspective from two wyoming voters, one who did switch parties just to vote for cheney, and the other a republican who plans to vote against liz cheney. let's start with myrna. thanks so much for your time. what don't you like about liz cheney? >> well, i think one thing that stands out to me at this point in time is that, while she has been a very conservative vote in the legislature, she just seems to be swinging a little bit more
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toward the left. but even before that in the last couple of years, it just does not feel she really represents the state anymore. >> let's talk about that, myrna, because when you say she's swinging more towards the left, i think she voted on -- in terms of the issues, she is where donald trump is. she voted with donald trump i think on 93% of the time. she's conservative. and so -- >> i get that. >> yeah. so, what -- in terms of -- why aren't those issues or her positions on those issues as important to you? >> well, like i say, that has been the case. but here recently -- i mean, you take, for example, the gun vote. that is not pro-wyoming. she is not representing her constituents anymore. when you start voting against gun s and the second amendment, that becomes an issue for a large number of wyomingens. and you look at the chip bill.
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that's a corporate give away. and that's not exactly a conservative vote as well. >> how do you feel about the role he's played in investigating the january 6th investigation? >> i don't like it. >> why not? >> i feel like -- well, i feel like she did not even bother to stop at the very inception of this. her basic take on it was, i do not -- i don't know what the facts are. i've already made up my mind. and she said something very much to that point. she already made up her mind before she ever went in that he was guilty of what they say he did. >> but are you comfortable with it being investigated? >> investigate away. just don't make it a set-up. things do need to be investigated. but they need to be investigated
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fairly. >> and do you think that joe biden is the legitimate winner of the election? >> i think there was a lot of stuff, a lot of states that really pulled a lot of things that weren't really legal. i think there were a lot of things behind the scenes. i don't know for sure, but i'm a little doubtful myself. yes. >> does it console you at all that there were 60 plus judges, some of them trump appointed, all of whom looked at whatever evidence was presented to them and they decided there was no evidence of any sort of significant fraud that would have swung the election to donald trump and that joe biden was the legitimate winner? >> i'm not really sure what to think about that. that's -- that's kind of a hard one for me to look at. i also know that a lot of people that i consider very trustworthy sources have looked at the data and they've looked at -- they're very good at statistics and
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things like that. and there are just things that don't quite add up. >> so, what do you think liz cheney -- >> i'm not sure the judges had the information or if they didn't. >> what do you think liz cheney's future is? >> well, it's kind of hard to say whether she'll win here. it is possible that she will. there's plenty of cheney supporters out there. there's plenty of cheney signs. but there's plenty of hageman signs too. i have a suspicion she's got something else on her plate. and i think wyoming always was a steppingstone. i don't think it was her first -- it was her first step, but i don't think it was her ultimate goal. >> meaning president? >> i don't know. i have no idea what's in her mind. i -- it wouldn't surprise me. i mean, that's been rumored very much. it's a possibility. but i don't think it'll happen even if -- even if she runs, i really can't see it happening. >> myrna burgess, thank you very
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much. we appreciate getting your perspective on all of this. >> you bet. >> and now i want to turn to pat, who's a registered democrat for 40 years but switched parties so she could vote for liz cheney. so, pat, thank you very much for being here. so, you are a life long democrat. why are you voting for someone as conservative as congresswoman cheney? >> well, it isn't because of any policies that she has supported. but i think it's literally a vote to help save the republic. i see her as a person of courage and integrity, who has told the truth that donald trump lost the election and yet tried with lies and manipulation to stay in office anyway. >> pat, isn't it so interesting -- i mean, just the way, you know, you represent the democrat here. and, you know, we just talked to myrna about this -- that you are
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willing -- both of you are willing to overlook her position on the issues. you -- you don't think that her position on the issues is as important. is that true? >> that is true. i think you can always write a letter, talk to your representative's office and argue policy. but when it comes to having a free and fair election, that is essential. and that has to be upheld. i don't want wyoming's lone representative to be someone who is beholden to an individual who demands absolute loyalty no matter what tricks he's up to. and i think that harriet hageman knows perfectly well that the election was not stolen, that it was not fraudulent. but she says what trump wants to hear and therefore got his
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endorsement. i think that's pure ambition. >> pat, as i'm sure you know, democrats are outnumbered in wyoming. and at the moment, the poll numbers are not looking good for congresswoman cheney. however, anything's possible. of course tomorrow. do you think that she is going to win? >> i think the chances are very slim because her party has ostracized her. and many republican voters will listen to the extreme leadership that is in charge of the wyoming gop at this time. they will follow that lead. >> and then what do you think is next for her? would you vote for her for president? >> i don't doubt that very much. i don't think that i would. >> pat --
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>> i think she's going away though. i think whatever happens tomorrow, that we have certainly not seen the last of liz cheney. she's highly intelligent, driven. and i think she is committed to serving the country. >> pat, thank you very much. really appreciate getting your perspective as well. >> you're welcome. so, what happens if liz cheney loses? our political experts look at where her fight to stop donald trump could go next. and what tomorrow's results might mean for the maga movement nationwide. when "cnn tonight" returns. i'm a performing artist. so a healthy diet is one of the most important things. i also feel the same way about my dog. we were feeding her dry, triangle shad
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so, liz cheney, one of the most conservative republicans in the house, who voted for trump's agenda 93% of the time, is getting more support from democrats than republicans in her home state and by an incredibly wide margin. a university of wyoming poll showed cheney had the backing of 98% of democrats but only 15% of republicans there. congressman adam kinzinger tells cnn that cheney's race is a bellwether for the party. >> the party's in a bad place. look, we are standing up against
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evil. liz cheney is standing up against evil. she has fought a valiant fight. her fight is not over regardless of what happens on tuesday. and i think it says a lot about the party if she loses. i think it says a lot about the party that we're quick to say defund the fbi and support a guy like donald trump. >> let's continue the conversation with sc cup, john rosen. hillary, politics makes strange bedfellows. >> it does. >> and now democrats love liz cheney. >> yeah. >> that's incredible. we just had this segment on hearing why a democrat in wyoming is going to vote for her and why a republican is so disenchanted with her. ultimately i don't know that it's going to be enough necessarily to save her. but what do you think of these shifting sands? >> you know it's -- we have a common enemy in donald trump, right? i mean, you know, politics makes strange bedfellows plus but, i think, look, if i lived in
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wyoming, i would vote for liz cheney because a republican is going to be in that seat. so it might as well be liz cheney than, you know, this woman who is just -- it's beyond me that somebody is going to put her in the house. but, you know, look, liz cheney is still anti-abortion. she's still, you know, has a huge level of conservatism. i don't think -- i think she's going to be a woman without a party. you know, all these people speculating that she's going to now become a democrat or she's going to run as an independent or let her be, you know, a vice presidential candidate for the democrats, i just don't see any of that. there's really no party that liz cheney is going to be welcome in at this point. >> yeah. >> and it's too bad because i think history is going to treat her well. and she's performed an amazing, courageous, valuable service over this last year. >> and that's such a great point because politics also makes fair weather friends. when we had that democrat on from wyoming, she really loves liz cheney.
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would you vote for her for president? oh, no. >> well, listen, people come into your life for a reason, a season, or a lifetime. and liz cheney is a means to an end, right? the democrats might like her now. she will not be their favorite for a lifetime. she's there for a reason, just like i voted for joe biden as a means to an end, knowing i wouldn't like his policies. but she's a means to an end. >> but what's her end? >> well, i mean, to hillary's point, i don't think she has a whole lot of natural cheney fans. as you're all pointing out, she's very conservative, to the right of me, you know? and i always have to remind democrats of that. and then to the rest of the party, she's a traitor. so, i'm not really sure -- she has mike pence's problems really. he's a traitor to trumpees. and to people like me, he wasn't the stop gap to trump that we want him to be. so, i'm not really sure. this might be her goal, to be
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this person that stands up and, you know, fights the good fight, gives other republicans permission to talk the way she does about donald trump, and maybe be a voice in the future for folks like me who are disenchanted with the party. but i don't -- i don't think she's got -- i don't think she has designs on running for president. i don't. >> your thoughts? >> look, i think the fact that liz cheney is politically homeless right now speaks to the insanity of our politics. this is someone who's very conservative. the fact she's been thrown out of the republican party speaks to the fact also that it's not bad ideas right now. it's about loyalty, fealty to one person. and that's a fundamental problem. history will be kind to her. she is fighting the good fight. you can say with certainty, for democrats who say i disagree with her on policy positions, she's right on the one thing that matters at the end of the day. >> means to an end.
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>> if democrats believe in defending democracy, liz cheney is someone you want on your team. >> she also has a mission, which is useful for the next two years, which is she has decided that, win or lose, her job is going to be to prevent donald trump from being in the white house again. i'm all for that. you know, anything i can do to help her in that mission is a good thing. >> look what has happened -- i want to pull up this graphic. i want to show you what has happened to the ten house republicans who voted to impeach trump. three lost their primary, liz cheney is awaiting hers, two won their primary. four decided to retire, basically there was no lane for them. donald trump won this round, right? can't you conclude that? >> i want to put it in perspective. certainly that's what the tale of the tape will tell you on the surface. first of all, five folks declined to run at all. one of which adam kinzinger, he got redistricted out of his seat by democrats in illinois. three of them, peter meijer, and jamie butler narrowly lost close
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primaries. the two who won are not coincidentally in two top two states n. a state where it's set up where you can have election reform, those candidates can do well. these close partisan primaries are designed to be killers. they're designed to kill people who have an independent mind that would make them a great candidate to win a general election. that's one of the things we need to fix downstream from this event. >> it's not necessarily them, it's the system. >> it's the party. you know, it's the system, but it's also -- it's also the party. and these -- these primaries and then these midterms also incentivize just the fringes to come out. they're not really looking to get the moderate majority. and so people like us stay home. i did vote in my state's primaries. you know, so, by design it's bringing out the most rabid folks on the right and the left, which is you get these kind of lunatic, fringe characters running. and then come the general
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election, we're all surprised like how did these weirdos get here? well, because you stayed home. >> you're right in the big picture in terms of whether donald trump has won or not because look at what's happened in congress, right, in the house in particular. you have, you know, mccarthy out there campaigning against a sitting member of his caucus. like, that's just kind of unheard of. all to curry favor with donald trump. and you had every single republican vote against, you know, lowering prescription drug costs. i mean, the things that republicans have done to keep donald trump happy over the last year -- >> but this is -- >> don't get me started. >> this is the sickness in our politics, right? if more members of congress had competitive general elections, they would feel more confidence in actually saying what many of them think in private and standing up to donald trump and having spine. instead, they play to the base. they're afraid to speak up and do what's right. and that's the problem. if you have more competitive general elections, you wouldn't have this kind of extremism in
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congress and this division and dysfunction. >> stick around, everyone. we have a lot more to talk about because back to school is causing a lot of anxiety for parents in many states. controversial new education laws backed by florida governor ron desantis go into effect. what those mean for teachers and students and nationwide what's happening with teachers and students next.
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as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend. classrooms and meeting their teachers. in florida, throw these two controversial bills. there is one that is called the parental rights act, it's also known by critics as the, quote, don't say gay bill. there is another that is called the, quote, stop woke act. both bills are creating a culture of confusion among teachers who are nervous if they can be open to litigation by parents who somehow disagree with the curriculums. this is happening in the middle of what the labor bureau is calling a nationwide teacher shortage. back to talk with the battle of this we have jonathan and will rosen. there's so much confusion, hillary, i mean in sarasota let
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me give you one and a joked. sarasota county school district has halted all donations and purchases of library books and so they can figure out which ones are allowed. with the new laws and florida. because you never know which book could run afoul of governor desantis's two loss. because they are so vaguely worded that, by the way, nobody knows how to enforce them. >> the state board of education has told school just six that there could have to review all education materials. look, i think this is a culture war gone crazy. of course, students are the worst of it. i am sympathetic to people and parents who want to have conversations with their kids, their young kids, and have that control. and it may be politically incorrect me to say, but i don't think that is a terrible take. i think what has happened is that this has been taken. it is hard to take which should be a conversation around a
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dinner table or a pta meeting, and then turn into a law that teachers have to figure out how to interpret. their job is hot enough. that's what i think the problem is. you want teachers to feel like they can be educators. you want to trust them. because they are there to do a good job. they are not there to indoctrinate people. by the way, you can't turn it could get. sorry. but you can't. >> the irony is it over an arizona, the republican nominee over their carry like, literally wants to indoctrinate kids with the trump approved curriculum from hillsdale college and public schools. i mean, literal indoctrination here there, but it's not woke. i think the worst of it, there's gonna be lawsuits which are terrible, and then there's going to be the philonise h. multi choice. which teaches kids to villainized teachers. so that they are no longer partners in their education, they are the enemy, that is terrible. as you say, they're already understaffed, underfunded, this is going to be worse. lastly would i hope doesn't
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happen is i fear for transgender students. who could be targeted. by these laws. because ron desantis has told school districts to ignore federal guidance that will protect trans students from discrimination. that could have, credibly dangerous and real life effects. >> in a way i feel her galinis a, and the way i feel like there is more conversation about this now in the schools than there ever was. which is really unfortunate. to these other kids or these teachers who, and their own personal lives. it is like there wasn't a lot of conversation about trans people in schools. at this point. there just wasn't. and they are making this an issue. that really didn't need to be an issue. >> that's an interesting byproduct of all this. it may try to squash, is making us all happy over here. i mean, part of it is that hillary said, not many people would object to not introducing the subject of, you know,
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gender or sexuality to kindergartners through third grade. but as we know, that this law is written so broadly that teachers are skittish now. they don't know what they are supposed to be saying, if they cater poachers them with a question. >> sure, that has a freezing effect on local control, classrooms, teachers being teachers. look, i do think that parents have reacted positively to some of the stuff because there is a feeling of politics creeping into some of these conversations. but, i think a downstream effect if you are our travel politics. is that we are weaponizing the essential diversity of our country. especially in a state like florida. we're all of a sudden, people are projecting their own politics on these debates. so does not actually moving politics in the classrooms. it is imposing new politics. >> and away it is using the schools. using kids. because they have control over it and to have a culture conversation in society that is really doesn't belong in the school. >> they really are big government republicans now.
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i mean, this is as intrusive as government gets into your private life. your kids and school and education. this is a whole big government. but about this idea? rhonda scent, is because of having such a shortage, has suggested and is encouraging veterans to become teachers. they won't need a college degree. they just need to get a certificate. i find this good because obviously veterans have a lot to offer, they certainly have a lot to offer in the classroom. but without a degree in teaching i am not sure how that is going to work. >> and also. also, if he under the assumption that all veterans are republican trump lovers? because i know tons of that or not. and so, look, the right has co-opted the patriot horn. mark it. for decades and decades. and in some cases democrats have ceded it to them. but because of trump, i mean, i know a lot of veterans who feel abandoned by the republican party. i don't think this is very well thought out.
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