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senate. >> if i became skeptical of the filibuster, it's because of your use of it, and i hope that you understand that you can't have it both ways. it can't be a rare procedure and be a procedure that dominates the actual business of the senate as this has done for so many years. >> so remember that senator mcconnell is the one who announced he would do everything he could to make president barack obama a one-term president. >> some have said it was indelicate of me to suggest that our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny president obama a second term. >> that was a nice smirk there, but it didn't work. mcconnell infamously blocked former president obama's supreme court pick, merrick garland, even though obama had 11 months in office. mitch mcconnell refused to take
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up a huge chunk of bills. if the senate ends up scorched, we all know who lit the match. at least eight people are dead after multiple spa shootings in the atlanta area. four of the victims are asian. one suspect is in custody. we have the latest from the scene next.
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breaking news tonight. at least eight people killed in shootings at three spas in metro atlanta. one suspect is in custody. cnn is live from the scene. president biden visiting a small business in pennsylvania as part of his help is here national tour promoting the nearly $2 trillion covid relief law that didn't get a single republican vote. also tonight, former president trump encouraging americans, including his supporters, to get vaccinated. that as medical experts fear states are easing up their
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covid-19 restrictions too fast as a highly contagious variant of the virus spreads quickly in the united states. let's get right to our breaking news now. i'm talking about those shootings at three spas in georgia tonight, leaving at least eight people dead. two shootings in northeast atlanta and one in northwest, one northwest of the city in cherokee county. a suspect in cherokee county in the shooting there has been taken into custody. so let's go right to cnn's ryan young. ryan, good evening to you. the fbi now assisting with this investigation. what can you tell us? >> reporter: don, we know that robert long has been arrested in this case. we're told he's 21 years old. that's what the cherokee county sheriff's department released that information early in the evening. we do know there was a chase involved in this and georgia state patrol actually used a p.i.t. maneuver. that's when a trooper uses his car to bump the car and send it out of control. we're not sure if he said anything to authorities about the motive behind this case, but obviously police from several different jurisdictions are
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working with the theory that all these shootings are connected. now, as i step out of the way here, you can still see the active crime scene. these shootings started around 5:00 this afternoon, don. we know they first happened in cherokee county where four people were shot and killed. and then there are two different scenes here. if you look far to your left here, you can see that one spa right here. and then across the street, there is another shooting scene. now, detectives and the medical examiner's office are still out here gathering evidence even at this late hour. we do believe there's also a ton of video surveillance, and that's how the cherokee county sheriff's department was able to put out that image early on. so they knew that the suspect was driving a black hyundai, and that's how they were able to go after that car. this has been developing all throughout the evening. we do know the cherokee county sheriff's department hasn't released any information about the victims shot there because they're still trying to notice next of kin. here we do know the race of the four people shot here.
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four asian women. the spas all located pretty close. the working theory right now is all these cases are connected and of course they're going to go through the video and try to figure out exactly how this suspect was connected to all these locations. >> ryan, listen, obviously we don't want to get ahead of the investigation here. but we have seen a disturbing rise in attacks against asian-americans recently. do officials think that could be at least a factor, right, in these shootings? because we've been reporting on these anti-asian crimes all over the country. what's going on here, they think? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, don. i think you can tell that we're trying to be very careful in terms of not getting ahead of the investigators. but it does seem like that played some role in this in terms of the victims involved. now, was it a fact that he was a customer at some of these places and was upset about something? was he targets these people for a specific reason because obviously cherokee county is 47 minutes away from here. you got to think about drive time in traffic. so he drove to this location, went into one location, then went across the street to the
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next location. was he targeting people in particular, or was he looking for someone of a certain race? that's something that all the detectives obviously will break down. we know the fbi is assisting. the governor of georgia also releasing a statement basically saying that his hearts and prayers go out to the families involved in this. he's also thanking law enforcement for the quick apprehension of the suspect. but so many questions at this hour. i don't think that we thought we'd be here at this point, don, when we first started this case early this morning, when they had all the shell casings outside, and we were hearing from witnesses in the area that they heard people screaming and yelling. but now we know a suspect has been under arrest. we still don't know when that first court appearance will be for that suspect and whether or not he's talking to investigators right now, who obviously are probably asking those really important questions. >> we will let the investigation play out, but certainly in these times, it's a worthwhile question. thank you. i appreciate it. i want to turn to a whole lot of headlines from president joe biden tonight. let's discuss with john avlon
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and ron brownstein. good to see you. so, john, this massive fight that is looming over voting rights, that's what i want to start with. the former president is admitting that republicans can't win if democrats pass their bill. but it's unlikely that they can get it done without getting rid of the filibuster. and tonight the current president biden is saying that he supports an old-fashioned talking filibuster. something is going to have to give here. which one do you think it's going to be? >> there's going to be some form of filibuster reform. when it happens, how it happens is tbd. but you got to understand that the filibuster itself has been used and abused and escalated in recent years well beyond the way it was back in the day. this has been misused at different times in our history for sure. but folks have in their mind the kind of "mr. smith goes to washington" talking in the senate well. now it's a procedural item that can be done with very little pain, one vote. so what biden's basically saying is let's reform the filibuster
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to get this done, and there's a lot of different ways to do that. you could put the onus on the minority party to get 41 votes. you could say it's got to be in person. there's got to be skin in the game. but what it can't be is a total blocking of the majority's agenda, particularly with regard to voting rights just by the flick of a switch in effect. >> yeah. so, ron, listen, we've discussed this before about how much the current president's going to work with the other side, who have been obstructionist, right? but joe biden, president biden told george stephanopoulos that republicans will have an epiphany between now and 2022 and start working with him. i mean -- go on. >> yeah. that is going to be his position, right? i mean he is positioning himself almost as a figure above politics, kind of a point where the two parties, you know, come together. almost an eisenhower kind of figure. and it is very good positioning for him. obviously you can see it in the
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way the public is reacting to the first months of his presidency. the question is to what extent does the rest of the party act upon that amid the inescapable evidence that there is no epiphany. there is no willingness of republicans to work with him on almost anything that they care about. as john noted and as you noted, really where this i think is going to come to a head above all is on these questions of of voting rights because voting rights were explosive enough to begin with. but now they're against the backdrop of not kind of a neutral backdrop of nothing happening but the choice between democrats is either you go ahead and establish a federal floor of voting rights for all americans or you are acquiescing in the broadest wave of repression since jim crow. that is the issue on which the filibuster is going to come to a head. >> john, president biden was asked about the sexual harassment allegations against governor cuomo. take a listen. >> if the investigation confirms the claims of the women, should
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he resign? >> yes, i think he will probably end up being prosecuted too. i woman should be presumed to telling the truth and should not be scapegoated and become victimized by her coming forward, number one. but there should be an investigation to determine whether what she says is true. >> so here's a question, john. this is all coming as new polls show that half of new york voters don't think that cuomo should resign. and the question is can he ride this out if the public doesn't turn on him because you have all these lawmakers saying, he should resign. he should do whatever. he's saying, i'm not going to do it. but half of the voters say don't. >> yeah. i mean that poll is striking for all the reasons you just said. look, you know, the mayor of new york's approval rating is a quarter of the number of people who think that, you know, that cuomo should resign. look, i think what's clear and the standard that biden is setting out is there should be no resignation before
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investigation. and that is a fair due process argument. but i don't think anyone should expect that cuomo will resign given this poll, given everything else, unless the investigation concludes and he can read the votes the senate and then he may jump before he's pushed like nixon. but there's nothing to suggest that this guy, who is tough and a political animal, will resign. it's just not in his dna. >> i got to ask you, ron, i mean folks are asking, what about the northam effect? you know what i mean? >> yeah. and the trump effect. i mean, you know, look, you can imagine in a world before donald trump that andrew cuomo would have faced irresistible pressure to resign already. but i think that poll reflects a kind of view among at least some democrats that if republicans are not going to hold their elected officials to standards, why peremptory rilly take your own pieces off the board.
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i think that gives him more leeway than woe have had a few years ago. if there is an investigation that provides important corroboration of these accusations, it's not an infinite grant and he will face growing pressure. but northam showed that in this world, i think in the post-trump world, that if you try to tough it out, you at least have more of a chance than you would have earlier. whether that's good or bad for the country, i'm not really sure. but i do think there are a lot of democrats who wonder about the double standard with so many republican elected official who's have faced charges and no real -- >> quick, john, if you will, please. >> also i think the lessons democrats took from the forcing out of al franken before an investigation. >> all fair assessments here. thank you very much. i appreciate it. i want to bring in dr. jonathan reiner. he's the director of the cardiac catheterization program at george washington university hospital. good to see you for our nightly house call. thank you, doctor. so the cdc is warning that we
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are just weeks away from the uk variant becoming the dominant strain here in the u.s. there is a 64% higher chance of dying from this variant but less than 22% of americans have had at least one vaccine dose. are we losing this critical race against time right now? >> no, i don't think we're losing it. first of all, i think we're leading the world in vaccinations. we're finally doing really well in that, and week after week, more vaccines are getting into arms. but i do think we're racing the variants, and if we ever needed incentive to double down on the things that we know that work, like masks and social distancing, staying out of crowds, we should do that now. and if we need incentive to get vaccines into arms, here it is. all three of the vaccines that are approved in the united states are very effective
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against the uk b.1.1.7 variant. if you get vaccinated, you'll be protected from the coronavirus. so let's all get vaccinated. about 27% of adults have had at least one shot. about 75% of people over the age of 75, about 65% of people over the age of 65. so we're doing a pretty good job at getting vaccines into the most vulnerable. now we got to get shots into the people who are spreading the virus, and that's the young people. and we're starting to see states do that now. >> yeah. doctor, in 15 states, cases reported over the past seven days are up at least 10% from a week ago. and we're seeing new hot spots in minnesota and michigan. >> reporter: cases are more than 40% higher than last week. so how do you explain this rise? do you think that it's
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restrictions -- these loosening of restrictions, or could it be the new variants? is it a combination? what's going on here. >> yeah, i think it's a combination. overall in the united states, you know, compared to last week, we're still doing okay. cases are down about 5%. hospitalizations are down about 11%. and deaths are down a whopping 28%. but you're right. in about 15 states, we have seen a bump up, and i think there's a little bit of -- there's probably a lot of pandemic fatigue. people are out and about more. people are traveling now. and we have more transmissible variants. again, more reason to keep mask mandates, keep wearing your masks, and get vaccinated. so we're at a little bit of a tipping point. we get a bit more vaccine into arms, i think we can keep another surge at bay. if we start to get careless or
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we, you know, lose momentum in vaccination, yeah, we could see another surge. i don't think it's inevitable. >> yeah. so we talked about, you know, especially republican men, right, not wanting to get the vaccine. the former president is finally encouraging americans to get vaccinated. this is what he said on fox news. here it is. >> yeah, i would recommend it, and i would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it. and a lot of those people voted for me frankly. but, you know, again, we have our freedoms, and we have to live by that. and i agree with that also. but it's a great vaccine. it's a safe vaccine, and it's something that works. >> that we have our freedom thing, i don't know why he has to throw that in there. duh, we know that. we've seen pundits push lies
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about the vaccine. do you think trump's recommendation can still make a difference at this point? >> i hope so. i'm glad to hear the former president at least make this sort of tepid response. but right. there's always a little bit of a step backwards. so he tells his supporters that he recommends the vaccine, but then reminds them, yeah, you're free not to do it. look, this is three months after we started vaccinating people, the former president finally makes a statement about this. three months out. >> three months after he got the vaccine before he left the white house quietly in private, right? >> that's right. and remember, the cdc recommended all americans wear masks on april 3rd. it would be three months before the former president would allow himself to be photographed wearing a mask. so we've seen this before. and then only reluctantly. so, you know, i was glad to hear him say that. you know, if he wants to do something really big, then maybe he should start holding vaccination rallies around the
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united states. he can draw a crowd. but the price of admission is a shot. >> and a mask. >> go around the country. go around the country getting people to get vaccinated. >> yeah. thank you, doctor. appreciate it. i'll see you soon. >> thanks, don. news on just how far election interference went in 2020 as republicans are gearing up to suppress your vote in states all across the country. democracy under fire from within and without. >> i think we have a leadership issue, and the quicker we stop looking at this mirage that was created around misinformation and election fraud and conspiracy things, the quicker we're going to get a game plan together to start building a gop 2.0. and adaptive 360° fit so they can move the way they were born to [music]: born to be wild pampers cruisers 360° fit
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so on this show we have been focusing on the threat to your vote and what it means for our democracy. and today we have got two stories that show it is threatened by our enemies abroad and some of our leaders right here at home. first overseas threat. a newly declassified intel report finding russia meddled in the 2020 election to try and hurt biden's chances at winning.
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that vladimir putin approved operations aimed at, quote, denigrating president biden's candidacy and the democratic party, supporting former president trump, undermining confidence in the electoral process, and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions in the u.s. the report says there is no evidence any foreign actor attempted to alter ballots or results. so joining me now to discuss, cnn's national security analyst and former director of national intelligence, and that is james clapper. director, so good to have you on. thank you so much. this report is the most comprehensive look that we have gotten into interference in the 2020 election, and it makes clear that the biggest threat our election faced was from russia, not china as some in the trump administration had claimed. and this threat came right from putin. >> well, exactly, don. whatever else you say about the russians, they're consistent.
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and were some respects, reading this report, the unclassified version, is very reminiscent of the report that we issued in early 2017, which basically recounted the same behavior. and just as in 2016 we detected no evidence of interfering with voter tallies or any of the mechanisms connected with voting, whether it's registration, tabulating votes, or reporting them, and we had a similar finding for the election of 2016, which we reported out in 2017. so lots of consistency here, and of course the other thing i'd note, i think it's very unlikely that this report would have come out if president trump were still in office. >> the biden administration is expected to announce sanctions soon, but how different is the posturing the biden administration is taking in response to this compared to the trump administration, the way they handled russian aggression?
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>> well, that's an interesting question because institutionally, the last administration was in some cases pretty stiff with the russians. that was not the case with the president himself, who at no time during his four years in office ever dimed out putin personally or the russians institutionally. so it's a little different certainly in tone. perhaps not much different in substance in terms of what to do -- actually what to do about the russians by way of punishing them. >> so, director, one of russia's key goals was to sow doubt in the democratic process, and they could not have asked for a better help than the former president and republicans in congress. the whole world saw our capitol building ransacked over the big lie that they're still keeping up. how do we fight threats to our
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democracy still coming from within our own house? >> well, i think, don, you put your finger on the key issue here, which is the assault on our democracy both from external sources as well as internal sources. and that is a very serious problem. you know, the demonstration of that, of course, are the 250-plus bills that have been proposed in the republican-dominated legislatures across the country, some 43 states, which for me at least is an internal assault on our democracy, that is to restrict or suppress the right to vote as well as the foreign assaults on our system. and of course it wasn't just the russians involved. at least the iranians are also involved in 2020 although there's no mention of how successful or effective the
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iranians were. but it was once again the russians. and this is a general trend around the world. you know, democracy is under assault in general, and of course the irony is here the bastion of democracy in the united states where you wouldn't expect that to happen. >> always a pleasure. thank you so much. >> thank you, don. and congratulations on the book. >> thank you. i really appreciate it. it means the world as you know, coming from you, director. i have so much respect for you. you're one of my favorite guests on this show, so thank you so much. i really appreciate it. >> thanks, don. now the threat from our leaders here at home. republicans across the country trying to roll back voting rights. more than 250 bills in 43 states would make it tougher to vote. georgia, which flipped for biden and sent two democrats to the senate, is ground zero for these efforts. joining me now, another one of my favorite guests. it's latosha brown, the co-founder of black voters matter.
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i appreciate your passion and of course all of the hard work that you do on behalf of every citizen in this country, every voting citizen, because you believe that everyone should have access, as many people as possible, to voting and the electoral process in this country. so latosha, thank you for joining. the georgia state senate passed a sweeping election bill that would repeal no-excuse absentee voting, limit mobile voting sites, cut back on early voting. what is going on there in georgia? >> what is going on is a punitive effort led by the gop in the state to turn back the hands of time. fundamentally what wound up happening, what we know in this last election cycle, we had black voters coming out in record numbers, which actually made a difference. that they lost control. they had control of the statehouse, the state senate, and the governor's office, and so for them to lose as badly as they did, to lose in the
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presidential election and then to lose those two senate seats, that the only way that they believe that they can recapture power and control in the state is quite frankly to cheat and to disenfranchise, particularly targeted at black voters. but what they're actually -- although it's rooted in racism, what they're offering is actually a fundamentally weakens democracy. so this is what we're seeing. we're seeing it all across the country. and while it's happening in georgia, it actually has implications all over the country. it will set a precedent that will be extremely dangerous in undermining democracy in this nation. >> georgia is one of 23 states where republicans control, as you said, you know all of the branches and all of the levers. but they lost two senate seats, and they lost the presidency. so let's talk about your group now, what you're doing to try to preserve these rights. calling on coke, delta, home depot, ups, some of the other
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huge georgia-based companies to be more active in preventing these bills from passing. what would you like to see them do? >> you know, let me say we want to hold them to their word. last summer when we had the george floyd uprisings and all of the companies came out, many of these fortune 500 companies came out and said they stood for racial equity. as a matter of fact, let me read to you what actually came out in the georgia chamber of commerce, which all of these companies, coco cola, aflac, home depot, all of them are members. that we recognize that much needs to be done to remove the barriers that prevent people from realizing their potential, especially black americans. and we welcome the opportunity to partner. the bottom line is they're making a statement. they made a statement that they recognize that there were attacks, that they recognize there were challenges and equity challenges in the state of georgia and all over this nation that were rooted in race. so what i would see, and i do think all of our partners, what we're saying right now is make
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that be real. that it just can't be we're talking about racial equity, it can't be a matter of you make a nice statement because we're in the heat of the moment. but you have to put action behind your words. we believe voting is not a partisan issue. you can vote for whatever party you want to vote for, but having access to the ballot is a democracy issue. and democracy is good for businesses, and businesses and corporations like ups that we've not heard from, like aflac that we've not heard from, coco cola and home depot made a statement, but they backtracked it yesterday. we're concerned about is the chamber really showing some leadership behind that racial equity statement and really being able to stand on an issue that's clearly rooted in racism and anti-democracy. >> hmm. as i said, i love your truth, and i love your passion. listen, you're right. you can't just do lip service. you can't just put out a statement. you have to do the work. and in many instances putting
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one of the men charged with taking part in the attack against officer michael fanone during the capitol riot is now back in jail. an alleged member of the extremist group the three percenters appearing in court after his own teenage daughter testified about threats he allegedly made. she's claiming that he told her not to turn him in and that, quote, traitors get shot. cnn's jessica schneider has the latest. >> reporter: the man accused of viciously assaulting d.c. police officer michael fanone is back in jail after a d.c. judge
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reversed the decision of a new york federal judge to let thomas sibick go free. chief judge beryl howell ruling sibick belonged behind bars, saying his actions were egre egregious. prosecutors say sibick was seen on footage attacking officer fanone, who told cnn he had to fight for his life. >> they were screaming out, you know, kill him with his own gun. i just remember yelling out that i have kids, and it seemed to work. some people in the crowd started to encircle me and try to offer me some level of protection. >> reporter: sibick is also accused of stealing officer fanone's police badge and radio, something investigators say sibick lied to them about. court documents say he first claimed he left the badge in d.c. then he said he threw it in a dumpster, and finally admitted to burying the badge in his backyard. >> guys were stripping me of my gear, these rioters pulling my badge off my chest. they ripped my radio. >> reporter: judge howell
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slammed sibick's alleged actions saying stealing the lifeline of the radio to call for safety, it is just not acceptable. it is lawless behavior. also still behind bars after a court appearance today, guy ref et. prosecutors say he's a member of the texas three percenters group, an extremest paramilitary group, and that he drove to washington with guns in his car days before january 6th and took part in the capitol attack, carrying restraints. his children testified against him in court. his 16-year-old daughter detailed the comments she says her father made when he came home to texas after allegedly storming the capitol. she says he told her he would put a bullet through her cell phone if she posted about him on social media and if she or her brother turned him in, they would be traitors, and traitors get shot, his daughter testified. but his 18-year-old son jackson told cnn's chris cuomo he talked to police anyway. >> it just felt like the right thing regardless of my emotions
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and how i felt and how much i loved my family and my dad, i didn't think he would actually do anything bad. but him saying anything even remotely threatening to me and my sister and my family and government officials, it was just too much. >> reporter: prosecutors are now digging into exactly who guy reffet is and if he was making any other violent plans. we've learned that prosecutors have now seized 28 electronic devices from his home. they're looking into that. and they're also considering any other charges, including conspiracy. don. >> thank you very much. i appreciate that. tv's the bachelor taking on a big conversation about race after bachelor matt james learned about the controversial past of rachel kirkconnell. proven ingredients that fuel 5 indicators of brain performance. memory, focus, accuracy, learning, and concentration.
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so there is lots of drama in the season finale of the bachelor. matt james handed out his final rose to rachel kirkconnell, who really made headlines after photos surfaced of her at an antebellum plantation themed fraternity formal. this was back in 2018. but during the after the rose ceremony hosted by emmanuel acho, james said that he had broken up with kirkconnell because of the controversial photos. kirkconnell then apologized. >> i see someone who was living in this ignorance without even like thinking about who it would be hurting. i think that people need to realize that just saying, like,
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this is normal where i came from or this is common where i came from, that doesn't make it right, and that doesn't make it okay. >> when i questioned our relationship, it was on the context of you not fully understanding my blackness and what it means to be a black man in america. >> let's discuss now. emmanuel acho is here. he's the author of "uncomfortable conversations with a black man." he's also a fox sports analyst, co-hosting a live two-hour weekday show on fs1. good evening. thank you, sir. i really appreciate you joining us. i've never been interested in the bachelor until this controversy because it has a lot to do with what's happening in the culture now. so it's very important to watch. >> yeah. >> that was painful, i have to admit, to watch. but i feel like we finally heard something -- a really authentic conversation about race on the bachelor, and that rachel to
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me -- you tell me how you feel -- seems sincere, open to learning. what did you think about her apology and the whole discussion? >> man, i thought the discussion was incredibly fruitful. i think we have to do a better job of dissecting in our country the difference between being overtly and maliciously racist and being racially insensitive or rationally ignorant. what i told rachel kirkconnell was that her reactions were rationally insensitive. they were racially ignorant, but that doesn't inherently make someone a racist. what are your intentions? were your intentions malicious, or were you igignorant? the greater issue in america is why are people still so ignorant? i do think the bachelor franchise, that specific incident was a -- where we see ignorance at play and ignorance offends a group of people. now we have to do a better job all understanding because ignorance may be an explanation, but ignorance is no longer an excuse. >> right. and i've been saying since i've
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been promoting my book, you got to do the work. you can't just say, we should be having these conversations. you've got to do the work in order to even put a dent in this issue. chris harrison was the host of the show. he was removed after his comments defending rachel. and you've spoken with him, and you said that -- and i quote here -- people need to give him the opportunity, the grace, and the time as i just mentioned to do the work. talk to me about that. >> we have to give people room for redemption. >> mm-hmm. >> see, yes, we live in a society that now everybody's using the volatile terms like cancel culture. but can we decipher the difference between being canceled and being held accountable, right? rachel kirkconnell, she took accountability for her actions. chris harrison, in stepping down, he took accountability for his actions. for every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction. that's not just the law of physics, but that's actually a
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law of society and common sense. so let's all remember that just because one takes accountability does not mean they have been canceled. chris and i have had many conversations, fruitful dialogue where i've tried to help encourage him. he encouraged me in preparing for the episode, and i encouraged him and tried to enlighten his mind-set to bring forth better ungs. we have to do a better job of reconciling and giving people room por redemption. >> do you think chris has taken accountability because there were -- listen, as i listened and i watched rachel's apology, extremely sincere. it seems like she's willing to do the work and she's on the right path. do you think that same thing about chris? his apology did not ring as true and as sincere as rachel's. >> yeah. the difference was rachel had a dialogue with me that was a little more open-ended. it was a little more long form. her and i sat on the couch in person mind you, for 14 minutes, where i was able to respond to
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her thoughts and her questions. chris had a conversation via zoom that was -- we only saw five minutes of it. again, when you lose that interpersonal effect, don, you can't have really genuine, authentic conversations about volatile matters and expect to see the peak of that conversation over zoom. that's very risky. that's why all my uncomfortable conversations with the black man, they all occur in person because i'm trying to bring everybody in the best position to have understanding and in the best position to be received so that the world can continue to learn how to give grace. >> this was supposed to be, you know, a pivotal season for "the bachelor" after 25 seasons. they finally had a cast -- you know, they cast their first black bachelor. but it seems like they didn't understand that it's about more than just putting a black person on the show. how did this all go so wrong? >> well, wrong is depending on who defines it, right?
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so i think that "the bachelor" was accurate, but they were incomplete, meaning this. you have your first black bachelor, check, but the problem is who is telling the stories? do you have black producers, black executive producers? do you have black people in the casting room, casting a different variety of black people and black cultures and other persons of color. so it's a matter of, yes, they got the first black bachelor, but that's not enough. you put a band-aid on something that might have needed reconstructive surgery. we have to look again, what's the difference between dert diversity and inclusion? i think "the bachelor" came face to face with the fact that they were accurate, but they were incomplete and work still needs to be done. >> black people telling black stories. even if there's a black face in front, it all still matters. thank you very much. by the way, great job, all right? keep it up.
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it's good to have you on. >> thank you. listen, the same conversations that we're having here, that's what's in my new book. it's called "this is the fire: what i say to my friends about racism." it is out today, and i hope will you check it out. meantime, the governor of california, gavin newsom, fighting back as he faces a major effort to recall him. he claims it's all political. my plaque psoriasis... ...the itching ...the burning. the stinging. my skin was no longer mine. my psoriatic arthritis, made my joints stiff, swollen... painful. emerge tremfyant™ with tremfya®, adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... ...can uncover clearer skin and improve symptoms at 16 weeks. tremfya® is also approved for adults with active psoriatic arthritis. serious allergic reactions may occur. tremfya® may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms or if you had a vaccine or plan to.
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new tonight, california governor gavin newsom in the fight of his political life. newsom pushing back against a well-funded effort to recall him. a process that could ultimately end his governorship. he says he is taking it seriously. >> we have the lowest threshold of the 19 states that allow recall in the country. all you need is about a quarter of the people that voted for donald trump getting this recall petition to the voters this november. so i'm anticipating it goes on. we're taking it very seriously. this is the sixth, sixth recall effort in just 25 months since i've been governor. this one appears because they got an extension from a judge to have the requisite signatures and absolutely we're taking it seriously. >> so newsom is framing the recall as a republican-backed movement supported by anti-vaxxers, qanon, conspiracy theorists, and anti-immigrant trump supporters. but recall organizers say their
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