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icus in miami-dade county are at 122% capacity. the ventilator use is up 64% in the past two weeks. this comes as the cdc makes a dire prediction that by august 8th, at least 157,000 americans will have lost their fight against coronavirus. that's another 18,000 deaths in just three weeks from now. an unpublished document prepared by the white house coronavirus task force and obtained by a non-profit watchdog recommends 18 states should roll back reopening measures. these states are all considered in a red zone reporting a concerning level of new cases and test positivity rates. the report stands in protest to the press's approach pushing to push states to reopen regardless of the spike in nationwide cases. dr. shatner and dr. wallenski
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join us. first these troubling numbers out of florida's miami-dade county. icus at 122% capacity, when you hear that, what is your reaction? >> good afternoon, ana. sadly, i'm not surprised. we saw numbers going up in florida about a week, two, three weeks ago. we know that the number that come to the hospital is about a week after symptoms start. then a week after that is when the icus start getting full. we could have anticipated this. we did anticipate this. and what i think is most conc n concerning is that the numbers still keep rising, at a preopinion to us incline and that where we are right now is actually going to be better than where we anticipate we will be in the weeks ahead. >> dr. shafter, the florida governor refused to do a mask mandate, is defending his decision to keep gyms open.
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listen. >> that's not something that i am going to close. partially because if you look, you talk to any physician, particularly the people that are under 50, if you are in good shape, you know, you have a very, very low likelihood of ending up in significant condition as a result of the coronavirus. so i think taking that option away for people to be healthy just doesn't make sense. >> dr. shafter, what does the science say? >> i think the governor is misinformed, anna i'm afraid. doing biceps curls doesn't ward off the virus. the covid virus doesn't care. it loves the congested or congregate environment of a gym or any congregate circumstance. and it enjoys spreading in that circumstance. we clearly need to close down some of these congregate environments. and everyone in the united states should leave their front door wearing a mask.
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>> dr. wallenski, this week we saw major retailers, walmart, cvs, home depot, growing e pup likz, i could go on and on announcing mask mandates for their stores nationwide. essentially we have retailers setting a u.s. standard not the u.s. government. what is your reaction to that? >> this is a question about leadership. we haven't seen leadership at the federal level. i commend these businesses for taking the leadership required to do the right thing, to make sure people, employees, patrons stay healthy. one more comment about leadership. that is the loss of a true lead e representative lewis yesterday. i just want to say how sad we were. he's celebrated as a civil rights activist, but his biggest health policy fight was against
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hiv. we in the infectious disease community stand with you in sorrow. >> dr. shafter, let's talk about testing when it comes the coronavirus. admiral brett gerard said this week repeat coronavirus tests just aren't necessary. he says if it has been ten days since the onset of your systems and three days asymptomatic you are no longer contagious and you don't need to be retested. do you agree? >> yes, i do agree. i think the cdc is making those recommendations and i think the infectious disease community is coming around to that. so that's a little bit of pressure that we can take off the testing circumstances, which are still not extensive enough. and it reduces some of the confusion. because after ten days, there is ten jal consensus now, you are no longer infectious. if you happen to get a test after that time and you are positive, that's just detect fragments of the virus. the virus is no longer
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infectious. you are not contagious to anyone else after that time. >> dr. wallenski, there continues to be problems with testing and these massive delays in getting results. in some cases over two weeks. why is this still such an issue? >> well, we had some major hiccups on testing to start and we have never caught up. not only have we not caught up. but we have had this explosion of cases because of the irresponsible way that we have opened up. some estimates are that we have -- we should be testing about 4.3 million people a day to be on top of this. we are now at about 800,000 tests per day. so fivefold less than where we need to be. and really concerning is that with these two-week delays what we should anticipate is that the numbers of today are not full rely reflective of all the tests still pending. >> dr. shafter, as recently as yesterday dr. fauci expressed
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optimism about having an effective vaccine by the end of the yearer early next year. meantime, scientists are now calling for a coronavirus vaccine human challenge trials. what are human challenge trials? is there a benefit to go this route? >> human challenge trials are conducted in the following way. people are infected -- excuse me. people are given the vaccine, and then actually challenged, given the actual covid virus, to see whether the vaccine will repulse, will protect the individual who has received the vaccine. giving actually the virus to someone is the challenge. and that's very challenging ethical ethically. people are on two sides of that question. personally, i'm a bit cautious about that. >> what do you think, dr. wallenski? >> yeah, i mean, this is a
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real -- this is a real difficult question. you know, on the one hand, you would give it to people who are generally healthy who you hope would do well if they become infected. but we do know that there is still a .5% mortality rate if you were to become infected. so this is people who would really be putting themselves at substantial risk if they were to engage in that. i, too, would be super cautious about this approach. >> do you share dr. fauci's optimism about a vaccine by the end of the year or early next year, that very, very tight time line? >> i -- >> there -- there are -- >> go ahead dr. wallenski, and then i will end on dr. shafter. you can go ahead, dr. wallenski. >> perfect. one of the most important thing that you need in a vaccine trial is disease out there. we thought maybe we would have this under control and we would
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have less disease out there. in fact, that's not the case. so we will have quite a few places where vaccine trilals ca go on and we'll have outcomes. there have been numerous candidates, three or four trials that should be up and running before the end of september. so i'm hopeful we will have one of those four at least that will she positive effect. >> final thought dr. shafter? >> i hope that dr. wallenski also, and i think dr. fauci was being a little optimistic. but the sooner the better. and we want an effective and a safe vaccine. that would help a lot. >> no kidding. thank you both very much. we appreciate you. we will have much more on the pandemic coming up we are also going to pay tribute to the legend that was congressman john lewis. he passed away last night after
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spending a lifetime fighting for equality paving the way for the first african-american president. up next we will talk with someone who knew him and his relationship with president obama. - [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction with spray mopping to lock away debris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad.
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today is a sad day. a titan of the civil rights movement a hero of american history, and the conscience of the u.s. congress is gone. longtime georgia congressman john lewis died last night of pancreatic cancer, a disease he fought with the same courage and strength he used to battle racial injustice his entire life, from the fear fatal beating he endured leading one of the most famous marches in american history across the edmund pettus bridge in alabama on bloody sunday. to this year when he defiantly returned to that same bridge, even while he was battling
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cancer. >> we were beaten. we were teargassed. i thought i was going to die on this bridge. somehow and some way, lord almighty helped me here. we cannot give up now. we cannot give in. we just keep the faith. keep our eyes on the prize. >> you are about to see just how one determined man, one tireless leader grew from the son of a share cropper to someone who dedicated his life to something america is struggling for still today. simple human respect, dignity, and equal rights for everyone. here's cnn's martin savidge. >> reporter: throughout hess life, john lewis stood for people's rights. born an an alabama cot oon farm into a segregated america he would not only live the see an african-american elected president. he would be a major part of making it happen. >> tonight -- tonight we gather
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here in this magnificent state because we still have a dream. we still have a dream. >> reporter: lewis, growing up, was angered by the unfairness of the jim crow south. he credited martin luther king jr. for inspiring him to join the civil rights movement. eventually lewis would become one of its most prominent leaders. as a student he organized sit-ins at lunch counters. ♪ >> reporter: in the early '60s, he was a freedom rider, challenging segregation at interstate bus terminals across the south. the embodiment of non-violence, he frequently suffered beatings by angry mobs. lewis, 23 years old at the time was the youngest speaker at the 1963 march on washington. >> we do not want our freedom gradual. but we want to be free now. >> reporter: then, two years later led a march for voting
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rights in the south. ♪ go tell it on the mountain >> reporter: on the edmund pettus bridge he and other marchers were met by heavily armed police. they were set upon and beaten. lewis suffered a fractured skull. it would be forever remembered as bloody sunday. the images of brutality shocked the nation, galvanizing support for the voting rights law signed by lyndon johnson. lewis stood up for what he believed was right. he was arrested more than 40 times by police, according to his congressional office. >> i'm on my way. and we are going to win this race. >> reporter: he was elected to city council in atlanta, then to congress in washington, representing georgia's fifth district. fighting against poverty and for health care while working to help younger generations by improving education. he reached out to young people in other ways writing a series
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of graphic novels about the civil rights movement winning him a national book award. in the life of so many moments and great achievements, it was the achievement of another in 2008 that perhaps meant the most. the election of president barack obama. >> we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states. we are and always will be the united states of america. >> reporter: a dream lewis admits was too impossible to consider decades before even as he fought to forge its foundation. >> this is a unbelievable period in our history. martin luther king jr. would be very pleased to see what is happening in america. this is a long way from the march on washington. it is a great distance from marching across that bridge in selma in 1965 for the right to vote. >> reporter: in 2011, after more
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than 50 years on the front lines of civil rights, lewis received the presidential medal of freedom placed around his neck by america's first black president. lewis wasn't content in just making history. he was also dedicated to preserving it. consider the impetus of the smithsonian's national museum of african-american history and culture. and he never stopped stirring up good troubles a he liked the call it. boycotting the inauguration of george w. bush after the contested election and vocally protesting donald trump's election in 2016 citing intervention by a foreign entity. and he riled up the crowds with words he lived by as an activist, as lawmaker, as a leader. >> we must never ever give up. we must be brave, bold, and courageous.
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>> he was the epitome of that. with us now is former senior adviser to president obama and cnn political commentator david axelrod david. i know you knew john lewis personally. you have interviewed him. what did he mean to this country? >> john lewis was an american hero. i did set down with him for my x files show on cnn. what was so striking in that conversation was the courage he showed at such a young age. he exposed himself to potential injury and death, you know, as a man in his early 20s leading, you know, protests against segregation of lunch counters and bus stations and hotels and so on. and of course bloody sunday looms large in that. but you know, john lewis put himself on the line from a very early age, and yet he never lost his sense that the future could
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be better. he never lost his sense that justice was within reach and was -- you know, he was such an inspiring figure. he wasn't the conventional politician. he was a moral leader in politics. >> here's part what have the congressman said on president obama's inauguration day, as we witness the nation's first african-american president take office. >> when i first came to washington, d.c., the first time, in may of 1961 to go on the freedom ride, blacks and whites couldn't board a greyhound bus and sit together and travel from virng through south carolina, north carolina, alabama, mississippi, into new orleans without the possibility of being arrested jailed and beaten. we were jailed. >> we were beaten. we were put in a state penitentiary. people couldn't register to vote when we came back here in 1963
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for the march on washington. i was here when dr. martin luther king jr. said i have a dream today. a dream dooply rooted this the american dream. and to come back here 45 years later, it is almost too much. >> "the new yorker" reported that as obama left his swearing in, lewis approached him with a sheet of paper and asked the new president, the first black president to sign it. and he did. he wrote, because of you, john, barack obama. >> yes. >> president obama went on to award john lewis the presidential medal of treatment in 2011. tell bus the bond between these two men. >> president obama had a huge appreciation for the leaders of the civil rights movement and informed a lot of his choices in life and he understood that he stood on the shoulders of these heroes, including john lewis. john lewis talks about voting rights in that clip you played. but it was because he almost died on that edmund pettus
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bridge that the voting rights act was passed in 1965. he and others he was leading. and president obama was very, very aware of that -- of that history. i recall, ana, one segment in that discussion i had with him, which was at the civil rights museum in atlanta. and that was a replica of a lunch counter. and you could put headphones on and hear the abuse and the threats that people would take, african-americans sitting at lunch counters. he put those headphones on, and he wept recalling the experiences that he had. president obama was very aware of the sacrifices that john lewis and others had made that made it possible for him to be there. and that night that he accepted the nomination in 1968 in mar tips -- martin's piece, it was
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on the 45th an verse of the march on washington and the each on the steps at the lincoln memorial in which a young john lewis spoke and exor theed america to live up to its creed. john lewis was -- there was a direct link between the leadership of john lewis and the image of john lewis and the fact we were able to elect an african-american president in this country. work's not done. we know that. we have experienced that lately. and his voice will be missed. but his example will live on. >> and you know, we have had in outpouring of honorings today from people all across the country. president trump has ordered flags to fly at half staff for the rest of today in honor of the congressman's life and legacy. and he put out a tweet just a couple of hours ago. his first comments on the death of john lewis, writing, saddened to hear the news of civil rights
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john lewis's passing. melania and i send our prayers to he and his family. he was the last living president or former president to offer a personal statement. what are your thoughts on that. >> well, you know, i am not surprised. john lewis was very much a critic of president trump. and president trump's appeal to white supremacy and defense of the confederate flag and so on. so i'm not surprised by that. but it would do the president well to think a little bit about the example of john lewis, the grace and the dignity, and the aspirations that he had for a united states of america in which every citizen is treated equally. people want the president of the united states to embrace those ideals, not appeal to division. and you know, i don't expect that that will happen. but i think there are many, many people john lewis touched in his life. and as i said earlier, his
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example will inspire people to move forward. the last public statement that he made was on a newscast interview where he talked about how inspired he was by the people who took to the streets after the murder of george floyd in minneapolis. so there is a new generation who have taken up the torch for john lewis and others who fought for non-violent -- in a non-violent way to hold america up to the ideals to which it is sworn. so john lewis -- the president's statement was late. it was spare. but it's good that he made it. it would be better if he embraced the spirit of what john lewis meant to this country. >> you are right, there was no love loss between the two men. and this president is known to hold a grudge. he's not one to forget or forgive quickly. when you had a chance to
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interview john lewis for x files, i know you talked to him about forgiveness and redemption. >> yes. >> tell us about that conversation. >> you know, that was something about john lewis that was so striking. because he -- he was -- the word love passed from his lips at all times. he always had the sense that there was a possibility for redemption, and that one should be open to forgiveness. he talked about a klansman who had beaten him, to came to his office in washington years later sobbing and asking for forgiveness. and he gave him that forgiveness. and he said, you always have to be open to the possibility that someone can change. and that kind of grace is really unusual anywhere in life. and to be arrested 40 times, beaten numerous times, beaten almost to death, and yet to still have his heart open to
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forgiveness, you know -- what he said was, you know -- he quoted the old quote about we may have come over on different ships, but we are in the same boat now. and he meant that. you know, just one of the most decent human beings that i have ever encountered. >> i really appreciated this conversation, david axelrod, thank you for taking the time. >> good to be with you, ana. >> we'll be right back. ♪
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with the death toll from the coronavirus pandemic approaching nearly 140,000 in the u.s., president trump is speaking out in a brand-new interview about his stance on masks. i want to get straight to jeremy diamond at the white house. jeremy, what is the president saying. >> reporter: in recent weeks we have seen president trump take some small steps toward the broadly accepted position that masks are beneficial and can help slow the spread of the coronavirus pandemic including wearing a mask last week during a visit to walter reed. but the president is once again still at odds with the science, including cdc director robert red fooel's view that if all americans wore masks this epidemic could get under dploel the next four to eight weeks. >> the cdc says if everybody wore a mask for four to six weeks, we could get this under control. do you regret not wearing a mask in public from the start?
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and would you consider, will you consider a national mandate that people need to wear masks. >> no, i want people to have a certain freedom and i don't believe in that. no. and i don't agree with the statement that if ib everybody wore a mask everything disappears. dr. fauci said doeb wear a mask. our surgeon general terrific guy said don't wear a mask. now all of a sudden everybody has got to wear a mask. and as you know masks cause problems too. that being said i am a believer in masks, i think masks are good. >> not only disagreeing with drb redfield's few on the effect masks could have but resisting the national mandate to have all americans wear a mask. the president has said masks are a good thing, something he you go haveled to say, nonetheless, still at odds with the science and not doing work to encourage
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americans broadly to wear masks. >> jeremy diamond at the white house for us. thank you. joining us now, mark mckinnon co-host of showtime, the circus. mark, you have advised presidential campaigns. cnn reports that republicans and allies of the president believe that the president's poll numbers are unlikely to improve unless he changes hisself destructive patterns and appearance concerned about this pam. right now just 38% of americans approve of his handling of the pandemic. that is down eight points from may. should uns re be worried? >> well, the president should be worried. and his campaign should be worried for for, ana. the one thing that is overriding any other issue in this campaign now is covid and the health care crisis in this country. the president's poll numbers are not going to get better until he does a better job handling this crisis. the one thing you have got to do in a crisis is provide consistent, clear leadership. as you were just showing your last segment, the message about
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masks has been completely mixed. it is unclear. it changes. it's not consistent. donald trump should have been suggesting people wear masks and he should have been wearing a mask three or four months ago. we know from the science it is the one thing we can do as a country that will help turn this thing around. it is not that difficult ask. leadership means doing difficult thing. and this isn't that difficult. to wear a mask yourself, show -- do by showing, and provide leadership and at the very least suggest that everybody be wearing masks. you wouldible much more aggressive about this. the point is, ultimately his fortune in november is pinned directly to the actions he takes now and it is getting really late in the game. he pushed to have the economy opened earlier than it should have been and now we are paying a price for that and the economy is going to be worse than it was before because we opened too early. again, it is a matter of making tough decisions, clear decisions
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and clear decisions. >> on the question about the president and masks. here is mary trump, his niece, who just wrote a back. here is her take on how he has handled this issue of masks. >> it's not because he didn't know masks are good. it's not because he is, you for example rabidly anti-science. it is because those things work for the narrative he needs to spin. so it would require him to admit in one way or another that he's made a mistake. a huge mistake that's cost many, many tens of thousands of lives. he can't do that. >> mark, what if the president admitted he made a mistake? what if he acknowledged the reality of the situation? >> well, she knows him better than just about anybody. and i think she's really -- she's hit the nail on the head there in the sense that he -- he
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will never admit that he has done something wrong. that's just part of his mantra, part of his ethos, part of his dna. so he's not going to do it. that's part of the problem with getting this thing right. part of the problem is that the science is evolving and dr. fauci has evolved on this issue. and evolving is fine. but, again, that's the problem that president trump has, is he refuses to evolve. he refuses to say that a position he may have taken earlier is at odds with the science or is at odds with getting this crisis under control. but unless and until he das, this pandem-- until he does, th pandemic is going to be his down fall. >> representative john lewis passed last night, a man who was respected by both parties. what are your thoughts on his passing? >> it is a reverent day. it is rare these days that in
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society in general and really rare in politics when somebody dies that everybody across the aisle in this case, there is one exception, but largely republicans and democrats, my old boss, george w. bush had some really poignant thoughts about him and was a big pan of john lous's as were all republicans and everyone in politics. that was a guy who not just spoke with wisdom, but lived his life in a way that reflected his commitment and his passion to making our society a better place. and so, you know, the john lewiss, the john mccains, the elijah cummings, when those guys go and everybody stops and says wow we are going to miss those guys and who is going to fill their steps, but john lewis was the kind of guy who took the billy club from the edmund pettus bridge and turned it into a baton to pass to future generations. the one thing -- he was never frivolous. i admired that about him.
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as andrew young said, he never made you feel guilty. but he made you feel responsible. we feel responsible to carry this fight forward. it is tragic that it is happening when race relations are at this point in history. >> thank you mcmark kinnon for being here with us. >> hats off to john lewis. >> and say hello to all the people in colorado, my hometown. >> come home, anna. >> i will soon, i hope. it is a revelation that could change the balance of the nation's highest court and the election. coming up, we will have the latest on justice ruth bader ginsburg's cancer diagnosis. right after this. you are live in the c"cnn newsroom"
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. supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg revealing this week her cancer has returned and she has been undergoing chemotherapy since may. the 87-year-old justice saying in a statement she is fighting the cancer recurrence, this time in her liver, and she vows she is quote fully able to continue in her work. joining us now supreme court analyst joan piskupic. and the author of know for nows rbg. erin, what do you know about justice ginsburg's condition and this chancer treatment she is currently undergoing? >> justice ginsburg of course had colon cancer, pancreatic cancer, lung cancer and now liver cancer. however she disclosed she is responding well to treatment and chemotherapy after trying
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immunotherapy. we wouldn't have known had she not disclosed it because her output at the court has been unchanged. she is fast, she is clear. she has been writing the majority of opinions. dissidenting opinions. she said she is going to continue on the job as long as she can continue full steam. and she has. >> she is one tough woman, joan. earlier this week ruth bader ginsburg was in the hospital for an infection after coming down with a fever and chills. but joan says that's not related to her cancer treatment. what happened there? >> that's right. in fact this was a very brief statement but she told us a lot. she told us that the fever and chills she had come down with earlier this week that landed her at johns hopkins hospital up in baltimore had to do with a possible infection in a bile duct accident that had been inserted about a year ago related to a recurrence of pancreatic cancer. and she said that had nothing do with this.
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and neither did the removal of gallstones that she had had in may. she actually was feeling some pain during the justice's telephonic oral arguments and had to be hospitalized between sessions and still continued hearing oral arguments and participating in oral arguments when she was treated for the gallstone condition. she -- she sent a signal here not that she's as healthy as can be, she's handling this problem, but she is still here. this was a much bolder statement about her health and her continued service on the court than we usually get from justice begins burpg. >> erin, despite justice ginsburg's health challenges, she has rarely missed a day on the bench, as you just noted. how are remote work techniques during this pandemic potentially helping just ginsburg? >> all her life when she suffered with health challenges, justice ginsburg has been
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fanatically devoted to the work of the court. in prepandemic days she kept up a busy schedule of both workouts and the opera. it is clear that the coincidence that the court for the first time is doing teleconference for arguments and handing down opinions on line without the usual oral or majority opinion or dissent on the bench is working out great for justice ginsburg. she has been known to work repeatedly from her hospital bed. last week the court had a 2:00 a.m. death penalty ordered. i think the modern technology has helped make her a celebrity to so many people and now allows her to continue to do the work of the supreme court which she has never neglected. >> joan, we know how much
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justice ginsburg loves her work, how determined she is to stay on top of it. if she were to leave the court before november, do we have a sense before whether president trump and mitch mcconnell would move to fill the vacancy before the election? >> i think the answer is a very big yes. and justice ruth bader ginsburg is well aware of the fact if for any reason she needs to leave the bench before probably january 20th this president and if mitch mcconnell is still the majority leader would push very hard to name a successor. and i don't need to tell you how important that would be. president trump has already named two strong conservatives to the bench. neil gorsuch and brett kavanaugh. if he were to get a third and replace the senior liberal on this bench it would dramatically change the supreme court and law in america. i have no doubt that president trump would try to take advantage of any vacancy on the
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court. and mitch mcconnell has indeed said of the federal judiciary that he will leave no vacancy hyped at the end of 2020. >> thank you, ladies. we'll be right back. - i'm jeff anderson.
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you're live in the cnn newsroom. i'm ana cabrera in new york. breaking news. more stunning numbers out of florida where hospitals are just trying to keep up with the number of coronavirus patients. we are now learning more than 9,000 people are hospitalized in the state, a jump from 7,000 just eight days ago. icus in miami-dade county are at 122% capacity. and ventilator use is up 64% in the last two weeks. florida has become the new epicenter of the coronavirus in the u.s. with more than 10,000 new cases reported just today, pushing the state total past 337,000. south florida lawmakers are

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