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open for business? with more than 50,000 americans dead, states begin to reopen. but is it safe for americans to go get a haircut or a tattoo? i'll speak to colorado governor jared polis and former georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams next. and medical advice? health officials rush to warn americans not to take the president's word when he mused about injecting disinfectants. >> i was asking a question sarcastically. >> for the latest, i'll speak to the white house coronavirus response coordinator, deborah
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birx, in moments. plus in the red. as more than 26 million americans file for unemployment in the last five weeks, democrats say help is on the way. >> we will be ready soon with our next bill. >> but with republicans opposed to what they're proposing, did democrats miss their last chance to get it done? house speaker nancy pelosi join me to discuss, next. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is anxious. two months ago today, february 26, president trump said we were a couple of days away from, quote, close to zero cases of coronavirus in the united states. today we're at over 900,000 confirmed cases and more than 53,000 americans dead. now, after weeks of near total lockdown, more than a dozen states across the country are beginning to reopen. in georgia, governor brian kemp is pushing an aggressive reopening despite warnings from officials, including president trump.
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but testing remains a huge issue across the country with governors scrambling to find enough tests, reagents, and other supplies to get more information about the spread of the virus in their states. we'll speak in a few moments with the white house coronavirus coordinator dr. deborah birx. but i want to begin with house speaker nancy pelosi who joins me from the capitol. speaker pelosi, good to see you, i'm glad you and yourself are well. you and your members traveled back to washington to cast your votes in person on that bill. but a new report in "the washington post" this morning says more than a dozen democrats think the house is failing to meet its constitutional mandate because it can't really legislate or oversee the coronavirus response. congressman denny heck says congress is ill-prepared. is it time to allow remote
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voting during a pandemic? >> they're two different issues. first, i'm very proud of our house democratic caucus. their unity, their ideas allowed us to have a bill that was much improved over what the administration was approving. the secretary of the treasury called me and said, i need a quarter trillion dollars in 48 hours. i said, i don't think so, we'll get back you to. when we did, with the leadership of maxine waters, chairwoman velasquez of the small business community, maxine of the banking committee, we were able to expand that initiative to include over $110 billion more for small businesses, and that was a very major achievement because it strove to -- what it strove to do was to say, no longer will we harden the lack of access to credit for small,
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women, minority-owned businesses, native americans, veterans, we opened the door. we'll have $110 billion in more loans and grants and the west and $100 billion for hospitals and testing. we think that was a good piece of work for those two weeks. yes, i share the frustration that they have about the committees, and we are -- i'm all for doing remote voting by proxy. i want it to be bipartisan. the republican leader, mr. mccarthy, has assured me he will consider this, he's not there yet, he could be there. whether he is or not, our process was to strive to make it by partisan. we will -- of course some of the members are frustrated because our physical presence isn't here to have a classified briefing where our presence would be necessary. but overwhelmingly, i was very proud that overwhelmingly our members participated with their
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ideas, made the proposal better, and worked with us to insist that we will have state and local in the next bill. the administration would not do that, despite chuck schumer working on that as well. >> let's talk about that, because you and senator schumer made this major concession on the most recent legislation because you -- >> it wasn't a concession. it wasn't a concession. >> no? >> i heard what andrew cuomo said and i respect him as a governor, but the fact is, they wanted 250 for the ppp. we support the ppp, we were part of developing it. small business, the entrepreneurial optimism of america, so we're for that. but we wanted to include more people, more money for the program, and the hospitals. it was always an interim bill. we always said that c.a.r.e.s.
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ii would be where we would go for state and local, and we will, in a big way. >> i just want to play the sound from new york governor cuomo because he says he needs the money for his state to save new york from an economic tsunami. take a listen to what he had to say. >> we've been talking about funding for state and local governments. and it was not in the bill that the house is going to pass today. they said don't worry, don't worry, don't worry, the next bill. i said to my colleagues in washington, i would have inside that state and local funding was in this current bill, because i don't believe they want the funds, state and local governments. >> so cuomo says he would have insisted on state funding in the last bill. and now senator mcconnell is saying he wants to push the pause button. was this a tactical mistake by you and senator schumer? >> just calm down. we will have state and local and we will have it in a very
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significant way. it's no use going into what might have been. the administration never even wanted to do -- i mean, when we said we're not doing 250 unless you open the door for these unbanked, we call them unbanked businesses who don't have a fancy banking relationship or this or that, senator mcconnell said, absolutely no, we're not doing one penny more than 250. and then analysis he passed on tuesday $480 billion with many of these increases including hospitals. and what we have said, we've been working on c.a.r.e.s. ii. on that we're including not only the outlays they have for the coronavirus but also the loss of revenue that they have. the governors are impatient. i'm a big fan of governor cuomo. my own governor, gavin newsom,
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has been so spectacular, my mayor, mayor breed. state and local governments have done their job magnificently. they should be impatient. their impatience will help us get an even bigger number. governor hogan of maryland, a republican, has been spectacular in all of this. it's many governors, many mayors, bipartisan, for us to get the largest amount. i'm sorry that we had to have an intervention because we were going from c.a.r.e.s. i to c.a.r.e.s. ii. we made the most of it. i say to members, judge it for what it does, don't criticize it for what it doesn't. it will happen. i think you see the response even from republican senators that mitch mcconnell was getting. >> one point of clarification that i was wondering, vice president joe biden's campaign
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told me earlier this month that he supported president trump's partial travel restrictions on january 31 blocking foreign nationals from china from coming to the united states. do you agree it was the right move by president trump at the time? >> let's go into the future, okay? actually tens of thousands of people were still allowed in from china. so it wasn't as it is described as this great moment. there were americans coming back, green card holders coming back. but there were tens of thousands. if you're going to shut the door because an evaluation of an epidemic, then shut the door. but let's go into the future. what the american people want is for us to have a plan to go forward. and our plan to go forward addresses their concerns. their first concern is that our heroes be taken care of, our health care workers, our police
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and fire, our emergency services, our teachers, our food delivery people, our transportation workers, our postal service, that they be taken care of because they are taking risks to do their jobs. >> right. >> secondly, they want their check, where is my check, my direct payment, my unemployment check. and the checks from this ppp. they have not all gotten them and we have to have oversight as to how quickly that should be moving. and the third thing they do not want, what they do not want is any taxpayer dollars at this difficult time being used by the big entities that received billions of dollars for anything other than to keep people at work. they don't want to see any buybacks, any corporate increases in pay, bonuses, dividends, and the rest of that. that makes them very angry. and we have oversight to do all of that. protect our heroes, support our
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workers, and we were very pleased, everything we did from the first bill, the c.a.r.e.s. bill, which was a corporate trickledown, to our bill, which was a worker bubble-up. we've done four bills, all in a bipartisan way, i'm proud of that. we just have to have a path to the future if and when we can open up. testing, testing, testing, tracing, tracing, tracing. isolation. and when we're ready, we'll go out there. but there's planning. it's a lot of time, what the president said, disinfectant in the body, they call that enba enbalming, that's the medical term. >> house speaker nancy pelosi, we're glad you're well and safe, we'll hear more about voting by
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proxy from you and leader mccarthy, thank you very much. white house task force coordinator deborah birx will join me next, stay with us. >> announcer: "state of the european" with jake tapper is brought to you by pharma, find out the latest about pharmaceutical companies.
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joining me, white house coordinator deborah birx, thank you for the work you do on the task force. there are more tests out there than tests being conducted. companies are not producing the reagents needed. there is a shortage of nasal swabs. labs have not added people or equipment to keep up with the demand. this problem has been going on now for more than two months. why is it taking so long to fix it? >> i think first, starting in march, we went to the diagnostic companies and asked them, that already had rna platforms, and that saved us a lot of times, to ask us to make tests for our platforms and all of them have done that. they have been rolled out over the last four to five weeks. that's really dramatically increased our capacity. for every lab, though, they now have six or seven platforms that they have to integrate and utilize. and labs are learning now how to bring all of those platforms up to hopefully double and increase
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our testing ability across the country, and to really align the needs, as you describe, there's capacity that tests are not being run, and i think ensuring that they have the swabs and ensuring that they have the tubes to transport the swabs in, and then ensuring that all the laboratory platforms are up and running, and that's the information we gave to the governors. there's over 5,000 pieces of equipment in the united states that can run these tests. and we're very excited to see all of those utilized. >> you remember, though, there was a vaccine for sars being developed back in 2003, and then dr. fauci tried to get a company to manufacture it but by then, sars had been taken care of, there wasn't as much of a dramatic need and so no pharmaceutical company manufactured it. in the free market system that we have, and i'm glad we have it, but there isn't the incentive for financial companies, for businesses to do things just out of the goodness of their hearts. and so the idea that the swabs
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are wanting, the reagents are not being produced, that's because these companies think that necessarily they'll be lucrative to do so. doesn't the president need to invoke the defense production act and force these companies to make these supplies so that we can get testing up and running? >> well, certainly he has, and he has utilized that. and i think what we've been doing, and i know it's not ever visible because it's behind the scenes, it's going company by company and at the same time getting fda to approve new swabs and new technology. i think every american will remember that we started just five weeks ago with this nasopharyngeal swab and now we've moved to five or six different swabs that can be utilized. different transport media that can be utilized down to even saline. this is what fda has been doing behind the scene, to unlock capacity day after day after day. and i think the question now, and i think you raise an important point, we know from
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protective ppe to many of the ventilators to many of the extraction reagents that really extract the rna so we can measure it, are not made in the united states. and i think this is really a wake-up call for all of america to really ensure that we have internal capacity, because everybody's supply chains are very stressed right now, whether you're in italy, i know you watch the data coming out of the uk, they're struggling with ppe. so is italy. fortunately we did not struggle with ventilators and i'm really proud to say that every american needed one has received one and that's very critical. but other countries weren't as fortunate. so there is amazing positives but there is also a real analysis that after we move through this into the summer months to really ensure that we have more vibrant internal -- at least northern hemisphere and north america supply chains that we can count on. >> right. several states across the country are now beginning to relax their stay-at-home orders
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even though the states do not appear to be following the white house guidelines which calls for 14 days of consistent downward trend in new coronavirus cases. are you concerned about a potential surge in new cases and deaths after these states take these actions? >> you know, i'm always concerned, and that's why we've put out key gating criteria. that gating criteria was not only looking at the epidemic. it was looking at the health care workers and making sure that the health care workers were protected and also looking at the capacity within the hospitals. the second page that people often aren't getting too is there's very important pieces in talking about the states that say, this is not just about diagnosing cases that you see them. over the last few weeks we're really beginning to understand how much asymptomatic cases and asymptomatic spread may be out there. so in that guideline is also to
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set up what we call sentinel surveillance or monitoring proactively in long term care facilities, in inner city clinics that have multigenerational households, in prisons, among native americans, to really ensure we find the virus before people even get symptoms. and that's a key part of this also, that sometimes i think is missing when we're talking about diagnosis and contact tracing. we also have to diagnose the virus before it is evident in communities. >> well, that's my point, because i don't know of any states that are up to the degree of readiness that you described in the white house presentation a week ago, especially when it comes to contact tracing, which for people who don't know, that's the ability of a state or a local government to, once they find somebody who has contracted the virus, get an investigator to find out every individual that that person has come into
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contact with in the last two weeks so make sure those individuals haven't gotten it from the person, from the patient, and perhaps self-quarantine. it seems like states are on their own to figure out how to do this contract tracing even though they're start to go relax these measures. the cdc website still says detailed guidance on contract tracing is forthcoming. i guess my question is, are the states ready for what they're doing given the fact that your guidelines seem to suggest and require them to be up to speed to a degree that i don't see any evidence that they are? >> one, cdc is increasing its presence in every state. two, governors and local officials have been extraordinary through this. the amount that they have had to learn, i mean, i do this for a living, i do it every day. they have learned to sample data from all of their counties, to work on the upscaling of testing, knowing where each piece of equipment is. and they have come up with parallel strategies in state
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after state to really be sampling in nursing homes and creating strike teams to support long term care facilities, at the same time setting up contact tracing for new cases diagnosed through emergency rooms, hospitals, and clinics. so those pieces are happening at the state level and the county level. and i think those governor calls that i'm privileged to be a part of really call out the best practices and governors are sharing with each other and i think that's extraordinarily powerful as they learn and we learn together how to do this more effectively. we've never had to do this before as a country. and so we're learning as a federal government how to better support the states and the states are learning how to share critical information about how we work through this together. >> antibody tests have become a key part of this recovery effort. the world health organization said in a new scientific brief on friday, quote, there is currently no evidence that people have recovered from
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covid-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection, unquote. do you agree with that? >> okay, so let -- w.h.o. is being very cautious. so let's talk about normal viral infections. so if you and i get a normal viral infection, we develop antibodies. some of those antibodies are what we call functional antibodies in that they can neutralize the virus. other ones are what we call binding antibodies and they help our cells that pull out those viruses and help eat them and kill them. so all of that is happening simultaneously along with what we call natural killer cells. that's all happening in your body. so when we talked about studying this, so the cdc is not only measuring antibody but they're also looking to see whether that antibody is neutralizing, is it a functional antibody. at the same time the fda and hospitals are collecting plasma
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and recovered people's antibodies and giving it back to sick people to see what impact it has. with all that data together, i think it will create a very clear picture about antibody. i think what w.h.o. is saying, we don't know how long that effective antibody lasts. and i think that is a question that we have to explore over the next few months and over the next few years. but i think everything that the w.h.o. said should be happening, we're doing here in the united states to help the american people. >> there was an odd moment on thursday when president trump at the briefing mused aloud about whether injecting uv light or disinfectant into the human body as a way to treat coronavirus could be something looked into. you were sitting right there. take a listen. >> i said, supposing you brought the light inside the body which you can do through the skin or in some other way. then i see the disinfectant
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where it knocks it out in a minute, a minute. and is there a way we can do something like that, uh, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs. >> dr. birx, i just want to give you the opportunity right now. what should the american people know about disinfectants and the human body? >> well, first, that was a dialogue he was having between the dhs scientists and himself for information that he had received and he was discussing. we have made it clear and when he turned to me i made it clear and he understood that it was not as a treatment. and i think that kind of dialogue will happen. i think what got lost in there, which is very unfortunate in what happened next, is that study was critically important for the american people. and you say why was that important. because we had an mit study just from a few weeks ago that
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suggests when people are talking and singing, aerosolized virus could be moving forward. what this study showed for the first time is that sunlight can impact that aerosolization outside. we're trying to understand why people should be wearing masks, because you could have asymptomatic infection and it will decrease your transmission to others. the half-life in the sunlight is really important to move forward and understand how we can effectively create decontaminations in different environments. >> look, get it, and i understand the importance of that study that the dhs official was discussing from the lab in maryland about the effect of sunlight on having or even more effectively the life of coronavirus, the effect of disinfectants on nonporous
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solids like doorknobs. but that's not what the president was musing about. he was talking about ways to take that science and somehow turn it into injecting uv light or disinfectants into the human body which as you know, especially with disinfectants, can be lethal. and the cdc had to issue a statement, lysol had to issue a statement. i understand that you're taking a generous approach to this when it comes to president trump musing aloud. but this is potentially dangerous. i mean, poison control centers got calls from people and they had to issue statements saying do not internally use disinfectants. as a doctor, doesn't that bother you, that you have to even spend any time discussing this? >> well, i think it bothers me that this is still in the news cycle, because i think we're missing the bigger pieces of what we need to be doing as an american people, to continue to protect one another, and we should be having that dialogue
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about asymptomatics, we should be having that dialogue about this unique clotting that we're seeing. we're the first country that really had young people to this degree. italy and europe is about eight years older than us as a median age. this is our first experience of this virus in an open society where we really can understand what's happening to every different age group. these are the things that we should be talking about and focusing on. so i think as a scientist and a public health official and a researcher, sometimes i worry that we don't get the information to the american people that they need when we continue to bring up something that was from thursday night. i think i've answered that question. i think the president made it clear that physicians had to study this. i think i've made it clear that this was a musing, as you described. but i want us to move on to be able to get information to the american people that can help them protect each other and also
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help them understand how devastating this virus is to different age groups and different symptoms and different comorbidities. >> well, i would agree with that. i would say that i think the source of the misinformation is not the news media on this. but dr. deborah birx, we appreciate you coming here and taking our questions and best of luck with your job, god bless you. >> thank you. several states are beginning to reopen but should americans feel safe going back out into the world? the governor of colorado will join me next. with high protein and 1 gram sugar. it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there. whoa-hoa-hoa! 30 grams of protein, and one gram of sugar. ensure max protein.
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welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper. on monday, the state of colorado will begin to reopen. and by the end of the week, people will be able to visit salons, tattoo parlors, and dog groomers, under strict recautions. joining me is the democratic governor of colorado, jared polis. governor, thanks for joining us. the white house guidance for reopening requires a decrease in confirmed coronavirus cases over a 14-day period. but when you look at a graph of coronavirus cases in colorado, on thursday and friday your state had the two highest numbers in the state since the pandemic crisis started, 718 on friday. your cases aren't going down, sir, they're going up. why on earth are you starting to reopen? >> first of all, what we're doing is we're going to a sustainable phase of social distancing that we can keep up. those two days are not the cases that are in those two days.
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those are from weeks before, that we finally found and attributed to those two days. so it looks strange on the graph, but we've also released the information that shows the steady trend over time. these aggressive interventions, the stay at home, has been effective in leveling and plateauing the curve which is absolutely critical, if we're going to sustain the social distancing for not just weeks but likely months, jake, likely may or june. there isn't an end day in site until there's a vaccine or cure. >> denver mayor michael hancock announced he's going to be extending denver's stay-at-home order dwigespite the state's ne guidance, adding, quote, we need to ramp up our tracing and testing capacity.
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how do you ensure your towns will be able to increase their testing and tracing capacity? >> we'll be working with denver, they have a very achievable goal. denver, 2,5they have 5% of thei population. we have counties with a very low rate, like mesa county. one of the first counts hit hard, eagle county, that was vail, world class ski area, it's been one of the first to emerge from the stay at home faceme ph. we're cooperating closely with counties across the state to meet their needs. >> the colorado school of public
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health says another spike is coming in your state in late july and that, quote, could be bigger than what we just saw. does that warning give you a moment of pause? >> yeah, we're all worried about a potential for a second spike, whether it's in the fall, along with flu season in september/october, whether it's july. it's why we've really been really laser focused as an administration on figuring out how we can endure and sustain. these kinds of social distancing measures, our target is 60, 65% social distancing from the way people used to live, and how we can do that over a period of months in a psychologically sustainably well and of course an economically sustainable way that meets the health goals of the state. >> starting on may 4th you're going to allow offices to reopen with reduced workforce. if you see cases start to spike again as jonathan sammet warned
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about, will you reissue the stay-at-home order? >> we'll have to adjust, and we expect we'll have to adjust the degree of social distancing in real time, meaning we're going to look at those early indicators, the mobility data. we're going to look at disease data. we're going to look at a number of different proxies. and as we need to, adjust it in real time. may 4, offices are going back half-capacity. they need to have that social distancing. half the number of people in their workplace than they used to, they need to make sure they're spacing people appropriately. they need to make sure members of their workforce who are over 65 or who have other high risk aspects like asthma, are continuing to work from home and telecommute. every business that doesn't have to open right away should wait a few weeks, take their time and make sure they do it in as safe a way as possible. >> governor, this might be the most important decision that you
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ever make, and this might be the most important crisis that you ever have to face as a public official. are you worried that you're making a decision that could theoretically cost your constituents their lives? >> we always wish, jake, that i had next week's information and next month's information available to me today. that's not the world we live in. we have to make the best informed decisions based on data and science with the information we have. what we know is that what matters a lot more than the date that the stay at home ends is what we do go forward, and how we have an ongoing, sustainable way, psychologically, economically, and from a health perspective, to have the social distancing we need at the workplace, where people recreate and across the board. otherwise, if we can't succeed at doing that on an ongoing basis, the stay at home was for nothing, if it's not replaced with practices that are sustainable for the weeks and months it's likely to remain
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with us. >> all right, i hope it goes well, governor, thanks so much for joining us, appreciate it. >> thank you. black leaders say georgia's decision to reopen will hurt communities of color. stacey abrams will join me next to talk about that and why she wants to be your next vice president. stay with us. step by step, we're going to figure this out. we're gonna find a way through this. we're working really, really hard in hospitals, our nurses, our techs, all the docs. it's about staggering when people get sick so that the hospitals can cope. we're gonna go through an awful lot of these. all across puget sound, people have been stepping up and donating personal protective equipment. we stay at work. for you. you stay at home for us.
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welcome back to "state of the union." i'm jake tapper. the governor of georgia is moving ahead with his plan to reopen the state for business despite concern from health experts and mixed signals from
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president trump on the matter. governor brian kemp refused our request for an an interview. joining us now is georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams. you are i believe siding with president trump in being against reopening georgia. >> i give president trump no credit. he caused this challenge by tweeting for weeks that we should liberate our economies and when someone took him up on it he did what he normally does which is to bend to what public opinion is. but the problem is georgians are at risk. we have the 14th highest infection rate, the seventh slowest testing rate. i spent friday on a call with more than 200 people, having a conversation about southwest georgia where they still don't have adequate access to testing. they don't have the medical facilities. and they don't have doctors in a lot of these communities. we're not ready to open.
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and this is a dangerous decision. we cannot open an economy when the people who will power that economy are at risk. and until georgia can trace and track and treat, then we cannot reopen the economy. >> a coalition of civil rights organizations including the conference of national black churches and reverend al sharpton's national action network have said that some governors lifting stay-at-home orders are demonstrating, quote, reckless disregard for the health and life of black residents, unquote. our cnn colleague van jones called it a death sentence for communities of color. do you agree? >> i will tell you that in the state of georgia, african-americans comprise 32% of the population yet we're 54% of the deaths. and across this country, we know that in the navajo nation, their lack of access to testing and treatment has caused incredibly high death rates. we know that communities of color suffer from systemic
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inequities that can be addressed in this pandemic but only if the federal government pays attention and if states do what they can to protect the communities. that's why we have government, because individuals can't solve local crises like these. instead we need leaders willing to understand the mistakes of the past and prepare for the future. and we know that unfortunately, under trump and under kemp, the preparations haven't been there. in fact president trump undid things that could have prepared us for this moment. no matter where we are, we deserve the protection of our government and deserve the treatment and support that should come, not this rush to reopen. >> staying on reverend sharpton, "the new york times" reports he's planning on endorsing you as soon as next week to be joe biden's running mate. biden says he's going to choose a woman as his running mate. do you think biden can win if his running mate is a white woman or does he need to choose a woman of enclose are to win?
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>> vice president biden has done this job. he knows what he needs to do to win and what he needs to do to help our country recover from four years of incompetence and chaos. i trust joe biden to make the best decision. he has a smart team around him. he has no shortage of good candidates to choose from. certainly for the african-american community and communities of color because of this pandemic there's a great deal of distrust because these communities are being left to survive on their own often without the support that they need from those who are called to lead. i want to make one thing very clear, joe biden enjoys the trust of communities of color and he will take no one for granted. i believe he will make the right choice based on what he understands and what his team recommends that he do. >> biden is already saying to a lot of criticism from conservatives that president trump might try to influence the 2020 election, he might try to
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postpone it, suggesting he's threatening to defund the post office in order to block voting by mail. will democrats accept the election result if president trump wins in november? >> first of all, i refuse to concede that will happen. here's the challenge. we know that the republican party has invested millions of dollars in fighting access to safe and accessible elections. we saw they went to court to force wisconsin to hold an election that has caused covid cases to rise in those communities when people had to stand in line. we know voter suppression is real in our country but we have an antidote. that is vote by mail, in-person early voting and in-person election voting. vice president biden understands how critical this election is. with four decades of experience he also knows the tricks republicans will use to block change. we can't survive another four years with donald trump, and that's why my organization, fair
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fight 2020, is working nationally in 18 states to ensure that we have a president who actually believes in and trusts the american people. >> but is it responsible for vice president biden to be raising what some are calling conspiracy theories about president trump pushing the election, blocking the election, stopping the post office so they can't deliver absentee ballots? is that responsible? >> i think what is the most responsible thing is call out what's happening as it does. president trump has said he believes vote by mail if it is allowed for the population to use this very safe and accessible way to vote, that he doesn't believe he can win. so as a fall low follow-up, he want that as a way to vote. he said he is willing to fund the post office, which is essential for vote by mail ballots, but also medication and other resources. it's not a conspiracy when you're repeating back what the president has said, he doesn't
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want people to have the voice they need in our government and he doesn't want to maintain the infrastructure. unfortunately vice president biden has watched as has the rest of americans as donald trump has dismantled infrastructure that we need to protect ourselves and protect our democracy. south korea just held national elections. president moon was able to hold an election in the midst of a pandemic that achieved the highest rate of turnout in 30 years. if south korea can do it, america can. vice president biden will make sure america continues to be a leader in democracy. >> i asked michigan governor t whitner about being the possible running mate for biden. they played coy. you're openly advocating for yourself to be picked as the running mate, why? >> i would say this, i've been asked this question since last
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year. i was brought into the national conversation, and i've been very honest about my willingness to serve. as a young black woman growing up in mississippi, i learned that if you don't raise your hand, people won't see you and they won't give you attention. but it's not about attention for being the running mate, it's about making sure that my qualifications are not in question, because they're not just speaking to me, they're speaking to young black women, young women of color, young people of color who wonder if they, too, can be seen. my responsibility is to follow the process if included and i just joe biden and his team will put together a process that will pick the best running mate for him. fundamentally it's his choice. what i try do is tell the truth and be direct, but i understand there's a process that will be at work and that he has no shortage of qualified candidates to choose stacey abrams, thank y much. >> thank you for having me.
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some folks are having trouble wrapping their heads around things, after hearing from a department of homeland security official about ways the biology of the novel coronavirus was being studied and the virus's susceptibility to sunlight and ultraviolet rays in the air and to disinfectants on nonporous solid surfaces such as doorknobs, the president mused aloud about injecting ultraviolet rays and disinfectants into the human body. >> i said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do, either through the skin or -- or in some other way. theni it see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets on the lungs.
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>> injection of disinfectant into the human body, it's the kind of musing that is so nonsensical children laugh about it. it's also the word of the president of the united states of america, a man so beloved and trusted in some circles government emergency tip lines had to issue warnings for constituents to not use disinfectants to treat the virus. lysol had to issue a public warning to consumers that under no circumstances is internal admission of disinfectants appropriate. after the president's statement, his new press secretary, who is apparently so eager to defend her boss, she seems to not understand that we can all hear the words she says and read the words she issues, she claimed the president was taken out of context. he, of course, had not. his musings were there for all to see and hear. and then the president
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undermined his own press secretary by claiming he had been sarcastic and he was challenging reporters, which was just a bald-faced lie. in an attempt to spin this, the president said to a reporter that surely the reporter understood he was being sarcastic because the president said it right to him, and the reporter told the president that he had not been there at the time. >> some thought you needed to clarify that. >> all they had to see -- you know the way it was asked. i was looking at you. >> no, sir, i wasn't there yesterday. >> we're running out of words to describe this era. republicans in congress and in the trump administration know that not only is the president failing to rise to this moment to, for example, get the nation on a path to widespread testing, the president is now making open ponderings about treatments that
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experts worry could actually harm people. his anti-scientific musings have been dangerous. we saw this with his weeks of downplaying the virus, two months ago today the president said he had done a good job since the u.s. had only 15 cases, which would soon go down to almost zero. then the president was pushing the use of hydroxychloroquine. what have you got to lose, he said? well, the fda on friday issued a caution against the use of that drug outside of a hospital or a clinical trial due to the risk of heart rhythm problems. republican leaders need to acknowledge the reality of the situation. they need to intervene. they need to convince president trump to defer to the experts and focus on the needs of not his ego but the sick and the dying and the people trying to care for them. there is going to be a history of this era written. and those who are pretending this irresponsibility is not
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happening, they will be remembered as villains. thanks for spending your sunday with us. fareed zakaria "gps" starts now.
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