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this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. 11:00 p.m. on the east coast. we've got the lawsuitest on the
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coronavirus for you. there are 1,038,000 cases in the united states. the death toll from the virus in this country now has surpassed 60,000. worldwide, nearly 3.2 million cases and more than 225,000 deaths. dr. anthony fauci expressing optimism today about a study of the antiviral drug remdesivir saying the data shows the drug has, quote, a clear cut significant positive effect in speeding up recovery from the virus. tonight a source at the white house telling cnn the trump administration's launching a project called operation warp speed to accelerate the development of a potential vaccine. the project's goal is to have one available by the end of the year. no vaccine has been created yet, though multiple projects are in the works around the world. and president trump saying we'll see social distancing guidelines fading out as states begin to reopen, despite warnings from medical experts that the coronavirus cases will spike if
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states reopen too soon. joining me now, white house correspondent john harwood and our resident fact checker daniel dale, regulars on this program, and we're always happy to have them. good evening. john, reuters is reporting tonight that president trump said in an interview today that he believes china's handling of coronavirus is proof that beijing will do anything they can to make him lose in november. is he suggesting that they wanted there to be a global pandemic that would cost more than 227,000 lives all because of him? >> i think that's what he's trying to suggest. look, president trump has been shaken as our colleague jeremy diamond has been reporting this evening by the very bad poll numbers he's been presented. he would lose the election to joe biden if it were held today. and he's looking for some way to deflect responsibility for his
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political situation. he's been saying multiple times in recent days that china is responsible for the situation that we're in as opposed to how he has managed the pandemic. and by then saying well this is happening because china wants me to lose the election. that's in effect an attempt to try to create a story that is the analog to 2016 and russia was trying to help donald trump win. now he's trying to say china is trying to help joe biden win and see if he can sell that argument. it's -- it is not an effective rebuttal to his own handling of this situation, but it's something that he appears to want to try. >> more than 1,037,000 cases of coronavirus in the u.s., more than 60,000 deaths. and president trump is saying tonight this virus is going away and talking about 25,000-person rallies. he still doesn't seem to get the nature of what this virus does
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and how dangerous it is. >> don, more than most people donald trump is trapped inside his own head. and so he understands that he's in trouble now and he's thinking back to just a few months ago i had this great economy. just a few months ago i was going to see alabama play lsu and there were 100,000 people there and they were cheering me. just a short while ago i was able to have these big rallies and had cheering crowds. and he's kind of whisfully wishing he could put himself back in that position. >> he's like the former high school quarterback romanticizing his high school years. >> glory days was the bruce springsteen song about that. but it's aspirational in the sense that we all remember he was talking about opening the country at easter. of course he didn't do it. said it was an aspirational goal.
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this does not appear any more realistic than that, the idea that any time soon he's going to have rallies with 25,000 people. but that doesn't mean he may not at some point try to make it happen. >> daniel, president trump continues to pretendest thing isn't a problem in the united states. what are the facts? >> don, we've heard for weeks from everyone from public health experts to republican governors to corporate executives that a significant increase in the quantity of tests is necessary to slow the spread of the virus and safely reopen the economy. but the president keeps suggesting and especially has in recent days suggesting that even talking about testing is some or the is of media or partisan conspiracy to damage him. he's described it as a media trap and a media dream. i thought something really interested happened at his second event of the day today. he was at a round table of corporate executives and said no one should be talking about testing. then later at the same event, the ceo of hilton, the hotel
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chain, had his own comments. listen to this. >> you don't hear about ventilators, you don't hear about masks, and you shouldn't be hearing about testing but that's the last thing they can complain about i guess. if we do 2 million tests, how come you didn't do three? >> our customers saying they're looking for the government, the state and federal government to focus on testing so that hay understand what real mortality rates are. >> so, this wasn't like -- >> go on, i'm sorry. >> this wasn't like a report or getting in the president's face saying you're wrong, fact check. but effectively skpun subtly the ceo of a major company was making clear what the president is saying is nonsense. >> i want you to listen to this, what the president said about reopening the economy. >> i had one restaurant owner come up to me and said sir i'm going to be opening up. if i distance too much i have
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50% of the restaurant i'll have. i said you'll also have a worse atmosphere. we want to back where we can have -- we want it to be the way it was. >> what's the deal with these stories? >> i can't tell you that this particular story is made up, but i can tell you that the president has a long history of telling stories in which an unnamed man, usually a man, comes up to him and calls him "sir." in my fact checking experience doing this three plus years now, almost always when he tells a sir story, something in that story if not the whole story is significantly inaccurate. >> thank you all. i had a friend that was a big basketball player back in high school. speed ball body make you feel like a fool. that's glory days. you made me think about that song. thank you, gentleman. i appreciate it. need a little laugh now and
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then. i want to bring in now dr. jonathan ryaner. you know that song, john. good evening to you. thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us, sir, this evening. so, let's talk about this. dr. fauci putting his credibility on the line saying data shows remdesivir has a significant positive effect in treating coronavirus. you say this is a big moment for science. explain that, please. >> yeah. i think it's -- today was a hopeful day. and we've had so many days that seem so dark and so long. i mean, these last two months have seemed like five years. today was awe day i think filled with hope. and i watched dr. fauci who at 79 looked like he was 35 today. when i was a medical student in the early 1980s, this new disease came on the horizon affecting primarily young men in places like new york and san
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francisco and started killing them. and for seven years there was nothing to treat them with. then in 1987 the first effective antiviral drug a.c.t. came on the market and that was a tide changer. and dr. fauci mentioned that today. and i think this was sort of a similar moment. this was the first time we've identified a compound that has real identifiable antiviral activity. so, i feel like we've been on the defensive for the last few months really getting pummelled in places like new york. and i feel like today we sort of look like now we're going to go on the offensive now that we have some promise. >> this is some promise, but just everyone cautions this is not the end all be all drug. this just -- this is something that you can build upon. it's the first thing that actually works on the virus, correct? >> right. totally. and what we know about this, this shortens the time to recovery. this trial was not really powered to look at a mortality
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reduction. it wasn't a large enough trial to do that, but it almost did. it almost reached statistical significance with reduction in mortality. we'll see how that pans out when the trial is published and fully add jude da adjudicated and see what other studies show. it does suggest that patients treated with remdesivir, outcomes are better. >> not a vaccine, right? >> this is not a vaccine. this is an antiviral. this is a therapeutic for people who have the disease. >> i jaus want to make that clear for the audience that this is not just some magic bullet. it's very promising and for dr. fauci and other doctors to come on, gives you a direction to go in. you see what effect it has on the virus. let's hope it works. let's hope they find something better after this.
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as states begin to consider reopening, many are focusing on a figure. it's called r not -- >> right. >> -- which shows how much the virus is spreading in a population. so, explain what is this. how does this work? >> the r not is basically the reproductive coefficient for the virus. it's basically a number that we use to suggest how infectious the virus is. and it's affected by a few things. it's affected by how intrinsically contagious the virus is. it's affected by how long a virus stays contagious in the host. and it's also affected by something that is really not a biological process. it's affected by how often the virus encounters a new vulnerable host. and that is what we've been
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affecting by social distancing. by reducing the opportunity for an inefected person to transmit the virus to an non-infected person, we've been able to reduce the r-not. >> can you break it down even -- just simplify it even more for. this is 101, okay? if r-not is one, it means they've infected one other person? >> right. so, when this virus first started to burn through our cities, the r-not was over 2 which meant that the index person passed the virus on to 2 people and those 2 people each passed the virus on to 2 people, so that's 4 people. and you can see how you can go from 1 person infected with the virus in late january to a million people infected just a few months later. >> got it. >> so, when the -- when you employee social distancing and you start to create these fire breaks such that when a person who is infected doesn't
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encounter someone who he or she can pass the virus on to, the reproductive ability drops. and once it drops below one, that's when you really can start to contain the virus. it's finally dropped below 1 in places like new york. in wuhan, it's now down to about .3. by social distancing, by doing the things that we've done so successfully, we can continue to drop the r-not, reduce the infective ability of the virus. and that's how we get back to more of a normal society. i'm not saying normal. to more of a normal society by continuing to do what we're doing in places where the virus is still active. >> i want you to, doctor, take a look at this map of coronavirus cases. this is the coronavirus cases in new york over 14 days. why do you think we're seeing this plateau in cases? >> well, what we've done is we've flattened the curve. and it's going to take a long
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time to come down. the upswing in infection in this country was very steep, and i think a lot of people hope that the down side of the curve would be just as steep. but what social distancing has done, it has spread out over a longer period of time. unless we backtrack, and there are unfortunate precedents in this world for that, unless we backtrack, it will continue to go down. the japanese island of hokkaido with about 5 million people enacted very severe social distancing after the virus came to hokkaido at the end of february. when they loosened it on march 18th, the virus came back. and they've recently reinstituted social distancing. so, if you let go of some of the smart things you're doing, the virus can come back. >> dr. ryaner, thank you so much. a appreciate it. >> my pleasure. now i want to get to cnn's erica hill with the latest on
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states' plans to reopen. >> reporter: florida ready to reopen. >> there is a light at the end of the tunnel. this new phase will start on monday, may 4th, and will, for the time being, exclude miami-dade, broward, and palm beach counties. >> reporter: nearly 30% of the state's residents including hard-hit miami-dade county excluded from the governor's plan giving restaurants and businesses the green light. haircuts in georgia, one of the first signs of that state's reopening while in california any professional trims are still months away. a striking example of just how different the next steps will be. >> we have significantly less cases than we had two weeks ago, than we had three weeks ago. it's time to enter a more sustainable phase. >> more than half the states in the country announcing plans to ease restrictions. despite none appearing to meet white house guidelines for a 14-day decline in positive cases. meantime, new hope for a
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treatment. >> remdesivir has a clear-cut significant positive effect in diminishing the time to recover. a drug can block this virus. >> reporter: the next big retail experiment comes on friday when three dozen simon-owned malls and shopping centers will reopen in eight states. restaurants in georgia and tennessee welcoming diners. yet it's not clear americans are ready for these changes. new polling shows eight in ten think opening restaurants for on-site dining is a bad idea. nearly 2/3 say the same about returning to work without further testing. 85% say students shouldn't go back to school without more testing. when they do return, it's likely to look much different. >> it's not back to normal. it's modified. that means potentially staggering school times for different cohorts of kids. it means the recess period being radically modified. it means cafeteria being shut down and people getting food
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around their desks, deep sanitation. >> the economy continues to take a hit. first quarter gdp down nearly 5%. the president using the defense production act to keep the country's meat processing plants open. more than 20 facilities have closed over the past two months because of positive cases. at least 20 workers have died according to the union representing many of them. >> absolutely critical and essential to the food supply chain. you have to protect them. >> it may slow the line down a bit. it may require them to expend resources for protective equipment and other safety measures. bullet at the end of the day this is essential work for the country and these are essential workers and they deserve adequate protection. >> in some states, employees who choose not to return may lose government benefits. >> it's a voluntary quit. so, therefore they would not be eligible for the unemployment money. >> farmers unable to process their livestock creating a damaging ripple effect as the
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need for food assistance skyrockets. >> we're alone. you know, even my neighbor, you know, she's alone too. so, that's why we appreciate it. >> it's an experience. you know, the kids, it's hard for them. >> lines stretching for miles. many americans turning to food banks for the first time in their lives. in little rock, a planned four-hour food distribution ran out in just an hour, each box offering families the equivalent of 40 meals. erica hill, cnn, new york. people across the country are clamoring for antibody tests for coronavirus. some tests have, quote, really terrible accuracy. can we count on them? next. some companies still have hr stuck between employees and their data.
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states across the country announcing plans to ramp up testing for coronavirus antibodies which show whether
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someone's already had the virus. but one study is shedding light on just how unreliable those tests are. one researcher saying the accuracy of some antibody tests in her words, really terrible. here to discuss, alexander marson and alexander sue. i'm going to start with you. so, walk us through what you have found out about how effective these tests really are. >> yeah, so let me just start by framing this a little bit. i understand that everyone feels the urgency to have a clear-cut answer and wants to know whether these tests can tell us who's immune and who's safe from reinfection. the fact of the matter is that these tests became available very rapidly in response to a crisis. and now we're just going through the steps and we started by just testing the the tests. the first set of tests is really to just tell us do these reliablely tell us if somebody who has been infected have
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antibodys in their blood. then we have to do further studies to see if they're protected from reinfection. when we go and test the test, we see a range. some seem promising and some seem less promising. >> patrick, so of the 12 antibody tests you studied, one gave false positives more than 15% of the time and three more than 10% of the time. why are false positives so dangerous? >> we conducted the this study because we realized there were over 100 antibody tests on the market, yet there had not yet been a systematic and rigorous test performance evaluation of how their sensitivity and specificity would look. so, that's exactly what we set out to do in this work. i think the importance of a very specific test really can come in several use cases. for example in clinical diagnosis, if you go into a hospital and you feel ill but you've gone in several days or a
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week after the beginning of illness, that's really when these molecular tests can be less sensitive. and antibody tests can be much more accurate. however, during this time if you get a false positive it's really important that people don't think that because they have a positive antibody test they've already been exposed to the virus and they can go back and start to mingle with people and not socially distance. it's really important to realize that there's no evidence that a positive antibody test necessarily means that you have protective immunity. we, many researchers around the world, are trying to connect those dots. and there's a lot of intense work to try to understand that. >> one more, let me follow up, patrick here, and the accuracy and the results were even worse for samples from patients known to have had coronavirus. in other words, you tested people who you knew had coronavirus and theests still weren't accurate. >> so, the samples that we used where we had both positive and negative samples in the study.
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the positive samples were taken from pcr positive patients that had been seen in san francisco hospitals. and three weeks out after the beginning of symptoms, we saw it in seven out of ten of these lateral flow tests. they were over 90% positive. for the negative samples we took them from blood donors that took blood before august 14th. these would be true negative samples before the covid-19 outbreak. so, in that case we found at least three tests that were over 98% specific whereas others had high false negatives. i think that really highlights the importance of our work, that we need to do rigorous and systematic validation of these tests before it can be rolled out widely. >> alexander i see you shaking your head. on top of a health antibody test, health experts say we don't know how long immunity lasts. how does that affect our ability to reopen if we want to reopen
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the economy and businesses and so on? how does this affect the ability to do that? >> i think that we're racing at incredible speed to answer questions that are just going to take time. goe we're going to need systematic studies starting with this to try to get reliable tests and then further tests which are starting now. they're happening quickly. people are racing to come together, collaborations to ask the next steps. do the antibodies actually protect cells from virus, and most importantly will be the studies among people to see if people who have antibodies are protected from reinfection. we'll get those answers. it's just going to take time and rigorous study. >> it's very interesting conversation, alexander and patrick. thank you so much. i appreciate your time. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. experts say that the u.s. would are to conduct 5 million tests a day by early june to reopen safely. president trump said yesterday the country could do that before claiming today he never said it. we're going to get down to the
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. president trump tonight contradicting his own administration's guidance on testing claiming widespread testing isn't necessary as states move to reopen. >> some astonishing numbers. i don't know that all of that's even necessary. you have some governors that love the tests. you have others that like doing it a different way, an old fashioned way with some testing. but we're going maximum testing. >> so, here with the truth about testing, cnn's drew griffin. drew, good evening to you.
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you've been following testing from the very beginning. have you spoken with anyone who agrees with that? >> well, just to define what we're talking about, i think he's saying that some governors are saying that they liked doing it the old fashioned way with just not a lot of testing. no, i haven't heard anybody that agrees with that. everything i'm hearing is that we need to test more and more people so we know where this virus is, how to find these people, and how to contain the virus. so, the answer is no. and the other answer is i really am not sure if i understood what he was saying, don. >> from your understanding, the answer is no. so, listen, president trump, he's trying to backtrack a separate claim about testing. i want you to listen. this is what he said yesterday and then today. here it is. >> saying you're confident you can surpass 5 million tests per day. is that -- >> we're going to be there very soon? somebody started throwing around
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5 million. i didn't say 5 million. somebody said 5 million. i think it may have been the harvard report. there was a report from harvard and they said 5 million. [ inaudible question ] well, we will be there but i didn't see it. >> how many test dos we need, drew? >> it depends on what you need to do. that 5 million tests per day is a study that came out by harvard and it's actually 5 to 20 million tests a day based on what kind of containment do we want to have. do we want to test as many people as we possible can, send around the trackers to track them down, make sure we know where this virus is. mr. trump may have been backtracking on that because he got word that it's just almost impossible to do that kind of test. his own at the health and human services department, the person if had charge of testing told "time" magazine, i put up a quote, there's no way on earth
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or this planet or any other planet that we can do 20 million tests awe day or even 5 million tests a day. that's what we hold "time" magazine. the fact is the president did say we could do 5 million. we're going to get to 5 million. now he's learning we can't get to 5 million, so i guess he's backtracking on that. >> would it be nice to do 5 million a day? it would. we're only doing 200,000. it's really out of the question to even talk about it at this time. if we doubled testing right now, we would get to 400,000, 500,000 a day. those are good numbers to at least know we're testing everybody who needs a test. but, don, again, these numbers are all over the test to. test the kind of test we want, testing people to go back to work to make sure they're safe, you're in the millions a day. and that's a big, big number to achieve given where we are. >> listen, testing in short supply still. now we're learning -- we're hearing that he may never --
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that we may never be able to meet the demand. so, what do you know? >> that's exactly the problem. i think this is where reality is kind of coming to grips with this administration. the supply line problems that we've been talking about on this show, don, for a month and a half are not fixed. the capacity problems at big labs, although they're increasing, you're not seeing these huge leaps in increasing amounts that we would need to get anywhere near 5 million tests a day. so, just the whole world cannot test this much and compete for this many resources at the same time. it's not achieveable. i don't know what the answer is. i know these models are coming out saying we need to test 5 to 20 million people a day in the united states. i don't know how you get enough resource together to do that. right now, as i said, we're struggling to do 200,000 a day.
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"tampa bay times" is reporting florida officials have stopped medical examiners from releasing their count of coronavirus deaths. and that's leading to questions about how complete the state's own tally ak dhctually is.
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the state of florida is responding to reports of discrepancies in the tally of deaths caused by covid-19, that
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as florida governor ron desantis is announcing plans to reopen his state. let's get to randy cade for more. "the tampa bay times" says kept by 22 medical examiners from being released publicly and that those numbers could be 10% higher than the health department's list. what is the department of health saying now? >> reporter: well, first of all let me point out that the county medical examiners, don, have been keeping lists like these for decades. they do this during crisis time. they've always made those lists public until now. the state department of health is saying no more. you cannot release this list. you cannot release this information anymore. the state according to the newspaper wants to review the list, maybe even redact some of what's on that list. the state wants to remove the cause of death and the case descriptions. so, cnn reached out to all the
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parties involved, the department of health, the governor's office. my colleague heard back from the department of health and they say they're following cdc guideline ifs had terms of how they report deaths in the state. the department of health said, quote, per cdc people are listed according to their place of residence. this ensures cases are nottist willed twice. for example, if a new yorker comes down to florida and dies from coronavirus in florida, florida's department of health would not record that as a florida death. they say that would be a new york death because that person was from new york. the medical examiner counts every person here. it's going to be interesting to see how or if these numbers will possibly sync up because you have the county officials counting every death and the department of health counting only residents, not visitors, not snow birds that come down here for the winter months. the florida department of health
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responding to that report saying reporting deaths by residency. governor desantis also announcing his reopening plan. notably absent from phase one, the three largest counties in the state, one which includes the city of miami. tell us about this plan. >> right. so, the plan is going to be that the state will reopen except for those three counties on may 4th. this is phase one of his reopening plan. and as you said, the governor's plan -- he says that he's reopening the state of florida. but what he's not reopening are the largest counties and the most populous area. those areas, those counties, make up about 30% of the state's population, more than 6 million people. so, all of those people will still be under a stay-at-home order. meanwhile, here's what is reopening around the state, don. you have restaurants, they're allowing outdoor seating as long as the tables are six feet apart. they're also allowing indoor
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seating at 25% capacity. the retail stores will be open with 25% capacity. elective surgeries can resume. golf courses are open slopgs you take your own cart. movie theaters, gyms, salons, spas, dog parks, skate parks, nursing homes still no visitors, and schools remain closed. i have to tell you at the press conference with the governor he spent about the first 20 minutes taking what you might call a victory lap. in those 20 minutes, he went on to blame the experts, to criticize the media for painting a more dire picture of what might happen in florida than what really did happen. he used graphics. he used newspaper headlines and to touted what he seemed to consider very low numbers here in florida. listen to what he said. >> facts should be comforting. we've done much better than
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everybody said we would do, and we're going to continue to do apply fact-based, data-driven approach to the problems that are before us. saying florida was going to be like new york was wrong, and people need to know it was wrong. >> reporter: so, the governor was quick to point out that despite these predictions, despite the fact there were headlines saying florida would be the next new york or the uber italy has one headline read, the state did not reach hospital capacity. he says florida has 6,000 ventilators standing by idle. so, the victory lap today and i'm sure the victory lap will continue as the new plan rolls out and florida will officially reopen. >> they should say thank you new york for the social distancing and it works. every doctor, every expert says social distancing works. so, that's should be the first thing out of his mouth. thank you, randy.
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certain businesses in georgia are now allowed to reopen. but many business owners are weary, striking a balance
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between needing to make money and staying healthy. joining me now, the owner of château de nails. i love the name, jenna. that's a great name. you wrote a piece in "new york times" why i'm reopening my georgia nail salon. jenna, again, i love the name of the salon. governor kemp announced the salons could open last week. you opened because you had customers who wanted to come back to your salon. >> yes. i -- originally, i was going to hold out. but when governor kemp had made the announcement, my phone blew up. i mean, it was just calls after calls. you know, clients trying to get in and book because they're stir crazy and they're trying to get in. >> you were careful when you first reopened because appointment-only customers, you know and trust. but, now, there -- you know, is there still enough demand to keep you going? >> there's not enough demand. we're still working off of clients that we do know. our regular clients. there's not a whole lot of wa
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walk ins and on regular days, monday, tuesday, wednesday, we're not getting much calls at all. and people are still scared. i have reached out to our client base just to let them know, hey, we are open, with precautions. and a lot of them had told me, you know what, jenna, i'm just going to hold fougout for a whi longer. i'm really scared. i can't leave. either their husband is sick t t home or they have a daughter that has asthma. you know, for whatever reason, they just can't take the risk. >> can you blame them? >> i don't blame them. even for myself, i'm scared to work, as well. >> it's -- you are scared to work but, yet, you reopen. tell me because that's a delicate balance. i'm sure you need to take -- you know, you need to handle your business. but you're also concerned about your health. >> trying to maintain the business, you know, i don't really know the right thing to do. my family is really upset that i am opening because they just feel like i'm putting everyone
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at risk. but, at the same time, you know, i have to -- i have bills that i have to pay. you know, my landlord still wants re wants to be satisfied. they want to be paid. >> the georgia state board of cosmetology and barbers guidelines include employees wearing masks, masks to clients, consider wearing face shields, masks, et cetera. items should be -- handwashing between clients. i mean, jenna, you're doing all of this? and -- and even more? >> yes, and we're also taking temperatures as they come in. making them sign not a contract but an agreement if they get sick within two weeks of visiting us, for them to give us a call. so we know how to handle the situation, you know, if they did get the virus.
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that way, you know, we could be at risk as well. >> what do you think you are going to do? because you said business is not good. do you think you'll end up closing? >> closing. i'm not open every day. i'm opening only on an as-needed basis until this thing progresses. then when there's more demand, i will extend my hours and days. >> it's really a tough position that you guys are in there, isn't it? >> yeah. it's horrible. and my staff, too, you know, we can't get unemployment for them because they're 1099 workers. so, you know, they're just sitting. they're scared. they're scared to come to work, but they're also, you know, needing to feed their families and put food on the table. >> yeah. what an odd position that we're all in. thank you so much, jenna. good luck to you. thanks. be safe. okay? please. >> thank you. >> thank you. thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues.
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♪ open. remember having that feeling for the first time? the first day you opened. the first day you had a customer, the first day you taught a class, had a client, a patient, a session. open... remember the night before you opened? who could ever sleep? open... but there's a different question we are being asked now. are you going to remain open? even when your doors are closed? open. that's how we show who we are. and there's another way to be open, to pull together - or push, depending on the door. and we are making it work and we will continue to make it work together. because open we stand.
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good evening. i'm erin burnett, and welcome to a special edition of "out front." tonight, a potential breakthrough in treating coronavirus. the fda planning to announce the emergency use of remdesivir after promising results from a clinical trial. dr. anthony fauci suggesting that this is a breakthrough. >> it is very important proof of concept because what it has proven is that a drug can block this virus. we think it's really opening the door to the fact that we now have the ability and i can guarantee you as more companies,


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