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had this sort of thing. and the palace, you know, they had -- they learned lessons from that. but some people would say they haven't. >> max, thank you very much for all of the reporting. it doesn't seem like it's going away. >> we'll have a lot to talk about on monday and maybe different points of view. >> and "new day" continues right now. >> announcer: this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." i want to show you live pictures of the u.s. capitol, where house business has been canceled for the day. security is on high alert, because of a new threat of a potential attack on the capitol. this threat inspired by qanon madness that today marks the former president's return to power. it's a conspiracy, by the way, that's only enhanced by the continued lies about the election from the former president.
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some republicans in congress, and now the former vice president. also developing, the commanding general, the d.c. national guard tells congress why he believes it took over three hours to get his troops deployed to the capitol on january 6th. >> the word that i was -- i kept hearing was the optics of it. >> he also revealed that the day before the attack, he received this pentagon memo that changed the rules for how he could respond to the mob. mark this, a new set of rules for a mob they knew was full of trump supporters. >> reporter: a top republican on the house homeland security committee is pleading with the former president to tell his supporters to stand down. so far, mr. trump has not done that. and former vice president mike pence who you'll remember, the domestic terrorists wanted to hang on january 6th, is now helping to spread the lie that nearly got him killed. the capitol insurrectionists were feudal by misinformation.
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so what does mike pence do the day before this new threat? well, he adds more disinformation to this fire. let's begin with shimon prokupecz with the latest on the threat at the u.s. capitol. what's happening there at this hour, shimon? >> yeah, alisyn, good morning. fencing, right? we've seen this fencing. it continues to surround the capitol. the high fencing with the razor wiring. all across the capitol grounds. but i want to show you also out here on the street, cars that come through here -- this is a checkpoint. you can see the capitol police here with a -- with one of their bomb-sniffing dogs. so that when buses and other vehicles pull up here, they have to be checked by the bomb-sniffing dogs. and then you have the national guard. they're still here surrounding the capitol. all of this, of course, because of this threat, this chatter that a militia wants to come here, perhaps explode some bombs, try and get inside the
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cap capitol, attack democrats, attack republicans who have spoken out against the former president. all of this, as you guys have been mentioning, being fueled by the big lie. the idea that somehow joe biden is not the president. so much that the fbi has said that in an intelligence bulletin. they say the continued perception of election fraud and other conspiracy theorys is driving some of the concern across the country. mostly here right now, this is how security is. it's expected to be like this for the next few days. and as you said, this threat is so concerning that house members, today, decided, they're not going to come in. they're not going to be in session today. they're staying home. they voted last night on a bill that they were going to vote on today, but they decided because of this security concern to vote on it last night. this is what we're going to see her pretty much for the next few days. this stepped up security out here.
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>> i'll take it. shimon prokupecz, thank you so much. please keep us posted. joining us now, senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi. andy, this warning says the u.s. capitol police, we've obtained intelligence that shows a possible plot to breach the capitol, and identified a militia group on thursday, march 4th, that's today. that's based on this really convoluted theory, and there are a few different theories within the qanon world that has to do with returning the president to power. but as alisyn noted from talking to people, they believe this, right? >> absolutely. this is more than just a few pockets. this is big online chatter. >> what do you think, andy, then of the measures being taken today? >> reporter: i think it's the responsible course. i think what we're seeing is the law enforcement community in and around the capitol responding to this sort of chatter in a very different way than they did before january 6 th. we've even heard from some of the level of leadership involved the level of chatter about this
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crazy theory that's supposed to take place today is not even the same as the level of chatter that they were getting before january 6th. nevertheless, they are not taking any chances. that's why you see those national guard troops, 5,000 strong, still deployed to the capitol. and of course, the house declined to do business today, in an overabundance of caution. i think that's the way to go. i think what we're seeing here is a very responsible recalibration of the way that law enforcement intel focus think about this threat. >> andy, i feel like we got so many questions answered yesterday when major general william walker, the commanding general of the d.c. national guard spoke. he described this memo that he got a day before january 6th, that changed the rules of engagement. and so it wasn't about, it doesn't sound like, just the optics after how badly the lafayette square park thing went when president trump had his photo op. this was, they knew that trump
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supporters, a huge mob of trump supporters were coming, and they changed the rules. here is how he explains why it took three-plus hours to actually deploy the national guard. >> at 1:49 p.m., i received a frantic call from then chief of the united states capitol police, steven sund, where he informed me that the security perimeter of the united states capitol had been breached by hostile rioters. chief sund, his voice cracking with emotion, indicated that there was a dire emergency at the capitol. the approval for chief sund's request would eventually come from the acting secretary of defense and be relayed to me by army senior leaders at 5:08 p.m. about three hours and 19 minutes later. >> not only that, andy, there were other things that suddenly, as of january 5th, the national guard was not allowed to do. in this memo, it spelled out
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that they were not authorized to issue weapons, ammunition, bayonets, batons, ballistic protection equipment such as helmets or body armor. they were not allowed to physically interact with protesters, except when necessary in self-defense or defense of others. they weren't allowed to employ any riot control agents or share their equipment with law enforcement agencies. this was all a new directive. i mean, doesn't this answer so many questions? >> it really does, alisyn. and it's really concerning. i mean, let's step back for one second. if you are the commander of the d.c. guard, that phone call that he described from chief sund, that's the call that you've been preparing your entire career to get. and you have things like a quick reaction force, appropriately named, for that purpose. so that you can surge a reaction force into where there is a crisis. to find out that his authority, the commander's authority to deploy that force had been removed the day before, and i should add, said like that sort
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of authorization wouldn't be given without a submitted concept of operations, which is a very detailed plan that has to be prepared in advance, you've essentially declawed the national guard's ability to respond to this sort of crisis that we had on january 6th. and we saw what the result was of that. >> and they knew it was going to be a pro-trump mob. it didn't happen in a vacuum. they changed the rules when they already knew the nature of the threat at hand. andy, one other thing that's developed over the last day, jake tapper had a really interesting conversation with texas republican congressman, mike mccall, saying the former president needs to come out today and tell these qanon people to back off. stop thinking that i'm going to come back to power today. he obviously hasn't done that. not only that, he spoke to cpac over the weekend and continued the election lie, continued to suggest he won the election. not only that, mike pence, who, you know, could have died, if the mobsters had got their way
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on january 6th, he's now out spreading the same lie with an op-ed that appeared overnight that said, after an election marked by significant voting irregularities -- no, it wasn't. no, it wasn't. william barr says it wasn't. christopher wray says it wasn't. they are out there continuing this lie as there is a new threat even today. >> john, we know that conspiracy theorists, they put their theory out there and they look for validation. they typically have to kind of point to tea leaves and all kinds of other crazy things to essentially prove their lies. in this case, they are getting that sort of validation and authentication from some of our country's foremost leaders, from the former president himself. so with that sort of, you know, constantly adding a new log to this fire of insanity, this theory is not ever going to recede back into the back waters of the internet. it is going to stay vital. they will continue to point to statements like president pence
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as proof of what they're saying and that's going to keep this threat around. for everyone who's hoping to see these fences come down around the capitol, you can bet that they're going to be around a while longer, as long as these sort of theories persist. >> andy, i only have a few seconds, but now that you've heard from the commanding general of the d.c. national guard and that he had to prepare all of this paperwork for the acting secretary of defense, who do you think is responsible for if not a stand down order, certainly not a let's get into action order? >> i would love to be able to answer that for you, alisyn, but we're not going to be able to know the answer to that question until we have a very serious probing investigation, not senate hearings or house hearings, but actually investigators with subpoena power to go into these agencies and ask those tough questions. >> andrew mccabe, thank you very much. >> thank you. thanks. president biden likening the decision by governors to end mask mandates to, quote, neanderthal thinking. why dr. fauci says now is not
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dr. anthony fauci is criticizing the decision that texas and mississippi governors have made to end mask mandates and lift some other restrictions that were aimed at curbing the spread of coronavirus. >> i don't know why they're doing it, but it's certainly from a public health standpoint is ill advised. it just is inexplicable why you would want to pull back now. i understand the need to want to get back to normality, but you're only going to set yourself back if you just completely pull -- push aside the public health guidelines. >> joining us now is dr. chris pernell. she's a public health physician and a fellow at american college of preventative medicine. dr. pernell, great to see you. so the governor's rationale is, it's time to reopen businesses. it's time to allow people to resume their livelihoods. i'm unclear on how masks prevent either of those things? i don't understand how just
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wearing a mask prevents you from opening your business. >> i don't either. look, public health is not the enemy of economic recovery. and too often, we've had political actors make a decision where one was at odds with the other, when actually it's public health that allows us to guide and direct safe recovery, whether that's economic recovery, whether that's social or even cultural recovery. public health is that baseline principle that we need to follow in order to get ourselves out of this pandemic. i really just truly see this as sabotage, when these governors roll back restrictions or roll back mask mandates in particular. i don't have any other way to explain it. >> yeah, making masks the enemy is such a problem. and it's something that's been a year in the making now and it's so unfortunate. it's been unfortunate for a long time here. what is your concern about the
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growth of the different variants, particularly the b-117 variant. this is a variant seen primarily in the united kingdom, which is definitely more contagious, may be deadlier, and certainly growing in certain parts of the country. we'll speak to professor michael osterholm in a little bit who thinks that it could be up to 50% of the cases in the united states in a few weeks. what difference would that make here? >> so when we have these variant process live rating, what we know is that those variants are likely more transmissible, especially that uk variant. if you have a variant that's more transmissible, you have more people at risk of being infected, and if you have more people at risk of being infected, you can turn back the gains that we've experienced so far through the winter. and that's just not sensical. that's not rationale. not when we see rays of hope, not when we have vaccines starting to get administered and out to the public in numbers that we need to be able to
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sustain. we don't just need to give the virus a leg up. we're in a battle. i've written this, i've said this on many occasions. this is a battle that we all have to wage together and in the same direction. i want to pull up where the uk variants are by state. here's the ones where it is taking hold. florida has almost 600 cases, michigan 421, california, 212, georgia, 137, new york, 136. and we've heard from other experts that basically we should expect these numbers to grow exponentially. they're doubling, i think, every week. so -- but so are vaccines. they're not doubling every week, but we're doing better every day. so can we have hopes that the vaccines will outrun the variant? >> sure, we can have hope. but this is a race, right? we've got to get ahead of the variants and outpace them as quickly as we can, and that's
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why efforts that slow us or handicap us really don't make sense. we know that the vaccines do provide immunity and coverage against these variants. in certain cases, maybe the variants can evade the immunity somewhat, but we're going to be in the best position, if we can vaccinate as many people as possible. and i'll go back to the fact that that uk variant is anywhere from 35 to 45% more transmissible, meaning that it's easier for it to spread. so we cannot let up. >> so we are expecting new cdc guidance as soon as tomorrow on what people who have been vaccinated can do, recommendations for how they can live their lives, and our understanding now is that it won't be that different. it will say, you can have small gatherings at home with other people who have been vaccinated, but when you're out in public, wear masks. i'm not sure i have an issue with that so much. but i'm not sure it's going to have much guidance about how vaccinated grandparents can or should interact with unvaccinated grandchildren, for instance, which would be such a
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wonderful thing and so helpful. and also, look, it's what a lot of people are doing it for. people are going to get vaccinated so they can hug their grandchildren. can't the cdc give some kind of body language there that helps people understand what they can do? >> i think it can. and that's what dr. fauci and others have forecasted, is that the cdc will say, look, inside of your home, in very, very small gatherings, with one or two other people who have been fully vaccinated -- i want to help the public to understand, fully vaccinated for both the pfizer and the moderna vaccines are both doses plus two weeks, okay? fully vaccinated would be the one dose of the j&j and again the additional weeks for the body to build that very robust immune response. if you have persons who are all fully vaccinated, most likely, it will be safe to be in an enclosed, small gathering. but we really just have to do things with deliberate caution. we don't want to have happen what happened this summer,
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right? we start to see progress in different areas of the country. and as soon as we see that progress, we either relax our personal restrictions or we relax the restrictions at the level of a city or a state. and that just sabotages -- that turns around the rays of hope that we do see on the horizon. if we can just hold the line and wait through to the summer, at least, i could say, we're going to hopefully begin to see increasingly recommendations out of the cdc about what vaccinated folks can do. and i'm looking forward to it myself. i want to see my family. we haven't gathered through the holidays. we haven't gathered even in light of losing my dad. we're all patiently and eagerly awaiting that opportunity. >> dr. pernell, we love talking to you. thanks for coming back. thanks so much for being with us this morning. >> so new york governor andrew cuomo apologizing amid allegations of sexual harassment and unwanted advances. how the governor explains his behavior and his future, next. still your best friend. and now your co-pilot. still a father.
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i now understand that i acted in a way that made people
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feel uncomfortable. it was unintentional and i truly and deeply apologize for it. i never touched anyone inappropriately. i never knew at the time that i was making anyone feel uncomfortable. >> after days of silence, new york governor andrew cuomo rejecting calls to resign amid the growing scandal. joining us now, david chalian. also with us, chief political correspondent, dana bash. dana, our friend, chris cillizza points out what the governor is trying to do here is frame the discussion, frame the terms for his own salvation here. and you heard him say, i didn't touch anyone inappropriately. and i never knowingly said something to harass someone, basically. are those even the right measurements to grade this by?
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>> it's a really good question. and it's very astute. because that's exactly what the governor was trying to do. was trying to lean very far into his apology for saying things, if they offended people. you know, the big question is, what are those measurements, as you point out, john? and are the measurements what he and every other new york state employee is supposed to understand and abide by, based on the sexual harassment laws and guidelines in the workplace? or just workplace guidelines for how to act appropriately? my guess, and i haven't seen all of those guidelines. my guess is the things that the governor is accused of saying don't measure up to those guidelines. and then the bigger question is, what is this report going to say? gretchen carlson, who of course, basically started the me too
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movement with her allegations against roger ailes back at fox said that that report took two weeks. and then it was done. so the question is, how long is this ag report in new york going to take and, you know, the governor is suggesting that it could take a long time, but should it? you know, probably not, given the experience that we as a society have with these investigations. >> david chalian, did he do enough? >> well, he certainly did enough to prevent an avalanche of further calls from democratic officials in new york for his resignation. we've seen some of those calls, but didn't fully snowball. what he tried to do, i think, was sort of deal with the criticism that his initial written statement apology did not fly at all. so he tried to sort of double down on the apology piece. but as you're noting here, he's also just trying to buy time. by pleading with new yorkers to await the results of this
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investigation, he is now trying to take that as a point in time and say, no more adjudication about whether or not i should leave office or not, until we get the results of this investigation. and a lot of the new york democratic establishment, the office holders, seem to be willing to go along with that notion at this moment. now, the game will change entirely, political for the governor, if more allegations come out, but at this moment, he does seem to have bought himself that time. >> i rarely get to speak to two such astute guests. david, there's a discussion now, a very real political divide on voting rights and voting access. you have republican legislatures trying to limit the vote. you have the house of representatives passing new legislation, creating new rules or allowances for voting. and you have an argument before the supreme court where lawyers for arizona republicans gave up the game. listen to this. >> what's the interest of the arizona rnc here in keeping,
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saying, the ballot disqualification rules on the books? >> because it puts at a competitive disadvantage relative to democrats. politics is a zero-sum game. >> what are we seeing, david, and why is it important? >> that's it. the quiet part out loud. what we're seeing is a new litmus test inside the republican party, which is this support for what started as president trump's big lie around the 2020 election, and we see how dangerous it is for that kind of support, for the big lie, to move forward. now, it may not be that donald trump didn't win the election, but you see republicans calling into question the integrity of the election. and there were irregularities. mike pence now with that op-ed yesterday, saying there were significant irregularities. something that attorney general barr, fbi director wray, of the trump administration, the hand-picked folks there, tasked
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with enforcing the law say, that did not happen. this has become a new realm inside the republican party that if you want to advance politically, you can't sort of speak out against this notion that the election was rigged in some way or something was untoward, and it is exactly as you point out, john. exactly as the arizona lawyer pointed out. this is about getting applying advantage. if republicans believe if they limit the number of people and the kinds of people who can vote, that they will have a better shot at winning elections going forward. >> dana, i want to ask you what we're seeing on capitol hill today, in terms of the relief plan, president biden has made some compromises, lowering the threshold by which people will get the $1,400 stimulus checks, but we're already seeing republican action here. ron johnson has promised to do everything on earth he can to delay the passage of this, passage which looks inevitable. he's asking to have the whole thing read out loud and ask for
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amendments ad infinitum. why is he doing this if the outcome is inevitable? >> because he is a republican who believes that trying to stop joed at every turn will help him if he does, in fact, decide to run for re-election. he's up for re-election. he hasn't formerly said so yet. he's certainly making every move that suggests he will. and that is a -- is exhibit "a" of where we are in the reality of washington, as opposed to the aspiration that joe biden in particular came into office with. which is, you know, let's work across the aisle. let's change the tone and tenor. that may be possible on some pieces of legislation down the road. but it's certainly not where we are now. and the reality also is that a lot of the republicans, maybe not ron johnson, but others, actually, i think ron johnson did support the idea of direct
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payments to americans, to help to stimulate the economy, not to mention their own bank accounts. and other very important parts of this large bill. what they say they oppose are things that they say are akin to pork like money for the b.a.r.t. system, the rail system in san francisco and other things, but, you know, you don't see democrats shaving away at that for a lot of reasons. the biggest reason is because they don't think it would work. they see that this is politically beneficial for republicans to rail against the quote/unquote liberal agenda. and it's not going to change them on this particular issue. >> and by the way, tom cotton delaying the confirmation of merrick garland. why? to delay it. it's going to happen. it's really interesting to see a show. i mean, what we're seeing is just a pure show at this point. and it does beg the question, what are we ever going to get in terms of bipartisanship. dana bash and david chalian, thank you very much.
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developing this morning, the transportation department's inspector general asked for a criminal probe into then-secretary elaine chao late last year over concerns that she misused her office for personal benefit. but the justice department declined to pursue that case in the final weeks of the trump administration. cnn's kristen holmes is live for us in washington with more. what have you learned, kristen? >> reporter: this report came out last night and the inspector general concluded that these allegations of misuse of staff circled around tasks that appear to be personal in nature. that is the quote there. what does that mean? tasking staff with editing her father's wikipedia page, sending copies of his book to a, quote, well-known ceo of a major u.s. corporation. it also included sending christmas ornaments to family as well as allegedly directing staff to reach out to department of homeland security over the work permit of a student who was a recipient of her family's philanthropy. these are just some of the allegations. and it is important to note that investigators did not make any formal findings that chao had
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violated ethics rules. because of this and because of the fact they had asked the department of justice to open up a criminal probe and they did, this is what a spokesperson said. this report exonerates the secretary from baseless accusations and the closes the book on an election year effort to impugn her history making clear that the first asian american and her outstanding record as the longest tenured cabinet member since world war ii. she is also the wife of mitch mcconnell and mitch mcconnell's office declined to comment on this report. the head of the company that runs the power company in texas has been fired by the board of directors. in the wake, of course, of those catastrophic blackouts. last month on "new day," the ercot president and ceo, bill magnus, would not commit to resigning. then days later, the then-chairman of the border and four other board members
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today in georgia, the case against the former president for violating election law goes before a grand jury. cnn's sara murray with new reporting. >> reporter: the investigation into donald trump's efforts to overturn georgia's election results. >> there's no way we lost georgia. there's no way. >> reporter: intensifying as grand juries convene in fulton county today, offering the district attorney her first shot at seeking the subpoenas she warned were coming. >> what i was doing was a
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courtesy to people that i respect very much is simply putting them on notice that when a grand jury convened, which would be in march, that they could expect to receive subpoenas. >> reporter: at the heart of fani willis' investigation, the now-infamous call between trump and georgia's secretary of state, brad raffensperger. >> all i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> reporter: that call just the starting point for willis' probe. >> obviously, it's been reported around the world, that faphone call. so we have said, yes, that is part of the investigation, but we're not narrowing it to that. >> reporter: trump's reported call with raffensperger came after 18 other attempts by the white house to reach the secretary of state's office. which legal experts say could help establish trump's intentions. >> the repeated call is starting
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to tell the story that this was not, again, an official trying to talk to another official about problems that he or she might see in an election. it's more about, you know, how do i get to the place that i can win the race and what do we have to do about it. >> reporter: willis has already asked a number of georgia officials to preserve documents, though they are not targets. some had lawyered up before her inquires. she's also looking into rudy giuliani's false allegations of election fraud and a call between trump loyalist senator lindsey graham and raffensperger, which the secretary of state viewed as an attempt to toss out ballots. >> i categorically reject that. that wasn't my intent and that wasn't the purpose of the conversation to throw out ballots. >> reporter: a person familiar with the investigation says the d.a.'s office is likely to rely on subpoenas over voluntary requests for information to establish a clear court record of their pursuit of evidence. willis, the person said, is also unlikely to be deterred by broad
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claims of privilege the former president has tried to deploy in the past. willis was quick to launch her trump probe after taking office in january. >> my career has taught me, no matter the political pressure, just do what's right. >> reporter: as for when she'll decide whether to prosecute the former president, i'm in no rush, she tells the associated press. now, giuliani tells cnn he was just making the best case for his client, then president trump, and any potential case against him would be a travesty and would be vindictive. trump's team didn't comment for this story, but in the past, they said that there was nothing wrong with then-president trump's call in georgia. back to you, alisyn. >> sara murray, thank you very much. >> joining us now is cnn political analyst, maggie haberman, a washington correspondent for "the new york times." so, maggie, great to see you. in addition to everything that sarah just laid out, here are the criminal probes that are ongoing with donald trump. so there's the manhattan d.a. probe of his finances, the atlanta d.a. probe of the
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election schemes, the georgia secretary of state probe of that phone call, as sarah just said, the d.c. attorney general and d.c. u.s. attorney general, possible incitement of violence charge relating to the capitol insurrection and then there are also the civil suits. congressman thompson suing him. new york attorney general investigation into the trump organization. e. jean carol's defamation lawsuit regarding her rape charge and zervos' lawsuit. so which one of these do you think team trump is most concerned about? >> there's one missing there, actually, two, anyway, which are the suits, potential prosecutions related to the trump inaugural committee. and those are taking place in at least in two different venues. what worries them the most, look, it's still the one in manhattan from cy vance, who as we know spent a lot of time and recently succeeded in getting
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the former president 's tax returns, which were millions and millions of pages, which that office is going through. but that is one that goes at the heart of donald trump' business. in terms of the georgia probe. he has said it was a perfect phone call. we've heard him say that before about other things. his lawyers have been downplaying any potential probe, as to how concerned they are. the cy vance investigation remains the one they are most focused on. >> and there is new reporting that the "new york times" and "the washington post," maggie, about that investigation and a new focus, i don't know if it's new, on allen weisselberg. remind us who he is, where he exists in trump world, and why he might be such a valuable target for investigators. >> sure. so allen weisselberg, remember, is the longtime financial gatekeeper at the trump organization, worked for fred trump, donald trump's father, has been there for decades, you know, knows where every secret is buried financially and some not financial.
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and he was somebody who in the southern district of new york, when the federal prosecutors were going after michael cohen, former president trump's former personal attorney, weiselberg was given limited immunity in order to testify against cohen. he was not a target himself that we know of. he is not a target now, that we know of, but he is somebody who cy vance's office has zeroed in on as a focus, because they believe that if they could find evidence of wrong doing by him, they might be able to push him toward cooperation. i think it would have to go a very long way. one point to make in terms of allen weisselberg and how important he is in the world of donald trump, there was a discussion by the former president's advisers at various points last year about whether weiselberg should get a preemptive pardon from former president trump. now, ultimately, he didn't do that, because the concern was, would weisselberg be waiving his fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination and could be forced to testify if he accepted that pardon. so he didn't go ahead with it.
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but that really does tell you about what a key figure he is. >> tell us about this lawsuit from congressman bennie thompson, about the capitol insurrection. >> sure. i mean, this lawsuit relates specifically to the idea that the former president, if i understand it correctly, violated the rights, specifically, i believe, this is the one that was done in conjunction with the naacp. unless i'm wrong, but my memory that that's that -- basically, in their words, inciting this insurrection or helping to incite this insurrection, that the former president was essentially disn frandisen fran voters of color. and the goal ultimately on january 6th, what the former president wanted to have happen was delay the certification of the election. this suit is interesting because it is a civil suit, as you noted. this is not a criminal prosecution.
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but one of the things that former president donald trump was warned about by the white house counsel and by other advisers while he was still in office was, you could have some legal exposure here. as this was all going on on january 6th, as they were trying to get him to do something more to stop what was taking place, to appeal to his own supporters, which as you'll remember, it took a while for him to do and several takes for him to do, they were saying to him, you could have legal exposure here. this is among the actions that they had in mind when they said that. >> i'm not done with allen weisselberg yet. he received limited immunity having to do with the whole stormy daniels thing. and he did testify then. what would it take for him to turn? i mean, obviously, the implication here is that they're pressuring him to try to get him to flip somehow. and that's words that donald trump understands. >> or they will, at some point, if they haven't yet. that's the implication. >> so from what you know of allen weisselberg, what would it take to get him to all of a
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sudden turn on donald trump? >> i think a lot, john. i think it would take a lot -- a presentation of very serious charges. i think it would take a presentation of chashrges not jt against him, but against his sons, who they have also been asking at least one witness some questions about. the sons are also not targets of prosecution, that we're aware of. there's no reason to believe they are. but certainly in terms of pressure points, i think that's something that you could look at. remember, that when michael cohen eventually flipped, he had spent several months saying he wouldn't, he wouldn't, he wouldn't, and then he was told that prosecutors in the southern district were going to charge not just him, but his wife. that was the pressure point that was pushed. i think that it would be something similar. but again, i'm still not sure that allen weisselberg would do that. allen weisselberg has been with the trump organization for >> maggie haberman, thanks very much for that. >> thank you. roger stone is living his best life. i have video evidence of this.
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this is outside of cpac. he's a well-known rapper. well, he wants to be. you want to see it? ♪ ♪ patriots pulling up x knocking on the capitol ♪ >> the perfect future for him. >> it's all fun and games. this is a song about the insurrection. roger stone there is dancing to a song about the march at the u.s. capitol. here's a guy pardoned for his own crimes. this is a guy who may or may not be under investigation for his own alleged connection to the oath keepers. it's all a big joke. it's all a big joke for roger stone. so is the dancing, by the way. >> indeed. he has verbally condemned it, but your dance moves speak louder than what you've said. for the first time since hi capitol, the u.s. president is speaking out and honestly fueling the fire, fueling the
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former vice president mike pence has broken his silence in an op-ed about the election. and a new election law. his op-ed cries out for a "reality check" and john avlon is here to oblige. >> there's not a phrase in english for what former vp mike pence did yesterday. he emerged himself with an op-ed trying to curry favor with some of the same people who wanted to kill him at the capitol. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> i mean, this is more than a fool's errand or exercise in political mass kissm. listen to the first part of the first line. after an election marked by significant voting irregularities, i share the
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concerns of millions of americans about the integrity of the 2020 election. he's trying to dignify the big lie. the same one that almost got him killed. because, of course, there were not significant voting irregularities. you need more evidence than the 60 court cases team trump lost, listen to election officials nationwide or former ag bill barr, chris wray. pence knows a certain truth. why is he doing it? stockholm syndrome is when you start to identify with your captors. this is way worse. listen to him trying to meet the mob halfway. january 6th deprived the american people about a substantive conversation in congress about election integrity. the ex-veep wants to get in with that gang so we opposed a big election bill, hr-1. the measure which passed the house late last night includes
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automatic voter registration, independent restricting commissions, protect early voting, expand absentee voting and require backup paper ballots but also rein in conflicts of interest and stop members of congress from sitting on corporate boards to name just a few provisions. pence is defending election integrity and the falsehoods flowed from there. pence said the bill would ensure millions of illegal immigrants are quickly registered to vote. that's not true though it's fear monger. it does not change u.s. law. anyone register ed would have t provide proof of citizenship. voter i.t. would be banned from coast to coast. that's also not true. people who show up to vote without i.d. have to sign a statement under penalty of perjury. pence claimed the bill would force states to adopt universal mail-in ballots. nope. it would just allow all citizens to ask for no excuse absentee ballots just like trump did. now as cnn political analyst joe lockhart tweeted, when republicans say election
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integrity, they mean voter suppression. it's funny because it's true. there are more than 250 bills to restrict voting being pushed in 43 states right now. just this week, a lawyer for the arizona gop told the supreme court they were pushing for changes, quote, because it puts us in a competitive disadvantage relative to democrats. classic washington gaffe. accidentally telling the truth. here's a larger truth. mike pence is never, ever going to get people who bought into trump's big lie to back him for president. and that's your "reality check." >> i'll be committing that one to memory. thank you very much, john, for all of that. "new day" continues right now. capitol hill is on high alert as the fbi and department of homeland security are warning about increased chatter of another attack. >> there is a great deal of enhanced security around the capitol. >> these types of threats impede us from doing the work we have to do.
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>> the last thing we need is neanderthal thinking that everything is fine, take off your mask. >> it's been a year. people can make their own decision. >> i really do think that we are, as a state, being too lax, too quickly. >> this is inexplicable. you're only going to get yourself back. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning. welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." the u.s. capitol is on high alert. federal authorities bracing for the possibility of another attack after officials shared intelligence about a potential plot by a militia group. so the house of representatives has canceled their session today. the threat appears to be inspired by the qanon conspiracy that claims donald trump will somehow become reinaugurated today. the top republican on the house homeland security committee is pleading with former president trump to tell the mob to stay
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away. >> president trump has a responsibility to tell them to stand down. this threat is credible and it's real. it's a right wing militia group. >> so far, not a word from the former president. >> also curious, intriguing and disturbing testimony from the head of the d.c. national guard. it took three hours for him to receive approval for the guard to assist on january 6th. three hours. but honestly, there's even more than that. the defense department changed the rules on him for how and whether to deploy the day before the attack. >> the secretary of the army's january 5th letter to me withheld that authority for me to employ a quick reaction force. >> the defense department created new rules, new rules for a mob that was fully expected to be full of trump supporters. let's start, though, with the new threat today. where things stand. shimon prokupecz live outside the capitol. give us the latest. >>


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