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good morning. i'm erica hill. any minute now a dutch attorney will stand for a judge in washington and learn his punishment for lying to the fbi. this is alex van der zwaan arriving to court moments ago. this is a milestone, not only for van der zwaan, the defendant, but for robert mueller, special counsel who charged him, persuaded him to flip and will no doubt use him to help investigate others. evan perez is at the courthouse with more. evan? >> reporter: good morning, erica. alex van der zwaan is on the third floor at the federal courthouse behind me. and as you said, this is an important milestone in the robert mueller special counsel investigation. alex van der zwaan pleaded guilty to lying and conspiracy charges. one thing he lied to federal investigators about is his knowledge about information that rick gates and paul manafort, he worked with paul manafort and
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rick gates in the ukraine, he failed to tell federal investigators about rick gates apparently having contact with a russian intelligence agent. this is something that we learned just last week as federal investigators were getting ready for this sentencing. he's facing zero to six months in prison. we expect that he's probably going to end up getting closer to no time in prison. he's expected to -- his wife is expecting to have a baby in august. so that's one reason why we expect that perhaps he won't serve any jail time, despite the fact he's admitted to lying to the fbi. he's also facing a $250,000 fine as a result of this case. we know that obviously this is part of the special counsel investigation and this is a really big connection here between van der zwaan and paul manafort and rick gates in the fact that robert mueller is investigating collusion between the russians and the trump
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campaign. this is part of what the special counsel has been trying to put together in this case. and van der zwaan is a key connection as mueller makes that investigation go forward. erica? >> evan perez with the latest for us from outside the courthouse, thank you. also this morning, the special counsel defending its case against former trump campaign chairman and former client of alex van der zwaan paul manafort. mueller has a formerly secret memo. shimon prokupecz breaks it down for us. what does the memo say? >> reporter: all of this happening as a result of manafort's attorney challenging the special counsel's authorization to investigate paul manafort as it relates to ukrai ukraine. this memo lays out what the special counsel was authorized to investigate by rod rosenstein, deputy attorney general, and who is overseeing
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the russia investigation. but really the big piece of info here is there is an active collusion investigation relating to paul manafort, it shows this scope as it relates to manafort and there is two things here in this memo that is up on your screen now really that kind of explains it, this is an allegation that the special counsel is investigating manafort committed a crime, crimes by colluding with russians, and then also says that mueller is authorized to investigate manafort for money he received while working for the pro russian head of the ukraine, which are the charges he's now facing for that, for making that money, for not reporting it, from hiding it in offshore accounts. >> we're looking at all of that. there is also this wall street journal reporting about roger stone and wikileaks. we know roger stone has denied much of this. so -- why is it back in the headlines today? >> yesterday, the wall street journal reported that -- they claim in their story they had seen an e-mail that roger stone wrote to former trump campaign adviser sam nunberg, back in
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august of 2016, and in the e-mail, he wrote to sam saying that, quote, i dined with julian assange last night. obviously julian assange, roger stone, all under sort of the cross hairs here in the cross hairs of the mueller investigation because they want to know if there was any collusion, any coordination, between the release of the wikileaks, the e-mails of the dnc and the eventual e-mails that were released, john podesta e-mails, all of that is part of the special counsel investigation, roger stone has denied having any contact, having any dinners, with julian assange, but certainly the idea that he sent this e-mail to sam nunberg is of interest to the special counsel. roger stone claims he was joking with sam nunberg when he sent that e-mail. >> appreciate it, as always, thank you. joining me to break all of this down, cnn chief legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. starting off with this new memo
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we have in the filing here, and paul manafort's attorney who was challenging it, why are you going back, why are you looking so far back here? we know that rod rosenstein said, hey, go ahead and look into this if you need to. is any of that surprising? >> it is not surprising, but it just shows that the mueller investigation is like an iceberg. three-quarters of it is stuff we can't see. that blacked out area in that memo shows how many areas he's looking into that, you know, that have not been publicly disclosed yet. it is not a surprise. but it also shows how meticulous mueller has been about getting authorization from the justice department to do what he's doing, and how unlikely it is mueller -- that manafort will get the charges against him thrown out. >> let me ask you, it may sound like a simple question but i don't mean it that way, in terms of how meticulous robert mueller has been, why is it more important in terms of this
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investigation? >> it is important because, you know, his jurisdiction, at least according to the public disclosure, was so broad. basically anything related to the 2016 campaign and related matters. you could see why people would think, well, that's just outrageous, that's too broad a mandate. what mueller has done is he has specifically asked for authorization of each area he's investigating. we now know that the two areas related to manafort and another thing that is very important about it is that it is not just the charges that manafort already has been charged with, the misconduct relating to ukraine, it is also the 2016 campaign and collusion where, you know, one of the lines that the president and his supporters have made often is that, well, collusion is not illegal. mueller obviously thinks otherwise. that's what that first bullet point means, also very significant. >> is there a chance that paul
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manafort will flip, you think, after all of this. >> i think better than even chance. when you look at the magnitude of the evidence against him, plus the fact that rick gates, his partner and close associate has flipped, i think once these motions are declined, which i expect they will be, manafort will come under enormous pressure, given that he's just about 70 years old, and it is looking like, if he's convicted after trial, he may spend the rest of his life in prison. >> there is the alex van der zwaan part of the equation, we'll learn more about today. what are you expecting though will come out of that? what are we going to learn? >> i don't think we're going to learn -- the specific thing we'll learn is what sentence he gets. i think he'll get probation, not a prison sentence. the federal sentencing guidelines for first offense like this, where the defendant admitted responsibility, i just don't think a prison sentence is likely. what is unusual about this guilty plea, this early in the investigation, is that there is no cooperation agreement.
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he's simply cooperating because he was willing to do it. so, again, it suggests that this is someone who is really admitted his responsibility, and is trying to move on with his life, and someone that the government has not asked for a prison sentence, mueller's office has not asked for a prison sentence. i think it is likely he'll get probation. >> there is also in terms of the wall street journal saying now they have seen this e-mail involving roger stone, we heard this before, we heard his denial before, did that change anything? >> it is more evidence of possible connections between the trump campaign and wikileaks. roger stone being affiliated with, though not an employee of the trump campaign. now, i know roger stone very well, i've written about him a lot, the possibility he was joking in this e-mail is a real possibility. he's a joking fellow. but he also was talking a lot about wikileaks during the period when wikileaks was releasing e-mails that were
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extremely damaging to the -- to the clinton campaign, e-mails that are apparently hacked by russian government. so the special counsel is obviously very interested in roger stone's role, if any, and, you know, the explanation i was joking sometimes is not the most persuasive even though in this case it might be -- >> it could be true. we know e-mail can be misinterpreted. >> i never had one -- >> thank you. also this morning, president trump has a new message for embattled epa chief scott pruitt, keep fighting. he's also keeping up a fight of his own with amazon. cnn's kaitlan collins is at the white house with the details. good morning. >> reporter: that's right. we are reporting now that president trump did phone the epa administrator scott pruitt last night, per my colleague dan americaia, ia america, to keep fighting, keep your head up, we got your back.
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amid all the stories of scandal involving his living situation here in d.c. and his use of money over at epa and that we are also told that the chief of staff john kelly phoned scott pruitt as well this morning to essentially reinforce the president's message of confidence. of course, this comes as scott pruitt has surely felt his standing in the administration was on thin ice amid all of the cabinet scandals, but, erica, it is important to keep in mind here just what this vote of confidence from the president and from the chief of staff actually means for scott pruitt. and it is very unclear at this point because you have to keep in mind that they did the same with the national security adviser h.r. mcmaster expressing confidence in him one week before he was sent packing out the door and was replaced by john bolton. keep that vote of confidence from them in mind here, take it essentially with a grain of salt. but scott pruitt has certainly come under fire, there has been a rash of stories, negative stories, certainly on the white house's radar. i'm told by sources that people have stopped defending scott
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pruitt inside of the west wing to the president, to other senior administration officials, but there is no clear indication that scott pruitt has fallen out of the president's good graces in the way that david shulkin did. the president essentially let him twist in the wind for a few weeks before replacing him with the white house physician. but he really likes scott pruitt and likes what he's doing at the epa, just a few weeks ago he was quizzing people about what they thought about him replacing jeff sessions over at the department of justice. so it is important to keep in mind that it is not clear that the president is ready to fire him anytime soon. there is no clear replacement for him, and the president is expressing confidence in him for the time being. but, erica, with this administration, we have got to see just how long that can last. now, over on the president's twitter feed, it doesn't speak much about any of the scandals that surrounded his cabinet in recent days. he's tweeting about pretty much anything except that this morning. not just immigration, not just his predecessor, president barack obama, but also a tweet just a few minutes ago,
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continuing his fight with amazon, saying, quote, i am right about amazon costing the united states post office massive amounts of money for being their delivery boy. amazon should pay the costs and not have them borne by the american taxpayer. many billions of dollars. post office leaders don't have a clue, or do they? you see what's on the president's mind, just continuing to ratchet up this fight with the post office here on his twitter feed. no mention of what is going on at the epa with scott pruitt. >> kaitlan collins, thank you. as she pointed out, the president making full use of his executive time this morning. our panel is here to break it all down and we're tracking the markets after that monday sell-off. a lot of talk about amazon which we heard from kaitlan. mentioning on twitter again, stocks trying to rebound. how will the president's latest tweet impact the efforts? the northern percussion massage.
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moments ago, cnn learned that president trump called scott pruitt last night to deliver this message. keep fighting. we got your back. joining me now, molly ball, cnn political analyst and patty solis doyle and scott jennings. good to have all of you with us. as kaitlan collins just pointed out, we hear the message from the president, i got your back to scott pruitt that the president is happy with some of what he's seeing at the epa. molly that being said, we know how quickly things can change in the white house. what is the sense around washington in terms of the president's messages being put out there and what is really happening behind the scenes for scott pruitt? >> the sense in washington is that everything depends on trump's whim and trump's whim can change, can turn on a dime. we have seen cabinet officials forced out over these types of scandals of whatever caliber you consider them. tom price, david shulkin, and then we have seen some who are staying on, ben carson is still
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there, and scott pruitt, entangled in this matter, seems to have the president's support for the moment. you never know when trump is going to wake up on the other side of the bed and suddenly fire off a tweet and fire someone. i think that keeps everyone in washington on tenterhooks feeling like they're walking on eggshells. and not really certain how to stay in the president's good graces for that matter. >> it is remarkable what we have seen from people who have been fired in terms of how vocal and how honest they have been in terms of their displeasure, how broken they feel washington is. and most recently we're hearing from not so much who was fired, but related to andrew mccabe, jill mccabe penning this op-ed in the washington post where she's calling out the president and saying he's been lying about the timeline of events, and a good deal of what happened involving her and even her husband. scott, when you see this, this is her side of the story that we're hearing. we're hearing other sides of the story from andrew mccabe, david
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shulkin, rex tillerson. does it matter that they're speaking out at this point. as we know, this is a divided country and people hear what they want to hear. >> they're free to speak, just like anybody else is. i would say in a case of mccabe, his problems are related to an internal investigation at the department of justice conducted by a career fbi people. and he's going to have due process on what happened to him. i don't disagree that -- how he was fired and the way the president treated him was rough treatment. it was rough political treatment. but as it relates directly to mccabe's career, he's going to get a chance to go through a due process situation there and argue his side of the case. all of these people who leave government have every right to argue their side of it for their own personal public relations efforts. but the facts will stand on their own merits once they all become clear. we don't know everything that happened with mccabe, report has not been made public, i'm sure it will be in the near future. >> how damaging are some of these reports and folks speaking
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out after leaving. it is a shift in the way we typically see people speak out, even in just in terms of how quickly their talking out at this point. >> let me say on the jill mccabe piece, i found it a very compelling piece and one that really sheds light on the effects on real people and their families when it comes to donald trump's public attacks. and bullying, whether it is, you know, via tweet or, you know, via his bully pulpit. she spoke, nothing ever really preparing you for having a conversation with your teenage kids about what is about the public public onslaught. i felt it very compelling, number one. number two, on the people who leave trump's government speaking out, you know, you sew what you reap.
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when you treat people badly and publicly attack them, what you to expect? i don't think you should expect loyalty. they have been mistreated. and now they have a chance to speak out. and that's what they're doing. >> in terms of the president's tweets, we're hearing a lot from the president this morning, obviously. one thing i want to pick up on, though, is immigration. as we have been looking at this over the last 24 hours or so, and what we heard from the president, there is understandably a lot of backlash not just in terms of how it is being brought up and how the case is being laid out by the president in terms of daca, but also just the simple facts, how damaging is that, molly to try to move something forward for the president because we know there are still democrats and republicans in washington who are willing to continue to work together to find a solution. >> the president obviously is not trying to move anything forward. he's trying to blow up whatever -- whatever sort of meager attempts may still be in place. i think the fact that a court
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has stayed the suspension of daca has taken a lot of urgency out of it for the congress and so even though there are some still trying to work out some kind of agreement, republicans aren't going to do anything if the president doesn't have their back. this is a tough issue in the first place and if trump is going to basically attack the republican congress for whatever they try to do, they're not going to go out on a limb. you don't see -- there are a few, but you don't see a lot of profiles in courage on immigration among the republicans in congress. so, you know, what that means is that this is just stalled and trump tweeting about it and ranting about it is basically theater. theater for his base. he's sort of able to make up the ideas about what is actually happening that don't actually comport with reality, but to construct a situation where he can gin people up about an issue that he believes still very much exercises the people who like him the most. >> the president also tweeting this morning, once again, about
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amazon. we saw significant moves on the market yesterday over fear -- over not only amazon, fears of a trade war. scott, the president has owned the trump bump as we have seen since the inauguration. is the president going to own this as well if we continue to see fallout from his tweets over amazon, over the impact of these tariffs? >> yeah, i mean, he will own it. all presidents own the stock market, all presidents own the overall health of the economy, which is why it is unwise to try to equate the two. the stock market is not the economy. right now donald trump's economy is doing great. we have low unemployment, there was an article in "the wall street journal" this weekend, there are more jobs available in iowa than iowans to fill them. we have a humming economy, thanks to the fact they have reformed the tax code, and rolled back the obama regulatory state. we have a new pro business attitude in this country, leading to better jobs. that's what they need to be touting. that's what the president needs to focus on. focusing on the day to day match nation of the stock market is
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unwise whether it is up or down. i think in the case of amazon, the president is going to drill down on a point, amazon pays virtually no federal income tax. i think in 2017, they paid quite a bit of foreign income tax, but no u.s. federal income tax. i think if he sticks to a message that makes sense like that, the american people, he's going to have a -- he's going to be able to win that pr battle with amazon. i'm sorry their stock is falling. but it is a poor public policy question we have to ask ourselves. >> is picking on amazon the right way to go? >> you can argue both sides of the case. does amazon take up too much of -- or are they causing retailers to go out of business? but here's the real issue, i fear, is that he's going after jeff bezos and amazon because he doesn't like the coverage of "the washington post." that is the bottom line. that's why he's attacking amazon. he attacks cnn this morning. he's supporting sinclair.
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when he doesn't like coverage, he goes on the attack. and i fear that that's what's behind this amazon attacks and personal jeff bezos attacks. >> patty, molly, scott, appreciate it. thank you, all. speaking of stocks, let's head over to the new york stock exchange for a look at how the market is reacting after that monday sell-off. that's next. booking a flight at the last minute doesn't have to be expensive. just go to priceline. it's the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save up to 40%.
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questions about just how long he could last in his job as head of the epa as we learn that the president called him to say we have got your back. we'll continue to follow that. meantime, minutes ago, the president continuing his fight against amazon, tweeting the online giant cost the post office money. are the president's tweets now costing amazon? alison kosik is on the floor of the new york stock exchange. richard quest also with us. alison, how is it looking on the floor? >> you asked the question of whether president trump's tweets attacking amazon are costing amazon and the answer is yes. you look at that tweet just now, where president trump says i'm right about amazon, costing the united states post office massive amounts of money for being their delivery boy. amazon should pay these costs plus and not have them borne by the american taxpayer. many billions of dollars. post office leaders don't have a clue, or do they? so interestingly enough, amazon shares were up 2% before the
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president tweeted this. and guess what? amazon shares are now in the red. the entire nasdaq is in the red, so with one tweet, he literally moved the markets. that's why the, quote, bounceback we're seeing today with the dow up 86 points, the question is will it stick? a lot of the issues that plagued the market yesterday when we saw the massive sell-off continued to plague the market. number one, will the president continue tweeting and accusing amazon of things that just aren't true. let me tell you why. the post office, amazon does pay the post office for the post office's services. amazon pays a bulk rate, like every other bulk shipper, it doesn't get special treatment. it is not the taxpayers bailing out the post office, the post office is having money problems because it has to -- it has lots of retirement obligations that it is unable to pay. we have got this amazon issue floating out there with the president having direct impact on the stock and the nasdaq at this point. and then we have the issues of
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trade. will the president go ahead and unleash that second phase of tariffs on china, because then if that happens, china could then retaliate in a bigger way. you look at the bigger picture of how the president has impacted the market, the president impacted the market in a good way since he was elected in november of 2016. we saw the dow jump 8,000 points. since then, since the end of january, we have seen the dow lose 3,000 points. erica? >> alison, thank you. richard, as we -- as we heard from alison and seen the last 24 hours, the impact that a president's tweet can have on one company, what about other companies? >> i wouldn't worry about other companies becoming a target. i'm much more concerned with amazon. let's have a reality check about this. i've just checked. amazon has over 500,000 employees in the united states at the moment. it is one of, if not the largest
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single private employer. the u.s. government has 1.9 million employees in the united states. now, that makes amazon just about 25% of the size of the u.s. government. and here you have the president of the united states choosing to launch an all-out attack on one of the most successful companies in the united states in the last 20 years. now, you've got to ask yourself, what is the purpose of such an attack against amazon. if your goal is to start a proper serious discussion about post office taxation, then do it in a policy speech or a document or a white paper. but you don't do it in 280 characters or less. not without destroying volume, which is exactly what is happening at the moment. >> as we know, the president does tend to deal more with 280 characters. i want to dig deeper on this with you, the real possibility
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of a trade war, how much is that also weighing on the markets? >> the whole market is -- this whole place is terrified at the prospect of a trade war. just look at the components of the dow jones industrials. caterpillar. you've got mcdonald's. you've got boeing. these are all three, you have large cap stocks that are predicated their future growth on china. and now in the last 24 hours, all right, you have the first few -- if you like tariffs that were just basically a teaser from the chinese, but now they're saying you bring more tariffs in the united states and we will match you one for one. now, remember, we're now talking about the second largest economy in the world, with huge potential, that also invests vast sums of money in u.s. government bonds. this is not picking a fight with
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luxembourg. and the reality is that what the president is doing, what the administration is doing, however justified their complaints against china, they're now playing with dynamite. at some point, one of these sticks of dynamite is going to explode and this market, which is teetering at the moment because of its rise over the last two years, will take a firm fall. >> richard quest, alison kosik, appreciate it, thank you. president trump says u.s. troops may be leaving syria very son. cnn, however, has learned defense officials are working on a plan that is quite different than what the president is talking about. if you have medicare
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president trump is scheduled to meet with his national security council today just days after saying u.s. troops will leave syria very soon. defense officials say they have been working on plans to send more troops to syria.
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joining me now is retired rear admiral john kirby. so what is your take on this? we know there is a meeting today with the national security council, and this large disconnect between what we're hearing from the president and what defense officials are working on. >> today is a national security council meeting, which means the president will be presiding over it. they'll discuss syria policy and strategy. that's a healthy thing. you always want to dip your toe in that stream and see how your strategy is doing. i think the state department and the pentagon, i hope anyway, will have some tough words in terms of what they see as the potential prospects for a precipitous pullout of troops from syria in the very near future. the state department too is invested in this. the president is now threatening to hold up stabilization funds. this is money that the u.s. provides to local communities after isis has been kicked out that they need for security, for governance, for services. all that is really important to try to eliminate the ungoverned spaces in the safe havens that
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isis can find in syria. secretary mattis talked about the strategy not being one of attrition, which he blamed the obama administration for pursuing, one of annihilation. we're going to take isis completely off the map. not completely off the map. they have been severely damaged in syria and iraq, but they're still there. and they can still reconstitute if there is a precipitous pullout of u.s. troops anytime soon. >> as that gets worked out, there is a question about the messaging we see here, not just to the u.s. military but to the world, to the allies. in "the washington post," the final victory would send a number of clear messages that mass murder works, that use of chemical weapons works, that the starvation of civilians works that the rules of war and condemnation by the united states can be ignored with impunity and the slow motion betrayal of syria has sent a message to every refugee i met and every friend of our country, it can be dangerous to trust in america. is that what is at stake here?
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trust in this country? >> one thing is at stake, that's an eloquent way of putting it. that's one serious outcome of a continued sort of muddling syria policy and no clear direction on where we're going. look, i mean, syria was a mess before trump took office and the obama administration struggled to get things right as well. this say long-standiis a long-s. one thing i hope they do talk about today is a diplomatic strategy going forward. the u.s. troop presence there is all about getting rid of isis, never been about getting involved in the civil war and i think everybody understands and appreciates that. under president obama, what we did try was a very robust diplomatic process to try to get both sides of the conflict to the table and work out a peaceful, stable, future for syria that is decided by the syrian people. this administration, under president trump, has basically
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ignored that process altogether and handed over leadership of it to russia, who doesn't have the best interest of the syrian people at heart. what i really hope they talk about, in addition to troop presence and the counterisis fight is a path to get back on to some sort of political outcome and some sort of diplomatic future here, diplomatic process, to develop a better future for the syrian people. >> you brought up russia. i want to ask you quickly about this. president trump and vladimir putin, we heard, talked about a possible meeting at the white house. white house says it was a casual mention. is there any benefit that you see to the president and vladimir putin meeting state side in the u.s.? >> not right now. look, i'm always about bilateral discussions and the relationship has a long way to go, now is not the time for that. president putin is tastarting t feel the sting of his overreach with this chemical agent attack in the uk. the international community is
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aligned against him. many countries have expelled diplomats. he's starting to feel that pressure and that isolation in ways that he hasn't felt in many recent years. and i think it is important for him to continue to feel that. he's turning russia into a pariah state. against the will of many russians i would add. and now is not the right time for the president of the united states to reward him for this incredible criminal egregious behavior by sitting down and talking to him one on one. at some point, in the future, yes, but now is not the right time. >> rear admiral john kirby, appreciate your insight, thank you. >> thank you. oklahoma teachers ditching their classrooms to help their students. they are rallying at the state capitol again today. what they want next.
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hundreds of oklahoma teachers are protesting the state capitol right now. walking off the job for the second day in a row, prompting schools in oklahoma city and tulsa to shut their doors again. the teachers say they're doing it for their students. they want more funding for everything from textbooks to smaller classes. they're also asking for a $10,000 raise saying that $6100 pay hike approved last week simply doesn't pay their bills. the designer of the kansas water slide that killed a 10-year-old arrested. he's facing several charges including second degree murder, aggravated battery and endangering a child. in 2016, 10-year-old caleb schwab was killed when the raft he was riding down that slide went airborne. a recent indictment shows park officials knew about the issues with the ride and were aware other riders had been injured. it took more than 12 hours,
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100 firefighters, and sanitation workers, but they were able to free a 13-year-old los angeles boy and reunite him with his family. jesse hernandez was playing in griffith park when he fell and got stuck in a dense maze of sewer pipes. take a listen to him describe what happened. >> i was playing and i didn't see a little piece of wood and i stepped on it and i just fell down and the current took me. the tunnel started getting smaller. i stood up fast. >> the firefighters and sanitation crews worked through the night to pluck the teen to safety. a little bruised and scratches, but otherwise okay. happening now, at&t and time warner's $85 billion megamerger trial back in court. the justice department has argued if the merger is allowed, the new company would have more leverage in deals involving time
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warner content. joining me is hadas gold. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, erica. so on the stand now is a turner executive, turner owns cnn. and he's on the stand right now to talk about how turner negotiates with these distributors to get their content on air because these distributors, like your local cable company, negotiates with turner networks on how they carry -- how much they pay and how many networks they carry, networks like tnt, tbs. what the government is arguing that at&t awould have increased leverage over other distributors. the government lawyers are going through internal e-mails between turner executives and time warner executives about their negotiating tactics with past
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distributors trying to show they're always willing to go dark because they know they have leverage, especially over big events like march madness, which just happened, which is partly carried on turner networks, also shared with cbs. turner executives are pushing back and saying, listen, when we go dark, we lose millions of dollars. turner executive yesterday said when they went dark with dish in 2014, they lost $30 million in ad revenue for that month. it is not in their incentive to go dark on any sort of distributor and that's not something they would want to do even when owned by at&t because they say they would lose ad revenue and potentially be blamed by subscribers for going dark. the real question here is how the judge sees all of this. this is the bench trial, meaning the judge is the only one who would decide how this merger will affect the competitive landscape. at&t is arguing that they're now competing with places like facebook, google, amazon, netflix, saying people are switching off from cable, cord cutting and need this deal in order to innovate and to be more -- and to compete that this
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new marketplace. judge leon has a lot on his plate. he said the court decision could be upwards of 200 pages because he knows how viable it is. but it all comes down to him. >> we'll be watching for that. and for your continued coverage. thank you. villanova is victorious, new champion sits atop the college basketball championship. that's next. liberty mutual saved us almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. liberty did what?
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after a march full of upsets, it is a number one seed dominating in april. the villanova wildcats national champs once again. andy scholes is at the game in san antonio and joins us now with more. you know, you look pretty good for a man who probably hasn't slept yet. >> did not get a lot of sleep, erica. definitely worth it to be at the national championship game. i'll tell you what, villanova sure does love the state of texas. they won it all in houston a couple of years ago and they did it again last night here in san antonio. just the fourth team in the past 40 years to win two championships in a span of three years. michigan gave them all they could handle in the first half of this game, until red shirt sophomore daunte devincenzo came in off the bench, absolutely on fire. he usually averages 13 points a
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game. he had 18 in the first half alone. finished with 31, which was a record for a player off the bench in the championship game. villanova just rolled in the second half, beating michigan 79-62. i caught up after the game and asked him about his epic performance. >> how amazing is this moment right here? >> undescribable, honestly. we have been through so much, this team. a lot of ups and downs this year. we have competed every single day in practice. and we're going to share this for the rest of our life. >> just a moment you dreamt of since you were a kid? >> since i was born, honestly. the biggest thing for me is sharing this with these guys. >> reporter: this was the scene near campus at villanova, students taking to the streets, setting a couple of fires to celebrate their second national championship in three years. erica, there is something about philly fans when they see street poles after winning a national
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championship where they just want to climb them, and as you can see. that was happening again last night, just like after the eagles won the super bowl. >> andy scholes, appreciate it, thank you. thanks to all of you for joining us today. i'm erica hill. "at this hour" starts right now. hi there. i'm brianna keilar in for kate bolduan. we begin with a thunderous tuesday morning tweet storm. president trump blowing up social media with a flurry of posts, everything from the media and obama administration to amazon and immigration. here's one of those tweets. the big caravan of people from honduras coming across mexico and heading to our weak laws border had better be stopped before it gets there. cash cow nafta is in play as is foreign aid to honduras and the countries that allow this to happen. congress must act now. meantime, is the climate inside the white house changing f

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