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>> had the president not made good on the agreement reached by the previous administration, the attacks on our forces and partner forces would have resumed, and the offensive to take over afghanistan's cities would have commenced. >> reporter: gop congressman adam kinzinger saying both the biden and the trump administration should share responsibility for what happened. >> i think it's important to remind people the trump administration failed in the set-up, and i think the biden administration absolutely failed in the execution of this. >> reporter: democrats also questioning how the withdrawal could have been better executed. but saying it was necessary to leave afghanistan. >> are there things the administration could have done differently? absolutely yes, as always. >> reporter: bungled, disgraceful epic mistakes, those are some of the words we heard yesterday from these republicans when they were talking to the
secretary of state. this was a very partisan line of inquiry from those republicans. one thing that was missing notably yesterday was detail-oriented lines of questions, right, that went into what the biden administration did and what they didn't do because a lot of these republicans were just digging their heels in questioning the biden administration's decision to withdraw in the first place, not exactly how that was executed. now, the secretary of state has another hearing today before the senate foreign relations committee, so we'll see if they get into some more details during that hearing. >> it will be good to get more information, actual information there. kylie, i thank you so much for that. nice to see you. "new day" continues right now. and a very good morning to viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is tuesday, september 14th. i'm brianna keilar alongside john berman on this beautiful new day. today voters in california will decide governor gavin newsom's fate in an election, and former
president trump is seizing his opportunity to further democracy with the big lie. already trump and larry elder, the leading candidate to replace newsome if he's called, are laying the groundwork to dismiss newsome is a product of democratic cheating. elder features a link to this site that urges residents to sign a petition and, quote, demand a special session of the california legislature to investigate the incorrect, the twisted results of the recall election. that hasn't happened yet. there are no results yet. and trump treading familiar baseless ground pushing a statement about a rigged election that, again, hasn't even happened. >> you often talk about your outrage muscle being tired here. whether or not it's familiar from the former president, you can't brush it off. in a new cnn poll 59% of republicans say that support for the lies about the last election are important to being a republican. 59%. you can't brush this off because
this saturday here in washington there is a rally planned in support of the rioters who stormed the capitol on january 6th. the source tells cnn law enforcement it is preparing for protesters to be armed. new security fencing is being set up. capitol police arrest a man with a bayonet and machete in his truck parked near the democratic national committee headquarters. he had a swastika and other symbols painted on it. you can't brush this off because in a way, trump seems to literally be standing up for domestic terrorists after george w. bush delivered that speech suggesting people who attacked the u.s. on 9/11 and people who attacked the capitol are children of the same foul spirit. trump put out a statement that basically said, who, me? again, trump didn't deny it. bush didn't mention trump by name. trump didn't deny it. trump just said bush should not be lecturing about anything. and then as if for emphasis, trump is endorsing a qanon
supportive candidate for secretary of state in arizona. joining us for all this on a reality check, cnn's signier political analyst john avalon. >> today's recall vote in california is about much more than republicans trying to replace gavin newsom as governor. it's a preview of things that look likely to define the '22 midterms and beyond. democrats are calling out republicans' extreme, divisive and antiscience seizing on gop front runner larry elder's call to remove mask and vaccine mandates. comparing the right-wing radio host to donald trump. republicans are embracing trump while liberal elitism decline. the most dangerous trend they've doubled down on is this assault on democracy itself. i'm not just talking about the end run on general elections. in a state where republicans represent a quarter of registered voters. they are using the big lie as prevent defense. even before the votes are counted. republicans are taking a page from the trump playbook and
claiming that the election results will be rigged. larry elder's made the claim in several recent interviews, saying, quote, i believe there might well be shenanigans as it were in the 2020 election. trump lost no time in amplifying this california prediction of the big lie. it could depress republican turnout. of course, trump isn't thinking about what's best for his party or country. he only thinks about himself. and all this, though, is causing people to question the results of an election before the votes are even cast. it projects the big lie forward in ways that may be of psychological comfort to republicans who lose races, but in the process, of course, it fires a shot through the heart of americans' faith in democracy. unfortunately this isn't isolated. already we are seeing republican candidates in next year's midterms embracing the whole burn the house down strategy. in nevada the trump-endorsed senate candidate former state a.g. says he's preparing legal challenges to tanney leks that
is 14 months away. in an attempt to overdraw biden's election be, to stop counting of ballots and baselessly claiming dead people voted. and a partisan effort in arizona, now backing parnell. across the country from ohio to missouri, to north carolina to arizona, we are seeing that backing the big lie is the new litmus test for republican senate candidates. this may be unhelpful in a general election, but the chairman of the republican national senate committee florida's rick scott was one of the eight senators to vote to overturn the election of joe biden. he's not in a position to protest. this isn't an academic concern. let's take a look at georgia where representative jodie heis is seeking to unseat brad rafsanjani he would put party over country and overturn the next election. this sickness is spreading
overseas as well, like in brazil where conservative populist president bolsonaro is threatening to contest the next election in very trumpian terms. democracy is being degraded. make no mistake, this is donald trump's doing because before him no american president would have considered denying the reality of an election result. this is basic. this is foundational to democracy, folks. and it comes at the same time that foreign authoritarian nations like russia and china are claiming liberal democracy's days are over. there is no credible way to claim you love the american way of life and back this b.s. but that's what the republicans seem intent on doing. as the "washington post" greg sergeant writes, it isn't just that republicans will be expected to pledge fealty to the lost cause of the 2020 election. it's also that untold numbers of gop candidates will see it as essential to the practice of trumpist politics that they vow to actively subvert election
losses by any means necessary. watch today's recall election closely t. could represent an opening shot to cast doubt on any future elections that republicans don't happen to win. and that's your reality check. >> and such an important one, john. i think we see what happens when people don't believe in the legitimacy or the outcome of an election. they start to believe they are justified in trying or actually overturning it. john avalon with our reality check today, thank you. the annual met gala was held in new york and on fashion's biggest night congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez took the opportunity to make a statement. she was sporting a white gown that read on the back, tax the rich. and this outfit has drawn mixed reactions from the public for promoting the message at an event that cost more than $30,000 per ticket. joining me now is the woman who designed the gown, aurora james. she is the founder and creative director of brother vellis.
we got to see you there as well on the red carpet standing by your creation there. i wonder, first things first, can you just tell us the back story of how you came to design this? >> yes, of course. so, when it came to dressing the congresswoman for this event, you know, i wanted to make something really special for her, and ultimately -- >> can i back pedal? how -- do you know her? how did it come to be that you got picked to do this? >> well, i think we've both been familiar with each other's work for a little while. i started my business here in new york with $3,500 at the flea market. when she was still bartending, she was following my work and she was so excited when i won something called the cfda vote fashion fund just, you know, being a working class girl and immigrant here in new york launching a fashion brand it's pretty unheard of to make it in
the upper echelon of luxury fashion. she really followed my career and we decided to collaborate on this look. >> okay. so, then, you're collaborating on the look and tell us how you conceive of this design. >> well, you know, the met gala obviously is one of the most exclusive events in the world, and we wanted to come and deliver a message. and i think when we talk about inclusion and gaining access to closed rooms for people of color, when you finally get a seat at the table, you have to decide what the message is that you want to deliver. and i think for the congresswoman, i think for myself, economic equality and economic justice was sort of top of mind. and tax the rich was really what we settled on. >> there's a lot of rich people at this event. it's incredibly expensive to attend. it is incredibly exclusive, and there are folks, especially on the right, who are criticizing the congresswoman, saying she's
making this message, but this is some hoity-toity event. what is your message to the backlash? >> i think ultimately, a lot of these conversations that we have about economic justice usually happen in spaces with working class people. and i think the congresswoman is not going to ever sacrifice her morals for comfort. and she wanted to make sure that this message was brought into that room and into a group of people who ultimately have to be willing to, you know, be more liberal with their economic values as well. and i think that's what we've done. and to be honest with you, she wouldn't have attended and just worn a pretty gown without delivering any kind of message to people. and, you know, fashion is often thought of as this really
frivolous thing that ultimately in my brand and for a lot of other designers, we use it as a really powerful tool for communication, especially women of color. i have been a sustainable designer since i started in 2013. i also used my company to launch one of the fastest-growing nonprofits in america right now, the 15% pledge. it's really about taking the access that you have and sharing a message. and i think that that's what she's done. and ultimately, the more we can put out these ideas into popular culture, politics will also follow that. >> can i ask you real quick, how much did the dress cost, and are you getting this dress back? >> yes. so, the dress i made, and we created the whole thing right here in new york. i haven't calculated all of our costs yet, but we used a lot of salvaged materials which is really amazing and important to me just because sustainability is at the forefront of everything that i do.
and i lent it to her for the night. i think it's a super special piece. we created a really powerful message there. >> you have caught a lot of eyeballs and a lot of attention certainly in putting this dress out there. aurora james, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> you can't wear a dress like that again. >> people would know. you don't want to repeat. it's like wearing a wedding dress in a way. not going to wear it again. for more on this i want to bring in commentator s.e. cupp. the met gala is my personal help. the idea of dressing up with hoity-toity people as brianna says after 9:00 p.m., i can't think of anything worse. the question about this dress is, you know, is alexandria ocasio-cortez, is it somehow hypocritical for her going to this clearly elitist thing, even delivering that message? >> i don't know that it's
hypocritical per se. and, you know, i've defended a.o.c. on her $300 haircuts. i'm really trying to see this not as a partisan. i do think the message is confused, though. it looks a little like, you know, she wanted to have her cake and eat it, too. she wanted to go to the, you know, very elite, i think very cool event that in many ways celebrates art, but also celebrates excess. and she wanted to wear an expensive, you know, custom designer gown, which she did. she wanted to have her hair and makeup done by celebrity stylists which she did. she wanted to get ready at the carlisle hotel, a nice ritzy glitzy hotel in new york, and she did. and she wanted to rub elbows with celebrities. which she did. all the while hoping to draw attention to a message that, i mean, are we talking about economic inequality today or are we talking about the stunt?
and so i'm not sure how successful it was. i do like that she's promoting a sustainable designer, a designer who cares about putting black products on shelves. i love brother valley's accessories and shoes. they're $700 shoes, $1600 bags. they're gorgeous. i hope aurora james has a boost in sales from this. i'm just not sure we've tackled economic inequality with this stunt. >> you know, i think that's a very interesting question. what are we talking about? >> actually, thank you to s.e. for putting this -- >> i've been trying to figure out how to think about this. on one hand, like you said, it is an expensive brand. on the other hand, if you look at the website, she is a black creator in a largely white space promoting black models, you know, she's doing a lot. >> yeah. >> to advance, you know, what
she does in a place where people of color so often shut out or under represented. >> and i love her stuff. just as a consumer. i love her stuff. so, again, i hope she does well. i'm assuming the intention was right, but i'm not sure the execution got the message across. >> yeah, it is maybe confusing here. i also want to ask you about something that we're learning from an upcoming book by stephanie grisham, former top aide to the white house. fair to say this is a juicy, juicy book. one of the details we learned of is melania trump was asleep on election night. that she had to be woken up for then president trump's concession speech. >> it wasn't a concession speech. >> non-concession speech. that's weird, s.e., weird. >> i don't know. i imagine i would have wanted to sleep through a lot of that
administration and my marriage to donald trump. i'm sure she, you know, had a headache a lot of nights. i'm not all that surprised, honestly. she was not very engaged and i don't know how to read that. i'm not going to put her on the couch. >> come on, s.e. >> was she confident he was going to win or she knew he wasn't? i don't know. but melania is such an interesting mystery wrapped in a riddle in an enigma, right? she's just very hard to unfold. but the sleeping through part, i get, i completely get. >> there's disengaged and then there's asleep. they're two different -- >> i would have retreat today my bedroom, too, and said, wake me when it's over. i'm sure it was a lot for her, you know, just all of the ups and downs and the craziness.
i'm sure it was a lot. i can completely relate to her not wanting to be in the office with him, stand by his side, ready to go on camera. i would have wanted to go to my room, too, and said, call me when it's over. wake me when it's over. >> wake me up when november ends. >> exactly. >> i can put a twist on it, yes. >> s.e., there's a lot that of discussion that was like, you know, over my head a little bit, but not really. but thank you very much for that. >> were you asleep? >> appreciate it. >> did you have a headache? coming up, a white house committee says new evidence shows one of trump's top advisers failed to heed crucial warnings at the start of the pandemic. congressman jim clyburn joins us on what the house probe uncovered. plus, after 18 dark months, broadway is back. see the biggest shows raising the curtains and welcoming back audiences.
so, just in to cnn, a house subcommittee investigating the federal response to the pandemic says there is new evidence that former trump officials failed to heed crucial warnings. joining me now is democratic majority whip and chair of the house select committee on the coronavirus crisis, congressman jim clyburn. congressman, thank you so much for being with us.
your select committee, what new information has come to light? >> well, thank you very much for having me. well, you may recall when we all got started on trying to combat this virus certain requests went out for personal protection equipment, p.p.e.s, as we commonly call them. and we seem to feel from the information that we have received that mr. navarro, peter navarro who was a special assistant to the president, tended to be staring the procurement toward certain companies. and it seemed to be done without any kind of competition and we would like to get to the bottom of that. so, we have sent him a letter, hopefully he will respond. we also have discovered that
there seemed to be some public business being transacted over private emails, which in and of itself may not be illegal because you can cure such things by doing certain things, but did he do those things? we don't know, and so we are asking that they answer some questions, and hopefully we will make a determination as to whether or not they were legal. >> to find out two things. one is living through the last ten years, government business on private email can be problematic if the right procedures aren't followed through. and the other thing is, you know, i never would want to speak for peter navarro. we've had our fair share of rous over things that he's said. but in response to this charge
about some of the procurement when this issue sort of bubbled to the surface in march, his response was, i'm cutting through red tape. i was cutting through as much red tape as i possibly could to get the help as quickly as i could. if that ultimately is his response to these questions, what would you say? >> i would say, let us see the tape. we'll determine whether or not it was red or some other color. and that's why we're asking these questions. we aren't making any conclusions here. we're just saying it is possible that what you say may not be true. just give us the information and let us decide what color the tape is. >> has he been cooperative at all with you? >> well, we don't know. we just sent the letter today. in the past he has been less than cooperative in other matters. maybe now that he is no longer in the government he will feel
free to be more cooperative. at least we hope so. that remains to be seen. >> let me ask you about the current budget discussions now. this is the effort to pass the president and democrats' $3.5 trillion over ten years spending plan. joe manchin has said he doesn't want to spend that much. he's looking at $1.5 trillion. there are democrats who say the $3.5 trillion is actually a floor in spending. they want more than that. you've suggested $3.5 trillion is a ceiling. which is it? >> well, you know, we got to that number that i don't like using, simply because if you go through the proposals, this is a resolution, what we would call section by section, account by account. each committee has been asked to do their budget and not expand
more than a certain number above the so-called debt and deficit. and so once these committees work through it, president of the agriculture committee has $195 billion. they may mock up, and it's only 194 billion. it may be 196 billion. these are the things we don't know until we work on what it is we're trying to do, and that's why i have been saying to people, we ought not be talking about these numbers. let's talk about what needs to be done, and let's put forth our proposals to address those needs, and then let's look at what the number may or may not be, and then we can make some informed decision. right now we are just talking about a number, and nobody is talking about what we're trying to do. there are 12 states where low-income people have less health care, federal assisted health care coverage than
millionaires do. that should not be. we need to do something about this coverage gap in these 12 states, and that's what we ought to be focused on. and i really believe that an unusual number of those people are in west virginia. >> you're talking about joe manchin who of course is the senator from west virginia. congressman jim clyburn, thank you for being with us today. appreciate it. >> thank you very much for having me. up next, why some scientists are for pouring cold water on the need for booster shots. and john king joins us live on how republicans are laying the groundwork for the big lie in tonight's california recall election. [slow electronic notes fade in] [fast upbeat music begins] [music stops] and release. [deep exhale] [fast upbeat music resumes]
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in a new review, a group of international scientists says booster shots aren't needed for the general public right now. this includes two senior fda vaccine leaders who will be stepping down from the agency here in the coming months. joining us now to talk about this is dr. ashish jha dean of university school of public health. doctor, this is interesting at a
time when we are looking at vaccine booster timetables for everyone. what is your reaction to this? >> yeah, good morning. thanks for having me here. i'm a little perplexed by that piece. there's some terrific scientists on there, so i want to be thoughtful about how we talk about it. but the bottom line is that as i look at the data, data out of israel, data out of the united states as well, is you clearly do see waning immunity in high-risk people. as i think about who needs boosters, elderly, frail, people with chronic diseases, the evidence is leaning towards that. both of the companies, moderna and pfizer have submitted more data to the fda. that will become available in the next week or so. i think the high risk individuals we almost surely need a booster. >> i want to ask you about an argument, you're hearing from republican politicians, jim jordan yesterday, and other people in surprising locations. say, look, if you're vaccinated,
you're protected. what do you care if someone chooses not to get the vaccine? it doesn't affect you is how their argument goes. what's your answer to that? >> yeah, it sounds right as long as you don't really dig deep and think about it, because here's the problem. we all live in one country, one society. for instance, if you get large outbreaks of mostly unvaccinated people, they fill up hospitals. they have a hard time getting care. but everybody needs hospital care. you have a heart attack, a stroke, in a car accident, you need those i.c.u. beds and they're often not available. we're seeing that. that's one thing. also large outbreaks cause real economic damage. and that everybody suffers from. of course, obviously also unvaccinated people are our neighbors and friends, we ought to care for the most humane and basic reason. but they also live in our communities and have profound effects. i think this idea that somehow there will be large outbreaks of un -- among unvaccinated people and everybody else goes as
nothing is happening is unrealistic. >> i want to ask you about something you were tweeting about yesterday. you think this fourth wave in the u.s. has actually peaked. why do you say that? >> yeah, and it's always hard to call these things, right, because obviously no one can predict the future with any great certainty. part of it is i've been looking pretty closely across the country and you are seeing across the entire south which has driven the recent wave -- the recent surge, the infection numbers are coming down. it's coming down in california as well, new york. really across the country. now, i think part of it is people pulling back. a lot of people have gotten infected, vaccines are rising. i don't want to be cavalier. i'm not saying it's going to plummet. what i'm saying is i think we've peaked. my hope is we come down quickly. this has not faded. what happens next is up to us. if we do the control measures, we really can drive these infection numbers down. >> let's get it down. we are so close to 10,000 which
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president biden rolling out some of the most wide-reaching coronavirus rules to date announcing that businesses with more than 100 employees must require vaccinations or weekly covid testing. the mandate is now facing backlash among business leaders who say that this is a step too far. some of them at least. let's bring in glen hammer who is c.e.o. of the texas association of business. glen, look, i know you have issues with this policy. you say that you support vaccinations. you don't support a mandate. but you've seen what happens when there aren't mandates. a lot of people don't get vaccinated. so how is this not just
providing cover or condoning a refusal to vaccinate? >> al all right, i think we're having an audio -- hold on, one second, glen. all right, let's make sure you're not muted there. >> am io on? >> you're on -- talk to me, glen. that was beautiful. i see you, i hear you. >> well, i'm in a hotel room in washington, d.c. vaccines are the sing the best way to get out of this pandemic. i'm at a u.s. chamber conference with 100 great chambers across america. we are unified in our belief that vaccinations work. i've gotten vaccinated. people need to get vaccinated. but there's a big difference between mandating vaccines and incentivizing. and i think we can all agree this was a half-baked process. this came out of nowhere. not a single state had mandated
employers to vaccinate workers of any size, employee count. what the president should do is scrap this ill-conceived executive order, bring business groups together, bring labor groups together, and hash out a way we can increase vaccination rates in america with the power of persuasion. >> so, here's an example. delta airlines, this is maybe not just an example of incentivizing getting vaccines, but de-incentivizing not getting them, right. delta is having a $200 surcharge through insurance per month, which is a lot of money, you know, that's $2,400 in a year, for not getting vaccines. what about that? do you support that? >> yeah, i think businesses should have the ability to determine how they conduct those type of workplace situations. so if delta has an innovative way to handle this, other companies in texas have
vaccination mandates, but they were -- they came to that conclusion as private entities. it was not mandated by the state. it certainly wasn't mandated by the federal government. look, the segment you had before us, the cdc and the white house are on different pages when it comes to the booster shots. now, i'm married to an israeli. the booster shots are a good idea after six or seven months. so there's a lot of other things we can do to increase protection for americans. boosters, i think the president was right on talking about the importance of therapeutics, of surging health care. but bring people together. bring them to the white house. bring them virtually together. bring business, labor. we will do a much better job of increasing vaccinations if we work together as opposed to mandates that come out of nowhere. >> you're talking about convincing people. i mean, you've seen -- >> yes, i am, yes. >> it's not working, glen.
you've seen that. i just want to highlight one of your arguments. you say the vaccine is the most effective way to prevent the transmission of covid-19, right? it's also the way to get the texas economy back on its feet. if you just go back to the economic -- glen -- >> we're the strongest economy -- >> my question is how do you -- okay. let me ask my question, glen. >> sorry. >> if you're looking for economic optimization, you don't want to do it at the expense of people's health. that's actually going to hurt the economy. >> sure, you have to balance lives and livelihoods. but take a look what's happening -- i think there is a vaccine mandate at a hospital in new york. this is reported npr, not a conservative media outlet by any stretch. and now what's happening,
they're having difficulty delivering babies because people are quitting. so when you think about president biden's proposed vaccine mandate, it covers employers 100 or more. you still have 60 million or so jobs open for employers that are less than 100. so what happens when those people leave those positions in the larger companies and go to the smaller companies, or they just say, we're going to stay out of the labor force? how does -- >> glen, is your counterproposal, then, you should be having unvaccinated people delivering babies? because that's what's going to happen without a mandate. there will be unvaccinated nurses delivering babies. and that hospital as it pauses deliveries of babies, is looking to hire nurses who will get vaccinated so that they can provide their services, but also provide a safe place for people to get their health care. >> yeah, and i applaud companies -- i mean, look, the
business community wants people to get vaccinated for, not just economic reason. we care about the people that work at our company. and again, vaccines are the single most effective way to beat covid-19. but my point is that mandate without persuasion could have unintended consequence. and what's going on in that hospital in new york is sad. >> what would you propose, then? you'd have unvaccinated people delivering babies. are you cool with that? >> no, i would want all health care personnel to, to be vaccinated. my point -- >> why not have that in a business so that people are not jeopardizing their health in order to do work and be part of a thriving economy? >> well, if you're, if you're vaccinated -- like, i will just tell you personally, sure, i'd rather be next to someone who is
vaccinated. but i feel -- i believe in american ingenuity. i have no problem -- i am not concerned about being around someone who's not vaccinated. i would hope they would get vaccinated for their own protection and, you know, i want them to be healthy. but the vaccines -- the best way to handle this is bring together the business community, bring together labor. talk about these different issues. because, again, even with the president's proposal, it doesn't cover smaller employees, an employer that employs 99 people still fairly large. you tell me, how does it help anyone if someone leaves a larger company, goes to a smaller company, or just drops out of the labor force? i mean, this is a half-baked proposal. no one else is commenting -- >> half baked? >> everyone knows that it. it was terrible process, it's going to be challenged in the courts, and, you know, i don't
think this was -- this was a terrible process. we want people to get vaccinated. the president should have brought people together. instead, he did something unfortunately that continues to divide us, and that's -- >> we'll see where this conversation goes. just to be clear, a majority of americans do believe in mandates for vaccines in workplaces. it's right now at 54%, and that's up 8% since april. glen hammer, thank you so much. it was great to talk with you this morning. thank you. up next, all eyes are on california as voters will head to the polls in a couple of hours as governor gavin newsom fights to keep his job. cnn's john king joins us with analysis next. ♪ pardon when i shine ♪
this is it. tonight is the deadline for california voters to vote in the recall election. democratic governor gavin newsom and republican challenger larry elder made their final pleas to voters. >> we may have defeated donald trump, but we have not defeated trumpism. trumpism is still on the ballot in california. >> to the extent that there still are mandates that this governor has imposed for state workers, mandates for every worker who has not been vaccinated, to be tested once a week, and to wear a face mask at work, i'm going to be repealing
those because i believe we still have something in this country called freedom. >> joining us the inside anchor of politics, john king. i should say on election day your hands should be in mittens. god forbid something happen, they get shut closing a door. >> first big math test of the school year, i'm excited. >> be careful. >> be careful for the next few hours. >> don't do that. >> i know. what should we watch for tonight? >> number one, it's turnout, or we should say participation. we use turnout because it's an old school woerrd in politics. most will be cast by mail. everybody in california has reason to be frustrated with their governor. we've been through 15, 16 months of hell in covid. everybody has some grievance against gavin newsom. that doesn't mean you want to recall him. do democrats play, do they vote? do we see turnout? republicans are counting on
overwhelming turnout. even if they turnout, it's not enough if democrats participate because they have such a lob sided registration advantage. the first rule is participation. it's a referendum on gavin newsom, but we're going to learn a lot about can democrats be motivated. you just feel bad, this cloud of covid is with us forever. can democrats find ways to motivate their voters to come out and vote in that will be a lesson that carries over. don't magnify a quirky recall. but turnout participation, what motivates people, what stubbornly won't motivate people, there will be lessons to be learned. >> on the ballot is do you want a recall essentially. if you want to recall the governor, who are you going to vote for? it's worth noting the majority of americans, they don't want for there to be a recall. that doesn't mean that's necessarily going to be reflected in the vote by numbers. that's why you've seen these sort of big guns come out for gavin newsom. >> you have this quirky law that allows if you get the requisite number of signatures it's on the ballot. if you look where it came from, the people who voted against
gavin newsom in 2018 lost. were largely the driving forces that said let's try to do this again. the recall election. democrats have a 2-1 advantage. if they reasonably participate gavin newsom is fine. what gavin newsom wants is a big no. he wants a huge no vote. so, this is about something. you just had a conversation with a business leader about vaccine mandates. again, california is not texas. it is not florida. it is not even michigan or wisconsin. those are democratic states. they're not as liberal as california. but gavin newsom wants the voters of california to say, yes, we know masks suck, but we need to keep wearing them. we know mandates -- you don't want the government telling you what to do. but in some public health crises, maybe the government should guide us through it. there are national implication to what happens tonight. again, i wouldn't overmagnify it, but let's watch. >> you're talking about something democrats can hang onto as a way to win going forward. they're clearly trying to say larry elder is donald trump. joe biden said as much last night on the stump. trump may be helping him a little bit, too, by saying the
california recall is rigged even before the votes are counted here. will we learn whether the trumpification of politics is still effective for democrats? >> yes. terri mcauliffe in virginia will be watching that. anybody running in 2022 midterm elections will be watching that. can you nationalize, trump ify if trump is not on the ballot? he gave them a refoil. newsome stays, newsome goes. that's what you want. if you're the opposition to the governor in recall, you want it to be stay or go. you do not want it to be stay or larry elder. for a whole number of reasons, including, you know, his positions, right. again, california is a very blue state. larry elder's positions are out of the mainstream in california. maybe he could sell them elsewhere, but they're out of the mainstream. we've had election after election where candidates have run on those positions and lost. it's a blue state. the other thing you touched on which is something i hope every republican around the country thinks about.
the fraud when larry elder says it's rigged. when donald trump says it's rigged, the fraud is on you. the fraud it is on republican voters. when your team losers, when donald trump loses, when republicans keep losing in california, the challenge should be, how do we win the next one? do we change our ideas? do we need to talk to voters of color about immigration? do we need to talk to younger voters about climate, same-sex marriage in a way we appreciate? we don't want to change our position so it's rigged. that is a fraud on republican voters. they are the ones being defraud. . donald trump lost, there's no evidence of fraud in california. i hope republican voters stand up and say why don't we try to win. change the team if we have to, change the ideas if we have to find a better way to sell our ideas. if we think they're right let's stop saying it was stolen because it wasn't. >> john king, thank you for being here. please protect your self. >> hand mask, manicure, all these things. >> you can watch john on cnn's special coverage of the california recall election that begins at 10:00 p.m. back in a moment.
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all right. this is the good stuff, right. getting back to normal is fun, and after going dark 18 months ago, broadway is back. some of the biggest shows are returning tonight and cnn's athena jones is live from inside a broadway theater with more. this is very special, athena. >> reporter: it is, brianna. and certainly theaters like this one, shows like this are hoping people are ready to be back. we are inside the theater where a play by santiago hudson will be making its debut along with several other musicals, wicked, hamilton, the lion king. broadway is essential, the opening is essential to new
york's full reopening. it is an incredible part of the economy contributing $15 billion the last full season. supporting 97,000 jobs. so this is something that the mayor, the governor all want to cecum back. but, of course, they want to see it done safely. so there are a whole list of safety precautions involved here. proof of vaccination is required along with a government-issued i.d. you captain just show a card. you have to have your name match the government i.d. everyone will have to wear a mask unless they're eating or drinking in a designated spot. they upgraded the air filtration systems to comply with the hospital grade filters. and there is also going to be extensive cleaning, hand sanitizing so that people can come back and enjoy broadway and do so safely. brianna? >> get back to normal, take the precautions. these things go hand in hand. athena jones, thank you so much. cnn's coverage continues right now. ♪