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questiwe begin? washington. a deal on a small business loan package may be done as early as today. the proposed plan calls for an extra $310 billion into the paycheck protection plan for small businesses. funds from the initial $350 billion emergency coronavirus relief package ran out within weeks. here's treasury secretary mnuchin and house speaker pelosi. >> hopeful, close to a deal today and hopeful we can get it done. >> i think we're very close to agreement. >> cnn's jeremy diamond joins us now from the white house. jeremy, how close is this deal to being finalized? >> reporter: well, if you listen to the secretary, mnuchin, house speaker nancy pelosi as well as senate moo noinority leader chu schumer, on the 10 yard line of getting the agreement. secretary mnuchin talked about a
timeline for getting it passed by both houses and says it could be on the president's desk by middle of the week, hopeful we can reach agreement that the senate can pass this tomorrow and the house take it up on tuesday and wednesday we'd be back up and running. >> reporter: this is the result of more than a week of negotiations between democratic lawmakers and the white house. treasury secretary mnuchin has been leading those. looks like what the results will be, about $310 billion for this pay roll protection program. another $75 billion for hospitals, $25 billion for testing. those last two items are something that democrats pushed for. earlier in the week republicans criticized them for not just passing this pay roll protection program just straight with nothing additional. this is what they were pushing for and it appears it will be in the bill. one item not in the bill, though, it appears, is the $150 billion for state and local governments. that democrats pushed for this.
mnuchin this morning indicating that could be included in any future measures passed by congress. >> and jeremy, we heard from new york governor cuomo who says federal funding is key to helping them do the best they can for their states. the president had comments about that yesterday. >> they don't want to use all of the capacity that we've created. we have tremendous capacity. dr. birk will be explaining that. they know that, the governor, know that. the democrat governors know that. they're the ones that are complaining. >> jeremy? >> reporter: that's right. what we have also seen is that the governors have pushed back on what the president is saying. the president keeps trying to shift blame on to these governors when in reality what these governors are saying is it's not they don't want to use the capacity or unable to use the capacity but because they are missing critical items to
conduct these tests. listen to some of the governors speaking about just that. >> i think this is probably the number one problem in america, and has been from the beginning of this crisis. the lack of testing. the administration, i think, is trying to ramp up testing. trying -- they are doing some things with respect to private labs, but to try to push this off to say that the governors have plenty of testing and should just get to work on testing, somehow we aren't doing our job, is just absolutely false. >> the president and vice president saying over the past few days that the u.s. has enough testing capacity for states to begin opening back up, if you feel you're ready to go into phase one. is that the case in virginia? do you have enough tests to do the tests you need to do? >> that's delusional, to make statements like that. we have been fighting every day for ppe and we've got supplies now coming in. we've been fighting for testing.
it's not a straightforward test. we don't even have enough swabs, believe it or not, and are ra ramping that up. for the national level to say we have what we need and really no guidance to the state levels is just irresponsible, because we're not there yet. >> would be nice if we had a national strategy working with the states so every state knew precisely what was coming in, but end of the day, you know, we governors are doing the best we can with what we've got. we could use assistance, though, to make sure that the supply chain issues are addressed, and we can do the robust set offing every epidemiologist says in the country is necessary to reenter sectors of our economy. >> reporter: a unifies and coherent message from governors both democrats and republicans, which is they need help from the federal government to scale up testing to the point where they can begin to reopen their states' economies. of course, the message we heard from the president not only
blaming those governors and suggesting it's only democrats who are having these problems, also been willing to claim credit in the past for successes in testing improvements, but now, of course, he says it's the governors' responsibility to ramp up testing further. fred? >> jeremy diamond, thaushg so much thank you so much from the white house. treasury secretary steve mnuchin also addressed that matter. >> so it sounds as though there will be enough money for testing, for hospitals, for small businesses, but doesn't sound like state and local government funding will be in this bill at the very least? >> the president has heard from the governors and he's prepared to discuss that in the next bill. right now we have a lot of money that we're distributing to the states. we have $150 billion that we've distributed half. we'll distribute the other half and the president is willing to consider that in the next bill but wants to get this over the finish line. >> cnn's evan mk mor icmorris s is in new york. we heard the governor talk about the need for federal funding.
is that answer going to be enough for, to meet his concerns? >> reporter: well, hi, fred. from what is which you feelly a beautiful spring day in new york city today, the governor mentioned in his press conference today, look, one of the thoeft moomost future-focus the crisis began. talking about moving on to the next phase, maybe the peak has come, maybe start talking about the future, but in order to move this state, still remains epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic here, into the next level, he needs to increase testing. needs increased capacity for testing and something he cannot do without dollars from washington. >> if you don't help the state and local government how are we supposed to have the finances to reopen? and if you don't give state and local governments support, you know, we're the ones who support the schools.
we support the police. we support the fire. we support the hospital workers. we support the transit workers. so if you starve state and local government, all that means is, we have to turn around and reduce funding to the people who we are funding. >> reporter: so this is bottom line of all of this, according to the governor. basically, he's saying that the state, which has been hit like everywhere else, needs an unflux to money to help get itself up and ready to reopen. that's the kind of conversation that we've been having about businesses. we've been having about other places across the country, and cuomo has been saying for weeks and weeks and weeks now that he needs some of that focus to be on state governments and local governments. you heard secretary of treasury saying maybe the next bill. the governor saying, we can't do the reopening that nields to be done until we become some of that focus, too. >> evan mc morris-santoro, thank
you so much. all right. more than 1,300 inmatest it had positive for coronavirus at three separate facilities. along with more than 100 staff members. this as we're learning at least one of those workers has now died. cnn's omar jimenez joins me with more. what more do we know about these outbreaks? a huge number. 1,300 inmates. >> reporter: heal really is. that number exploded in a number of days within the ohio department of rehabilitation and correction. the most significant outbreak at least so far seems to be out of the marion correctional facility just north of cluolumbus. a slight uptick and made the decision to test everything, staff and inmates. as the results come back more than 1,000 inmates at that
single facility tested positive. keep in mind, the total population there is 2,500. almost half. then as you touched on earlier more than 100 staff members tested positive along with one staff member who died. the numbers, shocking agency they may be, aren't the full piece of this story. another part of it comes from how these cases are spreading. for example, one of the dorms at that marion correctional facility holds around 150 inmates. while 60 tested positive, according to officials there, all 60 were asymptomatic, which is part of why the state and the correctional facilities there have sent in sanitation crews to deep clean some of the public space areas within that, within the jail there's. and then also cut down visitation and even cut down on meal times as well. to reduce the time inmates spend together. these aren't just unique to the ohio correctional system but
issues we see across the country. chicago's cook county jail, at one point, the jail had the largest single known source for coronavirus infections in the country and they've released almost one-fourth of their entire population as precaution. this is an explanation behind doing that. >> make sure we're providing decisions whereby people who don't need to be there and the people who are there have optimal conditions for their health and safety. >> reporter: some of the exact inmates they've tried to focus on are those low-level non-violent offenders, again, to try and cut down the proximity inmates are sometimes forced to be in. fred? >> omar jimenez, thank you so much for that. a key health official on the white house coronavirus task force says it's unclear how long
immunity lasts for those that had the virus. today dr. deborah birx says more tests are needed to see if that's the case with coronavirus. >> that's why the studies going on with plasma and giving plasma to sick pashgtients seeing if i helps the individual who is sick as well as doing studies wick vaccines, seeing if the antibodies are effective. these are questions we still have scientifically. >> doctor, megan rony is an associate professional at john university medical school. doctor, good to see you. >> thank you for having me on today. >> what's your reaction to that? i think there's been great hope out there that if you, you know have had coronavirus, you have developed a certain immunity, but dr. birx said still unclear? >> i'm really glad dr. birx
acknowledged this area of uncertainty today. a lot of us in the scientific community and on the front lines of medicine are still wondering whether or not we and our patients are going to develop immunity to this novel coronavirus. to take it back a step, there are really two types of tests. right? testing for if you're actively infected, measures little bits of virus in your body, and then the tests dr. birx talked about today. usually blood tests and they measure whether your body has mounted a response to the virus, and whether it's going to stay protected from the virus. if you're going to be able to fight it off, if you're exposed a second time. this is really important, because if we have immunity, then we can put people back out into work and know they're not going to get sick. if we're yot developing immunity, expose the to virus and don't develop antibodies, it mean wes can means we can't go back to work
and have have to prepare differently going back to work against the fight of coronavirus. >> a member of the task force saying that it's still unclear, yet the same task force is also saying, okay. let's soon get back to work. i mean, can you have it both ways? >> no. i don't think you can have it both ways. i think it's really important here that we don't get ahead of the science. the science on this virus, we know really basic things. like old school public health strategies like test for who's infected, contact trace and isolate people that are infectious, but so much we still don't know. we don't know if people have immunity aor exactly how the virus is transmitted. before we have those answers seems premature and dangerous to reopen the country. >> governments are asking for more funding to be able to test more people, as most as possible
or have proponents to a test. is rhode island able to test everybody needed? >> so the governor was on cnn this morning talking about the situation we're in. thanks to partnershipy with cvs in particular we've been able to dramatically expand testing so almost anyone who's symptomatic can get tested. however, the tests our department of health rely on many in the hospital rely on come largely from the federal government. we're still waiting on delivery of promised cartridges. we're still limited compared to where we would like to be in terms of the amount of testing. there's so much more that needs to be done in order for us to reopen and we're in the states with one of the best testing rates. other states across the country, they're in a far worse situation with less tests, less swabs, and would be in greater danger from reopening right now. >> so your governor did say that the state has yet to reach its peak. what is the expected peak?
>> we're waiting. there's a bunch of models out there to try to predict when we're going to hit the peak. currently we think it's going to be in a couple more weeks. still seeing cases and deaths climb. we've created extra hospital capacity in preparation for that moment. our state is trying its best to keep social distancing in place. hopefully we'll be able to stay at a plateau but certainly have not seen the case number of cases drop yet. waiting for the day to loosen restrictions and let people get back out to our local beaches, restaurants and get back to as much as possible to normal life, but we certainly haven't crossed that threshold yet here. >> all the best, doctor. thank you so much. be well. >> thank you. british prime minister boris johnson coming under fire as he recovers from the coronavirus. a live report from windsor, next. want to brain better?
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british prime minister boris johnson coming under fire for his handling of the coronavirus outbreak including missing key meetingser on where the response to the pandemic was being planned. this after johnson himself contracted the virus and was hospitalized. the uk now has more nan 120,000 confirmed cases and over 16,000 deaths. cnn's max foster is in windsor, england. max, what provoked this criticism, and now? >> reporter: fredricka, a narrative that's been building, really, since boris johnson left hospital. it really blew up today following an investigation in a british newspaper.
>> good afternoon. >> reporter: while the british prime minister boris johnson recover, from the coronavirus a week after leaving hospital, he's not proving immune to criticism of how he's handled the crisis that's killing around 800 brits a day. a bombshell in the "times" sunday claiming he was asleep at the wheel during a critical period at the beginning of the outbreak. starting in january he skipped five national security briefings focused on coronavirus. cnn reporting shows the first cobra national security meeting attended march 2nd. on one of those days, he still managed to make time for this lunar celebration on downing street. a senior advisers told the "times," he didn't work weekends. it's a characterization that gels with what former colleagues of johnson's have told cnn in the past.
harry mount, who edited johnson's journalist said it's the important stuff he finds boring and does get bored and doesn't do boring. in response to the article, a downing street spokesperson tells cnn that the government has "been working day and night to battle against coronavirus." "that it's always guided by scientific advice." a senior government administer acknowledged johnson skipped the meetings but called the actions of truancy grotesque. >> there are meetings, the truth, chaired by health secretaries and some other ministers. the prime minister did all the major decisions. >> reporter: absent or not, it's undeniable like the u.s. britain waited longer than others in instituting a lockdown. medical advisers openly worried about people getting fatigued with staying at home. >> this is going to be a long haul and very important we do not start things in advance of need. >> reporter: the government's top scientific experts openly
news about purposefully keeping healthy people on the streets to develop so-called herd immunity. >> it's not possible to stop everybody from getting it and not desirable. you want immunity in the population. we need immunity toy protect ourselves from this in the future. >> reporter: the government now says it was never pursuing herding immunity. amongst the article's other claims in focusing so much on brexit, leaders lost sight of pandemic prepareds in and years of posterity left years of personal equipment dangerously low. that ppe shortage has become the critical issue this weekend with doctors reporting they're running out in hospitals and now foer forced to re-use the gowns. not the system in place. worrying doctors, and to make matters worse a shipment of 400,000 gowns, imported from turkey, have been delayed.
amidst huge amounts of pressure on the government tonight, fredricka, because they simply weren't prepared for the amount of ppe required. putting lives at risk. >> frightening prospects there. all right, max foster in windsor, england. thank you so much. relief could be coming for small businesses across this country. treasury secretary stephen mnuchin says he's hopeful that a deal can be reached soon with democratic lawmakers that would provide billions to those businesses. we'll have the details, and what it all means for you. a lot of folks ask me why their dishwasher doesn't get everything clean. i tell them, it may be your detergent... that's why more dishwasher brands recommend cascade platinum... ...with the soaking, scrubbing and rinsing built right in. for sparkling-clean dishes, the first time. cascade platinum.
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available to small businesses in a matter of days. >> i'm hopeful that we can reach an agreement that the senate can pass this tomorrow and that the house can take it up on tuesday, and wednesday we would be back up and running. >> diane swonk is the chief economist for grant thornton. good to see you. so will this be enough for many small business whose got left out of the last batch of money? >> it certainly is good news. will it be enough is yet to be seen. unfortunately we're still chasing a moving target that's fast. talking almost $3 trillionful they approve this since march 3rd that's gotten back xboob in u.s. economy. it's chasing this moving target as fast as it's come and the vast majority not able to get to
it is still very large. small businesses are really struggling. we worry about the structure of the loans. designed for small businesses to rehire workers, which is great. bringing them back on pay roll. the problem doing it while still on shutdown. only for eight weeks time paid for that. paid as a grant if they make an effort to bring employment levels back up to february levels. that's great. then in eight weeks' time, they don't have the business to sustain the workers, we're back dealing with layoffs again. >> you mention small businesses unable to get access. banks. help people understand. banks distributed the last $350 billion and a lot of criticism how it was executed. so will that same method continue? with this new batch of money, potentially? >> well, they're trying to get out to non-traditional lenders, which is really important. many small businesses use their local credit union. that is a powerful shift, trying
to get this out in different ways to small businesses. also more emergency funding for small businesses where they can get emergency loan up to $10,000 sort of quickly. that's very important as well. we have to -- it is stunning to see how fast the economy has deteriorated and stunning to see how rapidly the even with all the -- >> seven weeks. >> -- all the glitches able to get the money out. it is still problematic. >> where do you see the need for improvement? in managing, distribution? or perhaps even the application process? the process of this money for small businesses so these struggling mom and pop shops can get some help? can get some of this grant money? >> well, the real issue is the bureaucracy. the small business administration was designed for bureaucracy and never to get this much money out quickly. we're having to course correct. the more we do that, get banks
online that's important. the fact is this was first come, first serve. those more sophisticated, had better banking relationships were first to get the money and then we ran out so quickly. we need to do, spread it to these non-bank lenders. not traditional lenders. small businesses, much more where they are. many small businesses don't have the sophisticated relationship with banks some of the larger borr borrows did. that's the mismatch a and we need to see it get to the small businesses. even then i worry what it will mean for the next tranche going forward. >> the treasury secretary is trying to be very optimistic here. saying that the u.s. economy will recover in months not years. we're talking about the plummeting of an economy in just seven weeks' time. do you see that a recovery will take months, not years? >> well, there's a difference
between a ramp-up and if we ramp up too quickly we could be in a place like singapore and have to go back on lockdown. not what we want to see pap modest rebound and back to square one. our analysis suggests, no transfer to the state, well over two years to reach the high peak point on the level of economic activity we saw prior to the crisis. better than the great recession but abysmal compared to what we've seen in a less period of tile. states need a transfer of funds. there is protesting in this new tranche they're talking about which is great, but the states are going to have huge holes in their budgets. we know from the great recession at the very moment we could be ramping up they have to do draconian cuts in budgets cutting essential personnel. >> you heard that from the governor today. >> slowing down the great
recession time. >> and talking huge cuts. 50%, in education and then cuts in the places you really don't want to see it. hospitals. >> exactly. >> all right. it's a frightening reality check. diane swonk, thank you so much. meantime, protesters gathered in several state capitals to voice opposition to stay-at-home orders issued to slow the coronavirus. one demonstration is happening in austin, texas. we'll talk to the mayor of that city about the protest straight ahead. ♪
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as state leaders roll out plans to begin reopening in the coming weeks demonstrators in several cities defied social distancing rules to demand restrictions be lifted right away. cnn's natasha chen joins me now with more on protests to stay-at-home orders. what are you hearing? >> reporter: fred, there was another protest like this in colorado today. one of the organizers told and affiliate of ours they felt the state government overstepped its bounds. those very state and local measures are exactly what the trump administration has asked these leaders to do, dependent on the circumstances in their regions. [ chanting ] >> reporter: protesters stood shoulder to shoulder in many states over the last several days -- to voice frustrations with stay-at-home orders and demand an end to the economic shutdown brought on by coronavirus. >> freedom and liberty. we're losing it!
>> reporter: ignoring social distancing measures that had been company slowing the deadly pandemic spread, many gathered at the steps of state capitals directing anger towards governors whom president trump criticizesed saturday. >> some of the governors have gotten carried away. >> reporter: it's the trump administration who told the very state governors to enact state-by-state mitigation efforts. asked about those who chose not to listen to his own administration's guidelines. >> -- protesters to listen to local authorities? >> i think they listened. i think think listen to me. there seem to be protestors that like me and respect this opinion. >> reporter: and they did evidenced by the trump 2020 flags and following what the president called for, liberate michigan, minnesota and virginia. >> this is just grossly irresponsible. and it is dangerously bombastic, because it inspires people to do dangerous things. >> reporter: those who dangerously flouted the rules to
protest their governor the authority said it was out of frustrati frustration, i'm a small business other than. >> my business shut down force fwli on the 10th of march and i have yet to see money come through from the government, no paycheck and the definitive answer when i will return to work and i don't think that's right. >> reporter: december separation high, but so is the risk. >> with all due respect i think anybody who thinks we're doing this just to take away people's liberties and rights, isn't looking at the data that we're looking at. we're doing what we're doing to try to save lives. >> reporter: another rally is happening later today in oh olympia, washington. the organizer there told cnn that in his case, he's not being funded by any large groups. he's organizing this from his own convictions. he did say that he would prefer that participants abide by cdc guidelines and wear masks and stand apart from each other, but he wouldn't be policing that strictly, fred.
>> all right. natasha chen, thank you so much. joining me now to discuss, steve adler, democratic mayor of austin, texas, where protesters gathered this weekend. mr. mayor good to see you. so people chanting things like "you can't close america." "let us work," what's your response to them? >> i think everybody wants to open up the economy as much as we can, but the first priority has to be people's lives, and public safety, which means it has to be done in a way that protects those things. you know, i was a little concerned about the demonstration that we had here yesterday. fortunately, there weren't that many people. but i'm concerned there could have been a virus in that group, and that's how the virus spreads. people who are asymptomatic passing it, not knowing that e have it passing it on. participants in that were acting pretty selfishly and putting the community at risk. >> understandably, people are
exhibiting frustration, anxiety in a lot of different ways, but where do you think this is coming from? to go out and protest, to be in close quarters, when there are stay-at-home restrictions, everyone understands why stay at home. everyone understands why social distancing, but it is an overt expression to defy all of that. what's the real impetus? where do you think this is coming from? >> i think it's coming from two places. one is people are frustrated that they're out of work, and the economy's not working. i understand that. i mean tlshs , there is a healts and also an economic crisis, but among many of the people in that group it's also just a lack of appreciation of the science. of the -- great ineffectiveness of this virus and the lives being risked. i think that they're hearing things that would suggest that it's jut not that big a deal and
dangerous. >> do you think, perhaps you listened to the president yesterday at his briefing. do you feel he was encouraging demonstrations? >> you know, he certainly wasn't suggesting that people not do it. and i think that that's heard by those people as encouragement. i think the silence is taken as approval. it's unfortunate, because the messages we've 0 heard out of washington since the beginning of this have been messages that have been misleading, that have not conveyed the science and the data and the facts. that makes it harder at the local level when trying to gather an educated commune trying to make best decisions based on that science and data. >> how does this make it particularly complicated for you, leader of that city? how do you communicate to, you know, the citizens there about why the precautions and, you know, your taking and what
they're for? >> i think that by and large we try to put out the doctors out front so that the community can see that the kinds of things we're doing are -- are not partisan. they're not political. they are the indicated actions associated with the science and the data. so that's how we try to communicate. we try to be as open as we can. get out as much information as we can. >> texas governor greg abbott laid out plans to reopen your state in early may. a congressman says the effort to reopen the state is wrong and will cost lives. where are you on this? >> well, we don't quite know the answer to what the governor's going to do. he said that he's going to let us know on the 27th. but also he said that his primary priority was the public health and safety of the people in the community. he said that he would be guided by the science and the data.
we're going to hold him to that. he's hearing from some of the same experts we're hearing from here in austin. the whole thing has always been about finding the virus, isolating the virus and then treating it. that's what the shelter in place has been about, because we had gotten to such an extreme state. whatever we do in adapting the economy as we go forward and we'll probably do it in pieces and probably do it slowly. it's going to be quite a long time before we get back to anything that begins to look like what we came out of. but in that process, the priority still has to be, how do we do that in a way that enables us to appropriately find the virus, wherever it is. how can we isolate the virus so that it doesn't spread. how do you protect our most vulnerable like in nursing homes and how do we treat it? those three things. finding it, isolating and
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