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thank you for being with me this afternoon. you're watching cnn and i wan to get straight to this emotional day on capitol hill as lawmakers heard from philonise floyd one day after he laid his brother george floyd to rest. he is testifying in front of the house judicial committee on police practices and law enforcement accountability. crying and pleading with lawmakers to ensure that his brother did not die in vain.
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>> you said he couldn't breathe. nobody cared. nobody. people pleaded for him. they still didn't care. justice has to be served. his life mattered. all our lives matter. black lives matter. i just wish, wish i could get him back. those officers, they get to live. >> phil onis floyd there, tearful and understandably so. this is all coming as washington races to respond to the facingwide protests sparked by
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floyd's death at the hands of police. both democrats and republicans unveiled police reform proposals and i should mention there is some overlap. it is a rare sign that we could see a break-through on police reform legislation. by the way we're speaking with speaker nancy pelosi about all this in just a little bit. so stay tuned for that. all of this is happening while minneapolis is not wasting another minute. this morning the city police chief announced plans to make immediate changes to the police aimed at holding all officers accountable and did not mince words for regarding two now former rookie officers who were also involved in george floyd's death. >> i don't put policies out to say that you should only react or respond if you're a two year or a five year member or a ten-year member. and if policies or subculture get in the way, then i expect and i demand from humanity to rise above that.
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i did not see humanity that day for mr. floyd. >> meanwhile cnn has learned that the white house is weighing the possible of taking executive action on police reform, top aides will present the president with options today. all before he travels to dallas tomorrow which some aides see as a potential venue for the president to unveil new measures and this hour i will talk to speaker pelosi and atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms. i want to start at the white house. all of this is unfolding. the president is taking to twitter. saying he's against renaming some of the military bases named after confederate leaders. so let's go to cnn white house correspondent kaitlan collins. what is the president saying. >> reporter: i'll tell you what he said and how that is conflicted what his secretary said. he said as the briefing was delayed and they brought out
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this tweet in a handout and said in part that it is suggested that we should rename some of the military bases given who they are named after. the president said the monumental and very powerful bases have become a part of great american heritage and a history of winning and he goes, therefore my visiadministrationl not consider the renaming of these magnificent and fabled military instillations and letter said, quote, respect our military. that is the president saying he is not open for the discussion that you heard the army secretary and the defense secretary confirm that they were open to having about renaming these bases and the questions about what they are named after and what they stand for. as you're seeing these protests happen across the nation in wake of george floyd's death and a larger conversation is happening nationally about race relations here in the united states. the president is directly contradicting them say, no, he is not open to that and that comes just after cnn reporting sh showed that they were open to
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it. this is notable because the president has taken this stance in the past and it is also notable the mixed message from the president and his defense secretary given how contentious their relationship was last week and people in the white house were questioning whether or not they would have an acting defense secretary because mark esper would leave his job whether through being resigned or being fired. because he and the president had been on such uneven ground and he came out saying he didn't support the insurrection act and now this is happening where the president is saying no he is not open to renaming the military bases, brooke, even though pentagon leaders said they that were. >> not even open, saying he wouldn't consider rename. kaitlan collins from the white house. thank you. with me now, activist and co-author of the young adult book "i'm not dying with you tonight" kimberly jones. a pleasure to have you on. thank you so much for joining
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me. >> oh, thank you so much for having me. >> i got a lot to get to with you but first let me get your quick reaction to the president saying he's not even considering renaming some of the military bases named after confederate leaders. your thoughts? >> i think that that is extremely unfortunate and that is one of the things that continues to show that america is not prepared for the atonement ma is necessary for atr atrocities that black americans have experienced in this country and i think those kinds of loud declarations of it is not even a thought of something that i would consider is extremely sad and unfortunate for the black americans in this country. >> we led the show with the tearful words from george floyd's brother up on capitol hill today and i want to play a little bit more from his brother and then we'll talk on the other side. >> i'm tired. i'm tired of pain. pain you feel when you watch something like that. when you watch your big brother, who you looked up to for your
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whole life die, die begging for his mom. i'm here to ask you to make it stop. stop the pain. stop us from being tired. george called for help and he was ignored. please listen to the call i'm making to you now. >> kimberly, those are powerful words coming from philonise floyd. how does that sit on your heart and what is your message for the floyd family? >> first of all, i just want to say that i send my condolences and my love and my best wishes to the floyd family. and the thing that i hope the most for the floyd family is justice. that they receive the proper justice in this situation. and i hope that it could be representative of what we should be doing moving forward in these cases. >> so let's get to you, kimberly. you and your message that has now been seen far and wide around the world this week.
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in case people have not seen it, here is a clip. >> you broke the contract with us for 400 years. we played your game and built your wealth and they are lucky that what black people are looking for is equality and not revenge. >> and i encourage people to watch the entire six or seven minutes and now lebron james is responding and he said i'm here for you kimberly. you're getting global recognition and praise for a message that was very raw. and what you said took honesty, it took courage. why do you think you said what you said and the way you said it, why did it so resonate with people? >> i think that i said it the way that i said it out of sheer exhaustion. we are exhausted with having these hashtags. we're exhausted with having this conversation. and i find it completely ridiculous that people can't
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wrap their head around the idea that you do not get to be judge, jury and executioner in the streets of american citizens. i don't care what the situation was, and what happened, people are due their day in court. people do not get murdered in the street for simple and petty crimes. but that is consistently what is happening here and i think it is utterly ridiculous. and i think there are a lot of people who have spoken out about it. but i think that people have continued to speak out about it in a way to make it palatable to the people who don't want to listen to the messages and they've made up their mind and dug their heels in and i wasn't trying to speak to them to adjust their view, i was trying to compress the pain, the heartfelt pain of people in this country who walk out of their door every day, not knowing if they could possibly be murdered in a routine stop. and i think that people are tired of the old bait-and-switch
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talk of saying that something means something when it really doesn't. and i think some people were ready to hear a message that was true and real and authentic in its feeling and i think that is why people are responding to it. >> and it landed and it landed in a massive way all around the world. i can't even imagine what your in-box must look like. my last question is this, from your perspective, what is the biggest hurdle black people see in race relations. of all of the things where we as a society need to improve, police, education, health care, unconscience bias, what is the one thing that needs to change so we could see a lasting effect. >> there needs to be a strategic economic plan for the african-american community. if anyone watches the full length of the video they'll see my analogy of monopoly how we've been cut out of economic wealth in this country for nearly 500 years and plays a part in
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everything that happens and plays a part in the amount of money spent in our neighborhoods that contribute to the schools and education that we get. it is assists with mass incarceration that people are sitting in prison for up to a year just because they can't make a simple bond. it plays to the fact that people feel like they could get away with atrocities in the street because people don't have the financial power to fight against them. i feel like all of these things matter and someone has to pick up all of these batons. but for me personally we need to see a strategic economic plan that is going to allow black people to empower themselves in this country and in a way that they could fight against the atrocities we're facing on a daily basis. >> kimler by jones, i admire you. thank you so much in atlanta for us this afternoon. thank you. we have so much more ahead. including my interview with atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms. he'll talk about police reform and the voting issues in george. she'll join me live. also house speaker nancy
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welcome back. you're watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. here is a quote. insulting to our constitutional right to vote. that is how one woman described her nearly four-hour wait to cast a ballot in georgia's primary yesterday. she said that to the atlanta journal constitution and she wasn't alone. >> how long? >> four hours, four and a half
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hours. >> i'll be here as long as it takes and i have to work today but they understand. >> at multiple polling sites including the atlanta metro area voters faced long lines from untrained workers and broken voting machines and now investigations have been launched as a result that key races are still unknown. jon ossoff in the lead but could face a runoff in his bid against david purdue calling yesterday an embarrassment. with me now the mayor, keisha lance bottoms. a pleasure as always. >> nice to talk to you. >> let me throw out the cover of the ajc today and you see two words, complete meltdown. as a mayor, do you think it was a complete meltdown. >> that is accurate. and it was not just a complete meltdown on yesterday, we saw this with early voting even on friday. i have a neighbor who stood in
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line for almost eight hours, someone told me about their neighbor who was in line until 2:30 a.m. attempting to vote. and it is absolutely ridiculous. coming out of 2016 specifically when there were so many questions about the integrity of our election to be here again in 2020 under these circumstances really, it's unacceptable. and brooke, i could tell you, i requested an absentee ballot that i never received. i had a cousin who called me today and has showed up to vote at his precinct yesterday and he was told that he had been purged. and he was told because he's a convicted felon, which he's not. so i think the layers of the voter suppression and the breakdown in our election system in georgia run very deep. >> and just to follow up quickly on your absentee ballot, did you get a reason why you never
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received it or it just never came, period. >> it never came in the mail. so i ended up going to vote last week, one day last week whether i didn't receive it. but it never came. >> got you. so in an interview with "the new york times" brad raffensberger said this. the counties run their elections, he said the problems in fulton county, atlanta, are the problems with the management team, not with me. so mayor bottoms, you basically have the secretary of state of georgia saying it is not his fault. >> well, he's elected to oversee the elections so if fulton county has a problem, if dekalb and cobb county has a problem, it is also his problem. we heard of long lines in neighboring counties as well and it begs the question if it is
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the responsibility simply of the counties to ensure that we have a fair and well-run election than what is the point of having an elected secretary of state. >> let me pivot to this. a couple of weeks ago when the protests turned violent in atlanta, you told people if they wanted to make change do it in the primary election yesterday and in november and i want to read a tweet from lebron james last night about georgia. this is what he said. everyone talking about how do we fix this. they say go out and vote. what about asking if how we vote is also structurally racist? how would you respond to him and others who feel the same way? >> what i would say, brooke, is this is the reason we have to run the numbers so high that there is no room for error. meaning that we have to turn out every single person who is eligible to vote in this country. to vote not just in georgia, but across the country. because even as we sit here
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today, my understanding from the osoff campaign is there are around 260,000 absentee ballots that still need to be counted. and this could go on for quite sometime. especially when you're looking at how close that race is and so many other races across our state. but i think it is going to be incumbent upon all of us who want change in this country to show up and vote. and also demand accountability from our elected officials like our secretary of state to ensure that we have properly run elections. >> and we'll be speaking to speaker pelosi to get her thoughts on this and any concerns she has ahead of november. but let me go back to the night of the first protests, keisha. you made national headlines for speaking about being the mother of four black children, three of whom are sons, how you urged your teenage son not to be out because you couldn't protect him even though as you wrote in "the
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new york times" opinion piece, the police report to you but you said this about your younger son who is 12. >> i just saw my 12-year-old running around the house with a cap gun, a black cap gun. and i thought about tamir rice and i didn't know he had ordered it. and the talk again about condition play with cap guns. children get killed for that. >> mayor bottoms, playing with a toy gun is something that seems to innocent but as you mentioned in the wake of tamir rice, it caused you to fear for your own son's life and could you just tell me what was that conversation like and did he understand your concern? >> actually, he didn't, brooke. he thought that he was in
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trouble because he had gone into my amazon account to order something that he didn't have permission to order. and that really concerned me even more. because i didn't care about him going into the account. that was completely secondary. but i think, again, it speaks to the innocence of our children that we love and we want to preserve. but also in 2020, the need for our children to be so aware and conscientious of these dangers seen and unseen that surround them. and in that situation he thought that he was going to be in big trouble for going into my amazon account which usually would amount to being in big trouble. but it was completely secondary to trying to explain to him how dangerous it is to play with anything that looks like a gun. and i don't know if he
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understood it, but so many parents like myself, this is not a one-time conversation. it is a conversation we have to have repeatedly. and unfortunately when things happen, it makes many of us say it again and again and again, which re ates this cycle of anxiety and these layers, i believe, of just emotional trauma that is upon so many of our families. but that is the silver lining of this moment with the tragedy of george floyd and ahmaud arbery and breonna taylor and so many others, a silver lining is that we're having these conversations as a country. and that is why i was so appreciative this weekend with cnn and the sesame street town hall just to have an opportunity to talk to children in a way that they could receive and understand this information. but it is not just me. there are parents across this country who are having the same
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experiences and these same challenges. >> we appreciate you saying that. and it is so important. as we're so aware of parents having these difficult conversations with their kids. mayor keisha lance bottoms, as always, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, house speaker nancy pelosi live to discuss the battle on capitol hill to implement real change as her party unveils a sweeping police reform bill. republicans, meanwhile, have their own ideas. the real question is can they come together. and the coronavirus is still here in a big way. cases are rising in 19 states including one now warning hospitals to start implementing emergency measures. we'll be right back. they are compelled to step forward. to the front lines. and into the unknown... for all of us.
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with calls increasing around the country for meaningful police reform lawmakers in washington are trying to take action in the wake of george floyd's death, his brother testified before the house judiciary committee today wiping tearing from his eyes pleading
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with lawmakers to make big changes so no other family has to experience the pain he and his family are enduring. >> george wasn't hurting anyone that day. he didn't deserve to die over $20. i'm asking you, is that what a black man is worth? $20? this is 2020. enough is enough. the people marching in the streets are telling you enough is enough. the people elected you to speak for them, to make positive change, george's name means something. you have the opportunity here today to make your names mean something, too. >> and here he comes days after house democrats unveiling a sweeping reform package. tim jot of south carolina are working on a plan all of their own and said this afternoon there is common ground between congressional democrats, republicans and the white house on this issue.
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meantime, about a dozen cities and municipalities across the country have either banned or are moving to ban the use of police choke holds. so to washington we go to house speaker nancy pelosi. speaker pelosi, welcome. >> thank you, my pleasure to be with you. >> before we get to legislation, just on the family, when you watched philonise floyd saying enough is enough and george's name means something and you, members of congress, have the opportunity to make your names mean something, speaker pelosi, what is your message to him? >> well it was quite an emotional experience for us to sit there and listen to what you just heard him say. but before we went into the auditorium where he testified, he said to me, i have a question. is this going to happen? is there going to be a bill that is passed? and why do you think so. and i said i think so, i know so
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because the people have spoken. president lincoln said public sentiment is everything. with it you could accomplish almost anything, without it practically nothing. but for sentiment to prevail people have to know and people do. and people have spoken. they have been seen, they have been heard. and they've done so day in and day out for weeks. so the injustice of is readily apparent. and the need to make the change is clear and the proposals to do so have been in the hopper for a while. that is why i'm so proud of our congressional black caucus. karen bass, our judiciary committee and chairman nadler for being ready when the sad time came, at a time when the public was more ready to weigh in. >> and as you say you know so and this has been in the works for a minute. you also know as a deal-maker
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how difficult it is to bring about change in washington and i know you're colleagues have tried. i think of congressman hakeem jeffries introducing five years ago the anti-choke hold legislation in the wake of eric garner's death and yet here we are today. so with that robust bill you are proposing, what are your three must-haves? >> well there are three categories. one in terms of the stopping the use of violence and recording it. that is to say no choke holds and again issues that relate to no warrantless breaking into people's homes and that. and again, recording it by having body cams, car cams and the rest. and keeping the data. but also very important to it all is the qualified immunity doctrine that really protects police from being prosecuted for their actions. this is very, very important.
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and, again, whether it is how they are prosecuted and how -- what vulnerability, what exposure the police have for some actions, a. b., keeping a record of what it is. and also the data on actions taken by police that are against the law that are unjustice and then of course choke hold, racial profiling and issues like that that have to stop. >> so are you speaking with senator scott about this? are you speaking to the white house about this? how are you as speaker of the house working to cross this across the finish line? >> well, my trust is in the congressional black caucus which has been working on this for decades. for decades. and the judiciary committee. i have had any conversations, yes. but they're taking the lead on this. and we are very proud of the response they've received, over
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200 co-sponsors in the house. they command great respect on both sides of the aisle, on both sides of the capitol. and hopefully down pennsylvania avenue. so my goal is to give them options. but, again, to respect their judgment an how we go forward. >> speaking of pennsylvania avenue, the white house today signaled they are working on some form of a executive order on police reform, we don't know what is in it. we know president trump travels to dallas tomorrow for this round table with law enforcement and faith leaders and the like. but when you look at his tweets from this week promoting this false conspiracy theory involving that buffalo protester martin gugino and he tweeted about keeping the military bases after confederate leaders it runs counter to all of the efforts, so madam speaker do you have faith that the white house is taking police reform seriously? >> well i hoped that they will.
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because i think it is very important for us to work in bipartisan way to the extent possible. certainly i'm hopeful that that is possible in the congress of the united states. and i hope that if that happens that the president will be receptive to it. i wouldn't be distracted by any of the president's tweets or other comments. we should focus on the merit of the legislation. the difference that it will make, the hope that it gives people that things can and will change. and, again, we must strive for as much bipartisanship and i'm hopeful that could be the case. we, again, as you mentioned earlier, are right now in the process of having the hearing of many authorities on the subject of justice in policing in the capitol of the united states. that record is going to be very important as to why and how we can go forward. but let us at least try to be
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bipartisan or nonpartisan as we deal with this. the american people deserve that. and we should strive for it. but if we cannot, reaching across the aisle, trying to find a common ground, if we cannot, we must go forward with the strongest possible legislation to make the biggest possible difference because we must make change. >> speaking of change, i was just thinking of the election in november. i was just speaking with keisha lance bottoms, the mayor of atlanta, asking her about what happened with the election in georgia yesterday and all of the issues with voting and this is what the mayor just told me. >> it is absolutely ridiculous. coming out of 2016 specifically when there were so many questions about thein tegity of our election to be here again in 2020 under these circumstances,
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it is unacceptable. i think the break down in georgia run very deep. >> my question to you speaker pelosi, do you any concern how things will go in november just from what they experienced in georgia late last night. >> i agree with the distinguished mayor had to say and she has firsthand experience in the voter suppression that exists and it takes many forms including not being ready for an election that you know what your responsibilities are. let me say that in the heroes act which we hope will be passed which supports our first responders and our health care workers, our heroes in all of this, our teachers and the rest, against the fight against the coronavirus, and helps state and localities do their job. also having their considerable resources for voting by mail. this is not only a democracy issue of helping people vote at
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h home and making it easier for them, it is a health issue in the time of the coronavirus. to see what happened in georgia where in certain neighborhoods that are more affluent and more white, it took you 20 minutes to vote. but it took hours in other neighborhoods. that -- one could be suspicious that could be by design. so, again, in the bill we have $3.6 billion -- >> may i jump in. when you say forgive me, when i saw it could be suspicious and by design, what do you mean by that. >> yeah. by design. >> who did the designing? >> well those who are responsible. that would be the secretaries of state and those who are responsible in different states, it is largely secretaries of state. but you have to make a decision to remove obstacles to participation in voting. that is your responsibility. if you send out machines prematurely where there isn't adequate training and personnel to deal with the voting, you're
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asking for trouble. and you don't seem to mind when it cost other people hours to vote. so let's just assume that -- hope for the best. always hope for the best. but prepare for the worst. and what we have to do is make sure that we have the legal strength that we need to fight all of this, that we have the proper preparation of people to help other people at the polls, that we hold those responsible for sending out the vote by mail accountable. there is no surprise here. it happened. now let's make sure it doesn't happen again. this is about the essence of who we are as a democracy. the sacred right to vote and that they would trample on that or ignore their responsibilities to it is something that we must address. and as the mayor referenced, there was intervention in the elections in 2016. there is no surprise in any of
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this. but i will tell you if you saw the republican playbook on voter suppression, you would see that there is a plan here that says we're afraid of the vote, we're going to do everything we can to limit it. limit it in terms of geography, locations and in terms of timing as to how late or in advance polls are open and limit it in terms of mechanics of the election. when it comes to voting by mail. but you know what, we don't agonize. we organize. we're going to be ready for all of this. because that is what we owe our constitution and that is what we owe our democracy. that is what we owe our children and all of the american people. >> sure. i imagine what is happening in atlanta will be looked into but i know that georgia secretary of state is essentially saying it was not his fault. we'll have other conversations on that. i want to end with this. because i know you have strong
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baltimore roots an i wanted to ask about someone as you referred to as your brother in baltimore. a congressman and a civil rights champion elijah cummings who is no longer with us. i read the words you written about him and he passed and i want to remind people. the people of baltimore the congress and the united states lost a voice of unsurpassed moral clarity and truth. our beloved chairman, elijah e. cummings, in the house he was a leader who pushes the congress and country all to rise to a higher purpose, reminding us why we are here. as he said, whenever he saw what we were not living up to, our founders vision for america, and meeting needs of our children for the future, we are better than this. and speaker pelosi, i want to end with those words, we're better than this. and what do you think your dear friend, your north star would say before where we are in
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america right now? >> well, one other thing that he did say is he said when we are dancing with the angels, little did we know that that would be imminent for him. but one, we're dancing with the angels. we need to be responsible for what we did to make things better. and he would be saying right now, what are each -- what is each of us doing to make things better, to take responsibility, take responsibility for our democracy. and he said of the children, he said the children are our messengers to the future, a future we'll never see. so this responsibility is to our democracy and to our children. >> speaker nancy pelosi, thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, 19 states are now seeing a rise in coronavirus cases. including a spike so severe in one state that officials are
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remember that second wave of coronavirus cases that those top health experts had warned us about? it's happening right now. johns hopkins university researchers found 19 states are seeing a spike in the number of new patients with covid-19. this is happening after many states loosened restrictions designed to curb the spread of the virus. and then you add to that the number of massive protests over
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the last two weeks, and you have all of this, despite the economic toll, not every american is on board with getting back to normal. in fact, the country is nearly split down the middle on whether or not they're comfortable with this whole idea. and then there is this number. 46% of americans say the worst is yet to come. contrast that with the 47% who think the worst is behind us. let's go to cnn's senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. what to think? you see the divide based on the polling. it seems to be in disagreement between the world health organization and dr. anthony fauci as well, just about the nature of asymptomatic transmission. what are you hearing? >> you know what, brooke, over the past couple of days there has been a disagreement because the world health organization said one thing about asymptomatic transmission that confused everybody. then they changed it on tuesday confusing people even more. and then tony fauci and others
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came out and said asymptomatic transmission is real. people can feel fine, yet still be infected and infect others. and that brings us to the recent protests because there are people who are feeling well enough to protest but in fact might have covid-19 and not even know it. so let's take a listen to something dr. fauci said recently. >> so, i wouldn't be surprised that members of the congregation that were there demonstrating could also be infected. and many of them would then go back to where they were because not everyone was demonstrating in the city where they live. they've come from the outside. so it's the kind of things that we were concerned about. and unfortunately we're seeing it come true right now. >> so the bottom line for all of this, whether it's a protest or just people getting together, if we are not careful, if we don't socially distance, we can spread covid-19 even if they feel fine. brooke? >> it feels like so many people
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have just sort of forgotten that it's a thing. but we have to be so, so careful still. just into us here at cnn, the white house press secretary is now defending the president for spreading this totally unfounded conspiracy theory about that 75-year-old protester in buffalo, new york, who was pushed to the ground by police. we have those new details for you next. gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. with fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. that's the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management.
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moments ago, white house press secretary kalee mcthenny jumped when he claimed without evidence that the 75-year-old protester who was shoved by
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police in buffalo, new york, may have been part of a, quote, setup. she said the president did the right thing by asking questions and that it was not a baseless conspiracy. when we see a brief snippet of a video, it's incumbent upon reporters and those who are surveying the situation to ask questions rather -- >> president to have facts before he tweets anything out? he's the president of the united states. >> the president did have facts before he tweeted it out that undergirded his question. it's not a baseless conspiracy theory. i won't acknowledge that because, look, you had -- let's contrast this to the george floyd situation which that horrific video that we all saw, every single police officer that i saw across the country came out and said this is an inexcusable action, and i condemn this police officer. in this case, there were 57 police officers who said i resign in protest over the way these two officers were handled. and the president says those law enforcement officers have a right to be heard.
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>> but has the president said anything that justifies that 75-year-old man being pushed down to the ground like we all saw? >> the president does not condone violence. he wants to see the appropriate amount of police force used in any given situation including this one. but he believes that the officers have a right to be heard. >> cnn's political correspondent abby phillip is with me from washington. what is going on here? >> reporter: the president's motto is don't back down, don't apologize, don't give an inch. and i think you're seeing kale yeefd mcenany following through on that in a way that is really unbelievable because it has very little bearing to the truth. i mean, brooke, if you look at what the president actually tweeted, he wasn't asking a question. he said the buffalo protester could be an antifa provocateur, and he said i watched, he fell harder than he was pushed. those are statements, not questions. and i think that's part of the
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problem here is that when the press secretary goes out there and says these kinds of things, it's part of the job in this white house to defend the president no matter what. but it erodes her credibility because it's not connected to what actually happened here. and i think most people, first of all, we should be very clear there's no basis for the president's claim. we have talked to people who knew this man. he's a peaceful protester, no ties to antifa. so the idea that the president would put that out there is spreading a conspiracy theory and it's not just asking questions, it's not just wondering, oh, i wonder what happened here. the president was making claims that are not true about an incident that everybody saw on tape and saw what happened there. >> i've got you for 60 more seconds before we go to jake, i was asking speaker pelosi and what sort of faith does she have in this white house in terms of bringing police reform. they are talking about some sort
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of potential executive action. what do you know? >> yeah. i mean, i think this is moving forward. i don't know how close the two parties are. one thing you did hear the press secretary say today is that one of the ideas that has been thrown around about qualified immunity, it would hold police officers viable for violating other people's rights. the president is not interested in rolling that back. i think we've heard a lot of what the president is interested in. we have not heard very much about what he would support. however, does seem that this is being led by senate republicans, and the big question will be will the president be willing to get behind whatever they put together? they are staking out a pretty firm line on supporting police. so i think it might be challenging to find some proposals that will make the president happy, that will make him believe that he is able to back reform without seeming to
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undermine police officers. >> abby phillip, good to have you on as always. thank you very much. and thank you for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin, you are watching cnn. jake tapper starts right now. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. and we begin today with the national lead. we have to do better. that's the message today from the minneapolis police chief in the wake of the police killing of george floyd. the chief today acknowledging that parts of his own police department are indeed broken. he promised he will support policing reform. reform not just happening in minneapolis, of course, where floyd was killed but in cities nationwide. and today george floyd's brother philonise floyd called for action testifying on capitol hill asking lawmakers there on the house judiciary committee for help to stop the pain that he and many in this country are feeling right now. >> george called for help