tv CNN Tonight with Don Lemon CNN July 20, 2020 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
i am don lemon. 11:00 p.m. here on the east coast. as of tonight, nearly 141,000 americans have died from coronavirus. at least 31 states are seeing an increase in new cases. that's compared to just last week. and a top health official in the trump administration confirming that states across the sunbelt are being hit the hardest by the virus.
florida reporting more than 10,000 new cases, just today. at least 50 hospitals in florida have run out of icu space. in miami-dade county, which has been especially hard hit by coronavirus, icu capacity is now at 131%. while president trump is now encouraging americans to wear masks, after refusing to do so for months. the republican governor of maryland is taking a swipe at the administration tonight. governor larry hogan saying, there are growing indications that covid-19 funding is no longer a priority for the white house. and with november's election now less than four months away, president trump, doubling down, using race to appeal to his base. especially, when it comes to the confederate flag. will it work? we're going to talk about it in the hour ahead. joining me now is cnn white house correspondent john harwood. john, good evening to you. thank you so much. coronavirus cases are really spiking all over the u.s. but that's not why the president is changing his mind on masks and
task force briefings. give me the real reason. >> well, we know the real reason is because we've had two polls in the last five days or so that showed him down 15 points to joe biden. when you are an incumbent president seeking re-election, and you are getting hammered that badly, the only thing you can do is change course. he fired his campaign manager, a few days ago. and now, he is reinstituting the coronavirus briefings. and he tweeted out a picture of himself wearing a mask, and sort of/kind of embraced mask wearing as something that patriotic americans should do. he put it in the mouths of other people. said, many people say that that's what you should do. but i think you have to look at both those developments and say, what ever the motivation, and donald trump's motivation is always what's good for donald
trump, as opposed to other people, these are positive stpss forward in the effort to contain the coronavirus, to the extent that some people will take cues from the president and act accordingly. that's something every american can be grateful for. >> okay. so he -- you heard him, earlier, saying it's a great time slot and the ratings are through the roof and so on. >> right. >> you know, can we actually -- can -- can we expect to actually hear from medical experts at this briefing tomorrow? or will it be more lying and sugarcoating from the president? and this will just be about donald trump and re-election? >> well, i think it'll be both. i think donald trump, as he indicated, enjoys the showmanship, enjoys the time slot, enjoys the eyeballs looking at him. he may imagine that it's good for re-election. but of course, we know that his performance, since usually, if he talks for an extended period in front of a camera and gets
serious questions. the results don't make him look very good, as we saw with chris wallace over the weekend. and so, those briefings actually hurt his re-election chances and that's why they stopped doing them. nevertheless, they're going to start doing them. and i think that, because they're starting and because there is so much pressure from states around the country, including some republican politicians who have, typically, supported the president. i think there is going to be some expert testimony and expert discussion. deborah birx. tony fauci. robert redfield. people like that. don't know which of those, individually, will speak. but i do think they can't afford to start this and just have president trump get up there and deliver the nonsense about testing and case -- cases being harmless and all that, that he's been doing for several weeks. >> yeah. the sniffles. you know. let me ask you. you brought up the chris wallace interview. i got to ask. i don't know if you are hearing anything. are you hearing anything from the white house?
or do they actually think that was a good look for the president? because not so much. >> nobody thinks that was a good look for the president. he -- he -- his answers were often incoherent. he didn't always track the questild -- chris would ask him a question and he would repeat something back. say, well, you said this. well, that's not what chris said, actually. and calling on aides to provide information to refute chris, when there actually was no information to refute chris. it was -- it may have been somebody's idea of -- of how you turn the president around. put him out there on fox news with their most -- one of their most capable interviewers. but the results were not pretty for the president. >> no, not at all. and chris did a great job on that, i have to say. also, tonight, the president says that he'll -- he'll send federal law enforcement to cities run by liberal democrats. he claims this is about law and order. but david axelrod, who i talked
to just in the last hour, he thinks this is a 2020 version of his caravan or his wall. what do you think? >> i think david's exactly right. the president's clearly, in the case of portland, escalating, rather than deescalating the situation. this president imagines that he c can re-create the silent majority of 50 years ago, in the same way that richard nixon and conservatives did at that time. appeals to racism among whites. imagining that forceful putdowns of protests, billy clubs and tear gas are going to galvanize -- galvanize the silent majority. that is not the america we live in anymore. we ran that experiment, just out front of the white house some weeks ago, when the president sent federal troops or federal officers to rough up peaceful
protestors. move 'em out so the president could walk and wave a bible in front of a church. that was a signal event, in his political decline. that -- that was an event that damaged the president. nevertheless, he has a fantasy, in his mind, that this kind of old-school political formula is going to work for him. and there is no evidence, in the polling, to suggest that it will. >> john, i'm so glad that you bring up the caravan. remember that whole thing? the caravans are coming to get you. that was the promise of 2016 or whatever. that was a tactic in 2016. and then -- and then, the wall. hardly any of the wall has been built. it's just been dilapidated wall that they are replacing. but i'm glad you reminded our viewers of the caravan and the wall. thank you. that mexico was supposed to pay for, by the way. thank you, john. i appreciate it. i'll see you soon. >> exactly. >> i want to bring in now andy slavitt. he is the former acting
administrator at the centers for medicare and medicaid services. andy, good evening to you. some republicans pushing back on the white house proposal to cut out funding for coronavirus testing and tracing. why would anyone support this plan? >> well, it's crazy. i think, you know, just -- just to recap what's going on. there -- we are now testing a -- only a fraction. the cdc estimates, maybe, about 10% of the people that have cases. that means that it's growing by asymptomatic spreaders, all over the country. and until that's under control, we can't stop anything. so, the congress is proposing, and the house passed a bill asking, that we pass measures to give more testing capability, the ability to do contact tracing. and the president has said that he doesn't want any money for that. i think he thinks it's going to make him look bad. and i think he feels america to
turn another direction, i'm not sure which direction it would be. and sitting on a problem with their hands saying this is going to lead to more death. >> we're learning that test results are lagging by up to two weeks, in some cases, andy. how is testing still a problem, this many months into this pandemic? >> well, the original sin, in this case, not to take a phrase that belongs somewhere else, of course, is that you have a white house who decided not to accept responsibility. and the white house, essentially, said, from the beginning, that it was the states that were going to have to take care of testing. and that's because the president and the white house knew they were going to run out of supplies. the whole swab and reagents. so, here, we sit in july with the exact same problem we had in march, which is we don't have enough ppe for people in hospitals, and we don't have the ability to test because they haven't taken accountability. so this is just what i mean. we're going to have less
visibility. we are going to lose more people. things are going to spread out of control, and of course the economy won't be able to pick back up again. >> it didn't have to be this way. the president tweeting about masks. that's encouraging. but you say, you know, so much for -- so much more, i should say, is needed than just tweeting about a mask and that he wore at a hospital, by the way. which was, we are told, that they created, you know, a space for him to have to wear this mask. >> it's been a negotiation with his staff. i talked to a staffer today that persuaded him to make that tweet. and my comment to him was you got one day in a row. and he laughed because, the truth is, that, you know, you can kind of, on a bad moment, persuade the president to do something against his judgment because he thinks it's good for him or you convince him. and then, he does it in kind of a way that sort of demeans it as he does it, by saying some
people say. and then, you see the next day, he'll run the other direction. i think that's exactly what happened when they put out a plan on how to reopen the country. and the next day, the president tweeted liberate michigan, liberate minnesota. >> yeah. let's talk about these early results from the oxford vaccine. it shows both safe and induced as an immune response. induced immune response. reduced, i should say, immune response. what does this mean for the race to find a coronavirus vaccine? >> well, i talked to a number of people who have seen the data. both, that data and the moderna data. and, indeed, you know, creating a response is what you want to see. now, what we don't know is how long will that response last? and we don't know if that response will reduce the severity of coronavirus or eliminate it, entirely. nevertheless, it's good news. but i think we should treat it as part of a coming arsenal of
things, including convalescent plasma. including vaccines. that -- that will be here and get, i think, to the u.s., probably, sometime in 2021. but certainly, our scientists are to be applauded for the job that they have done already. and so, you know, it's going to be two steps forward, one step back. i think we shoushouldn't get to excited. >> i want to make sure it's clear that it's safe and it induced an immune response. you understood what i was saying, right? thank you, andy. i appreciate it. thank you so much. now, i want to go to nick watt with the latest on the dire situation in florida. >> reporter: in florida, the governor was heckled today. florida's average death toll doubled these past two weeks. monique hicks lost two of her children to covid-19. brian francis and makayla in the space of 11 days.
>> i honestly can't say where they got this virus from because they basically was home. i mean, the only thing we say we went to orlando for a vacation. and, all of a sudden, they came home sick. wear your mask. if you don't have to come out, stay home. >> but the governor still won't mandate masks. so, in miami, the city will fine those with uncovered faces. >> bizarre that we have turned mask wearing into something political. imagine you were an alien coming to the planet earth. you would be totally astounded, puzzled, amazed. you'd wonder, what is going on here? >> reporter: nationally, we are now seeing three times the number of new cases, every day. compared to mid-june. and nearly 60,000 americans are, right now, hospitalized with covid-19. getting close to the grim record set back in april. >> there is no question that we're having a surge right now. it really is all hands on deck. this is serious. but we know how to stop this.
>> reporter: and in this graph, there might be some optimism. average new case counts are flattening, just a little, in our hotspots. california. arizona. florida. and texas. let's hope that holds. a possible reason? >> since the mask order went into place, i have seen more people in my community who are wearing masks, who are doing more social distancing. i think some of these individual behavior changes are driving some of the improvement that we're seeing. >> reporter: as new york city moves into phase four opening today, governor andrew cuomo has a message aimed at young partygoers. >> i'm telling you, in plain, new york speak, as a born and bred new yorker, it's stupid what you're doing. it is stupid. don't be stupid. what they're doing is stupid. and reckless. for themselves and for other people. and it has to stop. >> and he has a message for police departments. make people wear masks. >> they have to enforce the law. that is the only line between
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florida teachers suing to overturn governor ron desantis' emergency order forcing schools in that state to reopen. that, as we learn more about what role kids play in the spread of the coronavirus. let's discuss now from former harvard medical school professor william haseltine. he is the author of a new ebook, it's called a family guide to covid. and it is much needed. so, doctor -- professor, i should say, thank you so much
for joining. you talk in the ebook about how virus transmits in children. the virus transmits in children. now, researchers in south korea have found that children between the ages of 10 and 19 can transmit the virus, just as much as adults. and that children 9 and under transmit the virus at a lower rate. what does that mean, though, for reopening schools? >> well, i think that every parent knows about cold viruses. and this is a cold virus, with a very bad habit. we know, if you send your kids to school, they come back with colds. and they give those colds to you. that's exactly what happens with this virus, too. and what the korean study shows is, yes, kids 9 to 19 spread the virus, like adults. but kids a little bit younger don't spread it so rapidly. but the catch there is they have three times as many contacts.
as the older people. so it averages out. the spread, about the same. and as you've heard, earlier in your program today, and we read across the country, young children are getting severely ill and, unfortunately, some are dying. >> i want to play this for you. this is missouri's governor, what he said today about the kids going back to school. watch this. >> these kids have got to get back to school. they're at the lowest risk possible. and if they do get covid-19, which they will, and they will when they go to school, they're not going to the hospitals. they're not going to have to set in doctors offices, they're going to go home and they're going to get over it. >> what -- what do you think of that? i mean, is that -- is that message dangerous? >> i think he should talk to the mother who just lost her children. i have friends, whose son barely -- grandson barely made it. just barely made it. they rushed him to the hospital. he needed six people to attend him, to get him back alive.
and he was in the hospital for weeks, and he will have heart damage for the rest of his life. this is not a joke. >> so let me say there's a very thorough study that everybody should take a look at. our national academy of sciences, which includes medicine and science and engineering, put out a detailed report on the question of should kids go back to school? and i have to say, the most unsettling part of that is it admits, outright, we don't know the answers. and, therefore, if you don't know the answers, you don't proceed blindly. there's something else i'd like to say that i talk about in the book a lot. and that is, a hierarchy of risk. people, when they're considering to send their kids back to school should think, first of all, what is the risk? how many people around me are infected? you can find that out, by looking at your zip code or your county. how many people are there? if it's more than one or two per
zip code, you could be in trouble. the second thing is do i have a risk? am i sick? is my kid sick? does he have diabetes? does he have asthma? or does anybody in my family have that that's a higher risk? then, you start to look at the schools. and i can tell you that there is no guidance, and the national academy report says the same thing, there is no federal guidance. there's some very vague rules and some very vague questions. and it's driving teachers and parents completely nuts. they don't know. we have some answers in our book. and i'm writing a new book on the topic about how you decide what to do for your kids in school. for both your k through 6 and your k through 12, which are two different kinds of problems. but it's a huge problem. and i think this is going to be the tipping point where people don't think, mostly, about politics. they think about their kids. is this world safe for my kid?
and who has made it safe? and who has made it more dangerous? >> professor, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. protests by professional athletes against racial injustice spreading tonight. several players and coaches for the san francisco giants, including their new manager, gabe cappler, taking a knee before the game tonight. he had spoken out about racial issues and athletes' role in sparking change. president trump doubling down on divisive rhetoric, stirring up culture wars as the election nears. but is he stereotyping his own supporters? (upbeat music) - [narrator] this is kate. she always wanted her smile to shine. now, she uses a capful of therabreath healthy smile oral rinse
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need to report some breaking news to you right now. president trump's former attorney, michael cohen, is suing attorney general bill barr. cohen is alleging that barr sent him back to prison as retaliation for a tell-all book he is writing about his years as trump's fixer. cohen calls it a violation of his free-speech right, and he is seeking his immediate release from prison. president's former attorney, michael cohen, suing attorney general bill barr over free speech, according to cohen, about a book that he is writing. we'll continue to follow that story and give you i am dates, updates. fou, i want to turn to the 2020 presidential election. less than four months away, can you believe it? president doubling down on a tactic that's worked so har for him and that is divisive and
racist rhetoric to appeal to his base. southern voters, who he claims, love their confederate flag. >> when people proudly have their confederate flags, they're not talk about racism. they like the south. people right now like the south. i say it's freedom of -- of many things but it's freedom of speech. >> so let's discuss now. liam donovan is a republican strategi strategist and former senate committee aide. former mayor of new orleans. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining. so, mayor landrieu, i am going to start with you. people, right now, like the south, he says. you know, what does the south mean to this president? >> well, the president has a misunderstanding of the south.
people from the south are patriotic. we can certainly tell the difference between people who are trying to rip the united states of america apart and those who are not. i'm a white guy. i am from the south. and i don't remember the confederacy well at all. and i don't think that represents who we are, in the south. what he is doing is, again, trying to recapture the strategy that was implemented by president nixon. there is a long, sordid history about it. but i think people in america can see through this really, really clearly. i don't think they are going to buy it this time. i think people understand what the confederacy was about. and this isn't about the first amend: this is about what america is, what we trust, what we believe in, and what we think is good for the country. >> listen. it's your personal business. you want to fly an american flag -- american -- a confederate flag at your home, that's your business, right? that's your own personal business. the difference is people saying it shouldn't be up front in businesses and federal buildings and that's the difference, right? >> well, there is a clear
difference. i mean, everyone's got a first amendment right to say what they want, when they want, so long as the reach of the fist doesn't meet my nose, in terms of your personal behavior. but in terms of the government putting monuments on public property, in reverence of the confederacy, that's a completely different story. or having the names of army or marine or navy bases named after con f confederate soldiers who sought to destroy the country. we know who he is. the question is who are we and that's what this election is going to be about. >> liam, i want to bring you in now because you are quoted in a "new york times" article titled trump promotes caricature of what conservatives want. here's what you said. trump's intimate connection with the base is one of shared grievance. but when it comes to what they are for, it inevitably comes off like a cartoon version of what a new york billionaire would think conservatives believe. are you saying that he is
stereotyping his own base, liam? >> well, i think when he makes these sorts of comments, whether it's about the confederate flag, whether it's about how we should treat, you know abortions. he says things that are insincere and tone deaf. he doesn't have any sense of nuance and just comes in there with these hand fisted lines that don't connect in the same way it does when he is throwing haymakers at enemies that republicans share. so i think that's when he is on shakier ground and it's showing in an environment like this, where you need more than just harnessing anger because people are scared. they're concerned about their jobs, they're concerned about their health and their safety. so i think this is something that worked in 2016, in a time of relative peace and prosperity against someone who could project all these negative feelings. i think it's a lot harder in this environment, where the fundamentals are turned upside down. we are in a profound state of disruption, and he is running against somebody who is a relatively, you know, sort of vanilla figure that's much harder to turn into a
supervillain. >> mayor, from the start, trump has uttered some of the most blatantly racist sentiments. listen to this. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> and you had some very bad people in that group. but you, also, had people that were very fine people, on both sides. >> why do you keep calling this the chinese virus? there are reports of dozens of incidents of bias against chinese-americans in this country. >> because it comes from china. it's not racist, at all. >> why are african-americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement in this country? >> and so are white people. so are white people. what a terrible question to ask. so are white people. more white people, by the way. more white people. >> so, listen. people think it's a strategy. i mean, couldn't -- isn't it the
president is just really racist? >> i think that there's no question that he is. and this is really simple. this is not hard. when you judge people, not based on their behavior, individual behavior, but you judge them based on the color of their skin. you judge them based on their religion. you make broad characterizations of them because of immutable characteristics, that is the very essence of racism. it all comes from the fruit of the same poisonous tree, hatred. people know that. americans are not foolish. notwithstanding this difficult time we're in, i have faith in the american people that, when called into this moment, they're going to do what they have been called to do. we have had some sordid events in our history based on race. and it really is, it's troubling to have that amount of vitriol coming from the most powerful person in the world. and it's clear that president trump has used the power of the presidency to divide us and that's not what the power is supposed to be used for. and i think the people of america are going to turn away from that. i don't think they're going to be susceptible to it.
although, there are certain elements of our community that are susceptible to it but i don't think it's going to work this time. >> liam, listen. i am up against the wall because i had the breaking news here but, quickly, what is he going to have to do to turn these poll numbers around? quit doing things like he is doing now? >> i think the approach of just trying to tweet law and order and, you know, beat joe biden up as -- as the second coming of -- of, you know, the sort of arch leftist is just not convincing. i think he needs to stand up and try to convince people that he is serious about getting this virus under control, keeping them safe, and trying to turn things back around for this country. >> thank you, liam. thank you mar, mayor. appreciate it. so president trump is threatening to send law enforcement to cities with democratic leadership, including chicago. is it abuse of power? james clapper. he is going to weigh in next. around the world, 5 billion people lack access to safe surgery.
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president trump addressing the deployment of federal forces to portland. and saying more could be on the way. >> we're looking at chicago, too. we're looking at new york. look at what's going on. all run by democrats. this is worse than afghanistan, by far. this is worse than anything anyone's ever seen. >> chicago's mayor lori lightfoot responding tonight on twitter, mr. president or not, i don't care one bit what your name is. i will not allow troops in chicago, and i will do everything in my power to stop you. let's join -- let's talk to cnn national security analyst, james
clapper, former director of national intelligence. director, thank you for coming on this discuss this topic. it's very important. it appears that president trump may already be ramping up this -- this campaign. cnn is reporting that dhs is preparing to send 150 agents to chicago for up to 60 days. and this new deployment really has you worried about what's happening in america, doesn't it? >> it, absolutely, does, don. i think this is scary. it's chilling. and, you know, i watched the earlier segment when you interviewed mayor wheeler of portland. and some of the images there kind of reminded me of john lewis. you know, great icon that we just lost. and his struggle on the bridge in selma. i read a "new york times" report tonight about united states naval academy commissioned officer graduate, who had previously kind of ignored the demonstrations.
but saw fit to show up because he was so concerned about it. confronted one of the toy soldiers and said -- asked him about his compliance with the constitution. and the response was, he got struck in his right hand with a baton, which broke it, and got pepper sprayed. this is the sort of thing that goes on in banana republics or, you know, hitler's ss or something. i mean, this is really scary. and the nightmare scenario that concerns me is if, let's just for the sake of discussion, not that i am suggesting it or know that it's going to happen. suppose governor pritzger decide to call out the national guard, his own illinois national guard, to protect the citizens of chicago against these federal. this is, i guess, the
president's own version of martial law since the real military has kind of pushed back from doing that. so to me, it's a great concern. >> when you talk about third wor -- countries, and you mention hitler tactics. you meant the tactics, not the beliefs, right? >> yes, that's what i am talking about. this is just not supposed to happen in this country. and you know, you think about the legacy of john lewis and what he was striving for. and here we are, in 2020, and we haven't got there, yet. >> yeah. listen. some of the tactics that we are seeing from federal forces in portland. i mean, quite honestly, they are brutally violent. look at this. we're also seeing protestors snatched up by unidentified officers. and keep in mind that this is all being done, on american soil, to people exercising their right to protest. and this administration is saying let's do more of this. in more places. as you said, this isn't supposed to happen in america. but they're saying let's do more, in more places.
>> well, yeah. but it's only going to be in democratic-controlled places. you know, we're not going to interfere with any of the incompetent republican governors, who are mismanaging the response to the pandemic. that's okay. we've lost, needlessly, thousands of lives. but in this case, once again, play to the base. and -- and use these extraordinary tactics. and, to me, it's just -- just speaking as a private citizen, it's -- it's of great concern. >> yeah. hey, listen. the -- the incident that you mentioned earlier, director of the man wearing the navy shirt. let's -- we have it. then, we can discuss. let's play it. [ bleep ].
>> yeah. wow. i mean, when you look at that, are these federal officers abusing their oaths of office? >> well, i certainly believe they are. and i, also, think this reflects that these people have not been trained for this kind of a mission. they're dressing up like soldiers, but they're not behaving that way. and in my view, they are violating their oath when they behave like that. i think it's absolutely reprehensible. >> director, thank you so much. i'll see you soon. >> thanks, don. >> thank you. oregon's attorney general suing several federal agencies over the actions taken against protestors in portland. she joins me next. like you, my hands are everything to me. but i was diagnosed with dupuytren's contracture. and it got to the point where things i took for granted got tougher to do. thought surgery was my only option. turns out i was wrong.
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and their families. wishes change lives. - [narrator] call the number on your screen, or visit wish.org to grant wishes today. federal forces continuing to respond to extreme violence. president trump says they are trying to help and not hurt it. the attorney general of the state of oregon. thank you, attorney general. i appreciate you joining. you say that the president is getting bad intelligence if he thinks the presence of federal officers isn't making things worse in portland. >> correct. you know, not every american needs to be concerned about what's happening here in portland. as it's already been noted, we're not the first city where this is going to happen. by bringing these troops into
portland and that's basically what they are, they are untrained troops. they don't know how to de-escalate tense situations and we certainly have had some of that over the past couple of months. instead they are escalating the problems here and whatever intelligence the president is getting, it's just absolutely wrong. he needs to take these guys out of here. send them back home. don't send them anywhere else. this is all a political ploy doing harm to the people of my state and our city. >> attorney general, you actually filed a lawsuit against dhs, the marshall service, cbp and the federal protection service. >> right. >> you say they violate the actions. explain why you felt this was necessary. >> they're violating the united states constitution. the constitution has not been suspended for federal agents nor
anyone else. this is a prior restraight on our peaceful protestor's ability to get out at night and to protest. police brutality, to protest racial injustice. they're violating the fourth and fifth amendment of the the people of oregon are being harmed. i'm the attorney general and it's my job as the top legal officer of the state to ensure the safety and also the legal rights of our citizens but also to send a message to mr. trump and to these federal agencies that they need to stop thinking that they can come and do good here when in fact what they're doing is not only violating the constitution by these acts of jumping out of vehicles, unmarked rental vans and grabbing people off the streets, they're causing physical harm. you just showed a video. that particular gentleman in
that case has now been included in a criminal investigation that has opened here in oregon. >> yeah. in your suit you specifically mention an instance when an unidentified parole officer arrested an individual and whisked him away in an unmarked van. is lack of transparency part of the reason you think there's such a problem? >> well, certainly a problem in that these federal agents haven't even indicated who they are and here in oregon you have some issues with some right wing folks that come dressed similar to what these agents look like so mr. pettybone didn't even know who they were, that's the gentleman you were referring to. his beanie was pulled over his face and then he was released an hour or two later after asserting his rights. >> are there any other legal
options that you have to get them out of the state? >> well, of course our governor and our portland mayor have tried to do that. they asked them to leave politely, firmly, and they have simply refused to leave. so i would say our lawsuit is not abouti forcing them to leav the state, it's forcing them to comply with the constitution. we are going to bring them to account by investigating them criminally to see whether the actions they're taking by striking an individual so hard with a projectile has had surgery, brain bleed, reconstructive faceal surgery. this is not a situation where federal agents are coming in to help. they are harming, escalating and apparently they're untrained according to a memo that has
been received by the homeland security head but apparently he's denying it so i haven't seen it myself. apparently these agents have not received any training that you would need to have in order to come into a situation like portland and do good. >> attorney general, thank you for your time. unfortunately we are out of time. come back and update us. >> thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues.