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♪ welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. tonight we're breaking down a truly landmark u.s. intelligence community report revealing critical new evidence of russia's attempts to interfere in the 2020 presidential election here in the united states. the intel community assessing that russian operations were aimed at denigrating joe biden's candidacy and that moscow hoped to help then-president donald trump win reelection, just as it tried to help him win the election in 2016. the report also details extensive efforts by iran to undermine confidence in the
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american democracy while finding that china decided against meddling in the u.s. election last year. let's go to our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto who's been watching all of this so closely. how extensive, first of all, was russia's election interference? >> reporter: i spoke this evening to a former senior u.s. intelligence official who was involved in the 2016 assessment. he said to me that russia is nothing if not consistent here. when you look at this assessment, the headline figures in this assess, it is almost verbatim from what we reported on 2016. we assess that the russian president vladimir putin ordered this, directed this, much as the intelligence community assessed in 2016. let's then go onto what russia did to interfere. it says they conducted influence operations aimed at denigrating president biden's candidacy. reminds you of what they did in
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2016 in terms of denigrating hillary clinton. but also denigrating the democratic party, supporting former president trump as the intel community assessed in 2016 and undermining more broadly public confidence in the electoral process and exacerbating sociopolitical divisions here in the u.s. what's notable and different about 2020 from russia's perspective is that the intelligence community says they essentially had help here, they used proxies in the u.s., including people close to president trump, for this disinformation campaign. one of them, the president's former personal attorney, rudy giuliani, who they note -- and we knew this already, but they note met with andre der cash, a ukrainian politician with known ties to russian intelligence with the intention of passing on information damaging to
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then-candidate biden and his son hunter biden. that's a notable change from 2016, that they had in effect help from inside of this country, whether witting or unwitting. one thing russia did not do according to the intelligence community is interfere, though, wolf, with actual election systems. they did not change the vote count, that consistent with 2016 as well. >> this report, you've gone through it, i've done through it. the national intelligence council foreign threats to the 2020 u.s. elections. tell us about other u.s. adversaries. >> reporter: it said, for instance, iran interfered as well, similarly via disinformation campaigns with the intention of the opposite of russia in this case, undercutting former president trump rather than aiding him. it says iran did not take the step then of aiding joe biden's candidacy, focusing on instead
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of undercutting confidence in trump. what is notable is china's absence from interference here. in fact, the report says very definitively that china decided the following in effect. it says china sought stability in its relationship with the united states, did not view either election outcome as being advantageous enough for china to risk getting caught meddling. that's notable, their choice not to. but it's also notable because it directly contradicted what we heard, including yourself from interviews from senior trump officials leading up to the election, they deliberately said that china was on a par with russia or a greater threat than russia. fact is that wasn't the case. china sat this out. russia interfered again and, again, to help trump and damage his democratic opponent. >> that's an important point. stick around. right now i want to bring in our
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senior white house correspondent phil mattingly over at the white house. the biden administration, i understand, is planning to respond to this u.s. intelligence community report. tell our viewers what you're learning. >> reporter: president biden since his first day in office made clear he will impose costs on russia if he feels that the u.s. has been attacked and the u.s. is planning to apply sanctions to russia as soon as next week according to u.s. officials. the details of those sanctions are still a little bit unclear, but it underscored that this will be the second time the biden administration have sanctioned entities in russia, the first with relation to alexei navalny. there's also an expectation that even more will be coming beyond just this election interference issue. obviously the solar winds hack is an investigation that's still ongoing. u.s. officials saying they're still uncovering the details of the depth of that hack that led to the intrusion of several u.s. government agencies as well.
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what you're seeing from the biden administration is obviously a change in tone, but also an attempt to take action. they're absolutely willing to work with russia where they can, the new treaty being the prime example that president biden and president putin were able to reach an agreement on. where they can't, they will attempt to impose cost. when it comes to election interference and the solar winds hack and the poisoning of officials, the u.s. making it very clear they will act and impose costs. >> i want to bring in jim sciutto along with gloria borger. is it fair to say the russians succeeded in sewing more chaos, more political division, more racial division here in the united states last year? that was clearly one of their goals. >> yes, they succeeded, but they had a huge ally we haven't
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talked about yet. that is donald trump himself. they did mention the use of proxies linked to russian intelligence. jim talked about that. but what about the fact that donald trump himself was running around the country before the election talking about how the election was rigged? what did that do to confidence in the election? we still have people, of course, who don't believe that joe biden the duly-elected president of the united states. we have people who stormed the capitol who believed that joe biden was not the duly-elected president of the united states. so in a way, the russians, yes, they were out there doing this. they had their proxies, as jim spoke about. but they also had the sitting president of the united states of america doing their work for them. >> they certainly did. you know, jim, as you just mentioned a few minutes ago, this intelligence community report seems to contradict
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something then-attorney general william barr told me during an interview last september. let me play this exchange we had. >> the intelligence community says russia, china and iran are seeking to interfere in the u.s. presidential election for various reasons. of those three countries, the intelligence community has pointed to, russia, china and iran, which is the most assertive, the most aggressive in this area? >> i believe it's china. >> china more than russia right now? >> yes. >> that obviously is not what this report found, jim. i'll read that one sentence. we assess that china did not deploy interference efforts and considered but did not deploy interference efforts intended to change the outcome of the u.s. presidential election. clearly he was wrong. >> reporter: absolutely, as was the director of national intelligence under trump, john radcliff when they deliberately write, placed china on a level
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with russia or, as you heard barr there, placed it above russia. the possibilities are they missed it. they got it wrong. or they deliberately misled to fit the president's misleading narrative here because he could not stomach through all four years of his presidency directly calling out russia for influence in 2016 and now again in 2020. to gloria's point there as well, dividing the u.s. and undermining confidence in the u.s. political system is their abject goal here. they wanted to do that and they had the president and, by the way, a lot of sitting u.s. lawmakers who are still in their positions, to help them. you had two-thirds of the republican caucus in the house vote after the election to turn down electoral results, adding to that confusion and lack of confidence in the election. i would imagine that in the kremlin they could not have imagined that level of success
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with that interference. >> in the 2016 intelligence community report, they said that one of russia's goals was to sow political dissent here in the united states. they certainly succeeded in 2016. once again they say russia wanted to create as much political chaos, dissent in the u.s. as possible to weaken the u.s. globally, internally and they succeeded as well. phil, one section of the report confirm what is we heard from various various national security officials in the immediate aftermath of the election. let me read from the report. we have no indications that any foreign actor attempted to alter any technical aspect of the voting process in the 2020 u.s. elections, including voter registration, casting ballots, vote tabulation or reporting results. phil, despite trump's reapprepeated lies about the election, how far does this go in debunking
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baseless claims? >> however far complete debunking is. add this to the list. when you called the election, whether it was court cases, audits, intelligence community reports, whether it's reports from states, issue after issue after issue after issue has been completely debunked as baseless, has been completely cast aside. while i understand there are some who may still believe that president biden is not the duly-elected president of the united states, nobody who is looking at accurate information can hold that position right now. i think to some degree the use of this report is to maybe change a few more minds, if anybody was still believing randomly that some foreign dictator who's no longer alive played some role in voting machines. probably the better purpose of this report -- and jim know this is quite well -- when you talk to congressional officials is, one, making very clear there
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were no significant intrusions in terms of tabulating votes, in terms of actual vote counting. but also how it lays the groundwork for preparations for the next election cycles and how election security can be enhanced by taking deep dives like this. >> the report mentions that people close to former president trump were specifically targeted by russian individuals and others who had close links to the russian intelligence community, targeted with a lot of disinformation which these associates of trump's then repeated on television and elsewhere and spread all these lies and propaganda. it sort of reminded me of what we saw back in 2016, right? >> there's a little bit of deja vu there. if you recall in the mueller report, what mueller said was there were these proxies, but he couldn't prove a criminal conspiracy. and collusion, of course, is not a legal term, but he couldn't prove collusion, which is why he
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did not say there was collusion. but what you're seeing here is effectively an intelligence assessment which says, yes, there was, wittingly or unwittingly. and while rudy giuliani is not named specifically, it's very clear that is one person that is referred to in all of this. so there are similarities for some reason, and we don't know what, the president of the united states surrounded himself with people that russian intelligence felt they could deal with and use their proxies to deal with these people. we don't know the rest of the story yet. that's probably classified. we don't know that, but this comes up time and time again. >> and we do know, jim, you and i, we're well aware of this, that there were deep, deep concerns during the trump
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administration that intelligence was being politicized. does this report have any hint of political interference? >> reporter: well, this one does not, it seems. but the difference between this one and the public assessments and statements like bill barr in your interview and others prior now revealed again. i mean, the two explanations are wrong or deliberately misleading. as senior intelligence officials have reminded me, this assessment did not begin on november 3rd. there was work being done in the weeks and days leading up to the election where they were watching for this stuff. by the way, we were all hearing it, right? we were hearing giuliani sharing this disinformation on the air, et cetera. again, the two explanations from trump administration officials are that they were flat-out wrong or deliberately misleading and neither one of those is good. >> stand by. another troubling study of the astrazeneca vaccine as more
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. president biden just wrapped up the first stop of his new covid relief sales tour. he traveled to pennsylvania with a message for small business owners that financial help is on the way. we're also following the covid-19 vaccine rollout. our national correspondent nick watt has our nightly report of the pandemic. nick, there are growing concerns about the astrazeneca vaccine. it has not been authorized for use in this country. it has been authorized for use in various other countries. what is the latest? >> reporter: well, wolf, a small study in south africa found that against that variant first found in south africa, the astrazeneca vaccine did not show any protection against mild or moderate illness. astrazeneca says it may still provide protection against severe disease. now, as you mentioned, it's not
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yet authorized, not yet in use in this country. but so far this has been a very bad week for one of the major global vaccine players. >> thousands of people are dying across the eu every day. we have authorized four highly-effective covid vaccines. >> reporter: but 16 european countries just temporarily suspended use of one of them, the astrazeneca after blood clot issues in just 37 people of the 17 million plus who have had a shot in the eu and the u.k. the company says zero evidence their vaccine increases the risk of clots. >> it's no more with the astrazeneca vaccine than with the other vaccines. i don't think that they're making the right decision and i hope that they will reverse the decision, but when they do, even when they do, the damage is done. >> reporter: by damage, he means
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vaccine hesitancy. here in the u.s., nearly half of republicans say they won't even try to get a shot. >> we ploliticized mask usage which is obviously absurd. now we're politicizing taking the vaccine. it's crazy. >> reporter: meanwhile in mississippi, starting today, anyone 16 or older can get a covid-19 vaccine. get your shot, friends, tweeted the governor and let's get back to normal. moderna just injected the first children in a late-stage trial of its vaccine in the baby to 11-year-old demo. >> if we're going to get to 80% population, at some level children are going to need to be vaccinated. >> reporter: this was one year ago today. >> bars and gyms will close effective midnight tonight. >> reporter: california's bay area announcing the first stay-at-home order in the land. this week, a new dawn in the golden state. >> we're thrilled to be back
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open. >> reporter: angelinos in limited numbers can eat inside restaurants again, even go to the movies. >> we're watching "tom and jerry." we know it's going to be really funny. >> reporter: but average new covid case counts are now rising in as many states as they are falling. a month ago nebraska was the one and only state where cases were climbing. the country now nearing 30 million confirmed cases. the real number of cases likely double that, according to a study published today in a leading medical journal. scenes like this raise a question. how many more? >> every time we open up without the mask mandate, we've had a surge that has caused more people to die. >> reporter: now, every time we hear a governor rolling back restrictions, they say they trust their citizens to continue to make smart choices.
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exhibit a, the sweet butter kitchen here in los angeles is now allowed to open again for indoor dining, but they're not. they say they don't think it's quite safe yet and they want to wait until every member of staff who wants a vaccine can get one. >> interesting. nick, thank you very much. nick watt in l.a. for us. let's discuss with the dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jah, thank you very much for joining us. let me get your reaction to this moderna vaccine trial in young children. how important will it be for us to eventually vaccinate millions of kids if we're going to end this pandemic through what's called herd immunity? >> thanks for having me on. i think it's terrific. i think it's really important that we get kids vaccinated. i have three children. i want to get them vaccinated when we have data that it's safe. what this study does is start looking at the youngest kids and
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asks is it safe and effective to vaccinate these children. we'll have more data on this later in the summer or in the fall and that will give us much measure assurance on what to do next. >> let me get your analysis on the decision by multiple european countries to suspend the use of this astrazeneca vaccine over worries about blood clots. once again, this vaccine has not been authorized for use here in the united states. is there any reason to pause vaccinations while these concerns are being investigated over in europe? >> yeah. so i think it is, first of all, important to emphasize this does not affect american vaccinations at all. on the european side, i probably would not have done this. i have not seen any data to suggest that blood clot data is higher. blood clots are common, especially in older people. i would have investigated before pausing, especially right now that they're having such a bad
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outbreak of the u.k. variant in many of these countries. hopefully they'll be able to investigate quickly and make some decisions. >> what worries me, that these decisions in europe might actually contribute to what's called vaccine hesitancy among americans even though this astrazeneca shot hasn't been authorized here in the united states. people hear about these potential complications, they get nervous. >> absolutely, absolutely. there is a sense that, oh my gosh, maybe these vaccines are a problem. the three vaccines that have been authorized in the united states, johnson & johnson, moderna and pfizer, none of them -- and we have vaccinated 70-plus million americans already. we have not seen any significant complications. these vaccinations are going very well. these vaccines are obviously exceedingly safe. i worry a little bit about that spillover from europe, but i hope most people can distinguish between the two. >> i hope so too. just ahead i'll speak to
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tonight as quite a few republican-led states are trying to restrict voting rights for the american people, virginia's democratic governor has done the opposite, restoring voting privileges for tens of thousands of former felons. let's get some more from our
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political correspondent sarah murray. tell us about this move by virginia's governor and how it figures into the broader battle over voting rights? >> you're absolutely right. we've talked a lot about states that are taking steps to try to make it harder for people to vote after the 2020 election. in virginia the governor is doing the opposite making it ease rier for convicted felons be able to vote again. virginia's democratic governor ralph northam making it easier for convicted felons to regain their voting rights as soon as their complete their prison terms. >> if we want people to return to their communities and participate in society, we need to welcome them back fully. it's wrong to keep punishing people forever. >> the governor announcing today he's taking an executive action that would restore voting and other civil rights to former felons even if they're currently on parole or probation. it will immediately apply to
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more than 69,000 formerly incarcerated virginians. democrats are taking steps to expand voting rights at a time when gop lawmakers across the country are taking measures to make it harder to vote. the left-leaning center for justice says this year there are at least 250 bills introduced in 43 states that would restrict voting access. >> we're unfortunately seeing a wave of attacks on voting rights. >> on monday texas governor greg abbott threw his support behind measures introduced by texas republicans that would place new limits on early voting hours and absentee voting. the state already has some of the most restrictive election laws in the nation. >> there's one thing we should agree on. that is we must have trust and confidence in our elections. >> republican efforts to rein in early voting and vote by mail coming off an election cycle in which former president trump and other republicans championed
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baseless allegations of fraud amid record voter turnout. >> make no mistake, this election was stoetenlen. >> at the center, georgia where trump pressured election officials to overturn the reports. >> they defrauded us out of a win in georgia. >> state republicans are considering limits to limit weekend voting, and eliminate no excuse absentee ballots. voting rights advocates say these efforts disproportionately hurt minority voter and are a sign republicans won't let go of the big lie. >> there is one side continuing to perpetuate the big lie that there was widespread voter fraud in georgia and other states in 2020. then there is one side that is saying we want to continue to build upon the success of the 2020 election cycle when millions more of americans showed up and participated in our elections. >> now we've seen a lot of
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republicans fall in lockstep. a that has not been the case in georgia. in the state of georgia there has been some division among some republicans about some of these measures introduced in the state legislature. republicans in the state stood up to former president trump and said there was no widespread fraud inspite of threats from the former president, wolf. >> let's speak with one of those republican georgians, lieutenant governor jeff duncan. thank you so much mfor joining us. a lot of your republican colleague lawmakers are pushing for sweeping rollbacks in georgia, limiting absentee voting, early voting, drop boxes. why is any of this necessary when all of georgia's top election officials, they're all republicans, republican governor, you're the republican lieutenant governor, the republican secretary of state.
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they all vouched for the integrity of georgia's 2020 presidential election. >> well, wolf, you know, there's over 80 bills introduced in the general assembly this section that are election reform related. 21 of those are democratly written and certainly some are bipartisanly supported. i really think it's a redirection of some these folks directs. a lot of the senators on the republican side there's a lot of continued heartburn and angst in their districts. that's a manifestation of ten weeks of constant pounding and barrage of misinformation. it's unfortunate and quite honestly i think it's going to take us every bit of four years to unwind it. we've got our work cut out for us. >> you have no doubt that the election, the presidential election in georgia was free and fair? >> yeah, absolutely. i spent the better part of ten weeks saying that to you and
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others around the country. my focus was on trying to make sure that we didn't get caught off staring at the illusion of election fraud and look away from trying to elect two u.s. senators that were republicans. unfortunately that's exactly what happened and we took our eye off the ball. nearly 400,000 rural republicans didn't show back up in the runoff. that's our fault. there's no election reform needed. that was a lack of leadership. >> i want you to listen and watch what stacey abrams told our jake tapper sunday on cnn. >> the only connection that we can find is that more people of color voted and it changed outcome of elections in a direction that republicans do not like. there's a direct correlation between the usage of drop boxes, the usage of in-person early voting especially on sundays and the use of vote by mail and the direct increase of people of color voting. >> is she right, lieutenant governor? do republicans think they can win if they make it harder, for
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example, for people of color to vote? >> i can assure you this republican does not think that. i'm one of those republicans that thinks we need to get more folks to vote. i think our republican ideas are big enough and bold enough to help everybody. i certainly at the end of the day think an overwhelming number of americans think republicans best to be in charge of the economy, community safety, best to be in charge of our national security. so my goal is to message with a different tone, with an encouraging tone, to go to communities instead of running ads two weeks before an election. go dive into that single mom with two kids and three jobs and figure out what are her real problems, what can we do to help? that's the strategy we've got over the next four years if we're going to win the white house back. >> what bothers me is some republicans in these states want to severely cut back opportunities for folks to vote on a sunday when they don't have to work. they can go to church, then they can go vote. what do you say about sunday
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voting? >> i don't support repealing that. that's a great opportunity for folks to get out in their communities or whatever their schedule is after church. i don't think we have an election reform issue. i think we have a leadership issue. the quicker we stop looking at this mirage created around misinformation and election fraud and conspiracy theory, the quicker we're going to get a game plan together to start building a gop 2.0, something that focuses on real people and real problems and allows us to position ourselves. we should be talking about all of the things we don't like that a democratically-controlled senate are acting on. instead we're talking about conspiracy theories that just honestly didn't happen. >> you make a great point. you've got guts. you're a courageous politician. we appreciate it very much. georgia's lieutenant governor jeff duncan, thanks so much for joining us. just ahead i'll get reaction to my interview with the lawyer
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we're learning new details of the investigation into the embattled new york governor andrew cuomo as the lawyer for one of his accusers tells me she spoke with investigators for more than four hours. let's bring in cnn's senior legal analyst preebharara.
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i spoke with debra katz. i asked her about the 120 pages of records she says her client turned over to the investigators. listen to what she said. >> as governor cuomo was sexually harassing my client, she was writing her parents, she was writing her friends, she was telling them exactly what was happening in live time, how scared she was and really confirming what you've heard from her in her interview on cbs and what you've seen in public reporting. she did a very good job of detailing this, which is exactly why the governor has not denied the allegations. he stuck with the allegations. he said, i'm sorry i made you uncomfortable. but he can't deny it because he and everyone else knows this is exactly what he said and did. >> how were investigators able to use that type of information
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as they build their case? >> this information is incredibly important. in most criminal cases if not all or even civil cases, the question of the credibility of the person making the accusation is front and center and especially in these kind of sexual harassment cases and scenarios where there's no videotape, there's no audiotape, there are no live witnesses to the actual exchanges. the existence of contemporaneous statements or notes or e-mails or other kinds of documents that show in realtime what the person who later makes the accusation was feeling at the time is something that investigators and jurors and judges find very persuasive. what was the reason to make this record falsely and hold onto it for a long period of time? the things said in the moment to family members or friends or diar diaries, you have to make sure they're corroborated and held up and they make sense, but they're very powerful corroborators generally of what this person is
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saying. >> one of the bigger questions, preet, is whether more women are going to come forward and accuse governor cuomo of sexual harassment. listen to this exchange i just had with the attorney debra katz. have you been contacted by other women who have not yet come forward publicly with allegations against the governor, but say they experienced similar harassment? >> yes. >> what's happening with those other women? >> i think it's a very difficult and highly personal decision about whether to come forward. most women don't. >> what's your reaction to that? >> look, it's obviously a very significant thing if there are other people who come forward. it's not just the seriousness of any particular allegation, but the numerosity of allegations. i think we're up to seven women who have made some kind of allegation. we'll see what the investigators find and see if those things can be proven and corroborated and supported. but the more people who come forward, obviously the more
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serious the challenge is for governor cuomo and the more seriously the legislature and other folks have to consider what kind of accountability there has to be. >> preet, as usual, thank you very much. we're going to stay on top of this story, obviously, very significant story. just ahead, the court release new video of the so-called qanon shaman as he faces charges for his role in the capitol riot. you can try to predict the future or you can create it. we're driving it. everywhere. we emit optimism, not exhaust. we plug in our vehicles as naturally as we charge our phones. we. we are generation e. we want smart. clean. and safe. to also be fun, easy and powerful! ultium! a battery that charges fast. runs long. it fits everyone. nobody will be left out. and that, changes everything. ♪ ♪
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cnn's brian todd is covering all the angles for us. tell us more about these videos and why were they made public. >> reporter: the most visible rioter gotten on the bad side of the judge's case. >> we won the [ bleep ] day. >> reporter: jacob chandler. the so-called qanon shaman who wore a head dress and face paint will been called from u.s. district judge royce lambert. the judge believes back his assertion and court papers that chandler lied during an interview with 60-minute plus. this is what judge lambert believers. >> reporter: this video shows r rioters breaking windows and he was lying when he claims police
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waved him in. chandler had really angry this church and compromise his credibility in the mind of the judge. chancely pleaded not guilty to six charges in the capitol attack. judge lambert recently ruled that chancely ruled too dangerous to release and has to stay in jail pending his trial. one analyst says even though he's not accused of violent behavior, his profile as a symbol of the riot. >> the prosecutors have to understand the public is watching every move they make in this case, the notary of certain defendants is something they have to make in consideration.
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>> reporter: this comes as the washington post reports that the u.s. army in the days just ahead of january 6th pushed to deny the d.c. government's request for the deployment on the 6th. the internal draft army memo says the u.s. military should not be required to help with crowd control unless more than 100,000 were expected that day. >> it certainly not consistent. we use the national guard quite frequently to handle crowd control and traffic control. they are well trained. we have used it for far less. i don't understand what the rational was for that. >> it is important to note that the army ultimately rejected the idea in that memo and approved the mission. the defense department ended up ad agreeing to provide 340 members of the d.c. member guards to
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tonight we share more stories of people who die from the coronavirus. the loving father of twin daughters who never miss an opportunity to be with family and friends. john poet, his family brought him the greatest joy. joy was a golf fan. > >> the 63 years old. he was an amazing mother, gaetana, she always greeted her
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children at the door. may they rest in peace and may their blessings be with us. thank you, i am wolf blitzer, you can follow me on instagram and you can tweet the sh show @wolfblitzer at cnn. erin burnett is up next right now. this is cnn at the facilities housing migrant children. business in florida is booming despite the pandemic. state is doing better. the texas pastor convinces his congregation to get vaccinated. three out of four members to be vaccinated by easter. how did he do it? he's my guest. let's go up front. good evening, i am eri

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